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Robotech_Master
08-20-2006, 12:38 AM
Got the DVD in the mail today from RightStuf; they shipped it early. Opened it up and took some looks. At first all seemed pretty good--great extras, wonderful anamorphic video quality on the main feature--but late in my viewing I found some stuff that's going to get people really ticked off.

First off, looking at the outside of the box:

Back cover blurb has been condensed from the prior Manga version; Protoculture Addicts quote has been replaced with "...Clever and charming mix of romance, comedy, adventure and action that keeps viewer hooked...not to be missed!" --DVDTalk.com

Also keeps the Spielberg "one of the greatest adventure movies of all time" reference.

Special Features: [from the back of the box, with my snarkiness in brackets]

Digitally Remastered [one of those meaningless phrases that means whatever you want it to]
Widescreen Presentation enhanced for 16x9 TVs [YES!!!]
In English, Japanese, Spanish (Castillan), French and Japanese with English Subtitles [Japanese, French, and Spanish are mono; English comes in 2.0 and 5.1 flavors. Yes, it's still the Manga Video dub in both cases]
Complete Animatic: Storyboards with Feature Soundtrack [in 4:3 ratio]
Interview with Animation Director Yasuo Ohtsuka [25 minutes long(!), in 4:3 ratio]
Photo Gallery [actually a misnomer; there are no "photos" in it, just line drawings and framegrabs/paintings]
Japanese Trailers [there is actually just the one Japanese trailer, in 4:3]
Motion Menus [if that can be considered an extra. All menus are in 16:9.]Below the credits listing, there's a note that the movie "Contains Mild Language. Parental Guidance Suggested." (I can hear all the Miyazaki mailing list people cringing from here. :))

I slipped the jacket off, opened the disc. Was mildly surprised and then quite amused to find the first 2-sided "flipper" DVD I've seen on a newly-released movie in quite some time. (Too cheap to spring for two discs and a 2-disc case, eh Manga?) Apart from the disc, and an "other titles from Manga Video" card, there is no liner insert.

I looked at the extras on Side B first. The main Extras menu was Lupin against the brick wall with spotlights panning over him. The Extras Features menu is Lupin looking at the castle as animated fireworks go off in the background. Apart from the previously-mentioned extras, there is also a section of trailers for other Manga DVDs on the extras side. The trailer is interesting; it features mainly action scenes, music, and very little dialogue, and often what dialogue there is is different from the movie. It ends with a notice saying that Lupin vs the Clones would be showing simultaneously.

The interview was interesting, though it ranged a bit far afield from Cagliostro, and the interviewer hadn't done his homework on Ohtsuka before doing it--he didn't know that Ohtsuka had done the first Lupin TV series before doing Cagliostro. It's probably overly simplistic to say that Ohtsuka came across as a mildly crotchety old man who didn't think the Japanese animation industry in these days was as good as it had been in his, but that's the impression I got from my first viewing.

Flipped the disc over (what a novelty!) and gave the main side a spin. The main menu is rather silly, it starts with a big "The Castle of Cagliostro" logo appearing, then Lupin's car bursting through it scattering the letters in all directions. We are then treated to cardboard cutouts of Lupin's car, Zenigata's car, and the Count's autogyro (backward!) moving randomly around against a background of the castle, with the occasional burst of gunfire appearing at random. It's all very silly, but on the other hand it looks approximately 300% better than that "Lupin climbing" thing on the main menu of Manga's prior version.

The audio menu is a close-up of the rings, with animated glints of light on them. The scene selection menu is Lupin in his Zenigata outfit gripping the corners of that ceiling panel, with three of the other panels cut out and used to display animated clips from the scenes in them.

Watched a bit of the movie. It starts with the Manga logo as before, but instead of the old familiar scintillating TMS logo from Manga's prior release, there is a brand new CGI logo with dolphins sliding down a rainbow. Pretty neat, and kind of unexpected. The picture quality is great. The dub is the same old Manga dub, not bad but too many bad words. Wasn't really able to listen to the 5.1 at full volume (neighbors), but it sounded all right; with the rear surrounds seeing some use for music and sound effects but most of the action on the front soundstage. Picture quality was impressive; I've never seen Cagliostro look this good.

Or so I said on my first look. Then someone asked me if they'd kept the hard-subtitled overlay on the sign inside the hood of the car, and hard-subtitled title overlay on the opening credits, which part I hadn't watched yet. So I went ahead and put the DVD back in again to check.

Well, the sign on the hood of the car is not matted. And technically, neither is the opening credits. But when I watched the opening credits...

...

I was left speechless. ABSOLUTELY FRICKING SPEECHLESS.

