[SPECULATION] Cartoon Network & Adult Swim getting close to being one.

[Ykwia]

This is only a speculation, But I think that Cartoon Network and Adult Swim are close to being one, I know, Cartoon Network only cares about kids but I have evidence of this.

Exhibit A:

Inuyasha The Movie 3 was being advertised during Toonami, I mean it, They advertised it during the shows, on a kids network and most of all, It's running on Adult Swim. and as we all know, Adult Swim can not be known on Cartoon Network because it's considered a seperate channel, The advertising appeared in the bottom left corner where they'd usally show advertisements for other shows, It literaly said.

"Inuyasha The Movie 3
11:00 PM
DON'T MISS IT!"

I'm curious about that becuase why would they advertise that on Toonami, A block on the Cartoon Network, Furthermore, Why would they advertise on a network that's considered Adult Swim to be another channel?

Exhibit B:

Two Cartoon Network Ads make their presence known on Adult Swim, It happened around 12:00 AM, I know, It's not as worse as those Toonami ads on Adult Swim reminding us what's on an all new Naruto, But Cartoon Network is not supposed to show their advertising on Adult Swim because it is considered a seperate network by them, Another Thing is that Williams Street made no attempt to fix this, They would instantly fix it but instead they just let it run, I wonder why did they run the Cartoon Network ads on their own block?

I don't belive it now, But I'll see that if is true if this ever expands, But the prosper of a new cartoon network is a sight to behold, The merging of Cartoon Network and Adult Swim's shows into a single network and we could also see the possible return of Classic Cartoons but I'm just dreaming here, Post your comments on how this will or not will happen.

[Draft]

This is only a speculation, But I think that Cartoon Network and Adult Swim are close to being one, I know, Cartoon Network only cares about kids but I have evidence of this.

Exhibit A:

Inuyasha The Movie 3 was being advertised during Toonami, I mean it, They advertised it during the shows, on a kids network and most of all, It's running on Adult Swim. and as we all know, Adult Swim can not be known on Cartoon Network because it's considered a seperate channel, The advertising appeared in the bottom left corner where they'd usally show advertisements for other shows, It literaly said.

It's considered a seperate channel in ratings, and anyyway, that is bull anyway. I've seen the Cheese Comercial plenty of times while watching Nick, and i've seen CN air the comercial for the Disney summer games. But when was it beign advertised, 7-9 or 9-11? Give me times.


"Inuyasha The Movie 3
11:00 PM
DON'T MISS IT!"

I'm curious about that becuase why would they advertise that on Toonami, A block on the Cartoon Network, Furthermore, Why would they advertise on a network that's considered Adult Swim to be another channel?

Remember, the target auidence is 9-14(?) Adult Swim starts targeting its program to age 14 viewers. Plus, i think you dont really watch Toonami to say your claims, Toonami has those bumps about now, next, and later

Here is the 10:30 one

Now-one Piece
Next-Inyuasha 3
Later-whatever aired after inyuasha 3[/quote]


Exhibit B:

Two Cartoon Network Ads make their presence known on Adult Swim, It happened around 12:00 AM, I know, It's not as worse as those Toonami ads on Adult Swim reminding us what's on an all new Naruto, But Cartoon Network is not supposed to show their advertising on Adult Swim because it is considered a seperate network by them, Another Thing is that Williams Street made no attempt to fix this, They would instantly fix it but instead they just let it run, I wonder why did they run the Cartoon Network ads on their own block?

I don't belive it now, But I'll see that if is true if this ever expands, But the prosper of a new cartoon network is a sight to behold, The merging of Cartoon Network and Adult Swim's shows into a single network and we could also see the possible return of Classic Cartoons but I'm just dreaming here, Post your comments on how this will or not will happen.

Isnt their target audience 25-49?(i know its wayoff, but its somewhat like that) Their audience may have kids, and as a result seeing this comercial, they may suggest their kids to watch it. And dont forget the fact that a lot of CC have adutl humor, like Billy and Mandy.

Now referencing to the bolded part. That makes no sense at all, if anything, it would probally just open up 1:30-5:00am, and Cartoon Cartoons still air on CN, just in the form of cartoon cartoons, and soem cc still air sweperatly as well ,like Billy and Mandy and Ed, Edd n' Eddy

Overal, your specualtiopn is 110% False

[li_mangaman]

Toonami let's us know what's on, which is fine. But now they're telling kids to watch [adult swim]? Interesting.

