Anime and nudity. The debate.

[I.R Joey]

I've just noticed that the more anime I watch, the more I see that there doesn't seem to be as big a problem with showing nudity, as there is in the west. And I'm not talking about Hentai, or even sexual stuff, or "service" quite frankly I'm just talking about portrails of the human body. Perfect example is fantasy Shojo for this thread I'll use the example of the Magic Knight's Rayearth transformation sequance, nothing reall sensual about it at all, but they're naked.

Okay now to be relevant. I was sitting in my school's art club one day and watch episode 14 I believe of Eva (it's the one where the Angel infiltrates Nerv Headquarters) and some of my freind's kept on telling my instructure that I was watching porn, I assured her that I wasn't. But then came one of the scenes where they show the Eva pilots (Auska in particualr) sitting in the cockpit, and she was naked. Suddenly they made a big scene about how this was porn, and they kept on rewinding the scene over and over, yelling porn.

Another example would be the original Bubblegum Crisis, where someone told me that I shouldn't buy it because it had nudity in it, now the way they made it sound, it had a conotation similar to.

"Ohhh there's a pretty raunchy sec scene in that thing, man!!!"

Naturally this made my parents kind of cautious, and made me seem like the bad guy (now add to the fact that my sister, and mother harped on me for drawing a naked women when I was doing an anatomical study of the human form.)

I think I've admited this before, but I am a Christian and such overt displays of sensuality just don't suit me at all. Further added anyone who knows me knows that I'm not the kind of person who just lusts after every nice looking female I see (honestly I think I'm the only person who bought Dead or Alive 2 looking for a good fighter.)

Anyhow, have you guys had this happen to you?

[Terminatah]

I am torn in a debate like this because I hate anime, but I love nudity. Our society is too uptight about nudity. There should be a naked time. I am drafting a movie script about a modern-day heroine who fights evil legislations. It's called Naked Sex Party.

-Terminatah

[Calhoun07]

LOL at the rewinding it over and over again. Sounds rather childish to me, on their part.

I just wonder how much nudity these people view in R rated movies and such? That are not porn, just movies with nudity in it. Why do people have such an adverse reaction to anime?

[kiddiesunshine]

anime is in another world compared to western animation.
a lot of it is too sophisticated for the cow and chicken generation.

[Terminatah]

My disgust with anime has nothing to do with sophistication, I just think it's a real ugly way to animate stories. And a lot of the time, these "realistic" characters look totally unreal and indistinctive. You know how sometimes when you're sick, you have fevered dreams that make no sense, but you're still scared and distressed by what's happening? I think anime is kinda like that.

-Terminatah

[JustJack]

Take Tenchi Muyo for example. Ryoko is all sorts of Naked. But, she's never doing anything real sensual...drinking saki(SP?), or lathering up. Sure, it's a bit jiggly when she starts fighting naked(hehe), but its just nothing really.
Then again...its enough to make a parent spaz out.
Compare that to something like in Master of Mosquiton(one of my absolute favorites). It is not porn. Of the entire series, there are only 2 episodes with real nudity. And only one episode which can be concidered "fan service"(His wife comes to the shop....the other girl is in the bath...yeah). But, thats one episode.

I guess it varies from series.

[electricsheep]

I'm not exactly sure what the "debate" here is. Obviously nudity in anime isn't porn and usually isn't gratuitous, especially when compared to actual Hollywood R rated movies.

The Japanese are more mature about nudity and it isn't as big of a problem as people make it here...

[Batmex]

Tell your friends that if they wanna see porn they can watch:

WWF!!

NOW THAT'S AMERICAN GARBAGE!!! :mad:

it shows women there almost naked and doing dirty things! :mad:

I'm a big fan of anime and nudity is not big of a deal.

wich is worst?:

the very little nudity on Eva vs some "talk shows" ex: Jerry Springer.

[langden alger]

for the record, most of the wwf's womens matches are garbage yes. but the wwf is not garbage.

[Maxie Zeus]

Out of curiosity, how much anime contains male nudity?

[Deltamon]

With some exceptions-albeit FEW exceptions, male nudity is seen less than female nudity.

Which might as well be none, since most male charas outside of a hentai anime tend to be cut below the belt, if you know what I mean.


Speaking of hentai anime....what's the point of pixelating a teeeeeny tiny portion of the, erm, ritual if you can a) see EXACLY what they're doing and b) A G-string leaves less to the imagination than those pixel boxes.

...For the record, NO, I don't watch hentai on a regular basis-or at all, really. Just assumed this from Doujinshis and screenshots.


