Best Wii-K Ever?

[Chad Bonin]

http://blogs.ign.com/Matt-IGN/2006/08/22/28830/

I'm betting, ten to one odds, that that is the big "September Wii Reveal Day".

[tb4000]

I think you mean "Wii-veal".

[K-S-O]

They blurred out a lot of the dialogue. Makes the event seem mysterious, doesn't it?

[Chad Bonin]

They blurred out a lot of the dialogue. Makes the event seem mysterious, doesn't it?
I'd wager that the blurred out stuff is simple crap like addresses and stuff.

[silverwings]

Well, I guess my first thought is how close is this to the TGS (which is also in September).

My second thought is that I'm not getting caught up in the hype for this, as I found the German convention 'news' not that... great. *shrugs*

[Noukon]

Yeah, that's got to be it. No more than two months out from the console's release, no less!

[Zyzzybalubah]

2 Days before my birthday! How convenient!

[RAINMAN]

Big N shows ben milking the media and fans for the past few months by not saying much about wii. One would think they were doing this on purpus. Or out of revenge?

[Conekiller]

They want to keep things a secretive as possible. They fear the competition might be able implement certain functions before release. (see: PS3's brand new motion sensing controll!)

By keeping as much info to themselves as close as possible to launch they're all but guaranteed to keep their unique features...unique. Of course once we get full disclosure, competition should no longer be able to copy for launch.

[Chad Bonin]

Okay, since we can assume this IS the big reveal, since the British version happens the following day, and since we're 10 days away...

What do you expect for Nintendo to announce?

Me?
- Price, packages.
- Microphone included in controller, or Mic add-on. To be announced with Karaoke Revolution Party or Mario Party Wii, or a sequel to Odama.
- Some exclusive, not really big, but notable. Like, "Katamari Collection" or "Jet Set Radio Future: The Next".
- A sequel to a franchise that has tons of fans, yet never sold that well. "Kid Icarus" or "Eternal Darkness", I'm looking at you.
- Surprise launch game!
- Wii version of faceplates. Come on, those big flat sides of the Wii are just screaming to have something on them.

[Mr Cat Dog]

I expect nothing on September 14th will be of any interest to me, as I will be looking out for the day after. Since many factors of the launch are different from region to region (DS Lite is a good example), a lot of the info from the US may not make it to the European launch (games especially, there will definitely be less launch games for Europe than North America and Japan). I'm not expecting as much, but I am expecting:

Date
Price
Launch Window games
Price for peripherals
Some surprises and hidden features

[silverwings]

I'm expecting:
-Launch date and price
-New games announced
-New footage of already announced games
-information on the VC (pricing, etc)
-information about WiiConnect24
-barebones outline of online plans

[Obi]

I will laugh and laugh if they reveal nothing.

[Mynd Hed]

- Microphone included in controller, or Mic add-on. To be announced with Karaoke Revolution Party or Mario Party Wii, or a sequel to Odama.

Y'know, while I'd tend to go with the consensus that some sort of mic peripheral is more or less inevitable (whether immediately or a year or two down the road), it occurs to me that building it directly into the controller would be remarkably awkward. Does anybody really want to have to raise the Freehand up to your mouth in order to speak into the mic? I'd much rather have a plug-in headset peripheral more like what's available for voice chat over Xbox Live.

[Chad Bonin]

I think you're thinking of a mic for a different reason. I'm thinking of a mic for games like Odama, Karaoke Revolution, Brain Age, etc. I think you're thinking of VoIP stuff, talking while you play Super Smash Bros. Brawl online.

[Mog]

Mynd does make a point though. I don't see myself using the controller mic while playing an online game. I'd desperately need a headset.

[Peter Paltridge]

Oh.....great. Best Buy had BETTER given me back a fixed computer tower by that time. I can't miss the brief reserve window!

[Mynd Hed]

I think you're thinking of a mic for a different reason. I'm thinking of a mic for games like Odama, Karaoke Revolution, Brain Age, etc. I think you're thinking of VoIP stuff, talking while you play Super Smash Bros. Brawl online.

But considering that you could easily use a VoIP style headset for all the same purposes for which you'd use a mic in Odama, Karaoake Revolution, Brain Age, Mario Party, etc., I'd rather have it all covered with the same peripheral.

[Chad Bonin]

But considering that you could easily use a VoIP style headset for all the same purposes for which you'd use a mic in Odama, Karaoake Revolution, Brain Age, Mario Party, etc., I'd rather have it all covered with the same peripheral.
In the Mario Party games that utilized microphone, I believe you had to pass it around for gameplay. Can't easily do that with a headset.

[Mynd Hed]

In the Mario Party games that utilized microphone, I believe you had to pass it around for gameplay. Can't easily do that with a headset.

Don't see why not. They're about the same size, a headset is just of a more irregular shape. Big deal. Especially considering that in Mario Party, you only had to pass it between minigames-- there were no games that required you to pass it in-game as I recall.

[Mikintosh]

Actually all of the multiplayer ones were in-game technically, but the game waited for the net person to say "Start" or whatever to begin their turn, so you'd have to time to pass it.

[RAINMAN]

I hope they announce more characters that are in brawl?

[.Automatisch]

The latest Wii mailbag at IGN... (http://wii.ign.com/mail/index.html) Some interesting stuff. The SD bay thing seems kind of an odd issue, though, since I'm not sure why devs would need access to the Wii SD libs if they have the filesystem of the storage via the internal storage in the first place, which would pretty much have to be the same.

[Chad Bonin]

Various IGN articles too numerous to link, but they're all on the front page...

The Mortal Kombat Armageddon crew think that the Wii is good enough to handle the powerful game, and would love to see the original MK games on the Virtual Console. This is possible, given that UMK3 is headed to the Live Arcade.
GT Pro Series, as announced earlier, will have a steering wheel attachment included. Produced by Thrustmaster, it seems to be just a shell where the Wiimote can be inserted (in NES-style), allowing the Wiimote to be turned like a real wheel. (It seems to be unnecessary to play the game, and is just to help simulate the driving). Thinking about getting Monster 4X4 and want the wheel? It comes with that game as well. Ubisoft seems fully supportive of the "Multiple Attachements" concept. Also, while the PS3's first box art has hit the web, a preliminary Wii one has hit for GT Pro Series (don't worry, it's nothing spectacular. Art, ESRB, company logo, and steering wheel logo. Given the headspace at the top, it's likely that that's where the Wii header will go)
Liked Crayon Shin Chan on Adult Swim? "Crayon Shin Chan Saikyou Kazoku Kasukabe King Wii."
Want more proof Ubisoft loves Nintendo? Make that eight launch titles, throwing "Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent" in the mix. No online mode, built off the GCN/PS2 build, but has Wiimote capabilities and hasn't had WiiConnect24 updates ruled out.

[.Automatisch]

My main concern is region-coding. I will be importing my Wii if they do decide to do so...

[H Guggs]

I will laugh and laugh if they reveal nothing.

That would be funny, but sad at the same time. STOP TEASING US NINTENDO!

[H Guggs]

snake']My main concern is region-coding. I will be importing my Wii if they do decide to do so...

I can't remember where I read it, but nintendo was thinking about making the Wii region free, because the DS was so successful that way

[.Automatisch]

I can't remember where I read it, but nintendo was thinking about making the Wii region free, because the DS was so successful that way

I hope that this is true.

[Artimus Gigan]

snake']I hope that this is true.
That would make the total count to 4

Since the PSP,DS, and PS3 are all region free

the 360 would be the only one then, and prehaps this would mean that eventually they'll do away with region coding entirely

[Chad Bonin]

That would make the total count to 4

Since the PSP,DS, and PS3 are all region free

the 360 would be the only one then, and prehaps this would mean that eventually they'll do away with region coding entirely
The Gameboy, Gameboy Color, and Gameboy Advance series of games were also region free, along with Neo Geo Pocket (Color), Virtual Boy, Neo Geo, and I believe Sega Genesis/Master System. Technically, Nintendo cartridge systems were "region free", despite not physically fitting in one another usually, except for the N64 (Honestly, I don't know much about it. Don't own any foreign N64 games)

[Artimus Gigan]

The Gameboy, Gameboy Color, and Gameboy Advance series of games were also region free, along with Neo Geo Pocket (Color), Virtual Boy, Neo Geo, and I believe Sega Genesis/Master System. Technically, Nintendo cartridge systems were "region free", despite not physically fitting in one another usually, except for the N64 (Honestly, I don't know much about it. Don't own any foreign N64 games)
I was talking about the upcoming generation...

[Chad Bonin]

PSP and DS are therfore not part of the "upcoming generation", given that they're not... um... upcoming systems? (Although, I do believe the 360 is in the commonly called "next generation", and Nintendo so wants to be part of "new generation" instead another, incremental generation)

With regards to the big Wiivelations to come, I'd be surprised if Nintendo ANNOUNCED Region Free gameplay.

Note I said "announced" and not "included". Announcing it makes it common knowledge, and thus would screw the pooch on a very tiny portion of sales (NOA wouldn't get sales from NCL sales of games), tucking it in without announcing it is just like, I dunno, a surprise. "Hey, we're region free! But if you screw something up because you can't read moonspeak, we didn't TELL you to do this."

[Artimus Gigan]

PSP and DS are therfore not part of the "upcoming generation", given that they're not... um... upcoming systems? (Although, I do believe the 360 is in the commonly called "next generation", and Nintendo so wants to be part of "new generation" instead another, incremental generation)

With regards to the big Wiivelations to come, I'd be surprised if Nintendo ANNOUNCED Region Free gameplay.

Note I said "announced" and not "included". Announcing it makes it common knowledge, and thus would screw the pooch on a very tiny portion of sales (NOA wouldn't get sales from NCL sales of games), tucking it in without announcing it is just like, I dunno, a surprise. "Hey, we're region free! But if you screw something up because you can't read moonspeak, we didn't TELL you to do this."
The PSP and the DS came after the GBA which was the last generation for handheld videogames

witht he PS3 and the Wii still set to be released, the next generation still fully isn't into swing

So I grouped the PS3,Wii,360,DS, and PSP as the next generation

[Chad Bonin]

More news, from IGN...

Nintendo may already be packaging Wiis. They're looking for 150 people.
Nintendo of Europe is heavily emphasizing their Wiiveal, which is one day after the US/Japan Wiiveals. K-k-k-killer combo?
Bust A Move Revolution has been announced.
Ecco The Dolphin, Toejam And Earl, Golden Axe, Columns, Altered Beast, Ristar, and Sonic The Hedgehog are all confirmed for the Virtual Console.Wii-day's almost here...

[.Automatisch]

If VC definitely doesn't have online, which I still doubt it would, then I'm not interested.

[Artimus Gigan]

More news, from IGN...

Nintendo may already be packaging Wiis. They're looking for 150 people.
Nintendo of Europe is heavily emphasizing their Wiiveal, which is one day after the US/Japan Wiiveals. K-k-k-killer combo?
Bust A Move Revolution has been announced.
Ecco The Dolphin, Toejam And Earl, Golden Axe, Columns, Altered Beast, Ristar, and Sonic The Hedgehog are all confirmed for the Virtual Console.Wii-day's almost here...
Eh the VC games already got re-issues already or in the case of TJ&E is getting a re-release(it's on the Sega Collection as unlockable IIRC)

So I'm wagering that we're alreayd going to see suff that's gotten re-issues already for the most part, I mean there's not alot of worthwhile games to go, that havn't been re-issued in some shape or form. And Foriegn games I'm doubting because of licence issues and such.

[Chad Bonin]

Eh the VC games already got re-issues already or in the case of TJ&E is getting a re-release(it's on the Sega Collection as unlockable IIRC)

So I'm wagering that we're alreayd going to see suff that's gotten re-issues already for the most part, I mean there's not alot of worthwhile games to go, that havn't been re-issued in some shape or form. And Foriegn games I'm doubting because of licence issues and such.
A Toejam and Earl fan, who hates every other game ever by Sega, wants to purchase it again for the Wii. He can buy a fictional Sega Collection for $30 on a disc to get Toejam, or he can spend four bucks.

You are not every gamer, and if the success of XBox Live Arcade is anything relatable, these games will sell.

[Artimus Gigan]

A Toejam and Earl fan, who hates every other game ever by Sega, wants to purchase it again for the Wii. He can buy a fictional Sega Collection for $30 on a disc to get Toejam, or he can spend four bucks.

