The Official DC Animation DVD News Talkback, Part 13 [Archive]

James Harvey

07-28-2006, 08:50 AM

It's time for the 13th Installment of the DVD news threads, folks! Please keep all DVD talk in here!

Current news - Updated July 12th, 2006:
-WHV Announces New 'Justice League Unlimited' and 'Batman Beyond' Season Sets on DVD (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/news/071206.php)

http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/sections/links/banners/banner468x60.jpg (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com)

To check out the newest information, look for the newest post in this thread for any updates. For the latest information on what's coming to DVD from the Animated DC Universe, check out the links below:

-The World's Finest (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com)
-Toon Zone News (http://news.toonzone.net)
-The World's Finest - Releases Section (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/sections/releases/DVD/)

Archive:
-The Official DC Animated Universe DVD Talkback, Part 12 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=170183)
-The Official DC Animated Universe DVD Talkback, Part 11 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=160384)
-The Official DC Animated Universe DVD Talkback, Part 10 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=155829)
-The Official DC Animated Universe DVD Talkback, Part 9 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=154395)
-The Official DC Animated Universe DVD Talkback, Part 8 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=141697)
-The Official DC Animated Universe DVD Talkback, Part 7 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=133913)
-The Official DC Animated Universe DVD Talkback, Part 6 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=1409156#post1409156)
-The Official DC Animated Universe DVD Talkback, Part 5 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=110845)
-The Official DC Animated Universe DVD Talkback, Part 4 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=106423)
-The Official DC Animated Universe DVD Talkback, Part 3 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=99855)
-The Official DC Animated Universe DVD Talkback, Part 2 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=86789)
-The Official DC Animated Universe DVD Talkback, Part 1 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=65035)

Note: Thread title changes from The Official DC Animated Universe DVD Talkback to The Official DC Animation DVD News Talkback beginning with this installment, due to expanding DVD coverage.

DisneyBoy

07-28-2006, 02:44 PM

Duke

07-28-2006, 02:57 PM

I wonder how much the coverart's gonna change between now and the final release...

savetheprincess

07-28-2006, 03:15 PM

If they are going to put seasons 1 and 2 together why don't they just throw in season 3?

Bird Boy

07-28-2006, 03:20 PM

If they are going to put seasons 1 and 2 together why don't they just throw in season 3?

Because then there wouldn't be anything to release alongside Batman Beyond, Season 3. That and it'd jack up the cost of the set by another $20 and theres no way the common shopper would pay $60 for a set. Hell I won't even pay that much...

-BB

Duke

07-28-2006, 03:22 PM

Because then there wouldn't be anything to release alongside Batman Beyond, Season 3. That and it'd jack up the cost of the set by another $20 and theres no way the common shopper would pay $60 for a set. Hell I won't even pay that much...
But I thought WB loved over-pricing their boxsets?

Bird Boy

07-28-2006, 03:48 PM

But I thought WB loved over-pricing their boxsets?

They do? They charge what any other company charges.

Aside from Sopranos, WHV doesn't really put out any extravagantly priced sets for little product. Everythings pretty sanely priced...

-BB

savetheprincess

07-28-2006, 04:15 PM

The Gilmore gils discs I bought for my wife was about 45 for 6 discs

Shadowmask

07-29-2006, 09:58 AM

Pretty awesome they're releasing seasons 1 and 2 of JLU at once. Season 1 was good, but I've been eager to get the Cadmus arc on DVD. Also, it makes sense to release them together, since the Cadmus arc arguably really started with JLU season 1, in "Fearful Symmetry."

Stu

07-29-2006, 06:17 PM

I take it the specs aren't final as of yet?

Plus, has there been any word on the extended cut of Kevin Conroy's Am I Blue? from This Little Piggy? I'm sure I remember reading that they were going to have more of Conroy singing on the disc...

Kudo's though, the cover art is great!

Anarky

07-29-2006, 08:45 PM

The Gilmore gils discs I bought for my wife was about 45 for 6 discs

it depends on the show and its following
programs like Sopranos, Sex in the City, etc... can get away w/ high-priced dvds because it has an adult audience and said audience feels justified for paying a premium to own the series. It's sort of like a status symbol. If you tell your "peasant" friends you have the Sopranos, the guys will wanna come over, play Poker, and watch the show on your 52" plasma widescreen.

you can say the same for The Twilight Zone. The Twilight Zone DVD sets are pricey but it's target audience is the affluent baby-boomer generation who faithfully tuned in for the premieres when television was a new medium. The Definitve volumes retail for $90+, which is chump change for Boomers.

The same could be said of The X-Files. The series was very popular w/ sci-fi buffs and frankly "nerds". I'm willing to wager a lot of the show's fans have gone through college and are earning salaries over $45K. Hence they can bite the bullet and purchase the $100 Season sets from a few yrs back. Since then, FOX has released economy season sets for those fans w/ more modest incomes.

The DCAU collections fall into the middle tier. True, the shows have an adequate fanbase...most of which have not reached the earnings peak in their careers, hence WHV has to moderately price these at about $30 each. The new programs (TT, TB) are targeted at younger audiences, therefore a parent is more apt to purchase a $20 Season Set over a set nearly double the price.

I'm curious to see how well the Avatar Book One sets sell. MSRP is $80-$90, a steep price to pay in one lump sum. Parents will likely stick to the single-disc volumes which sell for $12 at discount retailers. Chances are only hardcore fans and grandparents looking for a holiday gift will purchase Book One.

jimmymiro12

07-30-2006, 11:45 AM

Yeh it seems the more adult shows and the ones featured on hbo have a higher price. some times this can be avoided. When I went to fye before easter i got king of queens sets buy one get one free. So basically i paid $20 a set which was better than ebay.

jim

Shadowmask

07-30-2006, 11:54 AM

The same could be said of The X-Files. The series was very popular w/ sci-fi buffs and frankly "nerds". I'm willing to wager a lot of the show's fans have gone through college and are earning salaries over $45K. Hence they can bite the bullet and purchase the $100 Season sets from a few yrs back. Since then, FOX has released economy season sets for those fans w/ more modest incomes.
The other thing about The X-Files is that it was the first TV show to be released on DVD, so there weren't really lower prices to compare it to.

John Cage

07-30-2006, 11:55 AM

Wow! 13th installment, eh?

I'm personally hoping to hear that at least two more commentaries have been done for the JLU set...I'm rather worried that 2 is all we're getting, for 26 of the most DCAU-shattering episodes.

I hope there's enough lead time to do this. I know Dwayne McDuffie's said that they assumed they were only releasing the first thirteen as a set, so I'd imagine the team would want to go back and talk about the 'second season' if they had the chance. And I've got to say, I'd be extremely surprised and disappointed if there wasn't a commentary for "Epilogue", and at least some discussion of the Cadmus arc.

Have a good day.
John Cage

LazyReaper

07-30-2006, 11:54 PM

Atleast the cover art seems to be getting better by every release. I didn't care for the first season's cover for Batman Beyond, but this one is an improvement. They should use one of the better action poses for the final set.

And Superman seems to stick out the most on the Justice League cover (in a bad way). It seems like they just popped him in there for the sake of it. :shrug:. Every other character on the cover flows out well with the rest of the layout though.

Noukon

07-31-2006, 02:17 PM

The other thing about The X-Files is that it was the first TV show to be released on DVD, so there weren't really lower prices to compare it to.

The fact that they're now repackaging the sets and repricing them down to less than half their previous MSRP is testament to that.

shadowstrain

08-09-2006, 06:53 AM

I don't know if this is old news, but amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GYI33Q/sr=1-4/qid=1155120258/ref=sr_1_4/103-4605560-7407069?ie=UTF8&s=dvd) has the box-art and a new release date (October now, not December) for JLU Season 1.

BlueRocketBoy

08-09-2006, 08:16 AM

Awesome! (I know this is total nit picking, but would it have been too much for them to use a Superman illustration without the JL season 1 old-and-fatigued cheekbones?! Ah, well ...)

A.J

08-09-2006, 12:13 PM

Awesome! (I know this is total nit picking, but would it have been too much for them to use a Superman illustration without the JL season 1 old-and-fatigued cheekbones?! Ah, well ...)

Yup, some of us noticed it as well, just like Hawkgirl (no Shayera!) being in that cover ;)

nate3po

08-12-2006, 04:05 AM

In case anyone hasn't noticed, the price of BB 2 and JLU 1 has been reduced in priced to 30% of the retail price from 10%.

jimmymiro12

08-13-2006, 10:48 AM

Dogbert

08-13-2006, 12:24 PM

october sounds great but it makes me curious about jlu because i thought we would have gotten one sooner. We got one around april then in june. i was thinkin september and then the last set a december because of christmas.We probably wouldn't have gotten any in June had it not been for Superman Returns being released the following week. October seems about right based on their previous patterns. I believe there should be a Superman Returns DVD released sometime around then too. We should have the whole DCAU on DVD (sans TZP and others without any DVD plans) early next year. I'd guess February or March.

Hockey Mask

08-13-2006, 04:11 PM

I love Justice League and can't wait for the DVDs but I wish they would get them out already so they can go back to the SuperFriends releases.

Stu

08-13-2006, 06:09 PM

I believe they did announce that more Superfriends sets were coming, but there's been no announcements as of yet. The Batman and Teen Titans season two are due to be released shortly as well.

I can't wait for The Batman, I've not seen a lot of them since there original runs and I really enjoyed a lot of the second season. :)

Yojimbo

08-13-2006, 09:54 PM

March seems like a more viable month to sell product and get a better profit (Spring Break!) than February(um..President's Day?). But that's a five month wait, considering how the past releases have been a little shorther, 3-4 months between each other. I can't remember if WHV ever released in Feb but I recall some BTAS set was released in March...or it could have been the one delayed. Anyway, it'd have to be fairly early in 2007 since we have the three DTV releases, as well (April, August, December are my guesses).

But who cares, October is just around the corner. :D

Bird Boy

08-15-2006, 11:58 AM

A.J

08-15-2006, 12:57 PM

The JLU Cover Art (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/cover.jpg) has been updated to include disc art slivers. From what I can tell, it's Batman on disc 1 and Lantern on disc 3, but no idea who's on the other two (I can guess Superman and WW though).

-BB

So, does this confirms this is a 4 disks release? Or was it confirmed already?

Dogbert

08-15-2006, 03:33 PM

So, does this confirms this is a 4 disks release? Or was it confirmed already?The press release was the original source, so yes. It wasn't a typo either; the number of discs, the number of episodes, the MSRP, and the episode descriptions all point to a four disc set.

A.J

08-15-2006, 04:13 PM

The press release was the original source, so yes. It wasn't a typo either; the number of discs, the number of episodes, the MSRP, and the episode descriptions all point to a four disc set.

I honestly wouldnt be able to tell if this is actually good or bad news. I mean, I really wanted JLU season sets, but wasnt expecting THIS kind of release. I was expecting more of a TT TB release thou. I guess I am mostly worried about the number of commentaries featured on this set along with the episodes they are featuring those commentaries on :sad:

Oh well, Ill get this release anyway, Ive been waiting for JLU season sets since day 1! :p

Yojimbo

08-15-2006, 11:32 PM

Very interesting that the cover is majority black, makes it slick. Even the disc art slivers looks pretty clean and sharp. I found it a teensy funny that Hawkgirl is in the upper right corner of the box...

the greenman

08-16-2006, 04:54 PM

The JLU Cover Art (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/cover.jpg) has been updated to include disc art slivers. From what I can tell, it's Batman on disc 1 and Lantern on disc 3, but no idea who's on the other two (I can guess Superman and WW though).

-BB

After some close observation, I don't think disc 3 is Green Lantern but Green Arrow. And if that's the case, we know Superman will be on probably two, and I think they'll go with someone new like Aquaman or Supeegirl on the fourth.

A.J

08-18-2006, 05:11 PM

According to tvshowsondvd.com TT season 2 and TB season 2 had been moved to september 12 ;)

BozQ

08-19-2006, 11:18 AM

I am SO glad the whole Cadmus Story Arc will be in one season boxset.
Before the announcement, I was resigned that it will be split into two sets, since that's what happened during airing.

Justice League Unlimited will indeed be my first ever TV series boxset purchase. I have never done this before. I never thought I would buy any series set. There was never a series that made me want to buy. But JLU was just completely different. And now with whole Cadmus arc in, this is a definitely must buy for me.

October 24 is too long a wait!

Kudos for Bruce Timm and Co.! Sorry, I am totally new to DCAU, and I know there are many other members instrumental to its success. Well done!

Mr. A

08-21-2006, 02:33 AM

Wow!
I couldn't be happier with this change. Two seasons instead of 1 at an earlier date. I finally get to see the only DCAU episode I ever missed (Fearful Symmetry :) ) as well as my favorite season of any DCAU show (JLU's Season Two) ever.
I second the hope that there is a commentary for Epilogue.

Yojimbo

08-21-2006, 10:58 PM

Shadow_X

08-22-2006, 10:25 AM

Hi,

We now have a picture of the back of the box of BB season 2, here it is:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=6327

Later...