[J'onn J'onzz]

Plus, i think you dont really watch Toonami to say your claims, Toonami has those bumps about now, next, and later

Here is the 10:30 one

Now-one Piece
Next-Inyuasha 3
Later-whatever aired after inyuasha 3
While it's true that they have those bumpers as well, Toonami DID advertise the InuYasha movie with the little red bumpers in the bottom left corner of the screen, during Bo^7. I really don't see the difference though. Whether they advertise in the corner of the screen, or on full screen bumpers, it's still advertising the same show... And Toonami's been advertising [adult swim] in their bumpers since the first week they moved to Saturdays...

I remember a thread a few years back about Toonami being advertised on [adult swim]. This happens quite often now days, (particularly in the graveyard hour) so why shouldn't CN return the favor.

[TheMecca]

Exhibit B:

Two Cartoon Network Ads make their presence known on Adult Swim, It happened around 12:00 AM, I know, It's not as worse as those Toonami ads on Adult Swim reminding us what's on an all new Naruto, But Cartoon Network is not supposed to show their advertising on Adult Swim because it is considered a seperate network by them, Another Thing is that Williams Street made no attempt to fix this, They would instantly fix it but instead they just let it run, I wonder why did they run the Cartoon Network ads on their own block?

Channels like to advertise on other channels in order to get viewers. I've seen a few CN ads on Nickelodeon, and Disney ads occasionally on Cartoon Network, and so on. So Crazy Speculation B is invalid. However, the big red box at the bottom of the screen bothers me.

[veemonjosh]

Exhibit B:

Two Cartoon Network Ads make their presence known on Adult Swim, It happened around 12:00 AM, I know, It's not as worse as those Toonami ads on Adult Swim reminding us what's on an all new Naruto, But Cartoon Network is not supposed to show their advertising on Adult Swim because it is considered a seperate network by them, Another Thing is that Williams Street made no attempt to fix this, They would instantly fix it but instead they just let it run, I wonder why did they run the Cartoon Network ads on their own block?

Explain to me then how I see CN ads on Nick, Disney, WB, and Fox?

CN ads may have shown up before on AS, it's just that last night, you know, people were actually paying attention.


It's considered a seperate channel in ratings, and anyyway, that is bull anyway. I've seen the Cheese Comercial plenty of times while watching Nick, and i've seen CN air the comercial for the Disney summer games. But when was it beign advertised, 7-9 or 9-11? Give me times.


Both. More obviously during Bo-bobo and One Piece, but it probably began advertising as early as Teen Titans (at 8:00).

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I wouldn't say that's making CN and AS any closer. They're still on the same channel (you don't get much closer) but they'll remain seperate for ratings purposes.

I thought the bug advertising IY Movie 3 was rather interesting. I hope they do the same for Bleach but it's at 12:30AM past several MA shows so I doubt they will.

Toonami has almost always had those "up next" featuring Adult Swim shows at 11PM and 11:30PM but the bug is a new concept. Probably one they expect could be effective. They know 18-34 watch Naruto and most likely the shows after it. I'm not sure what the logic is behind this because usually they don't want younger viewers tuning in to Adult Swim because that can offset the ratings. Maybe they're having a change of heart but if they were... Bleach wouldn't be at freak'n 12:30AM.

[Fan of Sponge]

You still have that theory in your head, SU182? I'm sorry dude, but it's not coming true. I mean look CN and [adult swim] will always be different. CN spilt [adult swim] in ratings last year. CN has invested boatloads of money in those billboards of animated cartoons like Fosters and Bill & Mandy. They also invested in research of finding new animated shows for kids. CN is 2-11 year-olds, Toonami is for 9-18 year-olds, and [adult swim] is for the 18-45 demographic.

CN and [adult swim] aren't coming together, they have slowly splited away from each other since 2001.

[Ykwia]

But it's a possibility that this might happen, My predicidment of CN and AS becoming one is 10% currently. The advertising for the Inuyasha Movie on Toonami and the airing of 2 Cartoon Network ads support my theory, CN and AS becoming one has a slim chance of happening but We'll just have to wait and see.