You are not every gamer, and if the success of XBox Live Arcade is anything relatable, these games will sell.
I'm just saying that none of these re-issues are all that new in terms of availability

Ecco was released on the GBA as was Golden Axe and Altered Beast, and they're even getting re-issued again with the Sega Compilation

So essentialy it's just more of the same, it's got nothing sofar to distinguish it

[mammy2shoesfan]

I'm just saying that none of these re-issues are all that new in terms of availability

Ecco was released on the GBA as was Golden Axe and Altered Beast, and they're even getting re-issued again with the Sega Compilation

So essentialy it's just more of the same, it's got nothing sofar to distinguish it

Other than the fact that being released for he VC now. I don't usually buy compilation games and I no longer have a GBA and will not play play GBA games on my DS some of these games would be new to me and other people that might have never played the orignal or have or at least played the reissues.
Cool I just noticed somthing September 14 will make it 2 years since I joined Toonzone go me lol.

[Noukon]

I'm just saying that none of these re-issues are all that new in terms of availability

You're talking about well-known games that are more than a decade old. Of course they aren't "new" in terms of availability. I imagine there will be more obscure stuff down the line.

[Artimus Gigan]

You're talking about well-known games that are more than a decade old. Of course they aren't "new" in terms of availability. I imagine there will be more obscure stuff down the line.
Not technecly new, but in terms of re-issue apperances

[Chad Bonin]

Alright, so, that's Gigan's perspective. Which is completely off-base from the Nintendo and Sega perspective.

What's their perspective?

"Hm. Some people are going to be playing the Wii, who haven't played since the days of a Genesis and Super Nintendo. They most likely remember the fun that they had with Sonic The Hedgehog, but don't have any of our compilations or their old Genesis anymore. Well, maybe we can make a small profit here (and by small, we mean about 99.9% revenue from each purchase) by releasing the game on the Virtual Console".

[Artimus Gigan]

Alright, so, that's Gigan's perspective. Which is completely off-base from the Nintendo and Sega perspective.

What's their perspective?

"Hm. Some people are going to be playing the Wii, who haven't played since the days of a Genesis and Super Nintendo. They most likely remember the fun that they had with Sonic The Hedgehog, but don't have any of our compilations or their old Genesis anymore. Well, maybe we can make a small profit here (and by small, we mean about 99.9% revenue from each purchase) by releasing the game on the Virtual Console".
I really don't care who makes a profit on what or what demographic they're appealing to

I'm just saying they arn't adding anything to the re-issue pool as of yet

[William C. Maune]

Perhaps we can agree to disagree.

[Artimus Gigan]

Perhaps we can agree to disagree.
Or just agree that fondling sales figures and armchair business logic is useless

I really don't thinkt he Virtual Console is going to be a 1st tier feature since it's not a community like LIVE(which took a long time to be established), it's just a download service according to what has already been said about it.

I more or less care about what they plan to offer with new games for the system, I'm certainly not buying a Wii so I can primaerily play games that are well over a decade old.

[William C. Maune]

Or just agree that fondling sales figures and armchair business logic is useless

We can agree to that as well as it is something that probably all sides are guilty of to some extent.

Ultimately, we don't know a lot about the VC yet. Perhaps we'll learn more on Thursday. Otherwise, we should learn more within the next couple of months.

[Chad Bonin]

Or just agree that fondling sales figures and armchair business logic is useless

I really don't thinkt he Virtual Console is going to be a 1st tier feature since it's not a community like LIVE, it's just a download service according to what has already been said about it. Nintendo has not said it's (the Virtual Console) a community, but specifically compared it to "the game version of iTunes". iTunes is not a community, but simply a digital store.


I more or less care about what they plan to offer with new games for the system, I'm certainly not buying a Wii so I can primaerily play games that are well over a decade old. Okay, that's you. I understand that. You have these old games.

You are not the target audience for the retro aspect of the Virtual Console.

(I, myself, and a weird hybrid. I have Sonic 1 on Genesis, Dreamcast, PS2, and will DL it on Live Arcade and Virtual Console. If a game is good, I'll grab it as much as possible)

[Noukon]

Not technecly new, but in terms of re-issue apperances
Please don't bother arguing with me if you aren't going to respond to my actual point, which is that these are a handful of high-profile releases to kick off the service. The most popular titles are bound to be the first ones made available, and they're also the most likely to have been included in recent compilation releases. Down the line, I'm sure we'll see more obscure and interesting stuff available.

Plus, the idea of being able to buy just one of these games without having to drop the cash on a larger collection is still a valid positive.

[sdp]

as excited as I am I don't expect much,

price wouldn't surprise me if they go with 250 or 230, and release date I don't expect it until November. They are not apple the more time they take to announce release date the more time it'll take to come out, besides that EBgames book for stores says the wii for people to play won't arrive until late october/early november so it can't come out before the demo wii comes out...


of course it is Nintendo so they can have an uber surprise about in the show, i'm just that because of that people tend to overhype Nintendo announcements only to become dissapointed.

[Chad Bonin]

Man, it feels like I'm opening presents tomorrow.

[.Automatisch]

Sub-$200 = instant launch buy, but otherwise I'll wait 'til something like Smash comes along... I hate Prime, and I want real Metroid game instead of this FPA garbage. And Zelda should play fine, if not better on the GCN.

[William C. Maune]

So, any final predictions folks? Here's mine:

Price - $200
Included - System, 2 Wiimotes, Wii Sports

Separate VC Package - $20
Includes - 1 Classic Controller, X number of Coins

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I think $200 is the sweet spot, it keeps it distinctly cheaper than the 360 without appearing too cheap. Plus, every Nintendo console has been $200. Considering the "Wii" (we) name, I think they almost have to include two controllers, which will be nice. Finally, because they want this to be easily usable out of the box, Wii Sports (and Orchestra and whatever else it includes) will also be a pack-in.

I'd love to see the Classic Controller included, but I dunno if Nintendo will go that route for now. An additional, separate controller could confuse the people than Nintendo is trying to introduce to gaming and they probably want to keep it simple. I just hope Nintendo keeps the Classic Controller cheap. That way anyone who cares about it and who is already a gamer can easily get one.

As for a release date, I'm thinking a Sunday in late October.

[Mynd Hed]

So, any final predictions folks?

Sure, I'll bite.

Price: $200
Can't argue with history. Plus it's a nice round number, and a nice even $100 difference between it and the cheapest 360 package will look very nice to consumers.

Package: system + 1 Freehand w/ Nunchaku + A/V and power cables + ~$20 in Virtual Console coins
No matter what Nintendo's marketing spin is like lately, I can't remember the last time any system's basic package has launched with more than one controller, and I don't see that starting up again now. Especially since we have very little idea how the production cost of a Freehand compares to more traditional controllers.
However, at least a little bit of VC currency (is "coins" the official term now?) is a no-brainer, both as a gateway drug to get everyone with a credit card nickel-and-diming themselves on classic games and as a selling point that will cost Nintendo very little to include.

Release Date: November 5th
If we stick with the "Nintendo always launches on a Sunday" theory, this one seems most likely to me. It (very probably) beats the PS3 to the market and allows stores almost three weeks to replenish their stock before Thanksgiving weekend.
While I'd naturally like an October release date better, I don't think it's likely. When it comes down to the wire, electronics companies nearly always prefer to have more time to iron out launch wrinkles unless they've got a convincing reason to rush. This is doubly true when there's an online service to get up and running in addition to normal concerns of making sure stores have ample stock, etc.
For that matter, I wouldn't be surprised to see N announce a November 12th launch and then push it up a week, similar to what happened with the DS.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see a $250 package including an extra Freehand, some more VC currency, and a pack-in game. Besides Sports, likely inclusions are Super Mario Galaxy (assuming it's ready in time) and Metroid Prime 3.

[mammy2shoesfan]

So, any final predictions folks? Here's mine:

Price - $200
Included - System, 2 Wiimotes, Wii Sports

Separate VC Package - $20
Includes - 1 Classic Controller, X number of Coins

-------------

I think $200 is the sweet spot, it keeps it distinctly cheaper than the 360 without appearing too cheap. Plus, every Nintendo console has been $200. Considering the "Wii" (we) name, I think they almost have to include two controllers, which will be nice. Finally, because they want this to be easily usable out of the box, Wii Sports (and Orchestra and whatever else it includes) will also be a pack-in.

I'd love to see the Classic Controller included, but I dunno if Nintendo will go that route for now. An additional, separate controller could confuse the people than Nintendo is trying to introduce to gaming and they probably want to keep it simple. I just hope Nintendo keeps the Classic Controller cheap. That way anyone who cares about it and who is already a gamer can easily get one.

As for a release date, I'm thinking a Sunday in late October.

I hope they include the classic controller. I don't think they areally going to scare anyone away by packing in an extra controller. If they are confused they could just pick up the manual and read up on the hardware they just brought.

[peacebyanymeans]

Japan: October 12 - ¥22,000 ($188.12 USD, €148.45, £100.84)
US: October 15 - $174.99 (€138.09, £93.80)
Canada: October 15 - $199.99 ($178.52 USD, €140.88, £95.70)
Europe: October 20 - €150($190.08 USD, £101.89)
UK: October 20 - £99 ($184.68 USD, €145.74)
Australia: November 3 - $250 ($188.47 USD, €148.73, £101.03)

Includes (1) White or Black Wii console, (2) Remotes with Nunchaku attachment, and Wii Sports included.

High hoping, eh?

[Strollymonster]

My guess:

October 8
$200
Includes 1 Black/White Wii, 2 Wiimotes, 2 Nunchaku, 1 Wii Sports, AV/Power Cables.

I'm fairly certain they're going to find a way to get 2 Wiimotes in the base package, it only makes sense considering the i's in Wii are supposed to represent 2 people playing. I'm not sure that any of the VC stuff will be included, as I think a large portion of the "mainstream" won't take advantage of WiiConnect24 or the Virtual Console, at least not immediately. However, it's only a guess.

Does anyone know if where a guy could find a live webcast of any of these events?

[Chad Bonin]

Final guess...

Wii Core System- $199.95
Wii Console
Two Wiimotes (with AA batteries)
Two Nunchucks
Wii Sports
64MB SD Card
$20 equivalent in Virtual Console purchases
A/V and Power cables

Wii Action Pack- $249.95
Wii Console
Two Wiimotes (with rechargeable batteries)
Two Nunchucks
One Zapper
One VC Controller
Wii Sports
64MB SD Card
$30 equivalent in VC purchases
A/V and Power cables
Recharge Cable

[.Automatisch]

$229

Console
1 set of controllers
Compsite video cables
Wii Sports
Power adapter...

I don't expect much to be honest.

[veemonjosh]

Final guess...

Wii Core System- $199.95
Wii Console
Two Wiimotes (with AA batteries)
Two Nunchucks
Wii Sports
64MB SD Card
$20 equivalent in Virtual Console purchases
A/V and Power cables


I'm going with that as my final guess too.

[peacebyanymeans]

Click here for LIVE updates. (http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/10307/)

[Frank Castle]

I can't wait!:)

[William C. Maune]

If they are confused they could just pick up the manual and read up on the hardware they just brought.

Unfortunately, getting the average person to actually read an instruction manual seems to be a lot harder than it should be.

[Artimus Gigan]

I hope they will announce further games for the system, or atleast show signifigantly improved ones. As it stands now I only intend to buy Zelda
and/or Metroid Prime 3. Nothing much has spurred my intrest

I would like to know if they plan on a new Mario Kart, Starfox, Fire Emblem, and another Zelda so I don't play the waiting game like I did with the gamecube only to end up with hardly anything coming out for it.

Also a new Donkey Kong pLatformer in the style of DK64 but signifigantly improved and refined would also do it for me or another console Diddy Kong Racing game(I know the DS one is coming, but one isn't enough for Combat Racers, especialy since the racing aspect turns Mariokart on it's ear, now only if the DKR Battle mode would be like Mariokart battle mode)

[William C. Maune]

I believe a new Fire Emblem has previously been mentioned as being in the works. (Yea!)

[Artimus Gigan]

I believe a new Fire Emblem has previously been mentioned as being in the works. (Yea!)
I havn't seen anything of it, if anything they should really atleats show the Character designs or something solid and tangible to prove it's existance

[peacebyanymeans]

I havn't seen anything of it, if anything they should really atleats show the Character designs or something solid and tangible to prove it's existance
They showed a short 7 second video of Fire Emblem Wii at E3.