Silly McGooses

08-22-2006, 11:32 AM

cool.

It's weird how they seem to give BB the most "adult" packaging and descriptions when it really is the most child-aimed show of the main DCAU. Besides SS and ZP.

DisneyBoy

08-22-2006, 04:15 PM

Still no word on the commentary situations, hmm?

:( I'm thinkin' it's sticking to two.

Stu

08-22-2006, 04:19 PM

Still no word on the commentary situations, hmm?

:( I'm thinkin' it's sticking to two.
The back of the box says commentary on two key episodes. Read!

Unless they have them as easter eggs again, which would be beyond awesome.

Toddman

08-22-2006, 04:43 PM

The back of the box says commentary on two key episodes. Read!

Unless they have them as easter eggs again, which would be beyond awesome.

I think DB is referring to extra commentaries for JLU, not BB.

I assume the reason we haven't heard from any of our reliabe sources about a new commentary for "Epilogue" is because they're much too busy recording it and encoding it onto one of the discs...right?...:sweat:

Toddman

Pyro

08-24-2006, 05:13 PM

I assume the reason we haven't heard from any of our reliabe sources about a new commentary for "Epilogue" is because they're much too busy recording it and encoding it onto one of the discs...right?...:sweat: We can hope. I don't really understand the decision to put seasons 1 & 2 together with no season 2 extras, but I guess it's the actual episode that counts. And I can't complain about getting both seasons at the same time. But out of all the DCAU releases, I think JLU season two deserved the most extras...well along with BTAS vol.1.

A.J

08-24-2006, 06:11 PM

I assume the reason we haven't heard from any of our reliabe sources about a new commentary for "Epilogue" is because they're much too busy recording it and encoding it onto one of the discs...right?...:sweat:

Toddman

suuuuuuure! It will be ready next week plus commentaries on Ties that bind, Greatest Story Ever Told and Initiation :sweat:

Bird Boy

08-24-2006, 07:41 PM

I assume the reason we haven't heard from any of our reliabe sources about a new commentary for "Epilogue" is because they're much too busy recording it and encoding it onto one of the discs...right?...:sweat:

Toddman

It can go either way. We could take the lack of news as they're working on something or the lack of news that they're still busy working with what they do have.

Not to get anyones hopes up, but while watching an early screener of The Batman, Season 2, one of the trailers was for JLU/BB. For BB they mentioned the special features, but for JLU they didn't. Maybe it wasn't finalized, I don't know, but it's still something to think about.

Edit: And a bit of an update for those who care:

http://teentitans.toonzone.net/index.php?content=releases/dvd/seasontwo/index
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/?x=releases/dvd/seasontwo/index

Full menus for both. May not be the final product.

-BB

A.J

08-25-2006, 09:23 AM

How come The Batman and Teen Titans season sets gets triple audio (english-spanish-french) but JL and JLU dont??? Man, that annoys the heck out of me.

Cortez2301

08-25-2006, 10:16 AM

I can't believe it.2 commentarys in batman beyond season 2?I thought there would be 4.Oh no.

Bird Boy

08-25-2006, 10:55 AM

How come The Batman and Teen Titans season sets gets triple audio (english-spanish-french) but JL and JLU dont??? Man, that annoys the heck out of me.

BB Season 2 won't have it, but JLU Season 1 will have triple audio on it. I think it has to do with how available the alternate language tracks are and if they even exist.

Or if they remember. :p

-BB

Shadow_X

08-25-2006, 11:12 AM

BB Season 2 won't have it, but JLU Season 1 will have triple audio on it. I think it has to do with how available the alternate language tracks are and if they even exist.

Or if they remember. :p

-BB

Really!!!

I read this in the JLU Season 1 section in the WF site, but I thought it was a mistake since in the last DCAU sets the only avaible audio was english, and I thought this will continue with JLU, but I´m so happy to hear that the first set of JLU will have the spanish track :anime:

Later...

A.J

08-25-2006, 12:19 PM

BB Season 2 won't have it, but JLU Season 1 will have triple audio on it. I think it has to do with how available the alternate language tracks are and if they even exist.

Or if they remember. :p

-BB

Whaaaaaat? Oh man! Thatd be awesome!!!! I so hope so!

Shadow X, mil gracias por tu mensaje! Me sirvió muchísimo! Lo de JLU season 1 con audio triple suena fenomenal!!! Que bueno no? ;)

EDIT: The SPANISH Dubs does exists and I hope BB season sets gets a R4 release in order to get them cause listening to Terry in English sounds so unfamiliar to me"

Clarke Wayne

08-26-2006, 09:58 PM

Sorry to clutter the forum with a minor thing like this, but I was wondering if anyone knows the following:

(1) What music is used for the menus of the Batman TAS: Volume 3 DVD set?
(2) For the two Batman & Robin single disc releases, which intro is used for the episodes - the original? or Shirley Walker's theme?

FireWarrior

08-27-2006, 02:22 AM

I don't know the second question, but the first question I do know. The music used for the menus is the theme for "The Adventures of Batman and Robin".

Clarke Wayne

08-27-2006, 02:48 AM

I don't know the second question, but the first question I do know. The music used for the menus is the theme for "The Adventures of Batman and Robin".

Okay, cool, that's good to know. Apparently only 11 of the episodes featured on Volume 3 have the "Adventures of Batman & Robin" opening, which accounts for like only 30% of the DVD set. So with that theme being incorporated into the menus, that sort of creates a better balance between that theme and the original one that is used for the majority of the episodes.

Do I over-analyze things? Yes, yes I do...

Thanks for the info man!

Cortez2301

08-27-2006, 07:15 PM

cool.

It's weird how they seem to give BB the most "adult" packaging and descriptions when it really is the most child-aimed show of the main DCAU. Besides SS and ZP.I agree.I can't believe it.The show was made to sell toys and then it got a PG-13 movie.Really cool,huh?

Clarke Wayne

08-27-2006, 09:10 PM

I'd like to pose another question typical of my obsessive compulsive nature:

Is it feasible to own just one of the Batman TAS Volume sets, and not pick up the others? In other words, how many of you are completists and how many of you are perfectly okay with owning some but not all of the Batman DVD's? I ask because I'm currently contemplating whether or not I should buy the entire Batman TAS series, or just buy Volume 3 (which is the one I want the most because it features The Adventures of Batman & Robin).

I was thinking of just buying the two single disc releases of The Adventures of Batman & Robin, but the problem with that is... If I'm going to spend twenty bucks on those 8 episodes, why not drop another twenty bucks for a total of 28 episodes featured on the Volume 3 set? But, the problem with getting the Volume 3 set is that I can't see myself being content with owning only one of the Volume sets. Once I have Volume 3 sitting on my shelf, the completist within me will surface and I'll need to get the others, ya know what I mean?

WHAT SHOULD I DO?????

FireWarrior

08-27-2006, 10:11 PM

Well I'm a completist myself so owning all the DVD sets was a no brainer. Do you not like the rest of B:TAS? I'm pretty sure there are people who are content with only one box set but as a completist I don't get it. I'm a little biased but get all the DVD sets. Sure it's more expensive but the series is worth owning in my opinion.

Michael24

08-27-2006, 10:22 PM

Well, if you like B:TAS, then it only makes sense to buy all three volumes and get all the episodes. Sure, it's most expensive than the few single releases, but you get all the episodes and a couple neat bonus features, including some very enjoyable Bruce Timm and Co. commentaries.

sdp

08-28-2006, 01:20 AM

trust me, if you get one volume or one single disc you'll want more, the three first volumes are a must, the fourth volume though different might even end up being there, trust me.

The completist in me made me end up buying superman and justiceleague, the writing is just too damn good on all the DCAU shows for me to pass them by ;(

btw shop around and be patient, I bought few sets on release date, most of the time I waited for special sales, I pretty much ended up getting most DCAU volumes for about 25$ or 30$.

Looter

08-28-2006, 09:26 AM

If there were an entire season of just duds, I probably wouldn't mind not owning them all. However, every season has several great episodes worth owning. For every "Christmas With the Joker", there's a "On Leather Wings" or "Heart of Ice".

BozQ

08-29-2006, 11:34 AM

Well, I'm actually going to buy just JLU season one and not going to bother waiting for season two.
If I had the money, I would just buy BTAS/TNBA: Volume Four, because those are my favourite episodes of Batman.

Then again, I can't say I'm a huge fan of DCAU. I'm a fan, that's all.
But I know that completist feel. I've had that addiction in the past with other series, usually video games.

I'll probably only collect when boxsets of The Zeta Project, Static Shock and any other spinoff series that I don't know of, but are set in the same world as BTAS and STAS appears.

From there, I will consider collecting everything. Otherwise...nada =P

Bird Boy

08-29-2006, 11:42 AM

The site for the TT S2 and TB S2 DVDs is now live:

http://www2.warnerbros.com/video/batman_teentitans_s2/

-BB

V Man C

08-29-2006, 03:30 PM

Buy all of them, they'll look good on the shelf.

Cortez2301

09-01-2006, 02:49 PM

I have 2 important questions:

1-Has anyone hear anymore news about the special edition of "Mask of the phantasm" like when to expect it?
2-Will the Justice league unlimited season 2 and batman beyond season 3 boxsets be released by april?

I will Appreciate the help.

Bird Boy

09-01-2006, 04:16 PM

I have 2 important questions:

1-Has anyone hear anymore news about the special edition of "Mask of the phantasm" like when to expect it?

Still being "considered."

2-Will the Justice league unlimited season 2 and batman beyond season 3 boxsets be released by april?

I will Appreciate the help.

Possibly. Maybe Jan. or March.

-BB

Cortez2301

09-01-2006, 04:20 PM

Still being "considered."

Possibly. Maybe Jan. or March.

-BBThank you very much,BB you've been a great help.

BozQ

09-03-2006, 10:52 AM

Bird Boy

09-03-2006, 11:20 AM

1. For Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, how do I tell if its the uncut PG-13 version or not? I've flipped through a few sites and they did mention its the uncut original version, but how do I know if they are sure about it?
Is there a significant runtime difference between the two cuts?

Depends on the packaging. If it's the snapper case you can still tell. I don't know about the new amaray packaging though.

The runtime is longer on the uncut, obviously. If Amazon or Overstock or whoever lists it as Uncut, then it is. The Uncut and cut have different UPCs.

2. Justice Leauge Unlimited Season One. I'm probably resigned to getting this from Amazon.com if I have no other choice.

I don't live in the US and I can wait until as late as next year even, if I were to see the DVDs here at all. And I've also heard horror stories that it takes up to six weeks to ship from Amazon.

So I'd like to ask those who are buying this set, where are you getting it from? Just list the sites here. Of course, I will really appreciate if you can state a few sites that ships international. :-)

I'll just be buying in-store so I'm not gonna be completely helpful on this particular release, but while Amazon may be slow in shipping, they are reliable.

3. SuperFriends. From what I see, there has been two boxsets released. Are these all the episodes ever broadcasted? Or are there some more?

There's more. I'm sure we'll see more releases of Superfriends next year sometime.

-BB

S.C.B

09-03-2006, 07:33 PM

2. Justice Leauge Unlimited Season One. I'm probably resigned to getting this from Amazon.com if I have no other choice.

I don't live in the US and I can wait until as late as next year even, if I were to see the DVDs here at all. And I've also heard horror stories that it takes up to six weeks to ship from Amazon.

So I'd like to ask those who are buying this set, where are you getting it from? Just list the sites here. Of course, I will really appreciate if you can state a few sites that ships international. :-)
I tend to order from Amazon.co.uk and use caiman_usa; they're pretty good on delivery times (two weeks, tops - rarely even that long), and usually the cheapest. At least, that's who I'll be using for the BB and JLU sets.

BozQ

09-04-2006, 08:54 AM

I tend to order from Amazon.co.uk and use caiman_usa; they're pretty good on delivery times (two weeks, tops - rarely even that long), and usually the cheapest. At least, that's who I'll be using for the BB and JLU sets. Holy Bat! The exchange rate in the UK is a major killer. But if what you say is true, two weeks tops, then I *might* be interested.

Judas...decisions, decisions :(

Bat Bruce

09-04-2006, 02:05 PM

Holy Bat! The exchange rate in the UK is a major killer. But if what you say is true, two weeks tops, then I *might* be interested.

Judas...decisions, decisions :(

I use Caiman too, but if you really hate the UK exchange rate they also have an american site

http://www.caiman.com/Caiman/index_zone.htm

Ullar

09-04-2006, 02:33 PM

dude does uncut ROTJ have a keepcase? i got mine off amazon and all the other movies have jeepcases but ROTJ is snapper.

Noukon

09-05-2006, 05:49 PM

1. For Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, how do I tell if its the uncut PG-13 version or not? I've flipped through a few sites and they did mention its the uncut original version, but how do I know if they are sure about it?

I'd just check the rating. The cut version is not rated PG-13, so if what you're buying carries that rating, it should be the uncut version.

