CN prime time drops Naruto and switches up

[Andrew T. Hingson]

According to the 'ol back door schedule this is weekday prime time starting next Monday.

06:00 PM - Xiaolin Showdown
06:30 PM - Ed, Edd n Eddy
07:00 PM - New Episode Encores
07:30 PM - Foster's Home
08:00 PM - Billy and Mandy
08:30 PM - Ed, Edd n Eddy
09:00 PM - Camp Lazlo
09:30 PM - Foster's Home
10:00 PM - Codename: Kids Next Door

Yeah... no reason for me to watch CN PT now. And I'm freak'n sick of them dropping Naruto's weekday slot right after the first season aired AGAIN. At least there is Jetstream.

[Ykwia]

Isn't it airing at 10:30???

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Futurama is at 10:30PM and has been for quite some time now.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

I guess this makes "Sense" to Cartoon Network, who don't have as many slots to put Cartoon Cartoons since Tickle U is back in the mornings and want to revamp primetime to be more CC exclusive.

Except you know, Naruto is still the number one show on CN...

And you know that airing two shows twice in the span of four hours shows you care very little for variety

But hey, who tries to apply logic to CN Anymore?:(

On another note, anyone notice that the regular, non backdoor schedule to Cartoon Network sucks? It only shows you the week of episodes, and you can't check for when the showtimes are past that or which episodes of the show they're airing. What's up with that?

[Kagetsu]

:sad:Well, there goes the only reason to watch CN in the evenings. I taped the important ones this time because I got tired of tem dropping it. I still think putting shows like Lazlo and KND after 9:00pm is dumb.

Except you know, Naruto is still the number one show on CN... :eek: surprizes me, usually "the ratings" don't like shows I like.

I need that back link to CN, I'm tired of their regular flash page refusing to load :p

[RomanMack]

Actually, their normal scehdual page shuld be working now.

[William C. Maune]

Except you know, Naruto is still the number one show on CN...

Is it still the number 1 show on Cartoon Network? The Toonami run does well in the boys 6-11 demo, and especially in the boys 9-14/12-17 demos. However, in weekday primetime the kids (boys and girls) 6-11 demo is most important to Cartoon Network. I'm not sure we've heard much about Naruto's ratings in that category. They may very well be illogical, but we don't really have enough info one way or the other to jump to those statements.

[Peter Paltridge]

This is a blessing in disguise. I need the time to catch up on the most recent episodes!

[Bryan]

Other changes effective Monday, Sept. 18:

Weekdays
8:30AM Tom & Jerry (replaces Foster's)
9:00AM A Pup Named Scooby-Doo (replaces Baby Looney Tunes)
10:00AM Movie (replaces A Pup Named Scooby-Doo, Peppa Pig)
1:30PM-2:30PM Cartoon Cartoon Show (replaces Marathons)
2:30PM Ozzy & Drix (replaces Marathons)
3:00PM Codename: Kids Next Door (replaces Marathons)
3:30PM Xiaolin Showdown (replaces Marathons)

Weekends
3:30PM Xiaolin Showdown (replaces Ed, Edd 'n Eddy)

[Andrew T. Hingson]

3:30PM for XS now. Interesting... but it suits that slot really well so I was rather expecting it. Ozzy and Drix coming back seems a bit odd though... They couldn't come up with something better? Good for the Cartoon Cartoon show to get a mid afternoon slot I suppose.

So KND also has 3PM. Well I know they like to play it at least twice a day but they really should have a better transition show for Adult Swim. Shoot... even One Piece probably gets better teen ratings.

I say again it's idiotic for CN to dedicate 10PM to 6-11 ratings. They've got to warm up AS at least a little bit. Especially during the school year.

I don't imagine Naruto is the #1 show anymore but I'll bet it's still up there. But moving to 10PM earlier in Summer was the first sign that the weekday slot was in danger. They really should let it continue at 10PM though. It's a great warm-up for AS and can still get "sufficient" 6-11 ratings if not great ones.

[William C. Maune]

Why do they need to warm up to Adult Swim though? Weekday Cartoon Network primetime mainly targets kids 6-11 while Adult Swim mainly targets 18-34. They are two completely different demos. Advertisers aren't paying for any transition time and thus I doubt Cartoon Network really benefits from warming up to Adult Swim.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

It's incredibly stupid to go from a blantly 6-11 show to an adult show though. Especially that late at night. Advertisers aren't paying for transitions obviously but they could focus more on H/H advertising in the last half hour or hour of CN programing before Adult Swim. It makes a lot more sense for the ad revenue to aim programs at a more general audience at 10PM before Adult Swim because prime time teen shows are over by then.

