Toon Zone Talkback - IFC picks up 'Basilisk' and 'Gunslinger Girl'; 'Haré+Guu' to FUN

[Space Cadet]

Haré+Guu on Funimation Channel (2006-09-20 11:11:35)
AN Entertainment has informed us that the Haré+Guu (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1140) TV series will be included on the Funimation Channel. Haré+Guu (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1140) is the first non-Funimation property (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/lexicon.php?id=70) to be announced for broadcast on their channel/block (Funimation distributes Haré+Guu (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1140) for AN Entertainment).

Source:http://www.animenewsnetwork.com


Wow, I didn't see this one coming. I thought it would come to CN or even Nick.

[Nobuyuki sama]

Mind-taking! (http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=2248109&postcount=94) :anime:

[Nobuyuki sama]

This is the talkback thread for IFC picks up 'Basilisk' and 'Gunslinger Girl'; 'Haré+Guu' to FUNimation Channel (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=12421).

Is it bad form to pimp your own news article? :sweat:

I don't think it's especially flattering, but "The Grind House" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grindhouse) might be an appropriate name for the block, depending on what else is included.


A grindhouse is an American term for a theater that showed exploitation films; it is also used as an adjective to describe the genre of films that played in such theatres. While just about any film that featured excessive sex or violence was typically shown at a grindhouse, the grindhouse genre encompasses films that were unacceptable by the terms of the mainstream: especially brutally violent films, films with bizarre or perverse plot points, etc. Frequent fare for such theatres were low-budget Chinese and Japanese movies, specifically kung-fu and samurai movies, which were known for being exceptionally bloody.

[Space Cadet]

Could a mod merge my Hare+Guu topic with this?

[Chrono1995]

Sucks to be Cartoon Network.

[Space Cadet]

Sucks to be Cartoon Network.

And Nickelodeon.

[livingfruitvirus]

And Nickelodeon.

Yeah I'm sure Nickelodeon is just shakin' in their boots over competition from IFC and The FUNimation Channel as they hire more people to count their millions. Not like Nick would've gotten any show. They're more interested in pushing their own brand than they are acquiring programming.

[Beat]

Nickelodeon doesn't give a crap. These weren't exactly kids shows that were lost.

CN however is probably feeling a few hits in the ol breadbasket.

[Chrono1995]

Nickelodeon doesn't give a crap. These weren't exactly kids shows that were lost.

CN however is probably feeling a few hits in the ol breadbasket.

Let's just hope CN doesn't lose BECK.

[Weatherman]

NS got it right.

NEver would have figured it though being that the Funi CHannel has such a limited exposure. I really though CN would take this one. It seemed perfect for their target in the later hours of the night.

Hmm, well, the Funi Channel is Digital only so far, maybe there would be a seccond licensing for basic cable? Nhh, I doubt it. Very strange choice, but I guess Funi offered the most money.

[Nobuyuki sama]

Very strange choice, but I guess Funi offered the most money.
The fact that FUNi distributes the DVD's for AN Entertainment also factors into the decision, I betcha'. ;)

[herbkir]

Cartoon Network/Adult Swim are available to 90 million homes. Both major satellite providers and most cable companies include CN/AS in their basic service tier. For someone trying to place new adult-level anime on TV, there's no other TV anime outlet that comes even close. So the spread of adult-level anime to channels like IFC shouldn't be worrisome to AS right now.

But it also depends on the resources a given channel is willing to devote to anime. Samurai 7 would have been perfect for AS, since it could have been run without content edits, offered a compelling but non-controversial adult-level story and was beautifully rendered. But AS got outbid by IFC.

Because of its storyline, I think Gunslinger Girl would have been dicey for AS, and I doubt they went after that particular property. Basilisk might have been more up AS' alley, giving them a chance to redeem the mistake they made in letting Kenshin go by. But they may have been outbid there, too, or just decided to devote their finite resources to a "name" show like Bleach, that promised better potential as a viewer draw. (^_*)

[Andrew T. Hingson]

It was no mistake to pass on Kenshin. In the end that show draw in 9-14 very strongly (though it hit a few bumps in the road).

None of these shows are easily Adult Swim material. Hare+Guu is just out there... but it'd be mighty fine next to Bo-Bobo I suppose. I would have rather had Basalisk than Trinity Blood though.

If CN does get outbid for BECK (or just doesn't want BECK) then I'll be sorely dissapointed (of course I mean for Adult Swim though).

[livingfruitvirus]

John "Ask John" Oppliger from AN Entertainment posted this.


Thanks to everyone for the support and encouragement. We did submit Guu to Adult Swim, but Adult Swim refused it, claiming that it was "too kiddy" (their words).

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[GWOtaku]

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Yeah, pretty much. Apparently kiddie shows are okay when they're retro junk played for nostalgic laughs, but not when its just silly and a serious attempt to be funny. :shrug:

[FlyByNite77]

Never expected Basilisk to have a chance at airing on Adult Swim, way too much semi-nudity in it.

Gunslinger Girl deals with young kid so that never would have made it either.

Now if Ergo Proxy or Blood+ ends up on IFC instead of Adult Swim then I'll be irked. Although Blood+ does have something occur which may mean it won't be considered... :shrug:

[livingfruitvirus]

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But I thought you didn't like kids' shows on Adult Swim, so you should be in agreement with their decision.