BozQ

09-05-2006, 06:02 PM

I was actually pretty afraid that I will be getting the PG version instead of the PG13 version, despite stating otherwise.

I've had stupid experiences with morons, especially auctions, who don't know the difference between widescreen and fullscreen.

But in any case, I've managed to find one last copy of the uncut version from HMV here. At an okay price.

The movie is fantastic! The story is pretty terrifying and I can definitely see why it was slapped with PG13.

Now I wonder how to get the the PG/edited version. I hope I can get it somewhere someday.

Funkatron

09-05-2006, 06:16 PM

The october Amaray release is Uncut only.

Ullar

09-05-2006, 06:25 PM

The october Amaray release is Uncut only.
YAY my snapper is falling off.

BozQ

09-06-2006, 11:26 PM

I use Caiman too, but if you really hate the UK exchange rate they also have an american site

http://www.caiman.com/Caiman/index_zone.htm
Hi S.C.B; Bat Bruce

Do I have to wait until October 24 to place my order, so Caiman will handle the shipping?
Sorry, I'm embarrassed to say I'm still new to online shopping. Just got my debit card only last month and never shopped at major outlets like Amazon before.:o

Bat Bruce

09-07-2006, 04:59 AM

Hi S.C.B; Bat Bruce

Do I have to wait until October 24 to place my order, so Caiman will handle the shipping?
Sorry, I'm embarrassed to say I'm still new to online shopping. Just got my debit card only last month and never shopped at major outlets like Amazon before.:o

You can preorder it from Caiman, but you have to pay for shipping anyway from them anyway (i've just looked & it's $9.79 outside US :eek: ) Amazon has them with free shipping, also for preorder

JLU

http://www.amazon.com/Justice-League-Unlimited-Classic-Collection/dp/B000GYI33Q/sr=8-13/qid=1157619284/ref=sr_1_13/002-1481281-6394431?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

BB

http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Beyond-Season-Classic-Collection/dp/B000GYI336/sr=1-4/qid=1157619366/ref=sr_1_4/002-1481281-6394431?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

Shopping online is easy & brilliant. Just make sure when you register for accounts you dont put your name in the address field (not that 'I' ever did that :sweat: )

Bird Boy

09-07-2006, 12:24 PM

A minor note: The Teen Titans: Trouble in Tokyo DVD is "on hold for now", according to WHV. So you'll have to catch it when it airs on CN on the 16th of this month and it's repeat airings after that.

-BB

A.J

09-07-2006, 12:31 PM

BozQ

09-07-2006, 12:48 PM

You can preorder it from Caiman, but you have to pay for shipping anyway from them anyway (i've just looked & it's $9.79 outside US :eek: ) Amazon has them with free shipping, also for preorder

JLU

http://www.amazon.com/Justice-League-Unlimited-Classic-Collection/dp/B000GYI33Q/sr=8-13/qid=1157619284/ref=sr_1_13/002-1481281-6394431?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

BB

http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Beyond-Season-Classic-Collection/dp/B000GYI336/sr=1-4/qid=1157619366/ref=sr_1_4/002-1481281-6394431?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

Shopping online is easy & brilliant. Just make sure when you register for accounts you dont put your name in the address field (not that 'I' ever did that :sweat: )

I'm actually considering expedited shipping option.

Ok, here is my concern right now. From what I see from JLs1 and JLs2 boxsets, I can go into their page, and then click on New & Used, and from there choose to buy from a zShop or seller.

And so I figured I could choose to buy from caiman if I want to buy the first two sets.

BUT when it came to JLU, there is no 'New & Used' yet. If I add JLU into Caiman's website shopping cart and check out, it doesn't mention anything about buying from Caiman.
Will it still be shipped from Caiman if I place my order through Caiman's website first? I take you guys' words that they ship faster then I would order normally from Amazon.

Then again, what is Caiman's role in all this?

I know I ask really silly questions here. But its a good amount of money here, and I don't earn much. This would probably be my biggest online purchase ever, so I have to be absolutely sure. :o

Bird Boy

09-07-2006, 02:06 PM

Why on hold? Is there any reason for that? :(

No reason was given. They're probably trying to decide what to do with it and are going to let the TV airing stand on it's own before releasing it on DVD.

More than likely it'll still hit before years end.

-BB

sdp

09-07-2006, 09:47 PM

I know it'd be just a guess since WHV seems to do random stuff but do you think widescreen season sets of TT and TB are possible on dvd in the future? I know they said it was "under consideration", but what if it never happens? I find it really hard to pass on the 14$ season sets of both whenever I go to walmart, but I hate double(triple) dipping, I already bought S1 vol.1 of it...,

I don't want the same thing to happen as BB, I bought the "movie" and the other single discs, so now i'm only missing a few episodes but I find it hard to fork over 20$ for something I already bought most of, specially when I get 2$ in trade for the ones I own...

random rant

Simpler Simon

09-07-2006, 10:16 PM

I know it'd be just a guess since WHV seems to do random stuff but do you think widescreen season sets of TT and TB are possible on dvd in the future?

If they do go widescreen in the future (and since the fuss is being made now, it could start as soon as season 3 of each show), I doubt they'd double-dip on the seasons released in fullscreen, unless it was for the next hi-def format (which would be a few years off anyway).

Bat Bruce

09-08-2006, 09:22 AM

I'm actually considering expedited shipping option.

Ok, here is my concern right now. From what I see from JLs1 and JLs2 boxsets, I can go into their page, and then click on New & Used, and from there choose to buy from a zShop or seller.

And so I figured I could choose to buy from caiman if I want to buy the first two sets.

BUT when it came to JLU, there is no 'New & Used' yet. If I add JLU into Caiman's website shopping cart and check out, it doesn't mention anything about buying from Caiman.
Will it still be shipped from Caiman if I place my order through Caiman's website first? I take you guys' words that they ship faster then I would order normally from Amazon.

Then again, what is Caiman's role in all this?

I know I ask really silly questions here. But its a good amount of money here, and I don't earn much. This would probably be my biggest online purchase ever, so I have to be absolutely sure. :o

They're not silly questions, you wouldn't believe what I do to save a bit of cash here and there :D

First off Caiman is an Amazon marketplace based in Florida, all orders for them are processed through Amazon and then sent from Caiman's warehouse.

From my experience Caiman doesnt seem to do preorders, the sets will show up on their U.S. website the day of release and a few days later on their UK site

BozQ

09-08-2006, 11:30 AM

Bat Bruce

09-08-2006, 11:44 AM

Dear Bat Bruce

Thank you very much for your response. I really appreciate it. :)

So even if I pre-order through Caiman's website, its still the same?
I don't exactly want to wait till October 24, fearing it will delay shipping, and I'm already impatient as it is :D

But in any case, what would you recommend in my case? I'm most probably choosing expedited shipping, something which I can afford.

Wait till October 24 or just pre-order now?

EDIT - I think I can forget about Caiman. It might not ship to my country after all =(

Caiman's faq says they ship to 'most' of the world, perhaps you should email them.
I can't really tell you whether to pre order or not, i preordered JL s2 (not from amazon or caiman) and they didnt ship it before or on the release date, so after a couple of days I got bored and bought it from Caiman

BozQ

09-09-2006, 03:44 PM

Bat Bruce

09-09-2006, 04:10 PM

I'll have to check it out next week. Kinda busy to swallow all the details.
Thanks a lot Bat Bruce! You've been very helpful.

Is it ok if I PM or email you again if I need further help in the future? In case I cant get you on this thread?

Not a problem, i was actually about to suggest the same thing, we'll end up on DVD talkback 14 just full of the 2 of us :anime:

Bird Boy

09-11-2006, 10:38 PM

News on the DVD release of "Trouble in Tokyo" is now out, details here (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=12262).

Cortez2301

09-11-2006, 10:43 PM

will it be better than the series or what?BTW BB are you going to be reviewing it when it comes out?

Bird Boy

09-11-2006, 10:48 PM

will it be better than the series or what?

Don't know, I just expect a fun romp at this point...

BTW BB are you going to be reviewing it when it comes out?

I will probably wait to review and add media for the film to the site when the DVD hits. I'll watch the airing this week, but I'm not going to screengrab anything from it until I have it in DVD quality...

-BB

Cortez2301

09-11-2006, 11:00 PM

Don't know, I just expect a fun romp at this point...

I will probably wait to review and add media for the film to the site when the DVD hits. I'll watch the airing this week, but I'm not going to screengrab anything from it until I have it in DVD quality...

-BBThanks alot.But please tell me whether it is good for a 7+ audience rather than the show having a 7-14 aduience.

MacGyver

09-11-2006, 11:16 PM

Thanks alot.But please tell me whether it is good for a 7+ audience rather than the show having a 7-14 aduience.

It should appeal to the same age group as the show. Not that it should make a difference. If you like the show, you should enjoy the movie too.

Cortez2301

09-11-2006, 11:24 PM

It should appeal to the same age group as the show. Not that it should make a difference. If you like the show, you should enjoy the movie too.Nah I never cared much for the titans.But I think I just got confused between this movie and The Judas contract.I thought that they were changing the group thats all.

Cortez2301

09-12-2006, 01:29 AM

Nice review of "the batman" here:http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/?x=releases/dvd/seasontwo/index

Oh god I really wanted to see those trailers.If BB has them available somewhere,please tell me.

James Harvey

09-12-2006, 06:59 AM

Talkbacks for the new DVD releases of The Batman and Teen Titans are now online! Click on the links below!

-The Batman: The Complete Second Season (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=174080)
-Teen Titans: The Complete Second Season (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=174081)

Stay tuned for more DVD updates soon!

BozQ

09-13-2006, 09:14 AM

Hi guys

A while back, I mentioned something about the Batman animated DVDs not having commentaries, as you can see here on this thread.

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=172915&highlight=commentaries

And apparently, its the same problem with Volume 2 and Volume 3.

Honestly, I am upset with this, and its really irresponsible for whoever it is to remove the commentaries and not remove the description on the boxes.

Also, based on World's Finest review of Vol. 4 (TNBA) DVD, it seems I could choose to play either the old school introduction or the new Batman/Superman introduction. But that doesn't seem to be the option to me, even when I select 'Play All' as mentioned.

I know all these things are minor to some people, as the real deal is the actual episodes itself. But to me, they are part of the experience.

I have decided to bring this to Warner Home Video's attention, which I know, its not really their fault, but most probably the distributors. However, I have one tiny problem, I still can't find their email contact.

Secondly, while all this is being sorted out, is there a way to get the commentaries in mp3 format, and a video clip of the new Batman/Superman intro?

I can't get a refund for all this because 'they are in working condition'. :rolleyes:

I'll most probably have to sell them off on eBay or Yahoo.

Sorry for this rather long ranting post.

airfighter

09-13-2006, 02:07 PM

A.J

09-13-2006, 02:59 PM

Well, as Shadow_X mentioned in the other thread, the Warner Home Video branch responsible for Latin America is just as careless and irresponsible as the one in your area: Misleading information in the box's descriptions, lack of commentaries, inconsistencies, etc. We've seen all that here.

Importing the DVDs directly from sellers in the U.S. or that carry the U.S. release is apparently the only way out: the only way to get accurate, complete set descriptions and to gain access to all advertised extra content.

I don't think you can get the commentaries in mp3 format, unfortunately.

I agree with you airfighter but sadly the R1 releases do not contain the SPANISH DUBS anymore (aparently JLU will) so theres this downside for us R4 guys that gets the R1 releases...now I do not know what the heck to do with my STAS vol. 2, BTAS vol. 4, BB vol. 1 and JL season 1 since those are being released for R4 and I really want those with the spanish dubs!!!! (which means NO same extras on those!) :sad:

airfighter

09-13-2006, 04:32 PM

Hades

09-14-2006, 12:52 AM

Haven't been here in a while, so I have a few questions:

1. Have the commentaries on the Batman Beyond S2 episodes been announced?
2. Have any more commentaries for JLU Season 1 been announced?
3. What time does Trouble in Tokyo air and when was it supposed to be on DVD?
4. Any announcement yet for Season 3 to both BB and JLU? I think it is still too early, but you never know. I'm guessing WB will releasing them in Jan though, so an announcement should be soon.
5. Any word on another DTV?

Duke

09-14-2006, 02:11 AM

3. What time does Trouble in Tokyo air and when was it supposed to be on DVD?
As the commercials keep saying, it starts at 7:30PM, followed by Billy & Mandy or Naruto.

Bird Boy

09-14-2006, 11:24 AM

Haven't been here in a while, so I have a few questions:

1. Have the commentaries on the Batman Beyond S2 episodes been announced?

Splicers and Eggbaby.

2. Have any more commentaries for JLU Season 1 been announced?

Nope. I've tried to get confirmation if anything new was recorded, but it's "no comments" all around.

3. What time does Trouble in Tokyo air and when was it supposed to be on DVD?

Duke answered that already, but the DVD hits on November 17th...which I just realized was a Friday, so that's...weird. Jim's rechecking the date now...

4. Any announcement yet for Season 3 to both BB and JLU? I think it is still too early, but you never know. I'm guessing WB will releasing them in Jan though, so an announcement should be soon.