Oh, And if your wondering why Cartoon Network or Williams Street hasn't made any attempt at fixing or covering it up, I don't know, Ususally they would fix a mistake if an AS ads aired on CN. CN ads aired on AS or a notice for an AS show aired on CN, Cartoon Network or Williams Street would fix the mistake or cover the mistake up. But they didn't do anything to cover it up of fix it, They just let it go it's course, No removing of advertising for The Inuyasha Movie or covering up the CN ads, They would normally do that why didn't they?.

[Mr. Manager]

I've seen the Cheese Comercial plenty of times while watching Nick, and i've seen CN air the comercial for the Disney summer games.
I've seen a few CN ads on Nickelodeon, and Disney ads occasionally on Cartoon Network, and so on.
Explain to me then how I see CN ads on Nick, Disney, WB, and Fox?I'm sure those are put there by your cable or satellite provider (except for WB and MAYBE Fox).

[Draft]

But it's a possibility that this might happen, My predicidment of CN and AS becoming one is 10% currently. The advertising for the Inuyasha Movie on Toonami and the airing of 2 Cartoon Network ads support my theory, CN and AS becoming one has a slim chance of happening but We'll just have to wait and see.

No, not at all. I've seen CN ads on Adult Swim usually once every coupel of days a watch [as], and i can see why(tread my first post if you dotn get why) And your chances of your theory true is -10%


Oh, And if your wondering why Cartoon Network or Williams Street hasn't made any attempt at fixing or covering it up, I don't know, Ususally they would fix a mistake if an AS ads aired on CN.

if they air durring 10pm or later, it makes sense, since naruto and bobo/one piece are lead ins(and a lot of older viewers watch these shows, so it makes sense, and it also proves why cn would rather air naruto at 10pm vs some repeats of cartoon cartoons aimed for younger viewers)


CN ads aired on AS or a notice for an AS show aired on CN, Cartoon Network or Williams Street would fix the mistake or cover the mistake up. But they didn't do anything to cover it up of fix it, They just let it go it's course, No removing of advertising for The Inuyasha Movie or covering up the CN ads, They would normally do that why didn't they?.

Going by what i just said, they have shows that are considered lead ins for the block, therefore it makres sense to air bumps furing that time

And why the hell would they? It's not like CN severly needs the time m,sicne its target audience is sleepin by then..

[Ykwia]

No, not at all. I've seen CN ads on Adult Swim usually once every coupel of days a watch [as], and i can see why(tread my first post if you dotn get why) And your chances of your theory true is -10%



if they air durring 10pm or later, it makes sense, since naruto and bobo/one piece are lead ins(and a lot of older viewers watch these shows, so it makes sense, and it also proves why cn would rather air naruto at 10pm vs some repeats of cartoon cartoons aimed for younger viewers)



Going by what i just said, they have shows that are considered lead ins for the block, therefore it makres sense to air bumps furing that time

And why the hell would they? It's not like CN severly needs the time m,sicne its target audience is sleepin by then..

Right, But your statement counteracts the fact that advertising for Inuyasha: The Movie 3 stated at 8:00 PM during Teen Titans.

and also why CN would air Naruto at 10:00 PM is becuase it would be better to replace those horrid reruns of One Piece, You don't have any proof that CN would rather air Naruto at 10:00 PM rather than the replay of the new episode, CN placed the new episode rerun at 9:00 PM cause kids and us would be able to catch it earlier.

[Draft]

Right, But your statement counteracts the fact that advertising for Inuyasha: The Movie 3 stated at 8:00 PM during Teen Titans.

but the eprson who said that wasnt sure i dotn think, ill hafta re-read, bnut even so, it still gives no reason to cn and [as] becoming one


and also why CN would air Naruto at 10:00 PM is becuase it would be better to replace those horrid reruns of One Piece, You don't have any proof that CN would rather air Naruto at 10:00 PM rather than the replay of the new episode, CN placed the new episode rerun at 9:00 PM cause kids and us would be able to catch it earlier.

I do, Like previous psots ghave said, a lot of adult viewers watch naruto. And what they had run was the week before encores..