...That ain't helping :o :eek: :eek:

[Evil Dr. Reef]

Here's a good tip:
Never, EVER watch the series Photon while a parent or signifigant other may be around.
Same thing with Jungle De Ikou.
And, no, these are not based on personal experiences.

[kiddiesunshine]

are you sure???

[killercroc]

What is Service?

[Evil Dr. Reef]

Originally posted by killercroc
What is Service?
John, of the "Ask John" columns at AnimeNation.com defines Fan Service this way:

"Fan service" refers to mild, exploitive titillation, such as the common cleavage shots in Evangelion, and the shower scenes that were a common staple of 80s anime OAVs. It`s a mild, "innocent" caveat for the male fans that want to see just a little bit more of their favorite female anime characters. Thus the animators provide this little "service" for the fans."

Sounds about right to me.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus
Out of curiosity, how much anime contains male nudity?

Nothing below the belt, unless it's hentai anime. There was an anime TV show that aired on UPN once, Teknoman, which had a male character who had to go into his armour suit naked. No genital shots, but there were a couple of scenes where he came out of the suit naked, and the female cast would blush if they happened to be around.


"Fan Service" gets more attention than it should. There is everyday fan service in most American live action shows as well as anime. Buffy skipping rope is fan service. Buffy with a low cut shirt is fan service. Baywatch is fan service.

You get the idea.

[I.R Joey]

You're very right Larry dude, but you see the thing is that people seem to react diffrently when they see fan service in a cartoon, then when they do they think it's porn, even though they wouldn't call something like Dark Angel porn.

And make no mistake fan service isn't just for guys, I ask you to look at GundamW. What other argument do I need.

[JustJack]

A good example of Fan Service would be Faye Valentine, from Cowboy Bebop. A notable episode, would be "Ballad of Fallen Angels". She's pretty...uhm..."jiggly" the entire series..but in this episode..sheesh! I think that much 'jiggly' is against the laws of physics...


Originally posted by I.R Joey
And make no mistake fan service isn't just for guys, I ask you to look at GundamW. What other argument do I need.

Hehehe....arguement? Duo. I knew he was a guy the whole time, but way to many people think he's a girl. :eek: Hehe, and there's a funny story about that...there's this guy I know...he thought Duo was a girl. Infact, he had an interesting picture. He printed it off the computer. One day, he brought it in. He pointed to that "hot girl, kissing Heero". I waited about a week or two before telling him the truth. :p I just fear what he might have done with that picture... :eek:

[Zorakfan]

*shudder*

Ewww...I need to go wash my imagry now.

[Mr. Unspeakable]

To answer Deltamon's question, I believe that the law is they're not allowed to show pubic hair under any circumstances. This also applies to "adult" shows and movies. Now, I heard this a few years back, and they may have changed the law by now, but that's all I know on the subject, honest! ;)

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by Mr. Unspeakable
To answer Deltamon's question, I believe that the law is they're not allowed to show pubic hair under any circumstances. This also applies to "adult" shows and movies. Now, I heard this a few years back, and they may have changed the law by now, but that's all I know on the subject, honest! ;)

No, you can show pubic hair now. "Perfect Blue" is a recent example, and most hentai shows aren't "fuzzed" out.

And yes, I'll admit that I have seen a few hentai shows, even some around my girlfriend.

[Frodo]

Im All For It, I Would Love To See A Set Of **** on Sailor Moon or Something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[Lord Dalek]

Im All For It, I Would Love To See A Set Of **** on Sailor Moon or Something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D Watch the unedited transformation sequence. And one exclaimation point is enough kid.

[Frodo]

I'll Add All The ****ing Exclamation Points I Want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
Watch the unedited transformation sequence. And one exclaimation point is enough kid.

[Go-chin]

Fanserice isn't just nudity or "pretty" characters.

Fanservice is ANYTHING that pleases fans.

In giant robot shows, it could be technical stats.
Violent shows, it's huge geysers of blood.

Stuff like that.

[Karl Olson]

I'll Add All The ****ing Exclamation Points I Want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Calm down. Officially. Especially with excessive exclamation.

(A Note from your friendly, local Anime Forum moderator.)

Anyway. I think nudity in anime really depends on the situation. Some times it's gratuitious in tasteless, other times it's plot/atmosphere essential. Eva's an example of both in a sense. There are some blantant service shots (and they gainax is proud of them,) but their are also some instances story/character/plot important nudity in the show as well.

And, btw fan service does mean pretty much anything done in excess to please fans. However, there are some great shows/movies that break out of that entirely (Haibane Renmei, Angel's Egg, Mousou.)