Nothing yet, I'd expect something after the October wave hits.

5. Any word on another DTV?

Nothing since Comic Con.

-BB

Hades

09-14-2006, 11:47 AM

Bat Bruce

09-14-2006, 01:06 PM

Splicers I can understand getting commentary, BUT Egg Baby???? WHY? That is a terrible episode. I figured the one with the Hunter or Curare would have been a good one. I guess it could be worse though. After all, it could be Rats...

Everyone seems to hate Critters too but that got a commentary, perhaps they're going to poke fun at their own work again

A.J

09-14-2006, 01:51 PM

yo BirdBoy, any early copy for ya of BB season 2 or JLU season 1??? :)

Bird Boy

09-14-2006, 02:23 PM

yo BirdBoy, any early copy for ya of BB season 2 or JLU season 1??? :)

Probably not until the first week or so of October. I'll let ya guys know when I get it!

Also, the Teen Titans: Trouble in Tokyo DTV DVD release date is November 7th, not November 17th. Sorry for the confusion!

-BB

BozQ

09-14-2006, 04:58 PM

I think you meant dubs, not subs...:sweat: But yes, that's sadly true A.J.

Still, I'm only really interested in the dubs of STAS/BTAS, as I can live without the ones for JL/JLU/etc. (they're not bad, but they aren't as important to me...less nostalgia value, perhaps).

This whole issue could be avoided if WHV actually treated its own non-R1 customers fairly, but instead we get very inconsistent treatment (one set has the commentaries, but then other one doesn't, then they're announced on the box but not on the DVDs, etc.). I'll leave it at that for now, but hopefully one day they'll realize that this doesn't even make sense from an economic or marketing point of view.

What I really want to know is, whose the real culprit?
The main WHV in the U.S.?
Or the companies that distributes these DVDs in their respective regions? Because, from what I see, the distributor involved is in almost no way related to Warner Bros, except them signing a contract to legally distribute. And I'm ready to kick their $!#@ if they are the culprits. This distributor is well known (to me) to fubar every DVD they can lay their paws on. And I have a few badly authored DVDs, namely The Matrix Revolutions, that is just plain bad. Noticed how that is from Warner Bros. too?

While I have no use for foreign dubs, and I'm not particularly supportive of foreign dubs myself (I'm always native > foreign, but never mind that), I know the feeling of this inconsistency. Having half the sets Spanish and the other not is just really very lazy and irresponsible on their part.

Now I'm just posting this, just in case someone here knows how to do it.
Can someone please send me, just an mp3 of Robin's Reckoning (BTAS Vol.2) and Shriek (Batman Beyond) audio commentaries, please? I don't need the video.

The Clown Prince

09-14-2006, 08:11 PM

Also, the Teen Titans: Trouble in Tokyo DTV DVD release date is November 7th, not November 17th. Sorry for the confusion!

-BB

Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=br_ss_hs/102-7268439-4324135?platform=gurupa&url=index%3Ddvd&keywords=Teen+Titans) and DeepDiscountDVD.com (http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=Teen+Titans) don't have a listing for this. Has it been postponed or am I missing something? The hyperlinks I provided at those sites are the Teen Titans results where they have every Teen Titans video available.

The Clown Prince

airfighter

09-15-2006, 12:23 AM

What I really want to know is, whose the real culprit?
The main WHV in the U.S.? Well BozQ, the Spanish version of the DVDs is apparently packaged and distributed by "Warner Home Video Mexico" (which distributes the DVDs even outside of Mexico, btw).

So even if they may not technically be the same company as WHV U.S., they are definitely one of their official distribution channels and therefore it's possible that WHV U.S. isn't entirely out of the loop (ie: after reading Shadow_X's comments elsewhere, where WHV Mexico apparently claims that they just redistribute materials sent in by WHV U.S., which may or may not be strictly true).

Don't know how the company in your region that handles distribution is related to WHV U.S. though.

While I have no use for foreign dubs, and I'm not particularly supportive of foreign dubs myself (I'm always native > foreign, but never mind that), I know the feeling of this inconsistency. Having half the sets Spanish and the other not is just really very lazy and irresponsible on their part.
I usually don't have much fondness for dubs either, most of the time I do prefer the original voices (especially after hearing the great original voices for BTAS and other DCAU shows), but sometimes nostalgia (ie: growing up hearing one set of dubbed voices) does get to me. Rarely (only as far as STAS/BTAS are concerned), but it does. ;)

Btw, my problem isn't only a lack of Spanish dubs per se (they are not usually being included in the R1 releases anymore, apparently, but they've always been in the R4 disks as far as I've checked). The problem is the lack of (and inconsistencies regarding) commentaries and other DVD extras in the R4 releases, even when they are described on the box

The only "solution" seems to be importing the R1 disks (Amazon.com ships to most of Latin America, for example), except that they don't often include the Spanish dubs anymore (some earlier releases did).

This won't really be a problem for me in the future, now that I have all the STAS/BTAS sets and my interest in the rest of the Spanish dubs has declined, but I'm annoyed at the continuing problems with the commentaries and so on.

Now I'm just posting this, just in case someone here knows how to do it.
My BTAS set (BB isn't available yet) doesn't have that one either, so I can't help you there.

Bird Boy

09-15-2006, 12:58 AM

Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=br_ss_hs/102-7268439-4324135?platform=gurupa&url=index%3Ddvd&keywords=Teen+Titans) and DeepDiscountDVD.com (http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=Teen+Titans) don't have a listing for this. Has it been postponed or am I missing something? The hyperlinks I provided at those sites are the Teen Titans results where they have every Teen Titans video available.

The Clown Prince

It hasn't been formally announced by WHV, that's just the date they gave us. Probably won't see an announcement until later this month (likely after the premiere, obviously, as that happens tomorrow...or later today, depending on your time zone) or sometime in October.

-BB

Kirben

09-15-2006, 06:21 AM

The release of animated series from Warner on DVD in Australia is even worse, we mainly get the single releases of series, long after their releases in USA. With not many season sets of animated series released so far.

I don't understand why Warner continue the single releases in Australia, when season sets have already been released elsewhere. I'm have tried emailing press contacts of local Warner Home Video but couldn't get any decent answers on what to expect in future or even how to encourage more releases.

The only season set of DC animation released in Australia so far is Batman - TAS Season 1 (About a year ago), with still no sign of any more Batman season sets.

It looks like the complete series of Superman - TAS is been released on DVD in November in Australia though, I just hope all the usual extras are included.

Kirben

09-18-2006, 08:41 PM

Unfortunately the Superman - TAS season 1 - 3 sets still aren't been released in Australia, Warner Home Video just confirmed the 1st November release date was actually a mistake in several online DVDs shops.

So that means the only animated season set released by Warner Home Video in Australia this year, is The Jetsons season 1. It really seems pointless to continue waiting for local releases at this point.

Are any of the season sets (Batman, Justice League, Superman) released in the UK and USA multi-region? covering Region 4 too?

Crow

09-19-2006, 04:05 AM

Kirben

09-19-2006, 05:32 AM

That's a disgrace that so many shops could get those details incorrect - both them and Warner/Roadshow should be on the ball about (arguably) small titles like STAS DVDs.
If you are up for it Kirban you can bite the bullet like I did and get Region 1 copies like I did.

It looks like the Superman - TAS season sets will be released eventually in Australia, as I noticed the have been recently classified for DVD release by OFLC, but they definitely won't be released this year.

I was hoping the Region 1 or Region 2 releases might be multi-region, so I don't have to keep switching regions. I watch my DVDs via DVD-ROM and Windows XP still complains after every few region changes, even with region free firmware and DVD genie loaded.

I saw the Batman/Superman movie may also be getting a Region 4 release. I'm wondering why that title would get precedence over the box sets (of all the shows).

The Batman / Superman movie is been released on 4th October in Australia. Along with two single volumes of The Batman (Again, no season set) and The Batman vs Dracula movie.

I assume the single releases of the DC animated movies sell better, as all the DC animated movies seem to get released in Australia.

James Harvey

09-21-2006, 11:48 AM

A mini-update on Justice League Unlimited: Season One and Batman Beyond: Season Two. Early copies for reviews should be sent out within the next two weeks, as well as an updated press release (hopefully). In short, we should know the final specs, and back cover art, soon for Justice League Unlimited: Season One. We’ll keep everyone posted!

On a somewhat related note, information on two big DC-related DVD releases has been released. Check out information on the November release of Superman Returns (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=174087) and Superman: The Ultimate Collection Box Set (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=159324) in the DVD Discussion Forum (http://forums.toonzone.net/forumdisplay.php?f=17).

A.J

09-21-2006, 01:52 PM

A mini-update on Justice League Unlimited: Season One and Batman Beyond: Season Two. Early copies for reviews should be sent out within the next two week, as well as an updated press release (hopefully). In short, we should know the final specs, and back cover art, soon for Justice League Unlimited: Season One. We’ll keep everyone posted!

Awesome man, cant wait for it! :D

Cortez2301

09-21-2006, 02:51 PM

Crossdive

09-21-2006, 10:18 PM

Cortez2301

09-21-2006, 10:40 PM

Bird Boy

09-21-2006, 11:10 PM

I know this has been asked about a million times, so sorry to reask, but I don't ever remember seeing an answer in the past (to myself or others with this question); but are we ever supposed to be getting Static Shock, The Zeta Project, and the like on DVD sets like we have been for the other shows? Thanks in advance.

According to WHV a few months back, neither shows have plans for season sets.

Which I don't blame them--with previous releases, there was a large enough market for them to get profits outside of the hardcore fans. Maybe Static Shock would sell, but I know Zeta Project would simply fall through the cracks.

-BB

Cortez2301

09-22-2006, 12:39 AM

Bird Boy

09-22-2006, 12:46 AM

I havent seen Zeta project at all but I heard that it was welcomed into the dCAU by fans.Besides isn't batman beyond a little involved there too.

Batman makes an appearance in one of the episodes, but aside from a few off-hand references to Gotham, use the word "schway" and a visit by the villains from "Mind Games", there weren't any direct relations to Batman Beyond past that.

It's a good show, but I really don't think it'd sell.

-BB

Silly McGooses

09-22-2006, 03:13 PM

a visit by the villains from "Mind Games"

I hadn't heard about that. I hope I get to see that ep eventually...

Br'er Lappin

09-22-2006, 04:04 PM

Crossdive

09-23-2006, 02:04 AM

well, thanks for answering all, I appreciate it. ;) I confess I'm disappointed to hear that, but I don't blame them. Warner obviously pleases its fans, but no business I know of would be willing to risk a likely loss of a lot more money than would be gained. So even if the show never gets released, I guess it is not irrational of them, and we can be really glad we were blessed with so many other good releases. ^_^

Bird Boy

09-23-2006, 11:37 AM

Any word on whether WHV would consider releasing the crossover episodes separately?

I haven't heard anything, I don't think it's something they're even remotely thinking of doing, to be honest.

In other news, I should have (early) copies of JLU S1/BB S2 next week sometime, but they won't be fit for review as they aren't the final retail product. But I can give you guys some initial impressions of it, anyway! :)

-BB

Cortez2301

09-23-2006, 12:15 PM

I haven't heard anything, I don't think it's something they're even remotely thinking of doing, to be honest.

In other news, I should have (early) copies of JLU S1/BB S2 next week sometime, but they won't be fit for review as they aren't the final retail product. But I can give you guys some initial impressions of it, anyway! :)

-BBThank you.

JEWCY

09-25-2006, 09:49 PM

the screen menus are up now and they still have the normal justice league design with things like Hawkgirl's mask still on, lines still on Superman's face from season 1, and unfortunately unless there are a lot of easter eggs for commentaries, there are only two present there, and have The Joker and Darkseid present on them, even though they are not in seasons 3-4.

At least they have the "bold new look" of green lantern's hair style.

Dont get me wrong. I want this set, I really do, but Id prefer it in single season releases (one for each of the unlimited seasons so 3 of them) with justice to the cover being updated (like with hawkgirl's mask, what is this the comic book where it takes several issues to update it, well there is only one more dvd cover so i dont know what is up)

maybe instead of rushing to get it to dvd so quick, they wouldnt have these mistakes for getting them out 3 months in between (secret society/hereafter being screwed up and the whole phil lamarr/jason hillhouse screwup, and this stuff)

A.J

09-25-2006, 10:19 PM

r0derix

09-25-2006, 10:28 PM

The site that shall not be named.

JEWCY

09-25-2006, 11:09 PM

i just didnt name the site because i have seen it not mentioned, but why isnt it?

E. Nygma

09-25-2006, 11:22 PM

It honestly better not be in this order, that doesn't even make sense!

http://www.johndegrande.com/24/jlu15.jpg

Bird Boy

09-25-2006, 11:30 PM

It honestly better not be in this order, that doesn't even make sense!

http://www.johndegrande.com/24/jlu15.jpg

That's the order. The only screw up is "Hunter's Moon" is before the rest of the episodes...so not a big deal. I got the test discs today as well...will have menu shots on WF tomorrow if anyone cares.