It didn't show any gameplay, but confirmed the title was in development.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xJV-dGAUQkw

[Artimus Gigan]

They showed a short 7 second video of Fire Emblem Wii at E3.

It didn't show any gameplay, but confirmed the title was in development.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xJV-dGAUQkw

Well that's something

I just hope it's out within a relative time after the launch and not years away

[peacebyanymeans]

9:40 AM: Conference is about to start. Get ready!

10:20 AM: The press are all inside now. There's a LOT of buzz in the air. If Nintendo don't announce date and price today, I think the Internet may implode. Stay tuned and keep refreshing for our live blog coverage.


- http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/10307/

(BTW, that's Japanese time, if your in EST time zone, just add 1 hour and change AM to PM or vice versa.)

[peacebyanymeans]

10:35 AM: The conference is starting a little later than expected. Expect more updates in the next 20 minutes or so.

[veemonjosh]

(BTW, that's Japanese time, if your in EST time zone, just add 1 hour and change AM to PM or vice versa.)

Wow, it's already 11:40? Cause, here (on the east coast) it's only 9:40 PM.

I think you mean SUBTRACT an hour and switch to PM.

[peacebyanymeans]

Wow, it's already 11:40? Cause, here (on the east coast) it's only 9:40 PM.

I think you mean SUBTRACT an hour and switch to PM.

It's 10:48 AM in Japan, not 11:48.

Sorry for the lack of me posting for the last 10 minutes, I was taking a shower.

Anyways:


10:38 AM: Conference has officially started! Iwata is here along with several other Nintendo big wigs from Japan. The speaker is introducing everyone. Iwata got up and took a bow.

10:40 AM: Still introducing the Nintendo reps present.


http://media.gwn.com/articles/wiipressbriefing/1.jpg

10:48 AM: Iwata is speaking now about PSP, PS2, DS, sales figures. So far no mention of the Wii. Of course, it makes sense they're getting the other stuff out of the way first.

- http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/10307/

[veemonjosh]

It's 10:48 AM in Japan, not 11:48.


You said the east coast has to add an hour, which would mean... never mind.

I knew it was 10:51.

[peacebyanymeans]

You said the east coast has to add an hour, which would mean... never mind.

I knew it was 10:51.

You fail at math!

lol, jk.

But anyways:

10:51 AM: Iwata is still talking about DS.

[veemonjosh]

10:51 AM: Iwata is still talking about DS.

Joshawacka: 10:51 AM: Iwata is still talking about DS.
Joshawacka: The guy sure loves his DS.
Yashouzoid: if that's how much he loves his DS, imagine how much he loves his Wii
Yashouzoid: and if that's how much he loves his Wii, imagine how much he loves his penis
Joshawacka: SEXUALLY.
Joshawacka: XD
Yashouzoid: Innuendo!
Yashouzoid: SEXUAL innuendo!



You fail at math!


See, I didn't know you meant add an hour from MY time. I thought you meant JAPANESE time.

Doh.

[peacebyanymeans]

Sorry guys! The above information is all false, as GWN was just posting updates from a conference earlier this year.

[Demonic Raven]

I was about to say something, too. Man, I was all excited about this as well. Apparently, the actual thing is not for a few hours....

[veemonjosh]

I... have no words to describe how pissed off I am by this...

SO I'M GONNA LET ME PIE RATES SHOW YOU!!!


http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j311/veemonjosh/angry.jpg

[peacebyanymeans]

Turns out the Japanese conference isn't until 2PM JPN, so it's a couple hours away... (1AM EST)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119152

Sorry for the confusion.

[peacebyanymeans]

I have some good news, though.

When ever the conference actually starts, it'll be here, live: http://www.irwebcasting.com/060914/01/

The text roughly translates as:

The Nintendo Co. corporation

Please Wait

[Frank Castle]

That was just plain mean.:(

[peacebyanymeans]

That was just plain mean.:(

I'm sorry. If I knew it was fake, I wouldn't have posted it... :(

[silverwings]

I have some good news, though.

When ever the conference actually starts, it'll be here, live: http://www.irwebcasting.com/060914/01/

The text roughly translates as:

The Nintendo Co. corporation

Please Wait

I'm assuming this will be in raw japanese, with no subtitles or anything like that, correct?

[veemonjosh]

I'm assuming this will be in raw japanese, with no subtitles or anything like that, correct?

Well, it is LIVE.

[peacebyanymeans]

I'm assuming this will be in raw japanese, with no subtitles or anything like that, correct?

Maybe. But if I recall correctly, for the TGS announcement last year, they had a translator speaking live, and the powerpoint translations next to the video.

I don't know what's going to happen this time.

[TheMecca]

Officially considered a
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/AnotherMecca/youveseenhim2.jpg
moment.

[Matthew Williams]

call the plumber, we have a leak:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/285027_nintendo14.html

[Chad Bonin]

call the plumber, we have a leak:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/285027_nintendo14.html
Hm. Part of me wants to call BS, because some other magazine announced the Apple iPhone at Tuesday's big Apple event... which there was none. Along with "$250" instead of "$249.95" or whatever...

[Mynd Hed]

I'm not sure that any of the VC stuff will be included, as I think a large portion of the "mainstream" won't take advantage of WiiConnect24 or the Virtual Console, at least not immediately. However, it's only a guess.

Yeah, but that's even more reason to include it-- if it gets a few people onto the VC who might not have otherwise, great. But if it doesn't, that means that they won't cash in their VC credit anyway, so there's no loss. It's a win either way.

[RAINMAN]

They better give us a new pounc out game.:mad:

[Eidan]

$250 for six year old technology? For $50 more bucks someone should just get a 360.

[BCVM22]

$250 for six year old technology? For $50 more bucks someone should just get a 360.

Six year old technology? What?

[InsaneZero]

There will be a photo channel that will allow users to use the Wii to display digital photographs on television.
There also will be an easy-to-use interactive news channel and weather channel.


Uh, say what? Okay, tell me exactly how they're going to get these digital photographs in the first place.

[Jmanunknown]

Gamespot is taking the news leak about the $250 price tag for thw Wii as being official.


http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157572.html

[.Automatisch]

Matt-IGN confirms it's real...

So I guess I won't be getting one 'til Smash or something better comes along... $250 is WAY too much. Zelda GCN FTW.

I guess Wii60 fails... I hate those guys anyways...

[Eidan]

Six year old technology? What?

Didn't you get the memo?

Wii= Gamecube with wand.

[Chad Bonin]

Didn't you get the memo?

Wii= Gamecube with wand.
Didn't you get the memo?
Gamecube= Barely five years old, and one-third the power.

EGM's claiming that NYT broke embargo. Nintendo should sue... and then make enough money to lower the price.

[Chad Bonin]

By the way, the original article was taken down. Either it was found to be fake, or they got in major trouble for embargo breaking.

[Demonic Raven]

$250 is damn good, considering it comes with Wii Sports. I had it pegged at $200 without Wii Sports, so this is close enough.

[Strollymonster]

I'm a bit disappointed, but one thing I haven't seen addressed is what all is getting packaged for that $250...if it includes 2 Wiimotes and 2 Nunchaku along with some kind of VC bonuses, I'd be okay with it.

As it is, I wish it was just a bit less, but I'll still end up getting it.

[InsaneZero]

Article's gone. All I get is a File Not Found now.

In any case:


Iwata gives prices for virtual console games! 500 yen for NES games, 800 yen for SNES games, 1000 yen for N64 games. Pay by credit card of Wii points card. Wii will play three MSX games

[Chad Bonin]

Honestly, I would not take the "$250, Nov. 19" article to heart.

Why?
It's been taken down.
You can't find the New York Times article.
It's full of generalities and already-knowns.

[Mynd Hed]

call the plumber, we have a leak:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/285027_nintendo14.html

Hmm... a search for "Nintendo" on the NY Times' site doesn't bring up that story, and your link went dead sometime within the last ten minutes or so. Seems fishy to me, but I guess we'll find out tomorrow.
They didn't claim anything too outrageous, but personally I wouldn't be surprised if they were couching speculation as confirmed fact, especially since no sources were cited; just a lot of language like "Nintendo will announce tomorrow." Well, if they'd told you that, then they ALREADY announced it, didn't they? And if they didn't, then you're just making stuff up! (-:

Edit: Chad beat me to it.

[InsaneZero]

Next notable Joystiq update.


>1:38 a.m. EST [update 7]: Famitsu reports 30 Nintendo games and 30 PC Engine/Megadrive (Turbo-Grafx/Genesis) games before end of year. Ten new virtual console games every month!

Oh, and here's a visual of the first update:
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2006/09/wii3.jpg

[Strollymonster]

I'd like to think that the NYC and Seattle articles are incorrect, but it was seemingly confirmed by IGN.

I'm not going to really close my mind to anything until the Nintendo event tomorrow/today anyways.

VC prices are reasonable. Roughly 5 bucks for NES, 8 for SNES, and 10 for N64.

[.Automatisch]

1:34 a.m. EST: [update 6] Iwata gives prices for virtual console games! 500 yen for NES games, 800 yen for SNES games, 1000 [typo corrected] yen for N64 games. Pay by credit card of Wii points card. Wii will play three MSX games (from Gemaga (http://gemaga.sbcr.jp/archives/2006/09/post_325.html)).

Eh... That pricing doesn't sound that bad on the N64 games, but the NES and SNES games... Wow.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

A couple dollars more then I hoped, but its good. I was hoping for more Virtual Console stuff at the start, but it should still work out good.

[InsaneZero]

1:55 p.m. [update 8]: And the other shoe drops. Famitsu is reporting a December 2 launch and 25,000 yen price for Japan
Uh... does that mean the US launch is before the Japan launch?

And for comparison:

25000 Yen is approx. 213 US dollars.

[Chad Bonin]

December 2nd for Japan, for roughly $212 US.

Yeah. Remember how the DS came out earlier in America?

It's MUCH MORE important for the Wii to win America early than Japan. We'll easily get the Wii before December in US.

[Strollymonster]

Uh... does that mean the US launch is before the Japan launch?

Zuh?

On one hand, this price would seem to refute the 250 price given already by NYT and others...on the other hand, this seems WAAAY too late. Although Thanksgiving is irrelevant to Japanese sales, I really didn't think they'd put it that late in the year...perhaps they're counting on the guaranteed shortage of Japanese PS3s to spur demand, but still...

[William C. Maune]

perhaps they're counting on the guaranteed shortage of Japanese PS3s to spur demand, but still...

Now that Japan will only see 100,000 PS3s at launch, that are over twice the cost of the Wii, I doubt Nintendo is as concerned with beating the launch date of the PS3.

[.Automatisch]

Now that Japan will only see 100,000 PS3s at launch, that are over twice the cost of the Wii, I doubt Nintendo is as concerned with beating the launch date of the PS3.

Like I said in that other PS3 thread, Japan is a dead zone for Sony this holiday season... The Wii is what Japan wants, so they really don't need to bother allocating units that would defnitely sell over here instead. At least if they sell those 100,000, they can claim to be "sold out".

[InsaneZero]

1:58 a.m. EST [update 9]: Nintendo will be posting a Japanese press release (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/news.html) momentarily and will have full text of Iwata's speech in about an hour. Also, wii.com (http://www.wii.com/) will go live in Japan in about an hour
Hmm, wii.com.

Oh, and the controller is set to be 3800 yen.

EDIT: Here's the press release! (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/news/060914.html)

This is what is included in the Wii package.

1 Wii system
1 Wii remote
1 Nunchuk controller
1 AC adaptor
1 AV cable
1 stand
1 support plate (?)
1 sensor bar
1 sensor bar stand
2 batteries (AA)

[Strollymonster]

It seems the Japanese price also includes tax, meaning that the true price is likely something like $200.

As for the controller, that means it'll probably end up being 30-35 in the US.

Curse you, silly yen system!

*can't wait for US annnouncement, so gets drunk on Skol and Diet Pepsi*

[InsaneZero]

More from the pipe.


2:09 a.m. EST [update 11]: Gemaga reports 3,800 yen cost for the remote, 1800 yen for the classic controller, and 1800 yen for the nunchuck attachment.