They replaced the gorgeous animated opening sequence, of Lupin and Jigen driving across the countryside...

...with a series of STILL FRAMES from that sequence, with English credits superimposed over them.

Bloody hell. Even Macek at least kept the sequences somewhat animated. And this after Manga had keptthe animated, Japanese-kanji titles on their previous Cagliostro DVD release and just ran the credits at the end. (And they still do run the credits at the end on this release! Why they mucked with the title sequence this time after doing it at least mostly properly last time is anybody's guess.)

Let the defenestration commence.

SpaceCowboy
08-20-2006, 01:19 AM
Well, the sign on the hood of the car is not matted. And technically, neither is the opening credits. But when I watched the opening credits...

...

I was left speechless. ABSOLUTELY FRICKING SPEECHLESS.

They replaced the gorgeous animated opening sequence, of Lupin and Jigen driving across the countryside...

...with a series of STILL FRAMES from that sequence, with English credits superimposed over them.


Ouch. Who do they think they're fooling with such an inane edit? It boggles the mind how this company screws things up. :rolleyes: I'd only double-dip for a release without this nonsense.

Robotech_Master
08-20-2006, 01:22 AM
The sad thing is, apart from that, the disc really is an improvement. There are some great extras, the anamorphic transfer looks terrific...it's just that they really screwed the pooch on the opening credits.

Annoyingly, this means I'm going to have to revise and rerecord yet another section of my Cagliostro commentary track. I may end up having to talk very very fast. :P

Duke
08-20-2006, 02:34 AM
Apart from the disc, and an "other titles from Manga Video" card, there is no liner insert.
Not too surprising. Fewer and fewer anime companies are making generic inserts anymore. Bandai doesn't do them at all, Geneon usually just has rebates or pencil boards, ADV only does them when they're actual extras (such as the Maburaho newspaper thingy), FUNi does the same thing as well as including their little catalog, and Viz just has regular advertisements.

Chum
08-20-2006, 06:31 AM
I refuse to buy this release and support more Mangled releases in the future.

I really do hate Manga with a passion, they ruin all my favourite anime.

Lord Dalek
08-20-2006, 08:37 AM
That is just plain idiotic. Maybe if we complain then Manga will fix it in time for the next pressing.

Hatter
08-20-2006, 10:15 AM
Well, the sign on the hood of the car is not matted. And technically, neither is the opening credits. But when I watched the opening credits...

...

I was left speechless. ABSOLUTELY FRICKING SPEECHLESS.

They replaced the gorgeous animated opening sequence, of Lupin and Jigen driving across the countryside...

...with a series of STILL FRAMES from that sequence, with English credits superimposed over them.

Bloody hell. Even Macek at least kept the sequences somewhat animated. And this after Manga had keptthe animated, Japanese-kanji titles on their previous Cagliostro DVD release and just ran the credits at the end. (And they still do run the credits at the end on this release! Why they mucked with the title sequence this time after doing it at least mostly properly last time is anybody's guess.)

Let the defenestration commence.


...
Well, there goes my purchase. Guess my Miyazaki DVD library won't be complete quite yet.
Damn it.

NickMB
08-20-2006, 12:50 PM
That is just plain idiotic. Maybe if we complain then Manga will fix it in time for the next pressing.

I'm hoping that they do that too. Maybe even issue replacement discs for those of us who already bought it :crying:

Chum
08-20-2006, 01:32 PM
To my knowledge Manga have never issued a replacement disc for any of their old releases.

But there's still no harm in complaining...

Nin-Nin69
08-20-2006, 02:13 PM
I still have no issues with keeping my original DVD when problems like this rise up.

NickMB
08-20-2006, 02:54 PM
To my knowledge Manga have never issued a replacement disc for any of their old releases.

But there's still no harm in complaining...

maybe Miyazaki should send them a samurai sword with a note attached like he did to Disney when they were dubbing Mononoke :D

Lord Dalek
08-20-2006, 07:30 PM
To my knowledge Manga have never issued a replacement disc for any of their old releases.

But there's still no harm in complaining...Yeah but their sister company Anchor Bay has done so numerous times.

EDIT - I've written to them, but just to be sure, are the same titles visible if you select Japanese as your default language BEFORE you start the feature?

Dark Fact
08-21-2006, 01:16 AM
What did you expect from a company who can't even release all the episodes of Astro Boy on DVD? :mad:

Lord Dalek
08-21-2006, 07:11 PM
Got a response! Apparantly even they don't know whats going on, hmmm...

Jeikobu
08-21-2006, 10:57 PM
Wow, thank God I bought the old release...