And yeah, no extra special features on JLU. A bummer to be sure...but hot damn, do these episodes look great in 16x9.

BB: S2 is great as well. Special guest on the commentaries, which you'll see listed on the menu shots (not sure if the site that shall not be named put the BB shots up as well).

-BB

E. Nygma

09-25-2006, 11:37 PM

Does it play in that order during play all too? Question Authority leads directly into Flashpoint so it would definately be jarring to have Hunter's Moon jammed inbetween the two.

You're right though, it's not a huge deal, easily remedied just by choosing the episodes in the correct order, but it still seems to me like an easy mistake to catch.

Bird Boy

09-25-2006, 11:41 PM

Does it play in that order during play all too? Question Authority leads directly into Flashpoint so it would definately be jarring to have Hunter's Moon jammed inbetween the two.

I'll check and get back to you. I assume it does though.

Edit: Yup. Hunters Moon comes before Flashpoint.

You're right though, it's not a huge deal, easily remedied just by choosing the episodes in the correct order, but it still seems to me like an easy mistake to catch.

Yup!

JLU Menu Shots:
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/

BB Menu Shots:
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/beyond/releases/dvd/seasontwo/

-BB

Simpler Simon

09-26-2006, 12:04 AM

Wait...theres stock art of Elongated Man fighting Darkseid..?!

The guest star on the BB commentaries is a treat.

True bummer on the lack of more extras for JLU. I expect this will turn into those whine and moan situations and then someone comes along and tells everyone to shut up and be thankful for what we did get. Sure.

How could they get Hunters Moon/Question Authority mixed up?

At least GL is sporting his revamped look...and with consistency to boot.

Bird Boy

09-26-2006, 12:16 AM

Wait...theres stock art of Elongated Man fighting Darkseid..?!

That's what I asked myself as I loaded the menus. Kind of sat there with a strange look on my face, I'm sure.

The guest star on the BB commentaries is a treat.

It is. Not only that, the guest added a lot of neat stories as well. Good stuff.

True bummer on the lack of more extras for JLU. I expect this will turn into those whine and moan situations and then someone comes along and tells everyone to shut up and be thankful for what we did get. Sure.

Yup. I wouldn't be surprised if something is said about it on the next set at the very least. I can't imagine the creative team NOT wanting to talk a bit about Cadmus and "Epilogue." It was big stuff.

How could they get Hunters Moon/Question Authority mixed up?

Could have been the production order or...something. I don't honestly know. What I find funny is they have a few eps with alternate titles ("aka Galatea" for instance). It'd save menu space if they didn't do that, but whatever...it's a neat addition.

At least GL is sporting his revamped look...and with consistency to boot.

He is...but no one else is in the least bit updated. Curiouser and curiouser.

Damn stock art!

-BB

Shadow_X

09-26-2006, 01:21 AM

Hi,

I notice that this release won´t have any subs :( , Yes we get more language tracks(french and spanish) but I thought that the subs were a sure thing :(

I know that the menu shots are from some test discs, is there a chance that the final set will have subs? or we can forget about them :(

Anyway leaving that aside I´m really looking foward to this boxset.

Later...

Hades

09-26-2006, 02:17 AM

That is messed up about Hunter's Moon being after Question Authority instead of before, but at least the great thing about DVD is that you can easily go to that episode, and then hit the back button to go to QA, and then Next to go to Flashpoint.

BTW, do these sets have chapter stops yet? I'm tired of using fast forward.

Lastly, I cannot wait to see Mind Games for Batman Beyond as that is the best episode in the series.

A.J

09-26-2006, 09:28 AM

I am thankful for finally getting JLU in a dvd set. I really am. But there are things I cannot understand sometimes. I know we were all eager to get JLU in dvd asap. I know we asked WHV a zillion times to release it asap. I know we were hoping to get JLU in WS. But why, just why cant they give us something ALMOST perfect? By the look of all those menus shots it seems we are getting a rushed product with lot of mistakes. Ill save up any more comment about this set until someone give us a complete review about it. I still have hope for some easter eggs giving us a well deserved commentaries about the Cadmus Arc. So ill hold up a little more and post my final point of view about this.

S.C.B

09-26-2006, 09:53 AM

Lastly, I cannot wait to see Mind Games for Batman Beyond as that is the best episode in the series.

Maybe not the best, but it's definitely one of my favourites, mostly because of the really intense battles.

Incidentally, 'Hunter's Moon' is always shown after 'Question Authority' over here in the UK, so perhaps it's a production number thing.

Good to hear about the 16:9, though.

Bird Boy

09-26-2006, 11:34 AM

Hi,

I notice that this release won´t have any subs :( , Yes we get more language tracks(french and spanish) but I thought that the subs were a sure thing :(

Batman Beyond has subtitles in French and Spanish and JLU has alternate audio tracks in French and Spanish. I just checked JLU to be sure and it doesn't have any subtitles.

I know that the menu shots are from some test discs, is there a chance that the final set will have subs? or we can forget about them :(

There's always a chance something will change, which is why I never review test discs. Keep in mind, however, that out of all the test discs I've gotten over the years...nothing has ever changed on the final product.

BTW, do these sets have chapter stops yet? I'm tired of using fast forward.

Nope. No chapter stops. Those STAS V2 and BTAS V4 were the only ones with them, for some very odd reason.

-BB

Br'er Lappin

09-26-2006, 11:49 AM

It honestly better not be in this order, that doesn't even make sense!

http://www.johndegrande.com/24/jlu15.jpg

What's interesting is according to the episode guide at Cartoon Network's website, that is the correct order.

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/jlu/index.html

Then, go to episodes 21-30.

James Harvey

09-26-2006, 11:52 AM

Once screener copies are released within the next couple weeks, expect full reviews for these DVDs to be up at The World’s Finest (http://wf.toonzone.net). And, as usual, I’ll have the talkbacks up for Justice League Unlimited: Season One and Batman Beyond: Season Two on their street date.

Stay tuned for more updates on these DVDs, and others, very soon!

Shadow_X

09-26-2006, 12:26 PM

Batman Beyond has subtitles in French and Spanish and JLU has alternate audio tracks in French and Spanish. I just checked JLU to be sure and it doesn't have any subtitles.

There's always a chance something will change, which is why I never review test discs. Keep in mind, however, that out of all the test discs I've gotten over the years...nothing has ever changed on the final product.

-BB

Hi,

Thanks for the answer BB, and well there´s the possibilty that the final product may have some things different, but I was afraid about exactly what you mention, that at the end there is no difference in the final product :(

I don´t understad why this happends, since BTAS the subs always have been present, and suddely in one of the last releases of the DCAU series, they´re gone, something similar happend with the language tracks, they dissapeared for a while and now in this release, we got them back, but no subs :sad:, don´t get me wrong I´m happy that we will soon get JLU on DVD and to know that this release will have the spanish dub again, but the subs in these days are something very important, its a shame, personally I don´t think I´ll have trouble understanding the episodes, but I wanted to share this series with a friend, he has watched some episodes, and he really like the series, and I was planning to show him this season(specially the whole Cadmus Arc), I hope he don´t mind watching the dubb version :p

Anyway, let´s pray that in the final product we can get more extras(commentaries hidden as Easter Eggs) and some subtitles.

Thx againg for the info. BB

Later...

A.J

09-26-2006, 01:04 PM

Maybe not the best, but it's definitely one of my favourites, mostly because of the really intense battles.

Incidentally, 'Hunter's Moon' is always shown after 'Question Authority' over here in the UK, so perhaps it's a production number thing.

Same situation with CN latino...I guess its a production thing as you say.

Oh, and Shadow X, hopefully no subs but close caption available! thatd work! :)

Hanshotfirst113

09-26-2006, 05:17 PM

Same situation with CN latino...I guess its a production thing as you say.

Oh, and Shadow X, hopefully no subs but close caption available! thatd work! :)

Once you've got the DVDs, you can watch them in whichever order you like :D.

Toddman

09-26-2006, 05:17 PM

Wait...theres stock art of Elongated Man fighting Darkseid..?!

Forget about that, who else is as excited as me to watch all of those memorable JLU Season 1 & 2 episodes that feature not only Darkseid (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/m18.jpg), but Sinestro (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/m07.jpg), the Ultra-Humanite (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/m09.jpg), the Manhunters (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/m06.jpg), the Joker and Dr. Destiny (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/m11.jpg).

...Wow. Out of the nine villains shown on the menus, only three are actually in any of the episodes (and none of those three appear as they do on the menu art). I'm sure glad WHV was able to keep their summer interns busy this year :shrug:.

Toddman

A.J

09-26-2006, 06:32 PM

Forget about that, who else is as excited as me to watch all of those memorable JLU Season 1 & 2 episodes that feature not only Darkseid (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/m18.jpg), but Sinestro (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/m07.jpg), the Ultra-Humanite (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/m09.jpg), the Manhunters (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/m06.jpg), the Joker and Dr. Destiny (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/m11.jpg).

:sweat:

Redemption

09-26-2006, 07:35 PM

Once you've got the DVDs, you can watch them in whichever order you like :D.
Unfortunatly, some of us like to watch our episodes in PLAY ALL and when it comes to four parter episodes, its best not to leave it and then jump back. True, I can just skip Question Authority, go to Hunters Moon then jump back into Question Authority and then switch to Flashpoint but seriously, who wants to do that?

Hanshotfirst113

09-26-2006, 08:51 PM

Unfortunatly, some of us like to watch our episodes in PLAY ALL and when it comes to four parter episodes, its best not to leave it and then jump back. True, I can just skip Question Authority, go to Hunters Moon then jump back into Question Authority and then switch to Flashpoint but seriously, who wants to do that?

Good point. Ah, how well I know the fun or hitting "play all," sitting back with some candy and immersing myself in a universe.

Bird Boy

09-26-2006, 09:27 PM

Unfortunatly, some of us like to watch our episodes in PLAY ALL and when it comes to four parter episodes, its best not to leave it and then jump back. True, I can just skip Question Authority, go to Hunters Moon then jump back into Question Authority and then switch to Flashpoint but seriously, who wants to do that?

Well theres no chapters, so right as Question Authority ends and Hunter's Moon starts, hit skip and you'll be right in the next part of the Cadmus finale.

Hunters Moon wasn't that much of a must-watch show to begin with and can easily be watched in any order.

-BB

Crow

09-27-2006, 04:51 AM

BB, about the Themes of Justice bonus.........

Bird Boy

09-27-2006, 10:41 AM

BB, about the Themes of Justice bonus.........

What about it? What is it? How is it?

It's just like the Batman Beyond feature and has clips from the shows with music over them. If I'm remembering right, theres more music to choose from on this JLU one than the BB one.

I'll try to remember to get a menu shot of the tracks later today.

Edit: Heres the shot (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/m19.jpg).

-BB

James Harvey

09-27-2006, 11:43 AM

Just an update on Justice League Unlimited: Season Two: Content is already in the works for it, possibly including a look at the infamous "Cadmus Arc." Once we know more information on the release, such as street date and extras content, we'll let everyone here know. Until then, let's keep focused on Justice League Unlimited: Season One and Batman Beyond: Season Two.

Cortez2301

09-27-2006, 01:24 PM

Cool jlu season 2 already being in the works.That is cool.I hope it is released in march.

A.J

09-27-2006, 02:32 PM

JEWCY

09-27-2006, 03:03 PM

From the looks of this set, it seems they were planning on just having it be season 1 (of 3) because of the extras only being from that season (all the commentaries and music features are from season 1) and at the last second decided to put season 2 on there (cause for the Hunter's Moon error)

Bird Boy

09-27-2006, 05:26 PM

Does this pretty much confirms no commentaries (such as easter eggs) about Cadmus on JLU season 1?? :sad:

There won't be. I wouldn't worry about it this time around. From the sounds of it, Season 2's set (or 3's, depending on how you look at it) will cover Cadmus. And I'm sure Epilogue will get a word or two.

-BB

Silly McGooses

09-27-2006, 06:24 PM

Yojimbo

09-27-2006, 06:27 PM

Great possible news. There should be some acknowledgement of that whole Cadmus thing.

It sounds like great potential. The staff could talk about all the choices they made in regards to the Cadmus Arc, talk about connections to previous series (Legacy, Dr. Milo (:shrug:), etc.), all the arguments. It could be better than any commentary we missed out on.

Crow

09-28-2006, 07:50 AM

What about it? What is it? How is it?

It's just like the Batman Beyond feature and has clips from the shows with music over them. If I'm remembering right, theres more music to choose from on this JLU one than the BB one.

I'll try to remember to get a menu shot of the tracks later today.

Edit: Heres the shot (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/releases/dvd/seasonone/m19.jpg).

-BB

You stallion, you.

I'm thinking the first battle with Brimstone (the four of them against it) would be the scene that's isolated. The second and third are pretty obvious (Luthor's escape from Kara & Steel/Diana & Atom's run through the gauntlet of robo-bugs). The music from Grundy and Shayera's sewer scene is very nice, and the part where Batman and GL are chasing Cronos through time is also pretty cool.