2:13 a.m. EST [update 12]: Famitsu reports 16 titles from ten publishers at launch. Cost of games: 4,800 yen to 6,800 yen. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess will cost 6,800 yen.

[Strollymonster]

Apparently, games will range from roughly 50-60 bucks, with TP costing 6800 Yen, so probably about $60 for the US.

Also, according to Gemaga, Wii Sports won't be a pack-in (at least for Japan) and will cost 4800 yen and include 5 sports (Baseball, Golf, Tennnis, for sure...maybe hockey/bowling will find their way in?)

[sdp]

i'm sure many are slight dissapointed, and while I am too I kind of expected it (like I posted earlier).


not that its been bad or anything i'm getting a wii no matter what.

[Strollymonster]

i'm sure many are slight dissapointed, and while I am too I kind of expected it (like I posted earlier).


not that its been bad or anything i'm getting a wii no matter what.

I don't think anyone should decide anything until we get the US conference in the morning...if anything has been demonstrated so far in these "console wars" it's that companies are approaching Japan and the US very differently.

[InsaneZero]

Take note: There will be another conference tomorrow, for the United States. All prices, packages, and/or dates announced for Japan might not apply overseas. We can only use this information as a rough estimation.

[William C. Maune]

Apparently, games will range from roughly 50-60 bucks, with TP costing 6800 Yen, so probably about $60 for the US.

I bet it will still be $50. Japan seems to generally have a lot more variations in game pricing than America.

[sdp]

true but a cheaper price and earlier release date would kill the sales of Wii for NOJ who would just import it, all we have is a lot more info to speculate on.

[.Automatisch]

I bet it will still be $50. Japan seems to generally have a lot more variations in game pricing than America.

JP games usually retail for ~$65, so that's not a concern.

[TnAdct1]

Right now, while I'm still interested in getting a Wii (and hopefully reserving one either today or tomorrow), the rumored price is causing me to wonder whether I should have this as a late birthday present or save it until Xmas, and if it is true that Wii comes out on Nov. 19th in the U.S., there's no way in Hell that I'm going to be able to wait all night at either Wal-Mart or another store to get it (due to me attending Anime USA that weekend).

However, we've only heard news about the Japanese release so far, hence there may be some big differences between that release and the U.S. press conference that is scheduled for later today.

[InsaneZero]

For anyone interested, wii.com (http://forums.toonzone.net/wii.com) is online.

Also, check out this neat little clip, which shows new footage of the games coming out for the Wii:

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/topics/wii_preview/movie/lineup.html

[.Automatisch]

Right now, while I'm still interested in getting a Wii (and hopefully reserving one either today or tomorrow), the rumored price is causing me to wonder whether I should have this as a late birthday present or save it until Xmas, and if it is true that Wii comes out on Nov. 19th in the U.S., there's no way in Hell that I'm going to be able to wait all night at either Wal-Mart or another store to get it (due to me attending Anime USA that weekend).

However, we've only heard news about the Japanese release so far, hence there may be some big differences between that release and the U.S. press conference that is scheduled for later today.
I have lost any interest in getting one for 2006... The price is just too much. I gladly paid $400 for a 360, and I'll pay $500-600 for a PS3 [not this year...]. But since the Wii controller doesn't really interest me, and I mainly just want to play some of my favorite franchises... I'll have to hold out 'til it gets to be 1/5 cheaper...

[sdp]

from ign, seems official

US Wii Price, Launch Date Revealed
The news we've all been waiting for.
by Kathleen Sanders and Matt Casamassina (http://wii.ign.com/email.html) http://media.ign.com/ign/images/readmyblog.gif (http://blogs.ign.com/Cookie-IGN/)

September 13, 2006 - Nintendo fans finally have a price and release date for the company's new generation console, Wii. The Big N is set to officially announce that the system will hit retail in North and South America for $250 on November 19. The New York Times published with the story and seems, in fact, to have beaten Nintendo Co. Ltd with the news.
Nintendo's Wii console will come packaged with one Wii remote, one nunchuck attachment, an AC adapter (http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732669p1.html#), an audio/video cable, a sensor bar, sensor bard stand, a Wii console stand and two batteries. The package will also come bundled with a copy of Wii Sports, a compilation sports game that best shows off the mechanics of the system's unique controller. Wii Sports features tennis, baseball, golf and previously unannounced bowling and boxing games. Nintendo said it would provide Wii owners with more than 25 unique games this year.
Wii's much talked-about Virtual Console download service, which enables gamers (http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732669p1.html#) to purchase classic games (http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732669p1.html#), will offer a library of some 30 titles when the system launches. Titles will include entries from the Mario, Zelda and Donkey Kong franchises, Nintendo said. Virtual Console games will cost between $5 and $10 each. Specifically, Nintendo Co. Ltd. announced that Virtual Console games would cost 500 yen ($5), 800 yen ($8) or 1,000 yen ($10); we're presuming these prices are for NES, SNES and N64 games respectively.
The Big N confirmed that it would charge $50 for its new Wii games, which is $10 cheaper than the cost of typical Xbox 360 titles. (Please note that this is First-Party games, prices have not been announced for Third-Part Wii games -- publishers are free to set their own prices on Wii titles.)
Nintendo Co. Ltd. revealed that Wii's various controllers would be available to buy separately at launch. The Wii remote will cost 3800 yen or about $40; the nunchuck 1800 yen or about $20 and the classic controller 1800 yen or about $20.
In a surprise announcement, Nintendo said that it wanted to make Wii a living room centerpiece by shipping the system with features outside of the videogame realm. Wil will include a photo channel, enabling users to display their digital photos through the console. It will also boast regularly updated news and weather channels. In addition, the system will ship with the Opera Web browser, enabling users to connect online.
Sony recently announced that it would ready 400,000 PS3s in North America and another 100,000 in Japan for the system's launch. Nintendo said it plans to ship 4 million Wii units worldwide by the end of the year.
Nintendo will launch Wii in Japan on December 2 of this year for 25,000 yen, it revealed. North America will get the system first.

[Strollymonster]

snake']I have lost any interest in getting one for 2006... The price is just too much. I gladly paid $400 for a 360, and I'll pay $500-600 for a PS3 [not this year...]. But since the Wii controller doesn't really interest me, and I mainly just want to play some of my favorite franchises... I'll have to hold out 'til it gets to be 1/5 cheaper...

Well, first off, we don't officially know the US price yet, being that we've only had some suspicious announcements from non-Nintendo sources. Secondly, are you really foolish enough to wait until the system costs $50 (in 2011) to get one? Really? I can understand not being interested in the controller...perhaps you simply wish to play games as you have always played them, through a standard pad input system. I can respect that, even if I disagree with it. Still, it's just a bit too early to declare that you don't think it's worth more than $50 for you.

And it's really hard to understand your thoughts that the Wii costs too much when you'd be willing to shell out $600 for a PS3 (which would undoubtedly be 700 with just the system and 1 game after taxes).

[.Automatisch]

Well, first off, we don't officially know the US price yet, being that we've only had some suspicious announcements from non-Nintendo sources. Secondly, are you really foolish enough to wait until the system costs $50 (in 2011) to get one? Really? I can understand not being interested in the controller...perhaps you simply wish to play games as you have always played them, through a standard pad input system. I can respect that, even if I disagree with it. Still, it's just a bit too early to declare that you don't think it's worth more than $50 for you.

And it's really hard to understand your thoughts that the Wii costs too much when you'd be willing to shell out $600 for a PS3 (which would undoubtedly be 700 with just the system and 1 game after taxes).
You misread my reply... I said 1/5 cheaper, not 1/5. AKA minus $50... AKA $200... And look at IGN/GS for confirmation of price.

Like I said, it doesn't have many things that interest me... I mainly just want to get Smash at this point, and possibly Mario if it turns out better than Sunshine. So, RIGHT NOW, it's not worth the money TO ME. How is that hard to understand?

I'm willing to pay the price for the PS3 not because I like Sony, not because I have any sort of personal interest in the company or brand name, but because it has games that interests me... Price is a factor, because I obviously don't like what I'd be getting for $250 with the Wii [again, at this point in time...]. By the time the first PS3 game I want drops, it will likely have a price cut because that is the only way they're going to compete with Nintendo in Japan and Microsoft in the EU/USA. But even still, those games are worth the full price now, whereas Zelda, which I can get for GCN, and Metroid Prime 3, of which I hate the Prime series but adore the classic Metroid games, I just don't feel the need to buy one. I'll be more interested in hearing what NOA has to say tomorrow...

[InsaneZero]

3:22 a.m. [update 27] WiiConnect24 (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/features/wiiconnect24.html) will feature a BBS-like message board system that can cross-post to and from cell phones, computers and other Wii consoles.

This is neat.

[.Automatisch]

This is neat.

Yea, it actually is... I wonder integrated it will be.

[Artimus Gigan]

Bah the wii includes stupid phoro feature
I care not to view the pimply faces of my yet to be sworn enemies

C'mon announce more games for the System, Nintendo!

[InsaneZero]

Bah the wii includes stupid phoro feature
I care not to view the pimply faces of my yet to be sworn enemies

C'mon announce more games for the System, Nintendo!
Speaking of announcements, here's the gamelist so far:

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/software/lineup/index.html

Hopefully, somebody would do a translation for us. :)

Additionally, here are the 24 publishers for the Virtual Console:

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/features/virtual_console.html

[.Automatisch]

Bah the wii includes stupid phoro feature
I care not to view the pimply faces of my yet to be sworn enemies

C'mon announce more games for the System, Nintendo!

At 3:35AM, that was hilarious.

[Artimus Gigan]

Speaking of announcements, here's the gamelist so far:

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/software/lineup/index.html

Hopefully, somebody would do a translation for us. :)

Additionally, here are the 24 publishers for the Virtual Console:

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/features/virtual_console.html
Allready a good many arn't hitting japan until late 2007

[.Automatisch]

Allready a good many arn't hitting japan until late 2007

Are there enough games coming out in Japan this year to cause MASSIVE DAMAGE to Sony?

[Artimus Gigan]

snake']Are there enough games coming out in Japan this year to cause MASSIVE DAMAGE to Sony?
Who knows

A good many are probably not even going to cross over to america

[.Automatisch]

Who knows

A good many are probably not even going to cross over to america

I expect many party games that never, ever end up in America. I hope.

[Artimus Gigan]

snake']I expect many party games that never, ever end up in America. I hope.
I just hope they don't flood us with mario spinoffs

[.Automatisch]

I just hope they don't flood us with mario spinoffs

Isn't it too late for that?

[Yash]

I'm not disappointed.

We still get the system first. We get an extra pack-in game that shows Wii's true capabilities. November 19th? No, I'm not disappointed about that either. All it means is more time for me to save up...

As long as Twilight Princess is at launch, I'm getting one.

[ShadowGUN]

Ouch, suck to be Sony right about now.

[Scirel]

This is the best news ever.

From now on, no one will ever be able to say nintendo makes its sstems "only for games" and the like. having its own news/weather channels and essentially being an computer?"games only" no more.

I`m still getting one though, because it has games I want to play.

iMO, I have no interest in wiisports. I hate sports games and I really would like a $200 version without it.

[Mog]

I'm waiting for SSBB to get a Wii. That video showed me nothing I like except for Wii sports.

Probably just the my Wii money and get a DS lite and some DS/PSP games.

[Artimus Gigan]

snake']Isn't it too late for that?
Thus far they've only announced Strikers 2

Also now we know that everyone's console is going to be a PC/Other media device in some shape or form

Now we wait and see who lives up to their promises

[peacebyanymeans]

Via Gamespot:

9:05 am EDT: Attendees are just starting to filter into the conference space and the show is set to begin soon.

9:15 am: The place is still filling up. Time to sheperd the nerd herd into their seats.

9:19 am: VP of marketing Perrin Kaplan has taken the stage to talk about the three near-simultaneous events in Tokyo, London, and here in New York. Now she's introducing the man everyone wants to hear from: newly anointed NOA president Reggie Fils-Aime.

- http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157575.html

[Keiichi]

The Artical in question is back up. $250 does'nt sound that bad but unless they have some must have games at launch I'm going to wait for SMG and SBB.

[peacebyanymeans]

9:23 am: The Regginator speaks! "The next step in gaming is bringing gaming back to the masses." Obviously it's working for them so far, if you'll notice the brain-training craze and the runaway popularity of the DS. Not surprisingly, those are exactly the products he's talking about now.

