cartoons not given a chance

[trayguy]

I believe that many cartoons are not given a chance to thrive here. Toons such as GET ED,WITCH,AND OBAN STAR RACERS are not given a chance if they don't make money then they are canceled . I happened to like these programs and would wish that they woud continue for a longer period aof time. Even KIM POSSIBLE could go on for at least several more seasons if given a chance. I will be sending an email to DISNEY some time in the future to give them my opinion and ask them to try again to save these shows.

[JDWeil]

Kim Possible is due to begin new episodes later this month. Though I don't know exactly when.

[Wondergirl]

In the case of W.I.T.C.H... well, not a big fan, but the episodes I've seen are pretty well done and I agree that it should be given more time or a bigger push. Get Ed fell victim to one too many filler episodes. Make that twenty too many filler episodes. And Oban, well, Oban just isn't very good. But thank goodness Disney came to its senses and renewed KP.

[goddess_elli]

So this is KP's senior year. Brick should be off to college, and Jim and Tim are freshmen (how scary is that?). I'm assuming that this will pick up right after So the Drama. Sounds like it should be an interesting season.

But at the end of the season, I'd assume that Kim and Ron will graduate from hs. Are they going to end the series there? Or will there be a KP in college? I don't know if that would be a good idea...




As for Get Ed, I recently recorded all the episodes and then watched them straight and in order. (I recently had surgery and was bed bound...haha) I had always thought that there were a lot of filler episodes, but normally something was mentioned or forshadowed that adds to the story arc. The problem was that it was only a bare mention at times. So the storyline didn't progress as much. Especially in the second half of the season...things started to loose some momentum. Disney should give it another season. There's been lots of shows (cartoon or not) that had a horrible pilot or mediocre first season, and then exploded later in its lifespan. *shrugs*

[Kagetsu]

In the case of W.I.T.C.H... well, not a big fan, but the episodes I've seen are pretty well done and I agree that it should be given more time or a bigger push. Get Ed fell victim to one too many filler episodes. Make that twenty too many filler episodes. And Oban, well, Oban just isn't very good. But thank goodness Disney came to its senses and renewed KP. Wow, we would disagree on so many levels. ;)

Oban is one of the best character action shows to be made and has a following from the early two thousands when it was just a trailer at cons. But it's self defeating. After the final season at Oban, it's story line is done. I will certianly get the dvd if it ever appears,,, especially as it's the only I'll see the last season.

KP is great and I'm surprized they would think of letting it go,,, but sooner or later, they're going to be unable to comeup with new stories. I would like to be able to see all the reruns though.

Get Ed was great on an animation level,,, but true, it didn't have much structure to it's story.

This season, they gave Witch much more attention than when they first started. Why they haven't pushed it I'm not sure. I get the feeling that Disney isn't really interested in tv animation and would rather have shows like That's so Raven :shrug:.

I will be sending an email to DISNEY some time in the future to give them my opinion and ask them to try again to save these shows. To be fair, Oban and Witch haven't been cancelled, just all the animation shows were dumped by ABCFamily to make room for more 10 year old sitcoms (and who doesn't love that? :p ) Disney will use them at least awhile to bring in viewers for a toon channel only a select few can get so they can have more live kid sitcoms on their channel,,, which I can't get either.

An email won't do any good, they just get routed to a response bot. Real letters, a person has to open a read so they get more attention,,, and with enough, it could work, at least for Witch. :shrug:

[kirschy]

This season, they gave Witch much more attention than when they first started. Why they haven't pushed it I'm not sure. I get the feeling that Disney isn't really interested in tv animation and would rather have shows like That's so Raven :shrug:.
I think you just hit the nail on the head with why Disney is so lackluster about promoting shows like WITCH. They likely see animation as a secondary front, mainly focused on young children, for their programming. Animated shows that break that mold probably don't have as much appeal to disney since its not what they expect older children/teens to want to see companies.


An email won't do any good, they just get routed to a response bot. Real letters, a person has to open a read so they get more attention,,, and with enough, it could work, at least for Witch. :shrug:
Unfortunately that takes effort. And if anyone hates expending effort more than companies it would be fans. Then again that's one of the reasons why hardcopy letters have so much more value. The assumption is that for every person actually willing to expend the effort, 10 to 100 people agree but where too lazy to do anything.

[Erased Paper]

Kim Possible is due to begin new episodes later this month. Though I don't know exactly when.

Actually, early 2007.

[kzanth]

Bring back Fillmore!

[tucsoncoyote]

To Answer Trayguy's questions you really just have to do a little searching on this forum for Cartoons that died. but I'll let you in on a couple that didn't even make it to the TV Screen.

First up is perhaps Katbot. This Series was supposed to be on Disney this Fall, but it seems that Disney wanted too much artistic Creativity, that the creator of the Series actually pulled the plug. So shows Like The Buzz on Maggie and even The Replacelments came to be.

Then there's perhaps Disney's most Excellent Example of a show never getting born. That of Course was Team Atlantis. Team Atlantis was supposed to be the a series that dealt with a number of Mythos (Including the Atlantiean Mythos that was originally started in Atlantis: the Lost Empire. and in fact, there was even supposed to be a Gargoyles Crossover. But aftert Atlantis Failed at the Box Office, The Disney Pulled the Project after just 3 episodes had been animated. and we all know that it ended up with Atlantis 2: Milo's Return..

But One Mediocre Show (Katbot) and One Good Show idea (Team Atlantis ) were never really done. As for Filmore!? I agree they should have brought this show back after just 26 episodes.