[Groovy Dudette]

I know I'm gunna get flamed...:rolleyes:

To me, fanservice is just obnoxious. I could watch an anime and just when I think I like it...some girl with almost no clothes on comes and for me tottaly ruins the anime. I know thats not the case for a lot of you but for ME its just like..."WHY??" Why throw random fanservice scenes in when the anime was fine the way it was.

I just find fanservice tottaly unnessesary even disturbing at times. Yes it can be funny but mostly its just not nessesary, in my opinion.

To me its frusterating...and its frusterating to know that a lot of people here who don't agree with me will flame me for my opinion. :rolleyes:

So thats what I think of fanservice. Its annoying, its unnsessesary, and its something I don't enjoy seeing when I try to watch a new anime.

....thats my rant for the day.

-Groovy

[Karl Olson]

I know I'm gunna get flamed...:rolleyes:

To me, fanservice is just obnoxious. I could watch an anime and just when I think I like it...some girl with almost no clothes on comes and for me tottaly ruins the anime. I know thats not the case for a lot of you but for ME its just like..."WHY??" Why throw random fanservice scenes in when the anime was fine the way it was.

I just find fanservice tottaly unnessesary even disturbing at times. Yes it can be funny but mostly its just not nessesary, in my opinion.

To me its frusterating...and its frusterating to know that a lot of people here who don't agree with me will flame me for my opinion. :rolleyes:

So thats what I think of fanservice. Its annoying, its unnsessesary, and its something I don't enjoy seeing when I try to watch a new anime.

....thats my rant for the day.

-Groovy

Legitimate response, but it begs a particular question. Would you take issue with the fanservice if it were centered around male characters, as it is in some shoujo series?

[Groovy Dudette]

Legitimate response, but it begs a particular question. Would you take issue with the fanservice if it were centered around male characters, as it is in some shoujo series?
O.o....

Nope...lol thats even more disturbing >_<

[Eddie G.]

RAMBLE]People are naked, why does have to be treated like something dirty? We all get naked, most people are at least naked two times a day. We are naked, that is what we are. Hell in Genesis if you interpret it right it says clothes and being ashamed of nudity was the work of Satan. Of course nudity cannot make sense, people being naked because it's cool to see boobs brings down the work on a whole. For example in the play Frankie and Johnny both characters are naked because they just made love, makes sense. In another play Winter Time the entire cast moons the audience ... doesn't make sense. So nudity by nature is not bad, of course not. However if the nudity is pointless it is the same thing as someone getting the head blown off for no good reason.

However even in some cases where nudity may not be needed like shower scenes for example, it can exist and not lesser the art because it makes sense. The character showers, we all shower. It is the same thing like they just showed a scene with the character eating breakfast, something not needed to the plot, but makes complete sense in context.[/RAMBLE]

[PaQ]

I see nothing wrong with FanService. I've seen many a show with it in it, and it hasn't ruined any series for me. I don't watch the shows for it, but it doesn't hurt. ;) ..

Seriously though, I don't watch a show because of it, or not watch it because of it.. I'll watch the anime as long as the story and characters are good, I could care less if there's blatant shots, or subtle ones.. those don't decide if i'll watch the show or not.

Besides whenever i hear a series has some type of fanservice, to me that tells me it's trying to do something different to get attention.. (nevermind the fact that fanservice exists a lot..) and I'll look more into that specific show.. but if it isn't a good show I won't usually continue it.

For example. I've seen some of the Eiken OVA.. that has plenty of fanservice.. but I didn't really like it because I felt bad for that girl.. whose name I've forgotten... So the fanservice in that, didn't affect how I felt on the show..

But that's just me.

[Karl Olson]

O.o....

Nope...lol thats even more disturbing >_<

Ok, atleast you're being fair to everyone :anime:

[Arxane]

Legitimate response, but it begs a particular question...
AAAAAAAAAAAAA- *please click here (http://www.wsu.edu/%7Ebrians/errors/begs.html)* -AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH...

Okay, I'm done. Sorry about that. The writer in me can be unpredictable sometimes. :sweat:

Anyway, I'm Christian and I have a problem with nudity. I see the human body as a beautiful creation, not something that should be hidden away because it's "ugly and grotesque". Yes, there are some things young people shouldn't see, but to cast the human body in an almost negative light just cheapens it somehow. Americans need to learn that seeing nudity isn't bad (it's getting addicted to nudity that can be a problem); that way, people won't cause an overzealous and unnecessary uproar when Janet Jackson .