Zatch Bell, Naruto, Bo-Bobo, One Piece, DBZ even Teen Titans. All work better for 10PM at this point and should be able to get good enough ratings in all the key demos to stick around there if they promote the slot.

I really hate when you defend CN's bonehead decisions. Sometimes they do make logical choices but shutting out Naruto already wouldn't be one of them.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

so its time for the usual end of summer action banishment? granted its only one show this year but its not really unexpected to me :confused:

[Dr.Pepper]

KND at ten???????!!!!!! That's so stupid. At least they are going to start to play it at three.

[FireStarterLE]

and the 6:30-7:30AM hour features

6:30 - TF Cybertron
7:00 - Static Shock

starting Monday the 25th (guess CTN will start picking up various shows KWB had)

[William C. Maune]

It's incredibly stupid to go from a blantly 6-11 show to an adult show though. Especially that late at night. Advertisers aren't paying for transitions obviously but they could focus more on H/H advertising in the last half hour or hour of CN programing before Adult Swim. It makes a lot more sense for the ad revenue to aim programs at a more general audience at 10PM before Adult Swim because prime time teen shows are over by then.

I don't think there are that many advertisers willing to buy general audience time for half an hour on an animation network though unfortunately.


I really hate when you defend CN's bonehead decisions. Sometimes they do make logical choices but shutting out Naruto already wouldn't be one of them.

And I "really hate" when you assume that your opinion must be correct and that of course you know better than anyone else. I'm just offering up alternatives. I'm not defending the network, I just don't think the same way you do. You think its "incredibly stupid" to not have a transition, I don't. Now let's get back to actually discussion instead of simply dismissing my argument as "defending CN's bonehead decisions."

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I'll be the first to say I'm not always right. But I do follow trends Chris. I would think it would be common sense to not go after soley 6-11 at 10PM when Prime Time television just got done with the teen shows. There's a reason why Nick starts NAN even before then. CN may believe they can capitalize on Nick not airing kids shows at that time but the kids would probably be more inclined to watch Fresh Prince of NAN or whatever than watch CN anyway.

You of course know how I am about schedules. I consider flow to be very important. KND into Futurama... that really leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I'm probably not the only one.

As for alternatives. It doesn't have to have a "transitional" show I suppose but a bit more action in prime time would be favorable. I'd settle for the CC show. Shoot... Static is at 7AM now? They could put that before Futurama for all I care. But KND is a poor choice. Not because it's a bad show, but because it really should have it's airings earlier than that to capitalize on kids ratings.

10PM SHOULD be used for boosting CN's overall average (not just 6-11) and also warming up for AS. Naruto worked really well for that. As did DBZ. And as far as comedy goes... the CC show worked fine for a while and could again but really something more like Duck Dodgers (weeps for it never returning) would be the best of all. Duck Dodgers followed by Futurama would be fantastic TV. Last summer CN seemed to get this concept with DBZ uncut pre-AS. It drew in good overall numbers as well as kids and got some 18-34 watching even before AS started. JLU could do the same and did in Toonami's case for warming up to Saturday ASA. Any time a good movie or most times when JLU was on the end of Toonami the Saturday AS average was up for 18-34 (among other demos I would figure but I have no evidence to back that up but AS just wants 18-34 anyway).

As it stands CN rarely seems to even be going for 9-14 recently. At the very least they should be going for that demo in pre-AS slots. And that extra flavor also helps wash down the redundancey of the rest of CN's line-up.

But CN has proven time and time again that putting 6-11 aimed shows pre-AS works for their purposes at least so I guess we all just have to bite the bullet on that one. Still the fact remains that the CN average was higher when they tried to get all the demos and not just 6-11 most of the time. And that my friend is why I will always believe going for 6-11 only is a bonehead decision.

[One Radical Dude]

The midday to early afternoon lineup is more surprising than Naruto being dropped from the 10 PM Eastern slot. The lineup looks a lot similar to earlier in the year. I never though we'd see Ozzy & Drix again.

[Shadow Blaziken]

Naruto swapped for KND? My sister's gonna be pissed.