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[Gokou Ruri]

Animated shows that break that mold probably don't have as much appeal to disney since its not what they expect older children/teens to want to see companies. Too be fair, their live action shows garner much better ratings between ages 3 to 18 than their animated stuff, so it's understandable.

[trayguy]

I am glad that there are people who are willing to talked about the subject here. I will admit I am a big fan of GET ED and am sad that it may not have another season. As for many of the other shows Kim Possible I am looking forward to its new season and would like to see it extended and maybe (horror of horrors) see Kim and Ron get married. W.i.t.c.H. is a show that should be renewed to contiue the storyline. Fillmore was cut way to early and could have lasted for several more seasons.Anyway if any here whats to inform Disney of keeping certain tv shows I think if you write them either by e mail or snail mail I do believe they would like your input on them.

[RedNinja84]

I was always disapointted Gargoyles was never picked up for another season. I also kept hearing there were going to be spinoffs but alas they were never made.:(

[kirschy]

Too be fair, their live action shows garner much better ratings between ages 3 to 18 than their animated stuff, so it's understandable.
I agree. Television companies will go with whatever gets them the highest ratings and the most money with the least investment. I don't really expect anything different from corporations. And neither should any of us really.

[Gokou Ruri]

It doesn't matter to me really. I think people should stop looking at what medium something is (animation, live action, book, comic) and just look at the show itself. There's no difference between live action and animation, as long as you enjoy the show.

[William C. Maune]

I'm not sure if Oban Star Racers was ever intended by its creators to be more than 26 episodes.

[I.R Joey]

Bring back Fillmore!

The man says with complete objectivity and without a hint of bias :p .

But seriously as I got to catch up on Filmore episodes earlier this year I realized even more that this show definately deserved every bit the chance that Kim Possible and The Proud Family got (they were developed around the same time I believe.) It was a smart show, with so clever writing, interesting mysteries and often fairly compelling motives for crime. What I thought was really cool was that often times Filmore and Ingrid (main charecters) weren't even the focus of the show. The real story were the dynamics between the suspects, and the two safety patrolers were just there to put the pieces together for the viewer. Very cool.

Some other great shows.
-Gargoyles: Definately could have gone on for more seasons. Though I was personally okay with the last episode of the Goliath Chronichles (that season had it's bright spots, and horrible spots) I'd kind of like to see where Greg might have headed with more animated episodes (there's the comic I know.)

-Weekenders: Fun show that could have used more episodes. Great voice work too.

-The Buzz on Maggie: This is the most recent one for me. I found the show to be hillarious, and for the life of me I don't know why it wasn't a huge success. It had a fun main charecter, above average flash animation, and a good voice cast. Another sad casualty I guess :( .

[NikD]

First up is perhaps Katbot. This Series was supposed to be on Disney this Fall, but it seems that Disney wanted too much artistic Creativity, that the creator of the Series actually pulled the plug.

But One Mediocre Show (Katbot) and One Good Show idea (Team Atlantis ) were never really done.

Actually, Disney vs. the creator of the series isn't the reason the show got killed. There were lotsa other things going on...

And it's hard to classify Katbot as mediocre if you didn't see it. From the scripts I read, the thing was really funny.

[tucsoncoyote]

I Highly doubt youll see Kim and Ron get Married (Not unless Kim Possible Runs for 7 - 8 seasons. Besides they're in High School (As Seniors, as Season 4 Opens), and in fact if you're read this news. then 4 Seasons is all Kim Possible is going to get (Again.. this is all up to the fans, but I would be satisified if Kim and Ron just Graduate from High School (After that, it's up to the fans to Decide where Kim and Ron go from there, but if the fans want more? They'll ask for it. after all Finishing High School is one Major Hurdle.. Then you got College (Either Junior College Followed by 4 year or straight into 4 year), then off to get a Job then if the conditions are right.. Then Marriage. (But I can tell you this... Marriage (And Having Kids) is usually the "Death Knell" for any show be it Live Action, or animated. Once you Marry off the Main Characters, Wrap it up and leave it at that..(That is again if the fans want to.) but I say Graduation is a great stopping point, but again..

It's all Up to the fans.

But Getting back on Track, I seriously think both Gargoyles and Even Filmore (let alone Buzz Lightyear of Star Command, really got shorted and the full potential never was realized..(and Team Atlantis? That's another one that never got the chance to Explore it's Mythos base. but heck, there's always the chance that Disney Might turn out better shows in the future, but I feel it's whatever the fans want. Because One day's Popular show, eventually becomes dull and Mundane (Need I mention the Simpsons here? 18 Seasons and it's old hat and Needs to be retired. Maybe the movie this next Summer will cap it all off).

but in the end, I say this. If Cartoons and Series are never given a chance, how will folks know whether or not the potential is there..(It's sort of like, if you don't experiment with shows and see what appeals to fans, you're not going to find out what is good (and you should keep) and what you need to toss out. (If it's horrible.)

so in Closing I feel that first they should try some of the ideas currently, failing that then take on new shows. but other then that? Not much else to say about this issue.

[quote=NikD]Actually, Disney vs. the creator of the series isn't the reason the show got killed. There were lotsa other things going on...

And it's hard to classify Katbot as mediocre if you didn't see it. From the scripts I read, the thing was really funny.

and it's this comment that comes back to the "Well if it was so good, why didn't they try it?" Question. After all Katbot could have been a show that could have been fairly well off but since they (Disney) Scrapped the project, how can they tell it would have succeeded (or flopped). Like I said, a program untried never will know it's fullest potential.

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[Camdon]

Bring back Fillmore!

Quoted for truth. That show was an awesome concept with some great execution. It really should have gotten some more episodes.