As for fanservice, I have no problem watching a show that "titilates" me every now and then. It's when the show is [i]only fanservice that I don't appreciate it. "Evangelion" I can stand, but please don't let "Mouse" anywhere near me.

And for the record, while I have seen a little bit of hentai here and there, I don't particularly enjoy it.

[MrBananagrabber]

As far as nudity goes, and this isn't just anime, but in film and TV, if it serves a purpose, then it's fine. But if it's showing a closeup of a ridiculously proportioned girl's breasts in the middle of a scene for no reason other than to show a closeup of a ridiculously proportioned girl's breasts,then it gets on my nerves.

Like all nudity, as long as it's tasteful, it's fine.

[True Noir]

Not all anime have nudity in it. Anyway, nudity is in many other things besides anime. So for ppl who do acuse anime of being porn are completely ignorant.

[Lord Dalek]

Nudity in anime doesn't bother me at all. In fact nudity in some films enriches the experience more or less (End of Eva for instance).

[Roger Smith]

Nudity:its like watching someone Naked
HAVENT YOU WATCH YOURSELF NAKED FOR LOVE SAKE? OR YOU HAVE A GIANT BLACK BLOCK WHILE YOUR TAKING A BATH PINCHI'S GUEYES DE SERVICIO AL FAN QUE ESTAN TARADOS
Anime:GUNDAM... GUNDAM... BIG O... ROBOTS KILLING SOMETHING STRANGE NEWTYPES BLAH BLAH BLAH SOMETHING THAT HAS KILLING GOOD ULTRA MECH RAWR RAWR OR SOME GUY WHO CAN DO MAGIC WITH GUNS AND KILL PEOPLE OR HAVE A SPACE SHIP AND LIVE IN SPACE DONT YOU THINK ITS AMAZING HOW PEOPLE DRAW ANIME THERE.

i run out of i deas.

[CookieS]

This debate is pretty generic and doesn't even have a solution. As many people have stated....nudity, language, and innuendo are all choices a filmmaker makes in the process to support ideas they're trying to get across. Asking if we think it should be allowed is like asking a painter if we think he should paint with all the colors.....or just some. Unless you're the one creating a piece, you shouldn't have a say in how some programs are created. Sure, we can all play couch potato critics, but our opinions are a dime a dozen. For this very reason, things such as the ratings systems and warning lables were invented. Some people like more mature entertainment. Some don't. This thread is not going to unify everyone's thinking. Nor will it bring us any farther than the common agreement the public has had for over 60 years..."to each their own".

The "debate" isn't even about nudity at all, its about artistic freedom. Should someone be allowed to show someone (or a representation of someone, as in animation) nude or exposed on camera? Yes. Is there a market for it? Yes. Do you have to watch it? No. Time to move on.

[Lord Dalek]

Nudity:its like watching someone Naked
HAVENT YOU WATCH YOURSELF NAKED FOR LOVE SAKE? OR YOU HAVE A GIANT BLACK BLOCK WHILE YOUR TAKING A BATH PINCHI'S GUEYES DE SERVICIO AL FAN QUE ESTAN TARADOS
Anime:GUNDAM... GUNDAM... BIG O... ROBOTS KILLING SOMETHING STRANGE NEWTYPES BLAH BLAH BLAH SOMETHING THAT HAS KILLING GOOD ULTRA MECH RAWR RAWR OR SOME GUY WHO CAN DO MAGIC WITH GUNS AND KILL PEOPLE OR HAVE A SPACE SHIP AND LIVE IN SPACE DONT YOU THINK ITS AMAZING HOW PEOPLE DRAW ANIME THERE.

i run out of i deas.
It's settled, Roger Smith wins the debate.

[j32885]

Again, I'm also used to seeing generic nude scenes in any anime.

Examples: Girls of Sailor Moon transforming in Sailor Scouts (Uncut), bathing scenes of Kagome from Inu Yasha, and now (Uncut) bathing scenes during Tenchi Muyo! on International Channel.

To call ALL Anime Porn is just plain stupid. I guess the people you work with Joey, have not seen a lot of anime. Give them a few good series that does not have a lot of nudity it.

Start them off on 2 Adult Swim shows such as Cowboy Bebop & Trigun.