- http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157575.html

[peacebyanymeans]

9:27 am: Here comes the hard info--"One price, one configuration, one color." So there's only a white one (for now). The system will show up at 25,000 retail locations, so it probably won't be too hard to find one--especially since Reggie just promised 4 million units will be shipped globally by the end of calendar 2006, with the majority share going to North America.

- http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157575.html

NOTE: i'll be editing post for smaller info, but make new post for bigger news.

[Artimus Gigan]

The one thing I hope they do is give us a New Mario and Zelda mainline installation for a console that doesn't have 5 year gaps inbetween

even Square delivers Final Fantasy on a far more regular baisis

[peacebyanymeans]

9:29 am: But what's in the box? One Wii remote, one nunchuk both included. Don't forget about Wii Sports, the first pack-in game at launch since the SNES. Speaking of which, we're now seeing a demo of bowling, one of the games included in Wii Sports.

- http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157575.html

[Strollymonster]

So it would seem that the US package will have the system, cables, sensor bar, 1 wiimote, 1 nunchuck. Along with Wii Sports. That's actually a bit depressing to me, I'd really hoped they'd include at least 2 Wiimotes for the $250 price tag.

[Artimus Gigan]

Wii sports is a bargain quality game, If anything Zelda would have been the better pack-in

it's getting a Gamecube release and a Wii release, I thought it would have made more sense to pack it with the Wii

[peacebyanymeans]

9:32 am: Like almost every Wii game so far, you play bowling just like you would in real life: like you're throwing the ball for real. You can purportedly put some spin on it, too. We'll have a more detailed report later today.

9:32 am: And the final Wii Sports lineup is...tennis, golf, baseball, bowling, and boxing?! That's new. This should be interesting.

- http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157575.html

[peacebyanymeans]

9:35 am: Reggie's talking about the 25-game launch lineup, not surprisingly being led by The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. Excite Truck will also be out on day one. He makes much of the fact that this is the first Nintendo console to launch with a Zelda...though, admittedly, this Zelda was originally intended for the previous console.

9:39 am: Here's a random sampling of third-party games that will be out on day one: Call of Duty 3, Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Need for Speed: Carbon, Madden 07, Elebits, Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz, Rayman: Raving Rabbids, Splinter Cell: Double Agent.

- http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157575.html

[Strollymonster]

The best news I've heard so far is that the Sports includes Boxing, which means we're getting something Punch-Out-esque on Day 1.

[Artimus Gigan]

The best news I've heard so far is that the Sports includes Boxing, which means we're getting something Punch-Out-esque on Day 1.
The sports titles are all stripped down in temrs of movement, options, and such, WS Tennis for instance is essentialy pong.

[peacebyanymeans]

9:41 am: More details that we already knew: roughly 30 games by the end of the year, and all first-party games will be in at $49.99 or under. But here's somethin we haven't heard much about: "Wii Channels." Reggie says this idea is meant to expand the console's interface for all the members of the family.

- http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157575.html

[Strollymonster]

The sports titles are all stripped down in temrs of movement, options, and such, WS Tennis for instance is essentialy pong.

It's certainly not going to pass as a sim, but do you remember the original Punch-Out! ? It's not like that was a pinnacle of boxing reality, either. Essentially move and jab, which it looks like the Wii Sports version can do very well.

[peacebyanymeans]

9:44 am: Now we're getting slides of the Wii Channels interface, which lets you start up a Wii or GameCube disc, as well as hitting the "Wii Shop Channel" to buy older games for the Virtual Console (and look for Super Mario World and Super Mario 64 at launch). After launch, Nintendo is estimating around 10 new games a month to be available.

Surprisingly, full pricing details are here. NES games will be available for 500 Wii points, Super NES games for 800, and Nintendo 64 for 1,000. Wait, Wii what? Looks like they're taking the same tack as Microsoft: Consumers part with fake money more easily than real money. A 2000 Wii points card can be had at retail for $20.

9:46 am: Bill Trinen is showing off the "Mii" channel, which lets you create your cartoon-like avatar to represent yourself within games. To demonstrate the flexibility of the Mii character-creation utility--which lets you pick hair styles, skin color, facial features, and so on--Trinen is creating a rather, uh, loose interpretation of Samuel L. Jackson. After finishing the Mii, he's got it running around with pretty accurate Mii versions of Iwata and Miyamoto.

- http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157575.html?tag=breaking_news;link

(sorry for the delay! My computer lagged...)

[peacebyanymeans]

9:50 am: The second component of the Mii concept is transporting your Miis elsewhere, since they're stored on your remote. Head to a friend's house, play tennis with your controller, and you'll see your Mii pop right up in the game.

Now we're getting a demo of the photo channel, which is a pretty standard photo viewer. The most impressive thing here is how quickly Bill is navigating the photos with the Wii remote, which works like a mouse. You can also view videos through this thing, even adding mosaic effects or turning the video into a slide puzzle. That'll be handy for blurring out the faces of ex-girlfriends.

- http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157575.html?tag=breaking_news;link

[peacebyanymeans]

9:53 am: Reggie again with some more channels, like weather reports and news headlines (which are updated nonstop through WiiConnect 24 so you can read them anytime). A messaging service is also in place, letting you send messages to other users on the Wii or even to their cell phones (though Reggie didn't say exactly how this will work).

Finally, there's the Internet channel, which is basically just the Opera browser--which you'll need to cash in Wii points to purchase. But the Wii remote does seem uniquely suited to surfing the Web on your couch.

9:55 am: Reggie emphasizes the positioning of the Wii Channels interface for the casual, mainstream user. Makes a point of saying the point that the Channels interface will come up immediately, with no lengthy boot-up process to get in the way.

- http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157575.html?tag=breaking_news;link

[Keiichi]

http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/732/732707/live-from-new-york-20060914064954057-000.jpg

Here's a pic of the box.

[peacebyanymeans]

9:59 am: That's the end of today's scheduled programming. On with the Q&A!

Additional Wii remotes will be $39.99, separate from the nunchuk, which will be an additional $19.99.

Will the system have its own internal memory for photos and such? Kaplan says it will have some capacity for internal memory, but "most" of the storage will indeed be through SD card.

Of the 30 games promised by year's end, Kaplan says about half of those will be available at launch. Sounds like Zelda, Excite Truck, and Wii Sports are the only first-party ones, though.

- http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157575.html?tag=breaking_news;link

[peacebyanymeans]

GoNintendo says:

Zelda TP - Launches for GameCube on December 11th, Zelda for Wii first day

Wii connects through wifi or wired internet connection

Third party titles may be priced higher then 49.99, it is up to them. All first party games are widescreen

4 million units by Dec 31, 6 million by end of fiscal year in march

---

While first-party games are indeed $50 and under, third parties are--not surprisingly--free to set their own pricing on upcoming games.

Uh-oh. GameCube Twilight Princess now pushed back to December.

All first-party games and most (if not all) other Wii content will be capable of the 16:9 aspect ratio used by HDTVs, but will not be in high definition.

- http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157575.html?tag=breaking_news;link

[Strollymonster]

Arg, 60 bucks for an extra controller setup? You're breaking my balls, Nintendo.

One thing I'd still like confirmed...did they say anything about DVD Playback?

[Keiichi]

Question and Answer Session Begins

Q: How much are the remotes?
A: Wii remote is $39.99 and the nunchuck attachment is $19.99.
Q: What's up with Zelda for GameCube?
A: Zelda GameCube launches on December 11.
Q: What's the cost of accessing the Internet?
A: No cost through our system. You need an Internet connection at your home. Wii is Wi-Fi enabled.
Q: First-party games will be $49.99. Will third parties price at $59.99?
A: We encourage third parties to price appropriately.
Question about 16:9 games that can't be answered.
Q: Talk about integration between DS and Wii.
A: In the future we'll talk about that.
Q: Metroid Prime 3? A: 2007 game.

No MP3 til next year.

[peacebyanymeans]

GoNintendo:

The first online game in Japan is Pokemon Battle Revolution - in Japan at launch - US shortly after.


[!!!!]

[peacebyanymeans]

And that's it.

The U.S. conference is over.

RECAP:

Wii will be avaliable in America Nov 19th for $250. It'll include 1 Contoller, 1 Nunchuck and Wii Sports pack in. Only in White.

"Reggie just promised 4 million units will be shipped globally by the end of calendar 2006, with the majority share going to North America"

Wii Sports includes: tennis, golf, baseball, bowling, and boxing

25 titles at launch including Zelda and Excitetruck.

Thrid party launch titles include: Call of Duty 3, Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Need for Speed: Carbon, Madden 07, Elebits, Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz, Rayman: Raving Rabbids, Splinter Cell: Double Agent.

All first party games for $50.

Nintendo using point system, with 1000 pts = $10

NES games will be available for 500 Wii points, Super NES games for 800, and Nintendo 64 for 1,000.

Will include Mii Channel "which lets you create your cartoon-like avatar to represent yourself within games. To demonstrate the flexibility of the Mii character-creation utility--which lets you pick hair styles, skin color, facial features, and so on"

"The second component of the Mii concept is transporting your Miis elsewhere, since they're stored on your remote. Head to a friend's house, play tennis with your controller, and you'll see your Mii pop right up in the game."

You can upload Photos via SD card and edit them and such on Wii

Other channels include "weather reports and news headlines (which are updated nonstop through WiiConnect 24 so you can read them anytime). A messaging service is also in place, letting you send messages to other users on the Wii or even to their cell phones (though Reggie didn't say exactly how this will work)."

"Finally, there's the Internet channel, which is basically just the Opera browser--which you'll need to cash in Wii points to purchase. But the Wii remote does seem uniquely suited to surfing the Web on your couch."

"Additional Wii remotes will be $39.99, separate from the nunchuk, which will be an additional $19.99."

Photos can use internal storage, but mostly just SD cards

Wii connects through wifi or wired internet connection

Zelda available at launch for Wii, 12/11 for GCN

"All first-party games and most (if not all) other Wii content will be capable of the 16:9 aspect ratio used by HDTVs, but will not be in high definition."

Metroid will come out in 2007

"The first online game in Japan is Pokemon Battle Revolution - in Japan at launch - US shortly after."

And an added something: 2000 points in Canadian is $24.
---


And there you go...

[Conekiller]

Region free?! :crying:

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Not bad Nintendo but not quite as good as I was hoping. I mean the 60 bucks thing for controllers is rough. I guess they had to screw us somewhere to make this more profitable to them. The pricing system for the VC is decent enough but I'd rather pay in cash to get the game not to get the means to get the game. No Metroid at launch is a drag but rather expected.

All and all... I don't think I'll have the extra money to get this at launch but come Smash time, I'm gonna be loving this thing.

[Keiichi]

Region free?!

NOA: Sorry kid no Japanese games for you!

But really I'm a little disapointed that Zelda GC is pushed back til Dec. Though they'll be plenty of other games to keep me occupied.

[peacebyanymeans]

There may still be hope!


"Earlier this year IGN asked the burning question... 'The DS has been an overwhelming success. Are you looking into using the same fundamentals -- like, for instance, its region-free standard -- for Wii?'"

And some background: Perrin Kaplan, v.p. of marketing and corporate communications, Nintendo of America, "Clearly, the success of Nintendo DS has offered a lot of lessons about what works in the marketplace -- and we certainly intend to keep our fans satisfied. For the Wii system, we are finalizing all the relevant details and will be making announcements in the coming months. We will share a lot of ways people can play globally, regionally, without boundaries. You're right that the region-free approach has proved to be a successful and attractive feature for Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection on Nintendo DS -- we have even blown the doors off our own anticipated numbers!"

[Artimus Gigan]

The launch line-up looks rather bleak

ports and licenced games make up the majority

Metal Slug Anthology isn't a Wii exclusive either

I think I'm just going to get Zelda, Trauma Center really didn't win me over when it was on the DS.

also Zelda got delayed again in a way, yeeesh

[Chad Bonin]

Let's see...

Wii with WiiSports, One Wiimote, One Nunchuck = $203.
Trauma Center = $41.
Zelda = $41
Excite Truck = $41
Red Steel = $41
Extra Wiimote and Nunchuck = $49

Looks like Nintendo's getting $450-ish of my money on November 19th.

(Gotta love discounts)

[silverwings]

$250 is about where I expected it to be, especially with a packed in game.