[Kagetsu]

And I "really hate" when you assume that your opinion must be correct and that of course you know better than anyone else. I'm just offering up alternatives. I'm not defending the network, I just don't think the same way you do. You think its "incredibly stupid" to not have a transition, I don't. Now let's get back to actually discussion instead of simply dismissing my argument as "defending CN's bonehead decisions." I Tend to agree with Sketch
I'm sick and tired of having the only markets catered too being the "childish 6-11" and the gross college age of "sick sex" (though I really have no idea how to classify South Park nad Squidbillys and 12ozMouse.) They are popular in "ratings",,, but I can't but hope that people who can really relate to that stuff are not the general viewing population. my god that stuff is awful. It's about time for some good animation to appear more often, rather than easy crap that push other potential viewers away. If they're think "oh look, people like idiocy, because no one else is watching",,, idiocy is all they will offer.

[Ykwia]

And every network will continue to release idiotic shows and expect us to watch.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

You know what... I don't know why I even care. I've got plenty of other things to watch right now.

[William C. Maune]

I Tend to agree with Sketch
I'm sick and tired of having the only markets catered too being the "childish 6-11" and the gross college age of "sick sex" (though I really have no idea how to classify South Park nad Squidbillys and 12ozMouse.) They are popular in "ratings",,, but I can't but hope that people who can really relate to that stuff are not the general viewing population. my god that stuff is awful. It's about time for some good animation to appear more often, rather than easy crap that push other potential viewers away. If they're think "oh look, people like idiocy, because no one else is watching",,, idiocy is all they will offer.

For the record, I'd much rather watch Naruto at 10 (well, 9 PM for me) than Kids Next Door. I'm just trying to look at why changes like this happen.

[EscaflownePilot]

For better or worse, Maune's reasoning seems quite likely to me.

If transitional material isn't working, then that says that either there isn't enough of an audience in 9-14/12-17 to justify a 9-14 targeting show pre-AS, or even that there might be, but there are more advertisers willing and able to support 6-11 at that time than there are 9-14 advertisers.

Either way, they tried Naruto as a pre-AS show, and for whatever reason they decided they could do better with a strictly 6-11 show like KND. From there, it really doesn't matter whether that 6-11 show is something like KND, or something like Static Shock. Static might be more pre-AS worthy image-wise, but it still targets 6-11 which is all that's relevant to advertisers and as such, CN, so they might as well use a proven steady ratings giant like KND.

In other words, although Static might be a better lead-in in the sense that it can attract 6-11 as well as higher demos, nobody really gains anything by having those higher demos on-board if that's not what CN is selling the ad time for, just as AS doesn't gain anything from any leftover 9-14 Static or Naruto watchers who carry on to watch Futurama.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I'm more concerned with their decision that Naruto isn't doing well enough to hold on to even 10PM. Proof positive that the reason DBZ may have been such a big success was that they weren't focusing entirely on 6-11 on weekdays. Because of this Naruto stands far less of a chance of even scratching DBZ's success here and that's such a shame for Naruto because it certainly has that kind of potential.

[Kagetsu]

For the record, Well, yea, I can understand "devils advocate". The part I have trouble getting a hold of is their reasoning. Yea,,, ratings. :p But crimany, KND can't be worth runnin five times a day plus marathons. Even kids pluncked in front of the tv have to have limits, don't they? When they dropped Lyoko from the roster and the boards litterally cussed CN to the point of breaching the walls and burning it to the ground. It brought CN ad people to try to calmly explain that "they didn't want to run the show to death". Yet they will use up most of their day time for the big four, and run them every chance in the evening and night. Nick began Avatar tLA, to keep them at the forefront of tv animation, and they have as much (LASit) liveaction sitcoms as any kids channel, so their percentage of animation time is less. CN is moving more to a "one trick pony" with every re-schedule. They can't run good shows always,,, they just can't be creative enough to find that many. But to see yet another limited show superseded by a "constant run" borders on the obsene. :p

[Andrew T. Hingson]

KND isn't on very often actually. At least these days.

[Dr.Pepper]

KND isn't on very often actually. At least these days.
I agree

[tb4000]

Point blank, all they do is rerun Billy and Mandy, Squirrel Boy, Foster's, Gym Monkey in a constant loop. Every couple of months or so they take that weeknight 9/10pm slot and fill it with a show that hasn't aired in a while, or one of their shows that comes on maybe once a week on the weekend.