[Roger Smith]

And Roger Smith Ultimate debate Attack..
Fan Service is to Please the Fan so the anime creator can roll in cash and eat cash when ever he wants and Say THANKS TO YOU I HAVE LOTS OF BUCKS FAN SERVICE BUCK BUCK BUCKS I HAVE A SWIMING POOL FULL OF CASHE BILLETITO VERDE.. AND I DONT CARE IF FAN SERVICE IS BAD WHY THE HECK DOES IT RUIN A ANIME CANT YOU ERASE IT FOR GOD SAKE. ITS NOT LIEK IF THE WORLD WAS GOING TO END OK. IF THE WORLD ENDS WE WILL SEE NUCLEAR WAR HEADS ALL OVER AND BLAMING ANIME CREATORS FOR MAKING FAN SERVICE AND DONT YOU THINK FAN SERVICE IS AN ITERESTING THING THANKS TO FAN SERVICE CREATOR OF ANIME ROLLS IN CASH SWIMS OVER HIS CASH EAT SOME BILLETE VERDE CASHE SALAD AND STEAK MADE FROM AMURO BRAIN AND NEWTYPE SPIRIT PART OF A HEALTHY BREAKFEAST

That was roger smith ultimate debate attack please stand back

[Ben]

AAAAAAAAAAAAA- *please click here (http://www.wsu.edu/%7Ebrians/errors/begs.html)* -AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH...

Honestly, that is getting old. The colloquial usage of the term "begs the question" is different from its usage as a rhetorical term. One usage is no more legitimate than the other in this context.

On-topic, umm...

Yay boobs.

[True Noir]

yeh, seriously it is not a big deal at all compared to many MANY other things.

[Evil Dr. Reef]

This thread has gone to hell in a handbasket. I'm not sure if it's back yet.

[Chris Wood]

(http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=1151991#post1151991)Anime and nudity. The debate. (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=1151991#post1151991)

(http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=1151991#post1151991)

What's the debate? As Austin Powers might say:

"Anime and nudity?
Yes, please!"

[Roman Legion]

Honestly, that is getting old. The colloquial usage of the term "begs the question" is different from its usage as a rhetorical term. One usage is no more legitimate than the other in this context.

The English language is like a sponge in a blender. Or something like that. It's pointless to resist, unless one is writing a technical paper.


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[shogunthethird]

didn't we just have this debate superbowl weekend? only it wasn't about anime

on that note, nothing wrong with fanservice in context, even if the context is obligatory fanservice for the sake of making fun of people who throw fanservice in for no reason (for example see Excel Saga epsiode "increase ratings week") I mean hell look at any teen sex romp and let me just say given the choice, I'd rather look at a naked female body than a naked male one any day of the week, (hell I see one every time I look in the mirror either before or after I take a shower and lemme tell ya....it ain't pretty)

[Classic Speedy]

on that note, nothing wrong with fanservice in context, even if the context is obligatory fanservice for the sake of making fun of people who throw fanservice in for no reason (for example see Excel Saga epsiode "increase ratings week") Or, for an example with actual nudity (as episode 8 is merely revealing attire), episode 26, "Going Way Too Far". :eek: I kinda agree- nudity is really only worthwhile if it deals with the plot (haven't seen NGE, but apparently it plays some kind of role there, as previously stated) or if it's used for humor (e.g. all the butt shots on The Simpsons). But shower scenes are pointless and pandering. Just because people shower in real life, does that mean they bring a camera in the bathroom with them and make suggestive poses? I think not. :shrug:

[superfreak]

I see nothing wrong with nudity in anime. In many series, characters lose their colthing went they transform into more powerful form of themselves. Also, showing nude scene is also up to the artist. I noticed that nude scene is drawn by both female and male artists, so I don't think its a sexist theme.

[Ben]

I see nothing wrong with nudity in anime. In many series, characters lose their colthing went they transform into more powerful form of themselves. Also, showing nude scene is also up to the artist. I noticed that nude scene is drawn by both female and male artists, so I don't think its a sexist theme.

Just because women draw it too doesn't mean it's not sexist. Black people were in minstrel shows, after all.

[jeffrey 228]

Well I will give my point in Nudity in certian anime, I will although say that I don't like all that Hentai or Nude stuff, it is just down right nonsense on my side of the story, now when it get's shown on many shows, I usually just ignore it and stuff, not a big deal with it, although I am old enough to see it, I just think that Nudity just does not fit well with me in most times.