I can't wait for this. I even liked the Batman Beyond music feature's menu music...

A.J

09-28-2006, 09:22 AM

Its so silly that Hawkgirl is everywhere on this set...!!! Didnt they have art for Shayera or they just didnt notice hawkgirl isnt around anymore? Whata bout those old superman designs from JL and all the villains that do not even show on JLU? LOL! Geez, by the look of every shot (extras, episodes, lenguajes) on this set its certainly obvious this was going to be SEASON 1 only but not Season 1 and 2 together...leaving season 3 for a third release....so annoying but whatever! :shrug:

dlb

09-28-2006, 11:11 AM

...and all the villains that do not even show on JLU? LOL! :shrug:

Meh, I'll excuse it becuase they look pretty cool, although Darkseid vs. Black Canary and Elongated Man do not stike me as particularily epic matches. I know who I'd be putting money on!;)

A potentail Cadmus retrospective on the season 3(2?) volume is great news, and will take away some of the sting of getting shafted on the special features this time around.

Oh well, once I get this I'm sure all the ill feelings will melt away.

Bird Boy

09-28-2006, 12:10 PM

its certainly obvious this was going to be SEASON 1 only but not Season 1 and 2 together...leaving season 3 for a third release....so annoying but whatever! :shrug:

Well if that's the case, why does Darkseid appear on two different menus on this set? :p

I think it's just a case of what promo art they already have, I doubt they comission anyone to do anything updated. Just more annoying costs in the long run...

-BB

A.J

09-28-2006, 12:21 PM

When JLU season "2" dvd comes out I demand an explanation about the love relationship between a human (Tala) and a ape (Grodd)!!!! :sweat:

DisneyBoy

09-28-2006, 06:04 PM

Here's an explanation: Season Three is strange.

:D

Anyhoo, back to the real issues at hand...

But why, just why cant they give us something ALMOST perfect? By the look of all those menus shots it seems we are getting a rushed product with lot of mistakes. Ill save up any more comment about this set until someone give us a complete review about it. I still have hope for some easter eggs giving us a well deserved commentaries about the Cadmus Arc. So ill hold up a little more and post my final point of view about this.

I'm right there with you. I've spent over three hundred and fifty dollars buying up the Superman, Batman and Justice League DVDs these last few years, and it really infuriates me that for the most part, none of the sets really felt cohesive and perfect. From lousy transfers (Shadow of the Bat anyone?), to the chapter stop issues, to the promo-art and layout....honestly. These shows are really the best and most watched DC entertainment products of the last twenty years, and you'd never be able to tell from looking at the sets. I think the He-Man and She-Ra DVDs have drawbacks (the energy-level of the special features, the faster PAL transfers, the lack of Mattel or toy-related content), but at least those were really well planned. Each of the volumes fits together with the others, and all the big stuff is there, being talked about.

This "Oh let's backtrack and discuss Cadmus on volume 2 (which is really Season Three, or Five)" screams unprofessional to me. I'm not going to point fingers, but come on...

HUNTER'S MOON?!!?!

For a world seemingly so inter-connected, Mattel, DC and WB certainly get things pretty messed up as far as this show is concerned.

Of course, I'm happy for the audio commentaries we are getting. I'm happy the show is getting released in the proper aspect ratio. I'm happy there are isolated audio scores. That's all fine and dandy and exactly on the mark.

But...350 dollars. And I've never really looked at any of the sets and felt proud for the people who worked on it the way I did when I bought Baz L's Moulin Rouge. Or more recently, Gargoyles Season Two Volume One.

Silly.

James Harvey

09-29-2006, 06:44 AM

I think we should all just take a breather and not over-react to this, as it’s a bit ridiculous. What matters at the end of the day are the actual episodes. If these sets were bare, I know I wouldn’t have a problem with that at all. The bonus features are just that – bonuses, which don’t really have to be added in the first place. And given the budget assigned to these DVDs, they do a pretty fine job.

With Justice League Unlimited: Season Two, Batman Beyond: Season Three, The Batman: The Complete Third Season, and Teen Titans: The Complete Third Season (and more!) coming down the pipeline, we still have a lot of great discs coming our way.

But until then, bring on Justice League Unlimited: Season One and Batman Beyond: Season Two! October 24th can’t get here soon enough!

b.t.

09-29-2006, 10:49 AM

This "Oh let's backtrack and discuss Cadmus on volume 2 (which is really Season Three, or Five)" screams unprofessional to me.

y'know, you're absolutely right, a cadmus featurette at this point WOULD be totally "unprofessional"...what was i THINKING?....thank god i saw this before wasting everybody's time at new wave next week....consider it cancelled.

Trevor Balena

09-29-2006, 11:02 AM

y'know, you're absolutely right, a cadmus featurette at this point WOULD be totally "unprofessional"...what was i THINKING?....thank god i saw this before wasting everybody's time at new wave next week....consider it cancelled.
I know this kind of stuff (by which I mean the initial confusion on WHV's part over which seasons were to be included, and, well, our reactions to it) has got to be frustrating for you. But I'm sure that all DB meant is that these mix-ups make it seem to the outside observer like someone isn't putting as much forethought into these releases as they could be. Obviously, you, Jason Hilhouse, and many, many other people are giving these DVDs 110% of your time and energy, but the fact remains that situations like this don't seem to happen on, say, the West Wing or Angel box sets.

It goes without saying -- and maybe we should say it more often -- that we all appreciate the hard work that goes into these shows and box sets, and that when we throw our little hissy-fits its only because we want to see the best final product possible.

Wonderwall

09-29-2006, 11:22 AM

I only saw one person here throwing their little hissy fit and acting like a 6 year old who didnt get their new toy to play with. Usually I'll respect someone's opinion or at least come up with some sort of retort. But i cant stand when someone complains about something as completley insignificant as the type of packaging or menus, or the lack of commentaries on certain episodes, so to rectify this the creators will have a retrospective on an arc from the previous season..and DB is still crying fowl?! All I know is he doesnt speak for me, I enjoy just the episodes for the most part, the commentaries would be missed and yea Id like to have more because theyre usually informative( and im trying to go into the buisness so yea anything helps ) and mostly entertaining, theyre funny guys who work on these shows. Hell one of my fav sets is Batman Volume 4 and it has 1 featurette besides the commentaries but I didnt care, what mattered was still there.

Bird Boy

09-29-2006, 11:23 AM

but the fact remains that situations like this don't seem to happen on, say, the West Wing or Angel box sets.

True, but how many sets of those are/were released a year? By years end we'll have been given two full seasons of JL and two full seasons (technically) of JLU. Hell, we're getting our sets faster than Simpsons fans are.

With the speed, you have to accept some number of screw up because production is so rushed. That's why theres sometimes episodes out of order and the whole overlooking of Season 2 commentaries.

I realize some of you would gladly wait for the sets if it meant more special features, but that's the minority. Most don't even watch the special features, they buy the sets just for the episodes, which, last time I checked, have always been there.

I'm not sure how anyone could view Timm (and WHV allowing) going back to record something on the Cadmus arc "unprofessional." It was an oversight in the first JLU set and WHV obviously admitting they made a mistake by allowing the producer to go back and record something for the fans...that's actually what I'd consider to be professional. Very few companies would allow a retread, especially if it costs them in the long run.

-BB

A.J

09-29-2006, 11:56 AM

y'know, you're absolutely right, a cadmus featurette at this point WOULD be totally "unprofessional"...what was i THINKING?....thank god i saw this before wasting everybody's time at new wave next week....consider it cancelled.

...but Mr. b.t, with all respect, The Cadmus Arc happened on JLU season 1 and 2, not 3, so if we wanna be technical about it, then it should had been in JLU season "1" dvd and not in the following set, which should merely focus on the Legion of Doom arc. We all here love your work and we all respect you and your team, so I am sure DisneyBoy is just talking about whats logical and whats not. Im pretty sure this messed up is WHV´s fault and not yours. But come on, not having a commentarie on this first release of JLU on episodes as big as Epilogue or any of the four episodes finale in season 2 are a big let down for people who actually cares for extras. Dunno how you could fix this on the next release but the damage is done. Not everybody will buy both releases, some people loved season 3, some people dont. I hate this mistakes on high quality shows like JLU. Doesnt mean I WONT get the dvds, but as a customer I can express my opinion about it since the show wouldnt be a success without its fans. JLU deserves the best, I guess we all just love too much this show :sad:

Trevor Balena

09-29-2006, 11:57 AM

True, but how many sets of those are/were released a year? By years end we'll have been given two full seasons of JL and two full seasons (technically) of JLU. Hell, we're getting our sets faster than Simpsons fans are.

With the speed, you have to accept some number of screw up because production is so rushed. That's why theres sometimes episodes out of order and the whole overlooking of Season 2 commentaries. And believe me, I understand that. I hope I made clear with my last post that I'm more than grateful for what we're getting. My point was simple: whatever the reason, mistakes are being made, and when mistakes are made on a product people care about, it would be silly not to expect some of those people to get a little upset. You and the other moderators are right to expect civility and courtesy from the posters here, but it's naive to think everything's going to be all sunshine and kittens all the time.

Still, I predict that when the set does come out, most of the complaints will die down. I know I'm still looking forward to it!

Bird Boy

09-29-2006, 12:03 PM

And believe me, I understand that. I hope I made clear with my last post that I'm more than grateful for what we're getting. My point was simple: whatever the reason, mistakes are being made, and when mistakes are made on a product people care about, it would be silly not to expect some of those people to get a little upset. You and the other moderators are right to expect civility and courtesy from the posters here, but it's naive to think everything's going to be all sunshine and kittens all the time.

You were perfectly clear, I was just making sure everyone else knew why the mistakes happen. And I've been here long enough that the last thing I expect when I come to this forum is sunshine and kittens. :p

Still, I predict that when the set does come out, most of the complaints will die down. I know I'm still looking forward to it!

It will. It's not really that big of a shift to havce the Cadmus recap on the season 3 set, as that is where General Eiling's story wrapped up and was the last time we officially heard from Cadmus...

-BB

Cortez2301

09-29-2006, 12:58 PM

My God.You can never tell when b.t. is looking at us.He just popped out of nowhere!

b.t.

09-29-2006, 01:22 PM

I know this kind of stuff (by which I mean the initial confusion on WHV's part over which seasons were to be included, and, well, our reactions to it) has got to be frustrating for you. But I'm sure that all DB meant is that these mix-ups make it seem to the outside observer like someone isn't putting as much forethought into these releases as they could be. Obviously, you, Jason Hilhouse, and many, many other people are giving these DVDs 110% of your time and energy, but the fact remains that situations like this don't seem to happen on, say, the West Wing or Angel box sets.

i totally understand the urge to complain about imperfections...hell, i myself whine and nit-pick on other message boards all the time....and i know perfectly well what disneyboy MEANT to say, but his inexact and characteristically melodramatic phrasing inadvertantly cast aspersions on not only WHV but on myself and the good people at NWE...i usually try real hard to not chomp at the bait, but to have the DCAU sets unfavorably compared to the HE-MAN sets just popped my tolerance threshold....

but using the HE-MAN sets as an example in this instance IS instructive: BCI is a relatively small video company, they have a LOT less product to focus their attention on...WHV is a HUGE dvd supplier, with dozens of releases every single month....and JLU, whether we want to admit it or not, is a "niche" item, certainly "high profile" HERE in our little corner of the world, but in the mainstream, eh, not so much...in a year when the same outfit is prepping WEST WING and VERONICA MARS and GILMORE GIRLS season sets, not to mention a new HARRY POTTER movie and BETTE DAVIS "signature collections" and FILM NOIR collections and multiple SUPERMAN movie mega-sets, i'm not at all surprised when JLU doesn't get top priority...i'm DISAPPOINTED and FRUSTRATED when things fall through the cracks or otherwise go wrong, no doubt about it, but if i allowed myself to become "infuriated" over every percieved slight, i'd be ulcer-bound in no time....not trying to make excuses here, just trying to put things in perspective....stuff happens....:shrug:

Hanshotfirst113

09-29-2006, 01:34 PM

What is the controvery about? What is the alleged problem with the set going to be?

William C. Maune

09-29-2006, 01:48 PM

As a Gargoyles fan (and a DCAU fan), I wish Gargoyles was getting as good a treatment on DVD as the DCAU. Unlike Gargoyles, all of the episodes are actually being released on DVD (as opposed to being cut off 3/5 of the way through). Having the episodes on DVD is more important than any packaging or features and in that respect, WHV is doing a lot better than other major companies out there.

JSmith

09-29-2006, 02:41 PM

Who cares about extras? How often do you listen to commentaries?? Once? Is there anything they say that you couldn't learn off this forum? I'm just thrilled that we are getting JLU Cadmus Arc earlier than we expected. To me, it is hands down the best thing Bruce Timm and Co. have done so far. To get these shows with great audio and video is all I really want from Warner Home Video. Anything else is gravy and there's no point in complaining about something you know you're gonna buy anyway and enjoy the heck out of.