I think Hare+Guu would be a better fit on CN anyway. I doubt it would ever make a TV-14, and if it did, some minor editing could fix it.

[Beat]

I'd rather they went completely away from kids shows then pick and choose them.

[Conan-san]

And Nickelodeon. And Brittish!

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I've said my piece.

[Space Cadet]

Yeah, pretty much. Apparently kiddie shows are okay when they're retro junk played for nostalgic laughs, but not when its just silly and a serious attempt to be funny. :shrug:

But, it's not for AS. It's better off on general CN or Toonami(since Bobobo-bo is on there).

[Weatherman]

The fact that FUNi distributes the DVD's for AN Entertainment also factors into the decision, I betcha'. ;)

Probably. Means they have a business relationship already. Wouldn't stop another network offering more money from grabbing the show though.

[livingfruitvirus]

Hmm, well, the Funi Channel is Digital only so far, maybe there would be a seccond licensing for basic cable?

There isn't a digital only license. There's terrestrial market rights, and "out-of-market" rights, which is the term for cable broadcasting. There's also on demand rights and online streaming rights. Even if your channel has limited availability on cable, it does not weaken the exclusivity. That is, unless it was originally signed as non-exclusive, or the program is in syndication.

According to John over at his ANN post, it sounds like the FUNimation Channel broadcast is non-exclusive, since he's still asking people to bug Adult Swim.

[GrantM]

Quick question, just out of curiosity is IFC in basic cable or on premium cable

[Karl Olson]

Quick question, just out of curiosity is IFC in basic cable or on premium cable

Digital Cable for most people.

[GrantM]

Digital Cable for most people.

Where does digital cable fit in with basic and premium

[Karl Olson]

Where does digital cable fit in with basic and premium

Well, you're not paying for the individual channels like you do for premium, so consider it very extended basic cable. To put it another way, while you can get a basic cable or satellite package for 20-30 bucks a month, a digital cable package or satellite package that includes stuff like IFC is going to run 40-50 bucks a month or more.

[GrantM]

Well, you're not paying for the individual channels like you do for premium, so consider it very extended basic cable. To put it another way, while you can get a basic cable or satellite package for 20-30 bucks a month, a digital cable package or satellite package that includes stuff like IFC is going to run 40-50 bucks a month or more.

So is IFC able to get away with content that you see on the likes of HBO, Cinemax, etc?

[Ikwig]

Where does digital cable fit in with basic and premium

At least the way it looks on our cable channel line-up brochure, first there's basic, which is the major networks (a couple of each brand) plus a couple news/weather channels. It looks a lot like what you would get with no cable. :p

Premium takes basic and adds the most popular regular cable channels, like Nickelodeon, A&E, etc.

Digital comes next and adds many lesser known channels (like IFC, Disney, etc.) plus music only channels (basically a radio in your TV set) and On Demand (which is basically a video store in your TV - as long as they're actually "stocking" something you want to see :sweat: ).

And after that you get all the extra add-ons like the sports package or HBO.

So digital is more or less the highest level before you start paying for individual channels.


So is IFC able to get away with content that you see on the likes of HBO, Cinemax, etc?
I'm not exactly sure what their limitations are. Certainly they can get away with a lot more (in terms of nudity and violence) than a channel like CN or CC.

On topic, I am just not seeing the "Hare + Guu is a kid's show" argument. Yeah, the main protagonist is a kid, and yeah, it's very funny and weird, but a lot of the comedy comes from stuff you're only gonna get when you've lived little. Most of it would just go over kids' heads. In the great spectrum of "tv shows and the age levels to which they appeal", I would place it closer to FLCL than Bobobo. Adult Swim should've taken it, or else CN should have snagged for that half hour before AS starts. :shrug:

[Swordfish_II]

So is IFC able to get away with content that you see on the likes of HBO, Cinemax, etc? Their tagline is "tv. uncut."

[Weatherman]

There isn't a digital only license. There's terrestrial market rights, and "out-of-market" rights, which is the term for cable broadcasting. There's also on demand rights and online streaming rights. Even if your channel has limited availability on cable, it does not weaken the exclusivity. That is, unless it was originally signed as non-exclusive, or the program is in syndication.

According to John over at his ANN post, it sounds like the FUNimation Channel broadcast is non-exclusive, since he's still asking people to bug Adult Swim.

Ahh, ok. I figured it wouldn't be exclusive since the Funi Channel has a rather limited base right now. GOod score for them if they can get the word out.

Kiddy? Ummm, riiiiight. Has that guy ever WATCHED the show? The sheer volume of alcohol consumtion makes it very TV-14 all on its own. Or at least PG depending on hoiw strict one wants to be.

[FlyByNite77]

So is IFC able to get away with content that you see on the likes of HBO, Cinemax, etc?

Actually ANY cable channel could air movies unedited like HBO because the FCC has no jurisdiction over cable, Comedy Central did something like that with South Park and some other movies once and aired them unedited.

The reason why basic cable channels edit themselves is because of advertising. They need the revenue from commercials and I believe fear losing sponsors if they went unedited R-rating content.

There is also another theory that goes that the broadcast cable channels do it because they believe if they did go unedited that Congress would somehow try to step-in and put them under FCC jurisdiction.

I don't get the IFC, do they air commercials?
If they do I think the nature of the network and if they stated when it was formed that it would air movies unedited that would mean the advertiser problem wouldn't enter into things much since they know the type of channel it is.