[Weatherman]

Hey, if it's apropriate to the scene, I'm all for it overall. Even if it's male nuduty, gotta give the fan girls something to work with, heh.:cool:



I suppose it should be stated that while sexual nudity is looked at in Japan pretty much the same way it is here, they don;t see all nudity as being sexual in nature. Me like this view point.:anime: [/F.Y.I.][raise egg sheild]

[Chris Wood]

I kinda agree- nudity is really only worthwhile if it deals with the plot (haven't seen NGE, but apparently it plays some kind of role there, as previously stated) or if it's used for humor (e.g. all the butt shots on The Simpsons). But shower scenes are pointless and pandering. Just because people shower in real life, does that mean they bring a camera in the bathroom with them and make suggestive poses? I think not. :shrug:
??? So if there were a scene with hot naked coeds cavorting in the shower room you'd be thinking:

"What does this have to do with the story? This is pointless."

That, I think, would be missing the point.

[SSJPabs]

??? So if there were a scene with hot naked coeds cavorting in the shower room you'd be thinking:

"What does this have to do with the story? This is pointless."

That, I think, would be missing the point. Well you can roll your eyes and groan thats it out of place, gratuituous and a waste of money, that doesn't mean you can't still enjoy it.

[Classic Speedy]

??? So if there were a scene with hot naked coeds cavorting in the shower room you'd be thinking:

"What does this have to do with the story? This is pointless."

That, I think, would be missing the point. I'm not against a scene that doesn't progress the story; many times scenes from movies have characters sitting around talking to show a window into their personality. Shower scenes, on the other hand, don't do anything except titilate the viewer, which I'm well aware is the point. Which is why I said it was pandering. Sure, it may be hot, but if I wanted to watch anime to get turned on, I'd watch ecchi (which I don't).

[Eddie G.]

I'm not against a scene that doesn't progress the story; many times scenes from movies have characters sitting around talking to show a window into their personality. Shower scenes, on the other hand, don't do anything except titilate the viewer, which I'm well aware is the point. Which is why I said it was pandering. Sure, it may be hot, but if I wanted to watch anime to get turned on, I'd watch ecchi (which I don't).What about the shower scene in Daredevil which showed all of his scars. Or in Psycho the shower scene represented her washing away her sins. Actually while it may not be nudity, the two scenes where we see the character in her panties hold a specific point. Actually shower scene often represent the washing away of sin, trying to forget something, they also show the character as human. Seeing the character naked bathing shows something very human something vulnerable. So shower scenes can do more than turn people on.

[Classic Speedy]

What about the shower scene in Daredevil which showed all of his scars. Or in Psycho the shower scene represented her washing away her sins. Actually while it may not be nudity, the two scenes where we see the character in her panties hold a specific point. Actually shower scene often represent the washing away of sin, trying to forget something, they also show the character as human. Seeing the character naked bathing shows something very human something vulnerable. So shower scenes can do more than turn people on. Well I mean with Psycho it's also part of the plot- I mean she gets stabbed in the shower!

[shogunthethird]

I dunno, I do some of my best thinking in a nice hot shower,

[Kesh]

Hehehe....arguement? Duo. I knew he was a guy the whole time, but way to many people think he's a girl. :eek: Hehe, and there's a funny story about that...there's this guy I know...he thought Duo was a girl. Infact, he had an interesting picture. He printed it off the computer. One day, he brought it in. He pointed to that "hot girl, kissing Heero". I waited about a week or two before telling him the truth. :p I just fear what he might have done with that picture... :eek:

Mmm, yaoi. :D

[ClockStomper]

My disgust with anime has nothing to do with sophistication, I just think it's a real ugly way to animate stories. And a lot of the time, these "realistic" characters look totally unreal and indistinctive. You know how sometimes when you're sick, you have fevered dreams that make no sense, but you're still scared and distressed by what's happening? I think anime is kinda like that.

-Terminatah
Eh, depends if it's the typical "Off the conveyor belt" stuff that the major studios produce. Stuff like "Big O" dosen't look all that different than 1940s noir comments (at least in Season 1, when the budget wasn't crappy.)

[Classic Speedy]

Forgive me, I wasn't very specific in my posts earlier. Let me state an excellent example of an unnecessary shower scene: Mai's from Fatal Fury:TMP. Sure, it's hot (I mean I'm not gonna deny that- I AM a heterosexual male, after all. :p ), but is it really needed? The tone of the scene is not even a case of washing away sin or showing vulnerability (like Blue Wolf pointed out, and which is true); it's completely sexual. Granted, this is an anime based on a game, so maybe that's STILL a bad example... Nevertheless, it feels out of place. Hopefully I've made more sense and not come off sounding like a prude like I probably did earlier today. :sweat:

[Viper]

Well, I don't watch that much anime but I have seen a little nudity...the Dirty Pair ep where one of them (forgot their names) opened her blouse to breast-feed a baby.:eek: All I did was immediately change the channel. So, if there's something I find too risque, I just either close my eyes or change the channel. I like to experiment with anime.