Bird Boy

09-29-2006, 02:42 PM

What is the controvery about? What is the alleged problem with the set going to be?

Special features were recorded for season 1 (first 13 episodes of JLU). WHV announced the set as a four disc set and it would include 26 episodes of JLU, the other 13 being what was broadcast as season 2. There wasn't enough time to go back and record any special features for the other 13 episodes on the set, but we're getting, at the very least, a Cadmus recap on the next set.

-BB

Silly McGooses

09-29-2006, 02:48 PM

BozQ

09-29-2006, 03:20 PM

I believe there was some confusion at the backroom with the terms 'Season One' and 'Season Two', which resulted in the lack of bonus materials. I'm sure that has confused a few of us here, right?

These materials are like what it says: a Bonus. It is not mandatory at all.
Ok, so I won't go on the record and say I know exactly what happened. Only b.t. knows, but that is absolutely none of our (or any audience's) concern.

When we pay US$30, we don't pay the Producers to know what is their inspiration, what is the hidden motif or themes, or how hard is it doing this and that, or how tiring, yadda yadda yadda.

It should be like watching a movie. Its just the motion picture and the accompanying soundtrack. Nothing.else. Not even subtitles.

To quote from fellow Animator/Director Brad Bird from the audio commentary of The Incredibles "I feel like we're just devolving into this litany of, "This is hard."
Because the whole movie was really hard. Its just a laundry list of hard to do stuff.
Ultimately, you know what? The audience shouldn't even think about it."

and John Lasseter "[...]it's not the technology that's going to entertain audiences, it's the story[...]you don't walk out and say 'that new Panavision camera was staggering, it made the film so good'.

Ok, it may sound unrelated, but my point for this two quotes?

In the general audience point of view, the underlying core reason why they are buying this DVD is because they want to see Superman, Batman and Co. kicking Luthor's butt at the end of the day. Not because it was well drawn and animated. Not because it was in 2D and not 3D. Not because it was from Warner Bros. And not because it was produced by Bruce Timm. (Sorry Bruce. But you're a filmmaker for many, many years. I'm very sure you know what I mean :-))

Sure the audio commentaries adds an additional level of appreciation. But I can very proudly say for JLU Season One DVDs' case, it did a mightly fine and excellent job of standing on its own without commentaries. And THAT is a great BONUS to both the general audience and filmmaker.

I'll be fair here. We are no general audience here. We are fans. However, since we ARE fans, we CAN do our part and be more appreciative. To have these episodes released in such a short period of time after first broadcast is a really rare thing. And especially so with TV series. And even even more so with cartoons.

I strongly believe its a bit of confusion at the back, and Bruce is offering an excellent contribution by even considering making up for it in the next set.

We are talking about JLU here, not something as huge and popular as say Star Wars where the studio can afford to author and produce as many releases to get things right.

I've only been following up in the DCAU world for less than a quarter year and I can say I've never ever seen a filmmaker that interacts so closely and intimately with its fans, and with this coming from a student/amatuer filmmaker myself, he earns my complete admiration and respect.

So let's be more appreciative, shall we? In fact, let's be the ultimate fan and appreciate what matters most, the actual series itself. Not the bonus materials, nothing else.

Sorry for my long rant here :)

Bat Bruce

09-29-2006, 05:20 PM

Bravo BozQ <clap> <clap> <clap>

Hanshotfirst113

09-29-2006, 05:59 PM

Special features were recorded for season 1 (first 13 episodes of JLU). WHV announced the set as a four disc set and it would include 26 episodes of JLU, the other 13 being what was broadcast as season 2. There wasn't enough time to go back and record any special features for the other 13 episodes on the set, but we're getting, at the very least, a Cadmus recap on the next set.

-BB

While special features would be great, my first and foremost perrogative is a high quality versions of the work itself. We're getting a good anamorphic transfer and a good sound mix, both of which as originally broadcast. That's more than enough for me. Don't get me wrong, I'd love some extras, but at least the show isn't getting shortchanged with a substandard transfer. That is real sign of respect for fans to me, to say nothing of meeting insutry standards.

As a Gargoyles fan (and a DCAU fan), I wish Gargoyles was getting as good a treatment on DVD as the DCAU. Unlike Gargoyles, all of the episodes are actually being released on DVD (as opposed to being cut off 3/5 of the way through).

Yet. The Gargoyles DVD have maintained sales, so it's a safe bet that the rest will come out eventually.

Toddman

09-29-2006, 06:03 PM

Who cares about extras? How often do you listen to commentaries?? Once?

Speak for yourself.

I end up watching/listening to each episode w/commentary numerous times. In addition to the production team being genuinely entertaining to listen to, I find that there are usually so many facts and anticdotes bantered back and forth that multiple viewings become necassary to really soak it all in.

On more than one occasion I've popped in a couple of discs so I can be entertained by the commentary alone.

It's a real compliment to the creative team that they can not only deliver a quality product that can continually be enjoyed for multiple viewings (that's why it's on DVD in the first place, right?), but they also standout as highlights of some thoroughly riveting commentaries and featurettes. I don't think that's an easy thing to do. "Star Wars", for example, I could watch once a month and probably always be thrilled by it, but if I have to listen to George Lucas ramble on for more than 15 minutes at a time, I'll end up putting my head in the oven.

Toddman

Crow

09-29-2006, 09:09 PM

This little crisis reminds me of the anamorphic stuff from the Season 2 set - once it landed nobody said nothing, even though the first two (or three?) disc's episodes had a strange transfer in that character outlines were 'bumpy' compared to the fourth disc's smooth stuff. Now I was thinking that those who were crucifying Hillhouse and his team for for no anamorphic transfer would go on about that - there was absolutely nothing from anywhere. Which is the way it should be.

I'm glad there's no commentary on Epilogue, it'd be Mel Gibson providing a commentary track on The Passion of the Christ.

I understand where a lot of the pessimism comes from, the almighty dollar (I don't even want to think about adding up my total expenditure on DC DVDs!) rather than trivial stuff - leave that to Star Wars fans - but in the end like BB says we've got all the sets so fast in such a short length of time so that's the main thing.

Cortez2301

09-29-2006, 09:26 PM

Did you guys see that?!?!?!?!?!? I told you b.t. would appear from nowhere! Right after I spoke!

JHillhouse

09-29-2006, 10:30 PM

Well, ok then.

Haven't been here in a while. It's taken me a while to write this, so I hope that once it's posted it isn't obsolete.

bt, you think we should tell 'em that the Epilogue episode itself got left off of the new discs?

Put down the rocket launchers, I'm kidding. Or am I? (Yes.)

Some responses in no particular order...

First of all, I think we can all agree that Hanshotfirst is a great name. And, personally, I like the 113. You don't need that 8! It keeps you a rebel. It's like, "Mr. Lucas, if you're putting Hayden at the end of Jedi for no good reason, then Sir, I completely refuse to pay homage to your first film!". I think it's good to draw a line and stand behind it. I wish I'd thought of it.

BozQ, I would argue that lots of folks do buy stuff based on bt's involvement. Sure the characters are great, but as we have all seen over the years, it becomes about creators take on the characters and the stories and such that make the final product (movie, TV show, comic books, whatever) something people respond to. Just look at Batman over the years (which you can do in the doc "Legends of the Dark Knight: The History of Batman" which can be found on the first Burton Batman disc. Nice plug, eh?). Quite the difference between the serials from the 40's to the Adam West show to Frank Miller's take to Burton to Joel S. to B:TAS (or even Batman Beyond for that matter) and yet all are still Batman. So, I'll say it since he won't. Bruce has a huge fan base. There were a whole lot of folks in that huge room at ComiCon for a reason. I saw 'em and talked to them. That's why lots and lots of people (me included) are excited to see what he's gonna do next.

That said, I want you guys to know that, although it ain't always perfect, we are all really commited to these discs. There are always problems to overcome and paramaters to work within, but we are, believe it or not, actually putting thought into this stuff. The goal since the first snap pack that I worked on for these shows (and especially from the first season set of B:TAS) was to have at the end of this a pretty full collection of supplements to go with these fantastic shows. And the people that have been the most committed to doing stuff for the fans are Bruce and the various crews. These guys have been more than accomodating with their time, research and materials. If you want to yell at me (more), go ahead. But just say "Thanks." to Bruce and the rest of the folks who have participated in these. Making these good for the fans have been their main concern the whole way through. Why else would we even bother doing a Cadmus thing at all? Do we wish it was on the other set? Of course, but things happen and at the end of the day, when all is said and done you'll have a piece on it. Is it the end of the world? REALLY? Would you rather not have anything on it? It's a bit of a disappointment to be sure, but c'mon AJ, my Ghostbuster, "the damage is done"? A bit dramatic maybe? It's not like we're taking Batman out of the episodes and replacing him with a ghostly image of Hayden Christiansen. Although, now that I think of it...

Understand, I'm not asking for praise here. You have a right as fans and consumers to be critical. I may even be the first in line to be critical on some points. That's what's great about this board (and used to be great about this country). Hop on here DB, with your Wonder Woman lovin' self. Say what you want. Just be aware of how you come across. I'm the king of having to explain the intent of what I've written because I tend to write like I talk (which most would argue is way too much). And maybe you meant it the way it came out or maybe not, but throwing around words like "unprofessional" and "He-Man" will get a reaction. Just make sure it's the one you meant to get.

I would just say that for anyone jumping on a board or whatever, I tend to listen more when you're informed or are at least trying to be. (Not saying, you're not, DB. More of a general note) Don't turn this into an AINTITCOOL talkback where people hide behind names and just say everything sucks and use it as an excuse to swear (and this is coming from a dude that loves to swear). You guys seem to have found a great forum to talk about these shows that you really love. Listen, I'm as passionate about this stuff as anyone. I get angry. I get disappointed. And I'll go off on a rant. And believe me, I have been disillusioned from time to time. And my spelling is horrendous. But I just want to try to give you guys the perspective that you might not get out there in cyberworld. And at the end of the day, it is about the shows. I just hope that we're giving you some good times along the way with the bonus features. 'Cos that's our job.

And, for the record, I have ulcers. Seriously.

Toddman, you usually make me laugh. I don't want to say "always" because I don't know that to be completely true, but usually.

Silly, I bet he'll be back.

And, yes, Eggbaby.

Later,
Jason

A.J

09-29-2006, 10:59 PM

Jason, your words are very true. Gotta admit I am so proud of having someone as you giving us a different focus on this situation, having b.t talking about his shows and dvds, me being part of this great community and being a loyal fan to the DCAU. Your words, I think, is what this situation needed and let me tell ya that you are a great conciliator and a person. Me, being a lawyer here in my country, makes me express myself about facts most of the time so I apologize if I sounded too dramatic, I was just trying to be technical. Dont forget you english speakers I try to do my best on your lenguaje so sometimes I may not find the right words to express my feelings :sweat:

Thanks for your words man, I cant wait to get this set asap,

Ghostbuster AJ :D

TheGrayGhost

09-29-2006, 11:27 PM

y'know, you're absolutely right, a cadmus featurette at this point WOULD be totally "unprofessional"...what was i THINKING?....thank god i saw this before wasting everybody's time at new wave next week....consider it cancelled.

EDIT: Nevermind. Everyone else touched on it.

Oh, and Mr. Bruce Timm, do you happen to own a Nintendo DS? I was playing against someone online on Mario Kart DS who had your name and avatar. Does anyone else on your staff or family have one? I'd love to play with you online. Don't tell me you're a PSP kind of guy. Eww.

Who wants to play some Mario Kart?!?!

Cortez2301

09-29-2006, 11:34 PM

FunTurtle

09-30-2006, 03:20 AM

Some time ago I heard something about a special edition re-release of Mask of the Phantasm. One that had like...special features and everything. Does anyone know if that is still a "maybe" or is it lost to time? Just curious.

Shadow_X

09-30-2006, 05:00 AM

IMHO I don´t think this is such a big problem, sure we are not getting any extras about the great Cadmus Arc in this season boxset, this is a reason why we must all be upset, maybe the producers as well because they didn´t have time to record any commentaries on those episodes,since WHV decide to release Season 1 and 2 together and the producer ran out of time, but at the end we are going to get some kind of extra that will talk about the Cadmus Arc in the next boxset of JLU, sure is not the perfect thing to put an extra about a story of a past season in the next season boxset, but still we are getting the extra, we don’t know exactly how this extra will be(may be a round table like in previous releases), but I can imagine that the producers will try to give us all necessary information about the Cadmus Arc… and of course about the “Epilogue” episode :) compensating the missing commentaries in the episodes.

I can see that many people wanted these extras for this release, believe me I´m feeling the same way, but I think we should calm down and enjoy the episodes of this release, enjoy the commentaries that we are getting and wait for the final boxset of JLU because then again at the end we are getting what we want some way or the other.