[Gokou Ruri]

I'm more concerned with their decision that Naruto isn't doing well enough to hold on to even 10PM. Proof positive that the reason DBZ may have been such a big success was that they weren't focusing entirely on 6-11 on weekdays. Because of this Naruto stands far less of a chance of even scratching DBZ's success here and that's such a shame for Naruto because it certainly has that kind of potential. For all we know DBZ's success is based on the sole fact it was one of the first big action anime to come over from Japan. If KND gets better ratings than Naruto in that slot, I don't see what's the point of debating it. Naruto apparently isn't doing as well as CN can do with KND so them replacing it is totally justifiable.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

For all we know DBZ's success is based on the sole fact it was one of the first big action anime to come over from Japan. If KND gets better ratings than Naruto in that slot, I don't see what's the point of debating it. Naruto apparently isn't doing as well as CN can do with KND so them replacing it is totally justifiable.

Naruto is CN's highest rated show.

Its about demographics.

And honestly, targetting 6-11 year olds at 10PM may not be the best strategy anyways.

[Pomegranate]

The decision to replace Naruto with KND at 10pm on weekdays is the worst one CN ever made ever since they got rid of SVES and decided to place Toonami only on Saturdays a few years ago. I hope Naruto really ends up on Adult Swim sometime in the future, because CN is destroying every anime and action-driven program they've ever acquired.

[RomanMack]

The decision to replace Naruto with KND at 10pm on weekdays is the worst one CN ever made ever since they got rid of SVES and decided to place Toonami only on Saturdays a few years ago. I hope Naruto really ends up on Adult Swim sometime in the future, because CN is destroying every anime and action-driven program they've ever acquired.Placing Naruto on Adult Swim would the dumbest decision... ever. Why would you want to put it there for?

[Pomegranate]

Placing Naruto on Adult Swim would the dumbest decision... ever. Why would you want to put it there for?

Adult Swim can easily air Naruto uncut and unaltered, unlike Craptoon Network, who hacks up every anime they've ever acquired, so why do you really believe placing Naruto on AS is a very insane decision to make? If Craptoon Network wanted some "kiddy" anime, then they should've bought Digimon(though it isn't really "kiddy" in it's original Japanese form), Beyblade and Medabots from Disney instead of Naruto.

[RomanMack]

But, umm... Naruto's barely edited. Have you've ever even seen the dub? It's even rated TV-PG v.

It's one of the best dubs in these times. Placing it on Adult Swim would make it unedited, yes, but it will also kill it's success. That's why it's a stupid decision.

Since, you know... Naruto is still a kids show. And since it's barely edited anyways, it might as well stay on CN. It's in no way a hack-job. I can't believe you even think it is.

And by the way, CN doesn't dub Naruto. Viz does. So they're responsible for the few edits it has.

[Space Cadet]

But, umm... Naruto's barely edited. Have you've ever even seen the dub? It's even rated TV-PG v.

It's one of the best dubs in these times. Placing it on Adult Swim would make it unedited, yes, but it will also kill it's success. That's why it's a stupid decision.

Since, you know... Naruto is still a kids show. And since it's barely edited anyways, it might as well stay on CN.

And by the way, CN doesn't dub Naruto. Viz does. So they're responsible for the few edits it has.


Emperor Merlin doesn't like Cartoon Network and thinks all anime should go to AS, so there is no point in telling him.

[RomanMack]

Emperor Merlin doesn't like Cartoon Network and thinks all anime should go to AS, so there is no point in telling him. Seems so. I mean... who can think Naruto's dub is a hack-job? Or even bad?

[Aelita]

I hate they took Naruto off b/c I have no way of watching it now. There are no eps on youtube just videos,so I just have to stick to watching it on Saturdays unless I can find a good deal on the dvd's on ebay.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Adult Swim can easily air Naruto uncut and unaltered, unlike Craptoon Network, who hacks up every anime they've ever acquired, so why do you really believe placing Naruto on AS is a very insane decision to make? If Craptoon Network wanted some "kiddy" anime, then they should've bought Digimon(though it isn't really "kiddy" in it's original Japanese form), Beyblade and Medabots from Disney instead of Naruto.