[veemonjosh]

but the eprson who said that wasnt sure i dotn think, ill hafta re-read, bnut even so, it still gives no reason to cn and [as] becoming one


Exactly, I wasn't sure. I was personally taking a walk during Teen Titans, but, in the TZ chatroom during Bo-bobo, Sketch mentioned people had seen it earlier.

[Cartoons90]

I don't see it happening, both networks are just so different from one another.

[Ykwia]

Just becuase their diffrent, Doesn't mean they can't be one, There are only a few reasons they could be one, Maybe it could be for ratings purposes, Or it could be to reach a new audience, Either Way, We don't know yet.

[Discloner]

CN and Adult Swim used to be one. They seperated; and thats the way it'll remain. Look...it doesn't make any sense at all for Adult Swim to split from Cartoon Network into it's own 'technical' network- only to smash ratings records and achieve fame amongst it's cable brethren to then fold itself back into Cartoon Network. You see Nick ads during Nick@Nite, but they're not getting any closer to being the same thing; and vice-versa.

Toonami pimps Inuyasha, because quite frankly...if Inuyasha were brand new today- it'd likely be on Toonami rather then Adult Swim. It's got the same fanbase, more or less, then the pre-teens and teens whom watch Naruto (amongst others); and it doesn't take a genius to realize that. Cartoon Network and Adult Swim, while different networks, still follow the same management (after all; isn't Cartoon Network New Media the new big bosses behind AS.com?) and both have a vested interest in each other's success.

[bigddan11]

Explain to me then how I see CN ads on Nick, Disney, WB, and Fox?

Samurai Quack nailed this one right on the number. Local cable networks are paid extra to advertise rivals on other networks. Usually it occurs with a digital promotion package. The one exception on those networks would be CN and WB. These two networks are sister networks. They are both part of the Time Warner conglomerate. You see them promote TNT shows on TBS, CN, CNN, sometimes WB, etc. because they are sister networks, and it doesn't matter which of their networks your watching. They have the same sponsors, so they get the same amount of money.


Exhibit A:

Inuyasha The Movie 3 was being advertised during Toonami, I mean it, They advertised it during the shows, on a kids network and most of all, It's running on Adult Swim. and as we all know, Adult Swim can not be known on Cartoon Network because it's considered a seperate channel, The advertising appeared in the bottom left corner where they'd usally show advertisements for other shows, It literaly said.

"Inuyasha The Movie 3
11:00 PM
DON'T MISS IT!"

I'm curious about that becuase why would they advertise that on Toonami, A block on the Cartoon Network, Furthermore, Why would they advertise on a network that's considered Adult Swim to be another channel?

This is done for the same reason that shows like Ben 10 are advertised during the last half hour of AS, and sometimes on other parts of the network. Simply put, by advertising what'll air on CN, they are letting the parents know what there kids can watch. Oftentimes parents like to watch shows with their kids. Blocks, like Toonami, have some crossover demographics with Adult Swim, so they advertise each other for the same reason. In reality, the only thing that seperates AS and CN is #1- the name and #2- the ratings. They both have the same programmers working for the same company, so why wouldn't they want to promote each other?

[Duke]

I thought the reason Toonami had bugs/notices/whatever for AS was because the guys and gals at Toonami are still great friends with the guys/gals at Williams Street (many of the older members once belonging for Toonami) and they figure "Hey, most of our fanbases watch both blocks, so why not advertise?"

I fail to see how this is anything more than Williams Street people being pals with each other.

[Zyzzybalubah]

Exhibit B:

Two Cartoon Network Ads make their presence known on Adult Swim, It happened around 12:00 AM, I know, It's not as worse as those Toonami ads on Adult Swim reminding us what's on an all new Naruto, But Cartoon Network is not supposed to show their advertising on Adult Swim because it is considered a seperate network by them, Another Thing is that Williams Street made no attempt to fix this, They would instantly fix it but instead they just let it run, I wonder why did they run the Cartoon Network ads on their own block?

I don't belive it now, But I'll see that if is true if this ever expands, But the prosper of a new cartoon network is a sight to behold, The merging of Cartoon Network and Adult Swim's shows into a single network and we could also see the possible return of Classic Cartoons but I'm just dreaming here, Post your comments on how this will or not will happen.