As for shower scenes, I don't care for them at all. Even though, the scenes weren't too bad in both Street Fighter and Tekken movies.

If it's all the same, I'd rather see a lovely young woman take a relaxing bubble bath.;) Namely, Faye Valentine in the Toys in the Attic ep.

[lostrune]

Well, I don't watch that much anime but I have seen a little nudity...the Dirty Pair ep where one of them (forgot their names) opened her blouse to breast-feed a baby.:eek: All I did was immediately change the channel. So, if there's something I find too risque, I just either close my eyes or change the channel. I like to experiment with anime.

Which original Dirty Pair ep was that? I think I've only seen halfway; yet I don't seem to remember that. :sweat:

Anyway, where I used to live, breast-feeding is just a way of life. So I saw enough of it as a kid.


As for shower scenes, I don't care for them at all. Even though, the scenes weren't too bad in both Street Fighter and Tekken movies.

I don't particularly remember Tekken's, but the SF2 movie's shower scene was edited (both versions). Chun-Li was really showing the full monty. :D

[RAINMAN]

It was in DP flash where kai had to breat feed a baby cause his mama die in a plane crash.

I don`t have much of a problem whit fanservice but when it seems like that the foucs point of the anime, then I have a problem. I rented najita blitz and the amount of fanservice the show had was a bit too much.

[Mr. Pedro]

Context, context, context. It all depends on how it is used and when.

I'm not really bothered by nudity at all but I can see where the objections come from.

[Classic Speedy]

Context, context, context. It all depends on how it is used and when. You just said what I meant to say in a more concise manner. :)

[Frodo]

You Are Right, You Are Getting Flamed, By Me For One Thing, Dont You Ever Say a Thing like That, Because Some Of Us Do Not Like That Ok?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
I know I'm gunna get flamed...:rolleyes:

To me, fanservice is just obnoxious. I could watch an anime and just when I think I like it...some girl with almost no clothes on comes and for me tottaly ruins the anime. I know thats not the case for a lot of you but for ME its just like..."WHY??" Why throw random fanservice scenes in when the anime was fine the way it was.

I just find fanservice tottaly unnessesary even disturbing at times. Yes it can be funny but mostly its just not nessesary, in my opinion.

To me its frusterating...and its frusterating to know that a lot of people here who don't agree with me will flame me for my opinion. :rolleyes:

So thats what I think of fanservice. Its annoying, its unnsessesary, and its something I don't enjoy seeing when I try to watch a new anime.

....thats my rant for the day.

-Groovy

[Obi]

??? So if there were a scene with hot naked coeds cavorting in the shower room you'd be thinking:

"What does this have to do with the story? This is pointless."
For me, yes.

[Frodo]

Now That Is Just Plain Lying, The Timon And Pumba Thing I Mean !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
For me, yes.

[Artimus Gigan]

Now That Is Just Plain Lying, The Timon And Pumba Thing I Mean !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:DWhat in the name of Jefferon Davis' Mother are you talking about?

[Frodo]

Read The Replie Above My Last Replie And Then You'll Know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
What in the name of Jefferon Davis' Mother are you talking about?

[Obi]

What...???

[Artimus Gigan]

What...???That was my first reaction

never mind I think I figured it out, he's refering to your sig...

[Frodo]

Don't Write The Same Stuff Ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
What...???

[Lord Dalek]

That was my first reaction I second that.

[Obi]

Don't Write The Same Stuff Ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
Your overuse of exclamation points scares me.

[Artimus Gigan]

I second that.I just realised somthing, his typing style, his way of formulating words, it's the exact same style as....the sniper who murdered Chiyo-chan!

Yes I still rmember the gunshots on that cold winter day...

[Lord Dalek]

Your overuse of exclamation points scares me. Roger Smith has been finaly topped in the "OMGWTF?!!1" catagory.

[Frodo]

Why Dose It Scare You?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
Your overuse of exclamation points scares me.

[Artimus Gigan]

Why Dose It Scare You?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:DNo, it's extremely annoying....

[Frodo]

Ha Ha Ha Ha, Very Funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
I just realised somthing, his typing style, his way of formulating words, it's the exact same style as....the sniper who murdered Chiyo-chan!

Yes I still rmember the gunshots on that cold winter day...

[Lord Dalek]

Just ignore him, maybe he'll go away.

[Frodo]

What Do You Mean By That?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
Just ignore him, maybe he'll go away.

[Obi]

He means that by ignoring you, you'll get discouraged and leave.