Cartoon Network (Toonami in particular) promotes and supports their anime far better than Adult Swim ever will. For this reason I believe no anime that could be edited to TV-PG should ever air on Adult Swim again. Naruto has a fantastic dub and more than acceptable editing so far. Sure Bleach is uncut but it's also on at freak'n 12:30AM after a bunch of stuff that isn't as good. And at least CN finished YYH (though in a crappy slot). Adult Swim just up and dropped Case Closed despite it's great 12-17 ratings (and surely dismall 18-34 ratings).

CN treats anime with respect and tries to make their anime as successful as they can (within reason) Adult Swim just airs it to fill space and because some of WS likes anime. It's crap that Toonami only airs on Saturday night and that 4kids' garbage is showing up on the block but despite this Toonami is still the best home for shonen anime and Adult Swim can go hang itself.

[Space Cadet]

Cartoon Network (Toonami in particular) promotes and supports their anime far better than Adult Swim ever will. For this reason I believe no anime that could be edited to TV-PG should ever air on Adult Swim again. Naruto has a fantastic dub and more than acceptable editing so far. Sure Bleach is uncut but it's also on at freak'n 12:30AM after a bunch of stuff that isn't as good. And at least CN finished YYH (though in a crappy slot). Adult Swim just up and dropped Case Closed despite it's great 12-17 ratings (and surely dismall 18-34 ratings).

CN treats anime with respect and tries to make their anime as successful as they can (within reason) Adult Swim just airs it to fill space and because some of WS likes anime. It's crap that Toonami only airs on Saturday night and that 4kids' garbage is showing up on the block but despite this Toonami is still the best home for shonen anime and Adult Swim can go hang itself.


And yet without AS, adult anime would be stuck on some digital cable station that 5 people get.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Well I get FUNimation's syndicate block so heh.

There certainly is a reason for AS anime. We wouldn't have Champloo, GitS or even Bebop without it and FMA would have had to had some SERIOUS editing to even scrape by on Toonami when FUNi brought it over (same goes for CC though now they could probably air it nearly uncut).

Adult Swim should be going after non-shonen though. Toonami is MADE FOR shonen anime. It has been since the days of DBZ's hype. No reason for it's kin to end up targeted at adults. Especially when Toonami can use TV-PG programing now (admitedly... I'd never want to see Bleach or Naruto with a Y7-FV rating).

[Space Cadet]

Adult Swim should be going after non-shonen though. Toonami is MADE FOR shonen anime. It has been since the days of DBZ's hype. No reason for it's kin to end up targeted at adults. Especially when Toonami can use TV-PG programing now (admitedly... I'd never want to see Bleach or Naruto with a Y7-FV rating).

Well, there aren't alot of non-shonen shows that aren't slow, overly violent or too niche to air on AS. And shonen shows can do well with adults. Look at Inuyasha. Nowadays, if the show came today, it probably would air on Toonami. Still, the show has always been AS' consistent anime ratings performer with adults.

[Pomegranate]

Emperor Merlin doesn't like Cartoon Network and thinks all anime should go to AS, so there is no point in telling him.

Even though I really hate CN right now, what you said here isn't all true. I only believe that anime and non-anime as well that are truly mature in their original forms should end up on Adult Swim or another adult outlet.

Also, I agree with Sketch about the need for anime on AS. I don't think CN or Disney could handle the likes of Samurai Champloo and FMA. If there weren't any anime on AS, then many anime fans would have to purchase extremely expensive digital cable and satellite TV services in order to catch their favorite adult anime on TV.

[RomanMack]

Even though I really hate CN right now, what you said here isn't all true. I only believe that anime and non-anime as well that are truly mature in their original forms should end up on Adult Swim or another adult outlet.

Also, I agree with Sketch about the need for anime on AS. I don't think CN or Disney could handle the likes of Samurai Champloo and FMA. If there weren't any anime on AS, then many anime fans would have to purchase extremely expensive digital cable and satellite TV services in order to catch their favorite adult anime on TV.Yeah. Adult Swim is perfect for anime like Bebop, Champloo, or GITS. But... Not really so for shows like Naruto or One Piece.

[Space Cadet]

Even though I really hate CN right now, what you said here isn't all true. I only believe that anime and non-anime as well that are truly mature in their original forms should end up on Adult Swim or another adult outlet.

Also, I agree with Sketch about the need for anime on AS. I don't think CN or Disney could handle the likes of Samurai Champloo and FMA. If there weren't any anime on AS, then many anime fans would have to purchase extremely expensive digital cable and satellite TV services in order to catch their favorite adult anime on TV.