I've seen an ad for "Totally Atomic" once on CNN. Remember, that hour block of Totally Spies and Atomic Betty? Yes, I'm not lying I saw an add for the little girl action hour on CNN. Two completely different audiences, lol. But yeah, like others say, parents have kids and by seeing these ads that might interest them into having their children viewing those programs.

As for ads of Adult Swim on Toonami, unless we start seeing regular "watch Tom Goes to the Mayor" or "watch Moral Orel" during CCF or some other non-Toonami block, then we might have some questions.

CN ads are everywhere. Fox, CNN, Comedy Central, Nickelodeon, etc. They just want to be a widely recognized network. Also, I can see CN mixing things with Adult Swim in the future if they pick up something like The Simpsons. A show like that would have airings during CN and Adult Swim, that's for sure.

[Draft]

Exactly, I wasn't sure. I was personally taking a walk during Teen Titans, but, in the TZ chatroom during Bo-bobo, Sketch mentioned people had seen it earlier.

okay, thansk for confirming that

but still that is gettign off the point, it makes no sense whatsoever, and your speculation is dead wrong

[Wanted]

Also, I can see CN mixing things with Adult Swim in the future if they pick up something like The Simpsons. A show like that would have airings during CN and Adult Swim, that's for sure.Yeah, right. Next to all the local syndication it's had over the years and the DVD sets coming out, who would want to pick it up? Unlike Family Guy, The Simpsons has little to gain from cable syndication.


I fail to see how this is anything more than Williams Street people being pals with each other.And, I fail to see it that way. The only explanation that makes sense to me is bigddan11's. If what he says is correct, maybe the folks at Adult Swim are chums with Higgins, too.

Ben 10 Oz. Mouse, anyone?

Advertising is just that, and promos are the same: graphics and/or sound amalgamated to promote programming on a certain network. What time of day it comes on is of no consequence. Who knows? Maybe the Adult Swim ≠ Cartoon Network guidelines are loosening up. Nevertheless, this is Toonami we're talking about. Kids who watch it probably already watch Adult Swim, anyhow.

[peacebyanymeans]

I have a crazy idea! Maybe VIZ asked CN to promote it during Toonami a little more. The highest rated show on Toonami is VIZ's, and I'm sure VIZ wouldn't mind teens buying the their Inuyasha Movies.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

I don't see why they would merge back together, AS might have just paid them to have that bug air during Toonami.

[Red]

This thread has been closed for clean-up, once everything settles, I will reopen this thread.

[Red]

This is a good thread, which is why I'm reopening it. I've cleaned all the off-topic posts up. Thank you guys for trying to control things...even if it didn't work. Thanks to the people who tried to keep this thread on topic.

Now, AS and Cartoon Network becoming closer as one network. Back to topic.

[Zach]

I think that AS should have it's own channel. CN is more geared towards a general audience of all ages, while a seperate channel could allow AS to be truely adult. I think that being even a late-night CN block is hampering it's potential because of the possiblity of young kids watching the shows.

[Ykwia]

That's what's CN been saying since, They would make Adult Swim seperate channel, Problem is that they don't have enough content to start a network, They only have like 16 comedy shows and 25 action shows, Another problem with the network is that it will be available in a few households like Boomerang, This will make most people leave Adult Swim and most cable networks won't carry the Adult Swim network.

Now the benefits of being one network is that they can share shows, This gives more diversity than showing reruns of Fosters, Camp Lazlo, KND, Gym Partner, and Ed, Edd & Eddy, Billy & Mandy, We can have diffrent shows every day instead of the same shows. Another thing about being one network is that it can work for all ages, The look can apeal to kids and adults everywhere and the scheduling could work for all ages. Another thing with being one network is that Classic Cartoons can make a comeback, Yes, With a new look comes another chance to make the network reach the top, This could mean the possible return of Classic Cartoons like MGM, WB, and more and the return of certian shows like Toonheads. These are most of the benefits of being one network.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I would love to see CN and AS work together more and coordinate their efforts but Toonami promoting the Inuyasha movie and CN ads airing on AS really don't give much of an indication that they will be doing that. They should, but for whatever reason CN is still hung up on being just a kid's network rather than the best animation network it can be. Them's the breaks. Your theory is interesting and I'm willing to consider it but I'll need more evidence before I'll believe CN is going to go back to the all ages format.