Chum
08-22-2006, 07:36 AM
Here's the official responce from Manga:

Thank you for your interest in Manga and one of our favorite titles, "Lupin the 3rd: The Castle of Cagliostro". Please be advised that the opening credits were provided in English by the Production Company in Japan and this is how they wanted us to represent their team, for everyone to read who worked on the show. In addition, they had provided us with a remastered 16x9 anamorphic master, which if you compare with our original release, is far superior.

We work really hard at Manga to try and listen to the fans' concerns and appreciate your feedback, but we must also listen to our licensors and how they want their film and team represented.

We're disappointed to hear you are reluctant to buy our titles going forward, as we do try our best to improve with every release. This is why we don't put out as many titles, as we focus on quality, not quantity. Our dubs and subtitles are triple-checked and are reviewed very well by our fans and publications. We are a small team of less then 10 people at our label, so we are not the machine that many of our competitors are.
We sincerely hope you change your mind and hope you enjoy the program and the work we've done to try and bring some added value to a fan favorite.

Jeikobu
08-22-2006, 03:55 PM
I might have known. Why are so many Japanese anime companies so danged stingy? Why couldn't they just provide the entire film (by not changing the opening sequence like that)? Well anyway, I don't care if the video quality is a ton better. The quality of the original release, while not remarkable, is still perfectly watchable and enjoyable, and I'd much rather have the complete original film with original credits. I wonder if the original release will be on its way out of print now...

Are the Japanese companies also the reason Manga didn't get the Ghost in the Shell: SAC 1st Gig ending visuals? I also wonder about Guyver's opening visuals, but then again you can see the correct visuals when you watch the last episode uncut in the extra features of the last disc, so I wonder if that's just Manga's fault.

Conekiller
08-22-2006, 06:47 PM
Damn, I'm glad I read this thread. That was almost auto-bought.:sad:

EDIT: wow...sorry bout that pun...must have transformers on the brain -_-)

Lord Dalek
08-22-2006, 06:51 PM
I find it interesting that I haven't gotten the same automated reply yet. Hmmm...

Regardless, I'm buying this anyway. A missing credit sequence is ultimately not enough to overpower everything that was wrong with the previous transfer.

AstroNerdBoy
08-22-2006, 08:25 PM
If that was presented by the Japanese company, did Manga ask "why?" Surely, they must have known that there would have been blow-back from American fans of the film. Further, why are the Japanese providing the English OP titles?

I figure ultimately this is because the Japanese still don't understand the American market at all. After all, we are a bunch of gainjin and what would we care about a changed OP titles or the like.

MGFanJay
08-22-2006, 09:06 PM
The changed OP sours me on buying this, but I'll pick it up down the road for $15 or so after I've finished filling my Lupin backlog.

Lord Dalek
08-23-2006, 05:55 PM
Well if you think about it this isn't anything new. TMS has been slipping in video edits into the US masters of Geneon's Lupin discs since the beginning (in the form of plastered credits and title cards, plus rubbing out product placement). Personally I won't be surprised to find Discotek's upcoming releases of Babylon and Fuma to be altered in some way whenever they come out (still waiting...).

SpaceCowboy
08-23-2006, 07:07 PM
Well if you think about it this isn't anything new. TMS has been slipping in video edits into the US masters of Geneon's Lupin discs since the beginning (in the form of plastered credits and title cards, plus rubbing out product placement). Personally I won't be surprised to find Discotek's upcoming releases of Babylon and Fuma to be altered in some way whenever they come out (still waiting...).If TMS did those edits to Cagliostro, I'm surprised they're that sloppy to replace actual animation with a series of stills. One would think that a company that could do good digital restoration to other Lupin properties could edit out the Japanese credits through a much better method. Even covering the Japanese credits with black boxes would have not been as bad. Then again, they don't really care about something that doesn't affect Japan's market.:shrug:

NickMB
08-23-2006, 10:14 PM
The changed OP sours me on buying this, but I'll pick it up down the road for $15 or so after I've finished filling my Lupin backlog.

If you buy it from RightStuf during their Manga sale, the SE will run you $14.99, so you might as well pick it up before the sale expires.

Robotech_Master
08-24-2006, 10:55 AM
If you buy it from RightStuf during their Manga sale, the SE will run you $14.99, so you might as well pick it up before the sale expires. And Manga's earlier Cagliostro DVD will be $11.99. Sale ends on the 27th; use coupon code supernatural.

Treadwell
08-24-2006, 01:46 PM
Please be advised that the opening credits were provided in English by the Production Company in Japan and this is how they wanted us to represent their team, for everyone to read who worked on the show.

But it would be up to Manga to inform TMS that they better know what their (Manga's) customers prefer, and to push the issue further with them. At least include an untampered version of the credits as an extra (or branch it).