That's fine. However, remember not all anime on television that is not airing on Adult Swim is butchered. Naruto isn't butchered. Gundam Wing wasn't butchered. Rurouni Kenshin wasn't butchered. At most, some of the Toonami shows were heavily edited, but not to the point of combining episodes.

[Jeff Harris]

(slightly distracted by the CN forums banner featuring a whole heap of characters that are no longer seen on the network [I'm looking at you Leonardo, Betty, and Rikochet])

I don't know why people are in such a tizzy over Naruto no longer airing at 10 PM (9 Central). I mean, there are better shows on at that timeslot anyway (my 10 PM ritual on weeknights goes RAW [though Studio 60 looks really good], SVU [or ECW if SVU's a repeat], Mindfreak, and MTV [though I will switch to Comedy Central once the new episodes of Drawn Together begin]). Plus, chances are that I've seen the episode already on Toonami. It'd be nice if Cartoon Network was really a well-rounded lineup, but they only have five shows they give a damn about, and looking at the primetime lineup, it shows.

I have a bigger problem with the dual airings of Foster's and the Eds myself. The 6:30 airing of Ed, Edd, and Eddy is pointless and doesn't mesh well with the preceeding programming on Miguzi. I'd rather see something at least action-oriented but tween-friendly in the slot. The Batman, which has over 39 episodes already in the can, would be alright for a four-night-a-week slot at 6:30 PM. Almost ten weeks of episodes can be seen before they return to rerun mode. Plus, dammit, I would like to see the three seasons on a daily basis before the world ends in a couple of hours.

As to the second airing of Foster's, here's a trick that has been successful in the past. Since Cartoon Network has no ambitions to bring back anything really good on their network in primetime (Looney Tunes, MGM shorts outside of Tom and Jerry, Popeye, and The Flintstones will be forever buried in a network that few people actually get), at least rework the first hour of primetime with what they have as The Cartoon Cartoons Show. That way, they could air the library of original cartoon shorts in a one-hour show. Plus, it'll keep the shows a little fresher. At 8, they could encore the new episodes from Fridays and follow that up with an hour of Foster's and Billy and Mandy (unless they have premiere episodes, then their shows could encore in those show's places while the encore slot could air whatever's new from the Saturday morning lineup).

At 9:30, I'd put in a Toonami premiere encore from the week; the Toonami Remix or something like that. Right now, at least half the shows on the block are new, and that's the equivalent of two hours. Perfect for weeknight consumption. 10 PM would be surrendered to Adult Swim because Cartoon Network has NO clue how to run it anymore in this "cartoons are just for kids" environment. Not that Adult Swim in the end-all and be-all in programming. They'd probably stick an extra half-hour of Family Guy there or something, just like they're doing at 10:30 with Futurama, but they'd be in control.

[Mr. Manager]

I mean, there are better shows on at that timeslot anyway (my 10 PM ritual on weeknights goes RAW [though Studio 60 looks really good], SVU [or ECW if SVU's a repeat], Mindfreak, and MTV [though I will switch to Comedy Central once the new episodes of Drawn Together begin]).
Oh definately. I'd much rather watch Punk'd or Laguna Beach than Naruto. That Pimp My Ride show is great as well![/sarcasm]
What do they show at that time? That Nick Cannon's Wild N' Out thing? That was okay, but I didn't love it or anything.

[Jeff Harris]

Oh definately. I'd much rather watch Punk'd or Laguna Beach than Naruto. That Pimp My Ride show is great as well![/sarcasm]
What do they show at that time? That Nick Cannon's Wild N' Out thing? That was okay, but I didn't love it or anything.MTV isn't the bastion for quality programming (they're the reason "reality shows" have become a permanent fixture [read: cheap programming] for television to this day) or anything (more often than not, I'd watch the two-headed dog known as MTV 2 than regular MTV any day), but Wild 'N Out is an a'ight show. It's kind of like a Russell Simmons' Whose Line Is It, Anyway? and has its moments.

Is it better than Naruto? Hell no, but more often than not, it'll be new whereas I've already seen Naruto. Maybe it's just me, but Naruto doesn't exactly have that "rerun" factor that if an episode comes on in a repeat, I have to definitely watch it again. Cartoon Network only have a few shows that are worth watching a second time around, and Naruto isn't one of them (unless you missed last week's episode). Much of the primetime isn't either.

[Zyzzybalubah]

I hate you Cartoon Network.... I noticed this switch when I was about to catch iNaruto, but nooo... There's apparently not enough CCs on the channel!