I'm disappointed that there aren't two wiimotes in the package, but I'll live.

I'll be getting this at or near launch (though probably in Decemeber once I finish this semester) and there will be plenty of games out by then. It'll just be a matter of picking and choosing. :)

Any word on friend-codes? Will we still need them? :confused:

[sdp]

hate to say it but 'I' told you so ;)

I always wanted a green wii, then I made up my mind I preferred white out of the white/black colors but lately the black started growing on me, oh well white it is, (though the edition I definately want is the NES one) http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j78/gigametroid99/retrorevolution.jpg



for the controllers man $60 is a lot (but isn't it kind of standard price for controllers?) i'm saying 60 since the nunchuk isn't just some accesory like a rumble pak i'm betting most games will use it. I just hope the VC controller is 20 and they don't screw us making it 30...for me one controller, one VC controller and one gamecube controller will be enough though.

again dissapointed at the price but I expected it, I do like the pack-in wii title because I really wanted that game however I would have never bought it on my own. no free VC points? oh well, I also think calling it 'points' instead of money might be a way to get consumers not know they are charging more without it being a big deal...


for launch all I"m getting is a Wii, Zelda and probably Monkey Ball, and I guess an SD card (how much are they?) and a 20$ VC points (mostly for future use)


edit: I wonder how much the Opera browser will be if its a few bucks i'd do it surfing on there would be cool, though how does it work with things like spyware/virus? I don't want my wii infested with that..
wish they had talked more about stuff like Gamecube controller compatability or whatever..

[Chad Bonin]

I want to point out, to curb potential misinformation, that the "NES Wii" in the post above is not a real version.

I like how they added MSX support (Metal Gear on the Wii?). And some new Wii games were snuck announced...

Big Brain Academy, The Dog Island, downloadable Mario Bros (original), Zelda: LTTP, and some Donkey Kong.

Opera has to be bought.

[Artimus Gigan]

I just hope that Twilight Princess isn't some short adventure that can be beaten within a few days

I also hope it doesn't have crappy tedious sidequests like in Windwaker

If anything I hope it's atleast 50 hours for the main game and has side quests to extend the length.

I swear if there's 3 or 4 tiny dungeons for the whole game, I'll scream because this game has taken years to come out and has been delayed for the umpteenth time before now.

[sdp]

well its Zelda...its expected to be delayed, plus hasn't it been confirmed that the game is LONG?

[Artimus Gigan]

well its Zelda...its expected to be delayed, plus hasn't it been confirmed that the game is LONG?
Wind Waker was originally supposed to have more dungeons, but they cut them well into the process IIRC.

November is a few months away, if they pull a "OH NOES GAMEZ R TO HARD WE MUST MAKE IT SIMPLE" thing for Zelda and having no other 1st party adventure based games around, it's going to be a pain to wait

[Chad Bonin]

IGN confirms that DVD playback has been dropped. Oh well, it's not like I don't currently have three things IN MY VERY ROOM that can play DVDs.

More new games?
Devil Kings
Forever Blue (Oh, if it was called "Forever Red", my internet would have exploded)
Wing Island
Pokemon Battle Revolution (Well, newishly announced)
Starting Out With Wii (Billiards, Shooting, Table Tennis, Air Hockey, Quiz, Fishing, and a few more: WII REMOTE INCLUDED)

I might actually hold off on getting an extra Wiimote, if Nintendo comes out with "Starting Out With Wii" in America with an extra Wiimote.

[Artimus Gigan]

IGN confirms that DVD playback has been dropped. Oh well, it's not like I don't currently have three things IN MY VERY ROOM that can play DVDs.

More new games?
Devil Kings
Forever Blue (Oh, if it was called "Forever Red", my internet would have exploded)
Wing Island
Pokemon Battle Revolution (Well, newishly announced)
Starting Out With Wii (Billiards, Shooting, Table Tennis, Air Hockey, Quiz, Fishing, and a few more: WII REMOTE INCLUDED)

I might actually hold off on getting an extra Wiimote, if Nintendo comes out with "Starting Out With Wii" in America with an extra Wiimote.
Devil Kings is a PS2 game, unless it's a new installation

[Chad Bonin]

Devil Kings is a PS2 game, unless it's a new installation
Go logic!

The IGN article announces this new Devil Kings will be released for the PS2 and Wii.

[Artimus Gigan]

Go logic!

The IGN article announces this new Devil Kings will be released for the PS2 and Wii.
Eh so it's another port

I just hope they fix the combat this time, and they need to especialy fix that stupid camera

Then again it was just a Dynasty Warriors clone the first time, so prehaps they'll add more stuff to differentiate it

[sdp]

yea I was never going to pay to have my wii play dvds, funny how they took that feature away in the gamecube as well at the end.

Starting Out With Wii (Billiards, Shooting, Table Tennis, Air Hockey, Quiz, Fishing, and a few more: WII REMOTE INCLUDED)

wow, I hope that comes out here...

[Artimus Gigan]

If anything I want more Sega Fishing games on the Wii, I enjoyed that aspect when the Dreamcast was around

[SirLemming]

I was expecting a price a bit more... revolutionary (bwahaha), but it's reasonable, assuming some good pack-in stuff. The controller prices, on the other hand, are brutal.

[Chad Bonin]

If anything I want more Sega Fishing games on the Wii, I enjoyed that aspect when the Dreamcast was around

Well, hell, there's already three announced ways to fish on the Wii (Zelda, Starting Out With Wii, and then some full game by Bandai/Namco, I believe).

You know, if Nintendo decides to offer DVD playback later, it could be something we purchase from the Virtual Console.

[Artimus Gigan]

Well, hell, there's already three announced ways to fish on the Wii (Zelda, Starting Out With Wii, and then some full game by Bandai/Namco, I believe).

You know, if Nintendo decides to offer DVD playback later, it could be something we purchase from the Virtual Console.
Zelda fishing really isn't the same as actual fishing games

Hell monster hunter freedom allows you to fish, but it's not the same as games based primarily around fishing

I also wouldn't really cite the "Getting Started" pack either, it seems to be along the lines of Wii Sports, which is more of a tech demo than anything

The Bandai/Namco could be interesting however

[Behonkiss]

I just hope that Twilight Princess isn't some short adventure that can be beaten within a few days

I also hope it doesn't have crappy tedious sidequests like in Windwaker

If anything I hope it's atleast 50 hours for the main game and has side quests to extend the length.

I swear if there's 3 or 4 tiny dungeons for the whole game, I'll scream because this game has taken years to come out and has been delayed for the umpteenth time before now.

Nintendo has said many times that they are aware Wind Waker was rushed and they have been taking their time with Twilight Princess to make sure it's very fleshed out. Apparently it will be the longest Zelda ever.

[Artimus Gigan]

Nintendo has said many times that they are aware Wind Waker was rushed and they have been taking their time with Twilight Princess to make sure it's very fleshed out. Apparently it will be the longest Zelda ever.
I really hope is stays that way

[JohnCrichton]

Region free?! :crying:

It's Region Free!!! (http://teamfremont.com/newforums/index.php?topic=2116.msg30708#msg30708)

[Strollymonster]

Well, even though I had my heart set on a Black Wii, I do have to admit that a White one would be much easier to personalize. I may actually get it painted up like the NES pic we saw :D

If it is region-free, does that mean that I could play my imported Naruto 4 GCN game on the Wii without my Freeloader?

My launch purchase is looking like (assuming 3rd Parties are nice and do $50 games)

1x Wii System ($250)
1x Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess ($50)
1x Red Steel ($50)
1x Splinter Cell: Double Agent/Call of Duty 3 [undecided] ($50)
1x Wiimote ($40)
1x Nunchaku ($20)

Day 1 Total: $460 before tax, probably about $500 after. A console with 4 games (counting Sports) and an extra remote that for less than the price of the low-end PS3...not all that bad, although I still wish they'd put 2 Wiimotes in the starting box.

Things to rent:

Trauma Center
Avatar: The Last Airbender
Excite Truck
Call of Duty 3/Splinter Cell [whichever I don't buy]
Monkey Ball
Tony Hawk
Elebits?

[Lord Dalek]

A region free console... thats a first.

So how do they expect you to play a PAL game on an NTSC console?

Also: *COUGH*Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake*COUGH*

[William C. Maune]

A region free console... thats a first.

So how do they expect you to play a PAL game on an NTSC console?

Also: *COUGH*Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake*COUGH*

I take it that "Region Free" simply means they aren't going to put any unnatural region restrictions onto the games or into the system itself, but that they aren't necessarily going to go out of their way to make it easy to play games from other regions. It probably means there simply isn't any DVD-like region coding.

[Mog]

A region free console... thats a first.

So how do they expect you to play a PAL game on an NTSC console?

Also: *COUGH*Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake*COUGH* I would assume you don't.

Just learn to import. All you really need is a NTSC since it's used by both US and Japan.

[Shawn Hopkins]

I'm a little disappointed in the price. It's only $50 less than the X-Box 360 core system. Launch games don't exactly blow me away, either. I'm glad they are including the nunchuk and Wii sports in the system, even though I hate sports games.

Seriously, how much is the SD card? Since the system has no hard drive we'll need it. I hope it's not more than $30. All of you guys who have been figuring up what you're willing to spend will have to add whatever it is to your total.

[Artimus Gigan]

I'm a little disappointed in the price. It's only $50 less than the X-Box 360 core system. Launch games don't exactly blow me away, either. I'm glad they are including the nunchuk and Wii sports in the system, even though I hate sports games.

Seriously, how much is the SD card? Since the system has no hard drive we'll need it. I hope it's not more than $30. All of you guys who have been figuring up what you're willing to spend will have to add whatever it is to your total.
Depending in size/company SD cards range within the same price range as Memorystick Duo cards

[Shawn Hopkins]

Depending in size/company SD cards range within the same price range as Memorystick Duo cards

So there won't be a Nintendo branded one? Maybe I'm just being dense, here. Does the Wii have internal memory for game saves?

[Shawn Hopkins]

A region free console... thats a first.

So how do they expect you to play a PAL game on an NTSC console?

Also: *COUGH*Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake*COUGH*

It is indeed not a first. 3DO made a big deal out of being region free, and you could play European games on the Master System. Game Gear was region free, too.

[William C. Maune]

Game Gear was region free, too.

If we are citing handhelds, I believe Nintendo's handhelds have always been region free.

[Shawn Hopkins]

If we are citing handhelds, I believe Nintendo's handhelds have always been region free.

I thought so. Wasn't sure, though, so I didn't post it.

[Vermunium]

I've already asked for the 19th off, I'm sure Chad will follow suit with me. We'll be waiting outside of Target at 5am or earlier for the Wii. Depending on if we can get inside the store before it opens.

It'll be an easy $350-$400 I'll be spending on the Wii at launch. It'll be my first system that I've ever bought on Launch day.

[.Automatisch]

Good to hear it's region-free... Definitely want to get one next year when more titles hit.

[krazymed]

If the Wii was a region-free DVD player, I'd have totally bought it.

And the way the launch title game is being played now, it's no longer worth it to buy a system on launch. Third-party publishers strive to simply make ports, first-party publishers intentionally lower their prices to ensure sales. And the all of the bugs and problems that come at launch are more infuriating than appealing. As I have seen, it's not until the second or even third year of a system that I start seeing a system's real potential.

The other thing that bothers me is the gimmick. The PS3 tilt, the Wii controller, the Xbox360 vibration, the entire DS, these are gimmicks that are being forced on people, whether they like it or not. And most of it is completely unneeded, and could even hinder gameplay. Maybe Twilight Princess is going to be the one good game. But what about Madden, Marvel Alliance, or the other ports that weren't designed with these things in mind, because the developers didn't know about these changes until 6 months before the thing comes out?

[InsaneZero]

If the Wii was a region-free DVD player, I'd have totally bought it.

And the way the launch title game is being played now, it's no longer worth it to buy a system on launch. Third-party publishers strive to simply make ports, first-party publishers intentionally lower their prices to ensure sales. And the all of the bugs and problems that come at launch are more infuriating than appealing. As I have seen, it's not until the second or even third year of a system that I start seeing a system's real potential.