Specifically.

[Master Moron]

Frodo, a signature is something that you can set to appear at the bottom of your posts. Obi did not say that Timon and Pumba line. He was quoting another user. If you want a signature click on user cp.

Back to topic. I'm surprised no one mentioned Dragonball as an example of a series that has male nudity.

[Lord Dalek]

Frodo, a signature is something that you can set to appear at the bottom of your posts. Obi did not say that Timon and Pumba line. He was quoting another user. If you want a signature click on user cp.

Back to topic. I'm surprised no one mentioned Dragonball as an example of a series that has male nudity. Goku's privates are too blandly drawn to considered nudity.

[Obi]

Heh...I forgot all about my signature.

[Master Moron]

Goku's privates are too blandly drawn to considered nudity.
Well, you could say the same thing about Asuka's breasts in Evangelion.

[Lord Dalek]

Well, you could say the same thing about Asuka's breasts in Evangelion.Rei's breasts were even simpler than those!

EDIT- Looks like my ignoring powers have worked.

[DonkeyKongSnes]

Am I the only one noticing this. Why would he be watching an anime which has nude scenes in school? Also, I wouldn't mind if their would be a shower scene in an anime. What do people have against Fan Service. If they don't like it they should buy the edited versions. Also most anime are not porn, since the scenes depicted are not supposed to depict any type of sexual act. That is why Hentai was created, not that i have seen one yet.

[TOM 002]

I've just noticed that the more anime I watch, the more I see that there doesn't seem to be as big a problem with showing nudity, as there is in the west. And I'm not talking about Hentai, or even sexual stuff, or "service" quite frankly I'm just talking about portrails of the human body. Perfect example is fantasy Shojo for this thread I'll use the example of the Magic Knight's Rayearth transformation sequance, nothing reall sensual about it at all, but they're naked.

Okay now to be relevant. I was sitting in my school's art club one day and watch episode 14 I believe of Eva (it's the one where the Angel infiltrates Nerv Headquarters) and some of my freind's kept on telling my instructure that I was watching porn, I assured her that I wasn't. But then came one of the scenes where they show the Eva pilots (Auska in particualr) sitting in the cockpit, and she was naked. Suddenly they made a big scene about how this was porn, and they kept on rewinding the scene over and over, yelling porn.

Another example would be the original Bubblegum Crisis, where someone told me that I shouldn't buy it because it had nudity in it, now the way they made it sound, it had a conotation similar to.

"Ohhh there's a pretty raunchy sec scene in that thing, man!!!"

Naturally this made my parents kind of cautious, and made me seem like the bad guy (now add to the fact that my sister, and mother harped on me for drawing a naked women when I was doing an anatomical study of the human form.)

I think I've admited this before, but I am a Christian and such overt displays of sensuality just don't suit me at all. Further added anyone who knows me knows that I'm not the kind of person who just lusts after every nice looking female I see (honestly I think I'm the only person who bought Dead or Alive 2 looking for a good fighter.)

Anyhow, have you guys had this happen to you?
Ohohohohoho.......has that ever happened to me? Imagine this if you will:

- I go to an all boys high school.
- Most of these boys are into the whole MTV generation, meaning that these guys CRAVE T&A.
- One day, I decide to bring my issues of Ranma and Love Hina to read in school.

And the rest.....is history. Now whenever I so much as go to an anime internet site, any of these guys within a six foot radius says I'm looking at porn. If I happen to read a webcomic with a heavy anime influence, they think I look at porn. If I even try to analyze a GUNDAM, they say that I look at porn. And whenever some people notice that I'm drawing a manga type character, they always say I'm drawing porn, even though every good artist has to start with a nude body in order to draw clothes properly. Basically, I'm in an environment where everyone around me can take any ordinary object one can think of and make sexual innuendo with it.

My friend, you are not alone in this struggle. I am no pervert myself, but because of the society today, anything that has to to with a male and female interacting in any way, shape, or form can be seen as kinky. But then that's America for you, specifically the pop culture that is thrown at us today. When I say that I have no desire to boink any actress or star that my peers mention, they think I'm gay.

Simply put, you are just sexually more mature than most people around you. If even your family can't understand that drawing a nude body is essential for good art, then it just proves that they are much too conservative for their own good and cannot handle the thought of a naked body. Heaven forbid that we use a nude model for drawing in my school.

And that's my two cents for this topic.

(P.S: *brings out the dogs* You know, these boys here are drooling over all the recent spam in this thread. So cut it out, or they'll tear you to pieces just before the mods shut this thread down. Thank you.)