[Mr. Manager]

Maybe it's just me, but Naruto doesn't exactly have that "rerun" factor Watching it daily works better for me personally, because for about eight weeks, I missed Naruto. So with the weekday slots, not only am I able to check out episodes that I've missed, but in my personal opinion, it flows a lot better when watched daily rather than weekly. But that's just me.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Naruto is a good show for weekdays and it's the highest rated anime they've got so it makes sense to air the reruns on weekdays. Given that they never even got into much of season 2 in those two weekday runs (one at 9PM and one at 9:30PM).

I rather like the idea of encoring Toonami's premieres at 9:30PM but I think a weekday rerun slot for Naruto is also important.

Perhaps an hour with Naruto and an encore slot for the fresh episodes of Zatch Bell, Fantastic Four, Bo-Bobo and Naruto (yes Naruto twice for that night I guess). Or just the encore slot would suffice I suppose. I'd really much rather have Zatch, Naruto and Bo-Bobo in weekday prime time consistantly for a while but I know that's not about to happen.

I've also noticed Ben 10 is losing it's Miguzi slot. Perhaps it should replace 6:30 Eds (and then they could expand Miguzi if they wanted to but they probably wouldn't still).

[Jeff Harris]

Naruto is a good show for weekdays and it's the highest rated anime they've got so it makes sense to air the reruns on weekdays. Given that they never even got into much of season 2 in those two weekday runs (one at 9PM and one at 9:30PM).Nights. Weeknights. It's the English minor in me that nitpicks on things like that. It would be good for weeknights. However, there's a reason why it's the highest-rated anime series that I think a lot of folks are neglecting:

It surrounds itself with similar programming on Saturday nights.

Seriously, if a show's lead-in is a Camp Lazlo or a Billy and Mandy, you're not going to attract the same audiences. That's why action fails on weeknights. Its backup is always comedic shows. And Cartoon Network, in this incarnation, won't create connections with diverse programming.


I rather like the idea of encoring Toonami's premieres at 9:30PM but I think a weekday rerun slot for Naruto is also important.A weekday rerun slot for Naruto would be nice, but Cartoon Network is squeamish about putting non-comedic action in the daylight which is why it's limited to weeknights. That's where Naruto aired.


Perhaps an hour with Naruto and an encore slot for the fresh episodes of Zatch Bell, Fantastic Four, Bo-Bobo and Naruto (yes Naruto twice for that night I guess). Or just the encore slot would suffice I suppose. I'd really much rather have Zatch, Naruto and Bo-Bobo in weekday prime time consistantly for a while but I know that's not about to happen.Damn skippy. Cartoon Network, in this incarnation, will never air two action shows on primetime on weeknights. If they would, don't you think TMNT or The Batman would have been a better anchor of the primetime lineup rather than Ed, Edd, and Eddy?


I've also noticed Ben 10 is losing it's Miguzi slot. Perhaps it should replace 6:30 Eds (and then they could expand Miguzi if they wanted to but they probably wouldn't still).Expanding Miguzi by an hour actually makes sense, which means they won't do it. However, I was still scratching my head about why a show with a low episode count would be stripped to weekdays rather than a once-or-twice a week airing.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

TMNT would be boss but they never even once tried it in prime time and now they don't own it anymore.

The Batman would be alright at 6:30PM. Shoot it'd be alright at 9:30PM if they paired it with one other action show.

I actually don't think Naruto stuck out too much due to it having a lot of comedic elements but I would say Bo-Bobo, Zatch Bell or Shonen Jump's One Piece might suit the current PT line-up better. Bo-Bobo pre-AS would be fantastic of course.

Good grief man I'd settle for an earlier season of Pokemon at this point.

But if Naruto is ever going to be a break-out success then it needs a weeknight venue of some sort. Of course we can always dream of say an hour of Toonami permanently on weeknights Monday - Thursday (and maybe some time after CNF on Friday) but that's not about to happen.

Infact I wonder how Naruto on Miguzi might work out (bad idea putting a PG show on Miguzi obviously but it might yield interesting results). But that'd be the nail in the coffin for the difference between Toonami and Miguzi of course.

I give up man... We just need that Toonami channel. At least with that we could have Bo-bobo, Zatch Bell and Naruto every day (certainly more than once per day) along with some other shows we'll never see on CN again.