The other thing that bothers me is the gimmick. The PS3 tilt, the Wii controller, the Xbox360 vibration, the entire DS, these are gimmicks that are being forced on people, whether they like it or not. And most of it is completely unneeded, and could even hinder gameplay. Maybe Twilight Princess is going to be the one good game. But what about Madden, Marvel Alliance, or the other ports that weren't designed with these things in mind, because the developers didn't know about these changes until 6 months before the thing comes out?

Madden Wii is actually being developed with these so-called 'gimmicks' in mind. And it looks very interesting, even moreso than the other versions IMO.

Seriously though, less ports = good thing. That just means more original gameplay.

[mammy2shoesfan]

Nintendo you let me down a bit. I was hoping for at lest a $200.00 price tag or 2 Wiimotes. I knew I wasn't going to get both but not neither lol. They should have at least given us a classic controller. Full price Wiimote way too much I consider the Wiimote to be one piece the nunchuck and the mote not two separate pieces withwith 2 diffrent prices. Shells I have no problem paying for but the nunchuck should be included with the remote. I have no real with the VC point system I hope (or at least wish) they give me the option of paying for VC content with my credit or debit card. Other than the price or the Wiimote package I have no problems with the Wii and hopefully will own one by the end of the year.

[Demonic Raven]

Overall, it's a thumbs up for most everything. $250, with Wii Sports included, is a great price for the console. I'm satisfied with the VC prices, the "Mii" character creation, and the messaging service (I was afraid it would be another "friend code" situation). The only minus is the controller + nunchuck prices...becuase it's sort of up there.

So my launch purchase will boil down to...

Wii w/ Wii Sports - $250
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - $50
Red Steel - $50 (unless it's somehow higher)
*DBZ: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 - $50 (same)
* Wiimote + nunchuck - $60 (did I mention how brutal this is?)Starred stuff is the stuff I might wait until later on to purchase.

Without the stars: About $350
With stars: About $460

Honestly, that's not too shabby. Good going Nintendo. :D

[Spike Mcdougal]

I'm glad Excite Truck is now a launch title.

What's this points for the Virtual Console stuff? I dont quite understand that one

[James Bester]

I'm kind of disappointed that Metroid Prime 3 is delayed and SSMB wasn't even mentioned, but otherwise that's some good news. I guess now that the GC Zelda is delayed, I may consider getting the Wii version. Along with Red Steel. It's too bad one controller and nunchuck will cost around $60. Sounds like a ripoff to me, but I guess with free online play and other low prices there has to be some sort of catch.

[Chad Bonin]

I doubt third party games will cost more than $50. EA confirmed that Marvel Ultimate Alliance would be $50...

Yeah, I'll ask for the day off. Wiiparty over here... And region free is good, but I'll probably just import one or two...

[Artimus Gigan]

So there won't be a Nintendo branded one? Maybe I'm just being dense, here. Does the Wii have internal memory for game saves?
There probably will be a branded SD card, but companies like PNY, SanDisk and such already make them

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Region Free is awesome.

I'll be getting at launch:

Wii
SD Card
Extra Wiimote and Nunchuck
Twilight Princess
Red Steel

That's my buy at launch package. Extra controller for pwning in multiplayer.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Region fee eh? And doesn't this thing play GCN games? So wouldn't that also mean it's a region free GCN? Because that would rock. But most importantly... One Piece Unlimited Adventure here I come!

[William C. Maune]

Region fee eh? And doesn't this thing play GCN games? So wouldn't that also mean it's a region free GCN? Because that would rock. But most importantly... One Piece Unlimited Adventure here I come!

I dunno if GC games will be region free. Based on what we know so far, with a GC game in the system, the Wii seems to act pretty much exactly like a GC. That would include region restrictions. Also, if the region restrictions are built into the GC games themselves, there might not be much the Wii could do about it. Nintendo wouldn't build a program into the Wii that would circumvent 3rd parties GC game region coding.

------------

Anyway, this is what I find cool, companies signed up for the Virtual Console so far:

Atlus
Bandai Namco
Banpresto
Capcom
Chunsoft
D4 Enterprise
Enterbrain
Hal Laboratory
Hudson
Irem
Jaleco
Kemco
Koei
Konami
NCS Masaya
Netfarm
Paon
Rocket Company
Sega
Square Enix
Sunsoft
Taito
Takara Tomy
Tecmo

[Storm Eagle]

Yeah I should have known that they'd delay the release of Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Then they push the Gamecube version of Twilght Princess into December, while the Wii version comes out on the same day the Wii itself does. I'd still rather get Twilight Princess for Gamecube. They owe us that. So in conclusion, I won't be getting Wii until next year, when Metroid Prime 3: Corruption comes out. So there.

[Yash]

Atlus
Bandai Namco
Banpresto
Capcom
Chunsoft
D4 Enterprise
Enterbrain
Hal Laboratory
Hudson
Irem
Jaleco
Kemco
Koei
Konami
NCS Masaya
Netfarm
Paon
Rocket Company
Sega
Square Enix
Sunsoft
Taito
Takara Tomy
Tecmo Ha! And when VC was announced, everyone was whining about how third party wouldn't support it :D

So, here's my Wii launch:

Wii + WiiSports + Wiimote (224.99)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (44.99)
Red Steel (44.99)
Extra Wii Controller/Nunchuk (53.98)
Total: (w/tax) 392.93

I'll probably pick up whatever else interests me by Christmas.


It's only $50 less than the X-Box 360 core system. Well, yeah, but who buys the Core system? Oh, right, no one.

[Lord Dalek]

Anyway, this is what I find cool, companies signed up for the Virtual Console so far:

Atlus ShinMegaTen!


Bandai Namco

Rolling Thunder 2!


Banpresto
Horridness!


Capcom
Pirate Ship Higemaru!


Chunsoft
What the?!


D4 Enterprise
You too!


Enterbrain
Same as above!


Hal Laboratory
Air Fortress!


Hudson
Ys IV (the good one)!


Irem R-TYPE LEO!!!!!


Jaleco
CITY CONNECTION!!!!


Kemco
Bugs Bunny Crazy Castle!!!!


Koei
GEMFIRE!!!!!


Konami
PAHRAHDIASUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!


NCS Masaya
LANGRISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSAH!!!!


Netfarm
Paon
Rocket Company
No clue.


Sega
SEGA!!!!!


Square Enix
TOM SAWYER!!!!!!

Sunsoft
BLASTAH MASTAH!!!!!


Taito
ELEVATOR ACTION RETURNS!!!!!!!


Takara Tomy
Zoids....stuff........ !


Tecmo
RYGAR!!!!!

Whoa what a rush.

[Dogbert]

Well, I've got to say that I'm very surprised by the price and only one color (technically white is red, green and blue light combined, but you get my point). However, everything else is on par with my expectations and I'll be getting one at launch. Not an extra controller though; my friends can forget getting free use of controllers on my tab this time.

I'll reserve at GS/EB if I'm high on the list, but I'll be happy with standing in line if that's what it takes.

[Cogliostro]

I'm somewhat interested in the Wii. I was wondering something and hopefully someone here can answer it. I read somewhere about the controllers that mentioned, the Wiimote, nunchucks and a "classic" controller. Is the "classic" controller going to be like most gaming controllers like the gamecube's? I'm all for changing things up with the Wiimote but I don't want to be forced to have to use it's Wiimote all the time on all games.

[JTurner954]

"Wii will be avaliable in America Nov 19th for $250. It'll include 1 Contoller, 1 Nunchuck and Wii Sports pack in. Only in White."

I'm surprised there weren't two controllers, but then again couldn't you play with the nunchuck and regular controller at the same time? Anyway, it's a good price (less than my paycheck) and it includes a game that demonstrates different uses for the controller.


"25 titles at launch including Zelda and Excitetruck."

"Thrid party launch titles include: Call of Duty 3, Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Need for Speed: Carbon, Madden 07, Elebits, Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz, Rayman: Raving Rabbids, Splinter Cell: Double Agent."

Looks better than the PS3 lineup. I would rent Trauma Center and plan on buying Zelda and the additional game with billiards and the extra controller.


"Nintendo using point system, with 1000 pts = $10. NES games will be available for 500 Wii points, Super NES games for 800, and Nintendo 64 for 1,000."

This remains the number one reason I'm buying this system. Once they start releasing N64 titles (I never owned an N64) I'll spend $100+ on that alone. Any announcements on what the Virtual Console launch titles will be?


"Will include Mii Channel "which lets you create your cartoon-like avatar to represent yourself within games."

Interesting. I just hope it's easier to make than a message board avatar.

Random comments:

I really don't understand why people find it necessary for a video game system to include DVD capabilities. I'm happy Nintendo is still focusing on games (it's called GAMEcube for a reason).

I didn't see this mentioned anywhere, but I'm hoping Nintendo starts to follow Playstation and Xbox's feet and start releasing demos with their magazine or just have a buyable demo disc. Not everyone wants to go to a retail store (or wait in line at a retail store) just to see a video game demonstration. Let people try them at home.

I wonder if there will be another way to get points for the Virtual Console. I think it would be cool if you get a certain amount of points just for subscribing to Nintendo Power (or getting a friend to subscribe). Or maybe you can get some points back if you decide you don't like the game you selected.

[veemonjosh]

Interesting. I just hope it's easier to make than a message board avatar.

Well, message board avatars aren't THAT hard to make...:sweat:

[Chad Bonin]

Well, IGN seems to have found a nugget. In their "Wii Channels" article, they state the Opera Browser will be free until.. um...


Internet Channel
Go here to access the Opera internet browser. In addition to supporting flash (making this a step up from the DS browser), the browser uses the Wiimote to zoom in and out. The browser will normally cost money, but Nintendo will make it available for free download until June of 2006.

I'd wager they mean June 2007, but whatever. The concept of Opera being free for a while is out there.

[Noukon]

Happy with the Virtual Console pricing, accepting of the console pricing, lamenting of the controller pricing.

$250 should be a fine price point until next spring, when supply starts to meet demand and they actually have to sell the Wii over the other consoles. Perhaps then they'll cut Wii Sports and lower the price to $200. Even with the pack-in, it'll be a hard sell if the price is only $50 below the 360's cheaper configuration (and who knows if Microsoft won't drop the 360's price before then).

[mammy2shoesfan]

I'm wondering if you have to pay for access to Opera just once or do you have pay a subsciption to the service?

[Chad Bonin]

I'm wondering if you have to pay for access to Opera just once or do you have pay a subsciption to the service?
WiiConnect24, Nintendo's online service, is free. Opera is simply a program, and would be a one-time-only fee.

[mammy2shoesfan]

Thank you for clearing that up.

One other question I have. I know I must have asked this question last year or earlier this year I don't remeber but can Wii be played on a HDTV or not. All I hear is that it isn't HDTV compatable but since I haven't had the benfit of really enjoying a HDTV I really don't know what to think about that.

[William C. Maune]

Thank you for clearing that up.

One other question I have. I know I must have asked this question last year or earlier this year I don't remeber but can Wii be played on a HDTV or not. All I hear is that it isn't HDTV compatable but since I haven't had the benfit of really enjoying a HDTV I really don't know what to think about that.

The Wii (and the NES, SNES, N64, GC, etc.) can be played on an HDTV. It just won't necessarily look any better on an HDTV than on a standard definition TV. It'll still look better than the GameCube, it just won't be extremely super high resolution.

[MdlTrack]

My thoughts:

$250 is just fine for what comes in the box. I remember hearing some who feared that a significantly cheaper Wii would be perceived as inferior to the 360/PS3. In other words, we have given Nintendo no choice but to gouge us and profit like mad on each console sold. :anime:
The VC is going to be the big thing to watch. Considering that translating and porting a Famicom game to the VC should be able to be done for dirt cheap, I say Nintendo should be chomping at the bit to release all kinds of insane games that never before had a chance of being released here. Like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeshi%27s_Challenge
The Wii channels sound interesting, but what can I do on there I can't do on the laptop I'm typing this on?Overall, I'll probably get a Wii, but after a price drop and when they launch the black ones. Those things look gorgeous.

[Vermunium]

I'll probably case-mod my Wii to a different color, after I take a good look at it though.

[mammy2shoesfan]

My thoughts:

$250 is just fine for what comes in the box. I remember hearing some who feared that a significantly cheaper Wii would be perceived as inferior to the 360/PS3. In other words, we have given Nintendo no choice but to gouge us and profit like mad on each console sold. :anime:
The VC is going to be the big thing to watch. Considering that translating and porting a Famicom game to the VC should be able to be done for dirt cheap, I say Nintendo should be chomping at the bit to release all kinds of insane games that never before had a chance of being released here. Like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeshi%27s_Challenge
The Wii channels sound interesting, but what can I do on there I can't do on the laptop I'm typing this on?Overall, I'll probably get a Wii, but after a price drop and when they launch the black ones. Those things look gorgeous.