[Draft]

That's what's CN been saying since, They would make Adult Swim seperate channel, Problem is that they don't have enough content to start a network, They only have like 16 comedy shows and 25 action shows, Another problem with the network is that it will be available in a few households like Boomerang, This will make most people leave Adult Swim and most cable networks won't carry the Adult Swim network.

Isnt that about the same number of shows jetix has?, which takes up a minimum of 2/3rds on Toon Disney a day?

But im confused, so what do you want them to do? Get rid of the Adult Swim brand and just air the shows non-block, thats just silly and stupid


Now the benefits of being one network is that they can share shows, This gives more diversity than showing reruns of Fosters, Camp Lazlo, KND, Gym Partner, and Ed, Edd & Eddy, Billy & Mandy, We can have diffrent shows every day instead of the same shows. Another thing about being one network is that it can work for all ages, The look can apeal to kids and adults everywhere and the scheduling could work for all ages. Another thing with being one network is that Classic Cartoons can make a comeback, Yes, With a new look comes another chance to make the network reach the top, This could mean the possible return of Classic Cartoons like MGM, WB, and more and the return of certian shows like Toonheads. These are most of the benefits of being one network.

But your missing a point here, they will be getting late night times, times that are too late for about ages 2-11, which is pretty much the basic CN Demographic, thats why nickelodeon beings nick @ night at 9pm and Disney channel had Vault Disney at 10pm, because its a sign for parents and kids that its time to go to sleep and blah

Its already appealing to both Kids and Adults, Pre-Schoolers can watch the Tickle-U block(i know its dead so dont spam abotu that), Kids watch Cartoon Cartoons and Fridays, tweens watch miguzi and cc and fridays, and Teenagers watch Toonami and some of Adult Swim, and Adults Watch Adult Swim. So why disrupt this pattern, which works nicely?

remember, Toonheads can show limited episodes since they lost the pre-48 cartoons..., and anyways, they would be on at 3am or some time like that just like it is now on Boomerang. Cartoon Cartoons wont really benefit from this other than having airtiems at times like 2am abd such. Plus it would be a really dumb movie in my opinion, because adult swim gets a little thing called RATINGS!!! Im sure every time slot if you compare monday to friday from 12:00-6:00, [as] wins every timeslot, even Pee-Wee over IGPX.

Classic Cartoons Belong on Boomerang(other than tom and jerry, sicne that is never going to leave) so boomerang needs to schedule looney tuenes into i'ts schedule, and if you want to see these cartoons so bad, why dont you buy the godlen collection sets for looney tunes, spot light collections for tom and jerry, and pettion for the mgm cartoons, because they probally wont be commign to cn and maybe not even boomerang anytime soon

[Andrew T. Hingson]

That's the thing though... the pattern doesn't work that nicely. When they were an all ages network they had higher viewership than they do now and Nick is always (and I do mean always) slaughtering them for 6-11 ratings. Taking some measures to be more all ages would most likely improve CN's ratings.

[Mr. Manager]

Taking some measures to be more all ages would most likely improve CN's ratings.Definately. CN needs to be more of an all-age animation network than a Nick clone, but with Samples and Higgins, we know it's not gonna happen (for now, at least). They need less marathons and more variety. A good 33.33% (or at least it used to be) of CN's viewers are adults. By alienating those viewers, they're just shooting themselves in the foot. Jeff Harris said it great.

It's time for Cartoon Network to shed its pseudo-Nick persona and reemerge as the alternative entertainment outlet. Not just the alternative to Nick, but the alternative to USA. The alternative to MTV. The alternative to everything that's out there. An outlet for youthful rebellion as well as respect for the past. A network that embodies the best of a true global artform. The world's first animation channel needs to tell (and show) the world that they're also the best.
In fact I wouldn't mind if AS was considered a part of Cartoon Network in the ratings again. Not only that but I wouldn't if they started using the CN logo as well and use a new bumper style which would also include classic and AS characters. It also would be nice to have Home Movies in prime time and no bumpers that make an adult viewer embarrased for watching CN. I'd also be nice to have Toonheads, Looney Tunes, Flinstones, Popeye, Toonheads, The Bob Clampet Show, The Tex Avery Show, The Chuck Jones Show, and The Brak Show (which is pretty tame) on primetime. But no stuff like this will happen with the management CN has right now.