I could see me making good use of Opera because I only have one PC and my wife is on more than I am so I could use that when she is on. I'm pretty sure they will come out with a some kind of keyboard attachment for the Wiimote or you might be able to use a bluetooth keyboard with the Wii since its bluetooth enabled.

[Frank Castle]

I've officially decided I'm going to get one at launch. I guess I'll get Red Steel and some other stuff I haven't decided on yet.

[Peter Paltridge]

To add to the title: We still have Europe, and young adults with bad luck who have shot computers and can only find out things through the library.

They told me to reserve the Gamecube version of Twilight Princess because they would be calling me once Nintendo announced release plans and asking if I wanted to switch to the Wii. It's fortunate that I agreed to that, because when I heard yesterday's phone message I had no other way to know what was going on.

Then this morning I had to get the rest of the launch info from the GameStop clerk. I'm a little miffed about the $250 and it may mean I'll HAVE to barter the Cube (and I'll just bet it'd be an even $200, like it should be, if Wii Sports was not in there). As for the Game Boy Player, I'd likely unscrew it, then buy a really cheap used Cube later on. Right now, it's my only reason to have the Cube around.

Oh, and guess what....GameStop STILL ISN'T TAKING WII RESERVES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD EVEN THOUGH THEY ACTUALLY KNOW HOW MANY UNITS THEY WILL BE GETTING PER STORE ON LAUNCH. They've waited too blasted long. The nanosecond they open reserves now, they'll be sold out in 3 seconds, and if I'm not there in the store, I won't have a Wii. Thanks a lot, CORPORATE IDIOTS...

[Mr Cat Dog]

According to the following article at the EU conference, Wii WON'T be region-free after all:

http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/732/732982p1.html

As for the EU shindig:

£180 is more than I was expecting, to be honest, and the controllers are even more expensive than the X360 Wireless ones. The only bright side in terms of pricing are the games are significantly cheaper than even PS2 games over here (never mind the VC games - £7 for an N64 game? Bargain!) WarioWare "soon after launch"? I really hope it's before Christmas, as it's going to be that, Monkey Ball, Zelda and Excite Truck to keep me going until the new year.

[Mynd Hed]

The Wii channels sound interesting, but what can I do on there I can't do on the laptop I'm typing this on?

Umm... buy one for $250? (-: In all seriousness, the whole setup kind of seems like it's intended to include some Xbox Live-like functionality while avoiding direct comparisons to Xbox Live (since Live will probably be the better and more feature-equipped service of the two, at least initially). Also it's easy to see that the whole "channels" gimmick is a way of trying to make it more friendly-seeming to the sorts of nongamers who are more comfortable flipping channels on a TV screen than setting up PCs for a LAN party.

Not that any of that's necessarily a bad thing, mind you, especially since the online aspects are still mostly either free or cheap. The "Channels" are just a potentially interesting bonus for now; time will tell whether their implementation is good enough for them to move systems later on once people have had a chance to play with them.

[Dogbert]

Employees at both GameSpot and EB told me today that they might not even be taking pre-orders on Wii. Every other time I've asked (10+ over the last two months), I was told that they most likely would, just not yet. So, I bit the bullet and broke with my traditional waiting in line on launch day or do a paid reserve strategy and pre-ordered it from Amazon. The $3.99 for Amazon Prime one-day shipping (just started the free trial) and pie/2% A9 discount cancelled each other out. All this boils down to the following: I saved $15 in state taxes, but I'll have to wait one day to play Wii and I won't have the fun of standing in line. On the other hand, I'll still need to go to EB to pick up LoZ: TP (paid for over a year ago with the "trade in five get one free" deal - the suckers upgraded my trade in from $6.25 to $50), so I won't miss all the fun of launch day.

[Conekiller]

According to the following article at the EU conference, Wii WON'T be region-free after all:

http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/732/732982p1.html

As for the EU shindig:

£180 is more than I was expecting, to be honest, and the controllers are even more expensive than the X360 Wireless ones. The only bright side in terms of pricing are the games are significantly cheaper than even PS2 games over here (never mind the VC games - £7 for an N64 game? Bargain!) WarioWare "soon after launch"? I really hope it's before Christmas, as it's going to be that, Monkey Ball, Zelda and Excite Truck to keep me going until the new year.
According to that article, it seems to only apply to the European version. Sucks, but hopefully that won't be the case between US and Japan.

[Chad Bonin]

I could see me making good use of Opera because I only have one PC and my wife is on more than I am so I could use that when she is on. I'm pretty sure they will come out with a some kind of keyboard attachment for the Wiimote or you might be able to use a bluetooth keyboard with the Wii since its bluetooth enabled.

I would think that, given the Wii's two USB ports, you could most likely plug in a standard keyboard. Also, especially since it has a Message Board feature built in.

[Cogliostro]

I'm somewhat interested in the Wii. I was wondering something and hopefully someone here can answer it. I read somewhere about the controllers that mentioned, the Wiimote, nunchucks and a "classic" controller. Is the "classic" controller going to be like most gaming controllers like the gamecube's? I'm all for changing things up with the Wiimote but I don't want to be forced to have to use it's Wiimote all the time on all games.

....anyone know? :confused:

[Chad Bonin]

....anyone know? :confused: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Remote

Wikipedia and Google are your friend.

Effectively, if you don't want to use the Wiimote, play other consoles. The entire purpose of the Wii is the remote. A handful of games will use Gamecube controller, and classic games will use the Classic Controller, but the entire purpose of the console is to get the Wiimote as THE new way to play games.

[.Automatisch]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Remote

Wikipedia and Google are your friend.

Effectively, if you don't want to use the Wiimote, play other consoles. The entire purpose of the Wii is the remote. A handful of games will use Gamecube controller, and classic games will use the Classic Controller, but the entire purpose of the console is to get the Wiimote as THE new way to play games.

Why force change when it's not necessary, though? With the DS, there's still enough games that play traditionally, and the stylus aspect doesn't get in the way. The way in which Sony handled it, be it ripping off the Wii or not, is better suited IMO because it does it in a way that doesn't make the game solely based around the controller... The games can have the function, if needed, but you're not forced to use it either.

But your first statement holds true indeed...

[Dogbert]

snake']Why force change when it's not necessary, though? With the DS, there's still enough games that play traditionally, and the stylus aspect doesn't get in the way. The way in which Sony handled it, be it ripping off the Wii or not, is better suited IMO because it does it in a way that doesn't make the game solely based around the controller... The games can have the function, if needed, but you're not forced to use it either.*Raises flame shield*

I hate to say it, but I agree with snake. With the exception of creating a friendly appearance to non-gamers, which I have doubts about anyway, there's no reason why Nintendo couldn't have built a pointer and motion sensor into a traditional (GCN-like) controller to give the same "revolutionary" effect.

That said, I'm still sticking with Nintendo because I know they'll deliver the games I want. While I believe the Wii could be better, I'll 1) recognize my opinion means squat until I play some Wii games and 2) say that Wii will still probably rule regardless.

[krazymed]

snake']Why force change when it's not necessary, though? With the DS, there's still enough games that play traditionally, and the stylus aspect doesn't get in the way. The way in which Sony handled it, be it ripping off the Wii or not, is better suited IMO because it does it in a way that doesn't make the game solely based around the controller... The games can have the function, if needed, but you're not forced to use it either.


Don't bet on it. Sony will force that tilt function on its games because it's the only selling point they have now on the controller. They don't have the vibration feature, and the design hasn't changed in ten years. I suspect that a lot of PS3 owners at the start are going to be irate when their typical user-friendly button sequences are replaced with a silly up and down motion that doesn't work.

[Mynd Hed]

I would think that, given the Wii's two USB ports, you could most likely plug in a standard keyboard. Also, especially since it has a Message Board feature built in.

One would hope you're right, but hopefully there'll be support for wireless keyboards as well. I know I won't want to string a wire between the console and the living room couch if I can help it.

[mammy2shoesfan]

One would hope you're right, but hopefully there'll be support for wireless keyboards as well. I know I won't want to string a wire between the console and the living room couch if I can help it.

Thats the way my living room usually is, except for tonite because my game cube controllers are rolled up under the entertainment center.

[Chad Bonin]

Oh, huh. I never saw confirmation on this for America, but GameStop says the Wii comes with the console stand. That's one less accessory Nintendo can pimp, unlike Sony's stand-sellings.

[Crow]

Chad you've outdone yourself with all this, well done.

I thought I'd hold off from this announcement and not go through the information explosion in real time (though I made sure I came to this Disclosure thread first) - where are some places we can see all the important news trimmed down and in dot point form or something?

[Chad Bonin]

Effectively, I'll cover the American facts.

The Wii will be released on Sunday, November 19th. The only package available will retail for $249.99, and will include one Wii, one Wii Remote, one Wii Nunchuck, one copy of Wii Sports (which includes Golf, Baseball, Tennis, Boxing, and Bowling), and possibly one stand (NOA didn't mention it, NOJ did, Gamestop does, etc.)

The Wii itself runs on "Channels", much like how the 360 has the "Blades" and the PS3 has to "Cross Media Bar". As the Wii is connected 24/7, via WiiConnect24, some channels are easily streamed. You get a Weather Report/Forecast Channel and a News Channel out of the box. The Opera Browser will have to be purchased at one point (one report states that it will be available free for a while) if you want to surf the Internet. A basic Message Board function, to let members of your household see notes (effectively, it's a digital refrigerator door) has been included, but some have surmised that Animal Crossing "mail" and other messages might be posted there. The Mii Channel is integral to Wii: You create your own 3D Mii persona, and you'd play as them in Wii Sports and such. Your Mii can be saved to your Wii Remote, and go on the road with you. Also, a Photo/Video channel can check out your files included on an SD Card.

Virtual Console pricing scheme is 100 Points = 1 Dollar. NES games are 500 points, SNES are 800, and N64 are 1,000. It hasn't been stated what other console games (Genesis, TurboGrafix-16, and newly announced MSX) would be priced, but it's possible they'd be along the same scheme (I'd expect 800 points). You can purchase them via Virtual Console Cards (like the Microsoft Points Cards), or Credit Card. They're tied to your account, so if a meteor destroys your Wii, you can reclaim them. At least 60 games will be Virtualized by the end of the year, with 10 games per month afterwards.

Nintendo has not clarified a few things. The Wii Remote is looking less and less likely to include a microphone. The Virtual Console controller was not mentioned for America, although it was given a Japanese price point. Nintendo Of America said the Wii would be Region Free, but Europe said it wouldn't (a middleground was that the system, and Nintendo games would be Region Free, but certain publishers could region lock titles).

Japan will get the system after America, followed by the Australian release, and then the UK version.

Nintendo's first-party launch titles are only confirmed to be The Legend Of Zelda: Twilight Princess (with the GCN version delayed until December), and Excite Truck. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption has been delayed until 2007, but may include an Nintendo WiFi Connect mode.

The Wii Remote will retail for $40, and the Nunchuck will retail for $20 (if America follows Japan's suit, the Virtual Console Controller will also be $20. Japan also has a "My First Wii" game, which is a second Wii Sports-like package, including another Wii Remote [and the Duck Hunt game] for roughly $50. Pray Nintendo releases that here). This could be the game UK's getting as "Wii Play" at launch. Two launch titles, Monster 4x4 World Circuit and GT Pro Series, include steering wheel attachments.

Countless games were announced, notable a Wii version of Big Brain Academy, Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles, and a few games probably not hitting America. Reports indicate that the new playable version of Metroid Prime 3 has an "Expert" mode, which controls just like a PC FPS, and is awesome as hell, making the delay more painful.

[Crow]

Cheers.

[Super Sonic]

Do I need DSL/High-Speed/Broadband to be able to use Wii Channels, go to trhe Opera Browser, and download Virtual Console games? :confused:

[peacebyanymeans]

Do I need DSL/High-Speed/Broadband to be able to use Wii Channels, go to trhe Opera Browser, and download Virtual Console games? :confused:

WiFi really only works with Broadband, so yes...