Some time ago I heard something about a special edition re-release of Mask of the Phantasm. One that had like...special features and everything. Does anyone know if that is still a "maybe" or is it lost to time? Just curious.
I believe there´s still a plan to release a Special Edition of MOTP, some time ago the people of TVshowsonDVD had a chat with a person from WHV and that person said that WHV is reviewing a MOTP Special Edition, here are the links to the entire chat:

http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=5802

http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=5803

And here is the text that mention MOTP:

<ZachDemeter> Is there any chance we'll see widescreen releases of the TEEN TITANS and THE BATMAN series on DVD? The show is animated in widescreen, but is released on fullscreen DVDs (probably due to the KIDS label). Also, any plans to release a new MASK OF THE PHANTASM DVD with new special features/commentary and audio/video transfer? And one last question--FREAKAZOID? Any plans? Thank you!

<WARNER> Teen Titans and The Batman - we are considering widescreen on both as well as evaluating a Freakazoid release. As mentioned earlier we are reviewing a Mask of the Phantasm Special Edition. Thanks for your support!
So keep your finger cross :)

Later...

P.S.

Geez!! everyone is worring about the extras and I´m the only one worring about the subs :lol: :p I feel weird :sweat:... ohh well I´m getting over it... I think so :sad::D

Bird Boy

09-30-2006, 11:38 AM

I believe there´s still a plan to release a Special Edition of MOTP, some time ago the people of TVshowsonDVD had a chat with a person from WHV and that person said that WHV is reviewing a MOTP Special Edition, here are the links to the entire chat:

Actually it was HomeTheaterForum who hosted the chat, TV Shows was just one of many sites who posted up a log of it.

And from their answer it's obvious they are still not sure it's going to happen. By "reviewing" it, it just means they're considering releasing it. Nothing concrete has been announced or even said since that chat and I doubt we'll even hear about it again until another HTF chat or they start recording special features for it.

-BB

Jiggle-Bot

09-30-2006, 11:52 AM

thought i'd add my thoughts to this...

Anyone realise that per set we normally get a handful (2/3) of episode commentaries and a featurette? For starters thats never going to be enough to cover the creative process that went on behind the show. But its better than nothing. (or breaking into the WB studios in LA and getting the stuff first hand :evil:)

Now for me, JLU season 1 and 2 have 2 different creative processes that i'd be interested in hearing about on your typical DVD special features:

Season 1 - about the inspiration and persperation that went into the expanded roster
Season 2 - The execution of a season (or even series long) arc that posed very interesting questions and put our heroes in a different sought of conflict

If the creative team knew early on that Justice League Unlimited season 1 would contain the broadcasted season 1 and 2 they'd have to skimp on the season 1 creative process features in favor of the more popular season 2 cadmus arc story lines.

Commentaries...if they could only budget to do 2 for the 26 episodes (and BB Season 2 only had 2 too) to choose to do commentaries on - however those were chosen, they'd be atleast half a dozen every fan would think should have a commentray on. Do you do one for season 1 and 2 or just do Cadmus and epilogue and neglect season 1?

So the way i see it, we get the best of both worlds (in our imperfect world) - the Cadmus arc didn't push aside season 1's behinds the scenes stuff; B.T just said they're recording stuff for the cadmas arc next week. And since its being done so early they can probably accomadate for doing LOD features on JLU season 3.

So in the end we've got JLU season 1 special features on boxset 1, JLU season 2 special features on boxset 2 and hopefully JLU season 3 special features also on boxset 2.

I'm happy with that and will gladly add the JLU Season 1 DVD boxset to my collection when it comes out.

Cortez2301

09-30-2006, 01:29 PM

Regarding the Zeta project,I think WB can just release the whole thing on one boxset as they should do the same with freakazoid.Just one boxset with 2 audio commentaries and 1 discussion featurette and thats it.

BozQ

09-30-2006, 01:46 PM

BozQ, I would argue that lots of folks do buy stuff based on bt's involvement. Sure the characters are great, but as we have all seen over the years, it becomes about creators take on the characters and the stories and such that make the final product (movie, TV show, comic books, whatever) something people respond to. Just look at Batman over the years (which you can do in the doc "Legends of the Dark Knight: The History of Batman" which can be found on the first Burton Batman disc. Nice plug, eh?). Quite the difference between the serials from the 40's to the Adam West show to Frank Miller's take to Burton to Joel S. to B:TAS (or even Batman Beyond for that matter) and yet all are still Batman. So, I'll say it since he won't. Bruce has a huge fan base. There were a whole lot of folks in that huge room at ComiCon for a reason. I saw 'em and talked to them. That's why lots and lots of people (me included) are excited to see what he's gonna do next.Which is exactly the reason why I seperated my rant into two groups. The general audience and the fans.

The fans of the DCAU are extraordinary. The communication gap between Bruce and the fans are very close. Close enough to understand what constraints is he working under.

Maybe it was all a big mess up when Warner asked to have Episodes 1 to 26 in the boxset, which resulted in much less bonus content. And we've followed him on his journey for a long time to know what are the kind of difficulties he has to work with.

Its just really plain too bad for this season's case. Can we blame him? He's the Producer, the one important man that has to listen to the Execuive Producers at Warner.

These kind of foul ups don't just disappoint us fans, but the flimmakers as well, as they are not given the opportunity to offer what they want/can to their supporters.

And everyone is very fortunate that there is one final chance for Bruce to do his best to make up for lost content in all best interests intended.

Hades

09-30-2006, 02:46 PM

IN all honesty, I am happy we are getting another 26 episode set for JL rather than 3 13 episode ones.

A.J

09-30-2006, 03:48 PM

BirdBoy is there already an early review on JLU season 1 and BB season 2? I cant wait to read it. I wonder, I just wonder, how JLU looks on Widescreen!? Ive only seen it in Fullscreen here where I live since the dvds were FS!! :p

Oh, and I bet that commentarie on This Little piggy must be fun to hear! Is Paul Dini involved? is it a video commentarie or just audio? Me wonders...runs to check out the back cover box...:)

Cortez2301

09-30-2006, 03:51 PM

IN all honesty, I am happy we are getting another 26 episode set for JL rather than 3 13 episode ones.ditto.But I wish they rectified the minor problem of saying season 1 and change it to volume 1.I'm sorry but knowing there were 3 seasons already,this little thing bothers me.

DisneyBoy

10-01-2006, 12:23 PM

Well...okay.

DRAMA.

Go and record something about the Cadmus arc for the next JLU set Mr Timm. I know we're all going to love watching/hearing it. That was never in question.

....

I'm really getting tired/amused with trying to sit here sometimes and defend what I've written simply because people choose to get their shorts in a total bunch. I guess that comes with the territory, but honestly Mr Timm, it always seems like theres a big blood vessel popping on your forehead when you're writing to me on these boards, and that's no fun for either of us. I've spent 15 years watching and supporting your work, and the few times I've been critical of things it's never been out of malice or spite. It's been because I'm immersed in what you've done, and learn from closer examination of it.

If you knew anything about me other than what you read here, you'd know you're "DisneyBoy is melodramatic/inexact/casting aspersions" label doesn't fit. I'm not the one picking apart everything you say to label you or your work as one thing or another, but that's how you treat me and react to everything I say. A little knee-jerk, don't you think? If I wanted to say "Timm doesn't care about these sets" or "WHM is being lazy and expecting us to buy garbage" I'd just say that.

I said what I meant to say, and how I meant to say it. There are more professional DVD sets out there, which raise the quality of the material presented on them merely by being organized, thorough and all-encompassing. I have such a love for your work, I only wish that these DVD sets were treating it the way the Moulin Rouge 2 disc set treated that film.

And yes, I don't like how the Gilmore Girls sets are inconsistant with extras and bonus material. The same goes for the Lois and Clark sets. Heck, there are a lot of DVDs I don't buy strictly because I'm expecting/hoping that an "ultimate edition" will someday reach the market. Consequently, I don't have a lot of DVDs.

But I have yours.

Try and remember that the next time you try and paint me or my words here as something they aren't.

DB

EDIT:

Jason I was curious to know if you guys pulled through on that isolated track of Kevin singing "Am I Blue"? I remember Mr Timm saying repeatedly that he was really hoping for that on this set.

Bird Boy

10-01-2006, 04:37 PM

Since people have started doing it around here lately in this thread, I'm going to re-iterate it:

Please don't make personal requests to those involved with the show or shows DVD production. This forum isn't meant for that.

Thank you.

-Zach

John Cage

10-02-2006, 08:00 AM

Well theres no chapters...

No chapters?!? I was hoping that, at the very least, WHV would include chapters for JLU season one since they seem to be doing that with all of their season sets. Ah shoot.

True, but how many sets of those are/were released a year? By years end we'll have been given two full seasons of JL and two full seasons (technically) of JLU. Hell, we're getting our sets faster than Simpsons fans are.

With the speed, you have to accept some number of screw up because production is so rushed. That's why theres sometimes episodes out of order and the whole overlooking of Season 2 commentaries.

I'm as appreciative as anyone to get just about the entire run of Justice League in a year's time, but I'd rather have the sets be as good as they could be rather than have them on the shelves at lightning speed. If prep time means longer wait times between releases I'm all for it. It's easier on my wallet too, if you know what I mean.

Have a good day.
John Cage

Bird Boy

10-02-2006, 09:55 AM

No chapters?!? I was hoping that, at the very least, WHV would include chapters for JLU season one since they seem to be doing that with all of their season sets. Ah shoot.

Yeah I don't know what's up with it either.

Ah well at least the JLU theme is worth listenting to each time. :p

I'm as appreciative as anyone to get just about the entire run of Justice League in a year's time, but I'd rather have the sets be as good as they could be rather than have them on the shelves at lightning speed. If prep time means longer wait times between releases I'm all for it.

Exactly what I was saying earlier. Many of you would be willing to wait, but the mass consumer, should he be buying these specific releases, won't really care too much. By keeping releases frequent, WB doesn't allow the brand to be "forgotten", so it can constantly renew shelf space with newer product every few months.

I'm fully aware that you and many of us (myself included) would be willing to wait it out for more special features, but the goof up on this set is being remedied on the next one, so it's not a big loss.

It's easier on my wallet too, if you know what I mean.

Oh yes..yes, yes yes. At least they aren't hitting on death day December 5/6th like they did last year. That was such an expensive day...

-BB

BozQ

10-02-2006, 11:04 AM

Ah well at least the JLU theme is worth listenting to each time. :pAMEN! I am SO NOT going to skip the Intro theme when I watch every episode. In fact, I'm going to turn UP my volume every time that comes on.

This is MY most favourite theme of all DCAU!

Hades

10-02-2006, 11:17 AM

I'd still rather have chapter stops though.

And I personally think the Batman Beyond theme is the best.

mightyone

10-02-2006, 01:13 PM

I've posted here before under "thegreenman" but my password is not working. Something I can bring up later, but I felt compelled to toss in my two cents on this subject. As a kinda outsider look in. Though, I too work inside, but I'm not willing to reveal what I work on or who with.

I can tell you that the practices that these corporations have are very frustrating and unfair to the consumer. They are also in turn unfair to the artists who work on them. To be honest with you, and I make no attempts on speaking on BT's behalf he and his staff were mistreated. But since they are employed by the "Corp" that signs their checks, do you really think they're going to come on the internet and say otherwise?

Well, I'll tell you this, a lot of it may have to do with BT's personality, he seems like a nice enough guy to get what he wants and all. But he may not be nameworthy enough to throw his weight around. At some point the bigger artists can simply refuse to release a half*** DVD and WB would go ahead with a barebones edition with no input from BT & staff. Or it could have gone the other way where WHV actually listened. It seems both parties are listening to each other, but somewhere there is a department (or people) that just doesn't care.

I will agree that in this day and age snappercases, barebones releases, are not standard by any means. Extras are icing, but it's quickly becoming filling as well. No one has to buy a DVD from a "Corp" just because it's from the "Corp". Digital format is going to ensue over the film industry just as it has the music industry, and all this petty arguing isn't going to mean squat when you just get your episodes and you can essentially make you own DVD's. Now, remember that part about BT throwing his weight, well, that is enough weight right there for the man. What these business execs don't understand is about the consumers. They go off of numbers and stats, but that is only right some of the time. These sets assests are honestly the extras and docs, sure some peopel don't watch them. But those who have interest do.

The baby boomers do!
The people industry savvy do!
Students of the industry do!

It's the reason why Tarantino can refuse Jackie Brown on DVD for years. He knows the industry and waited until he could get rights for Disney to put some trailers on there from Pam and Rob's older flicks. Because it's one thing to say "they used to be" and another to SHOW what they used to be. That's weight. But he's QT and not BT. You guys need to make BT a household name by throwing his name around, not only on here or a convention but in the world. When you talk to friends, tell them who he is and what he's done. When crap like "THE BATMAN" comes out thinking they can do what he's done, audiences will know this ain't BT. Now, I do think it sucks that this set was done poorly, not nearly as bad as some. I would love a Ducktales set with some insight on Don Rosa and Carl Barks, and how those comics influence the opening sequence to Raiders of the Lost Ark. Haven't seen it yet, because Barks is gone and Disney is well, I don't even want to get started.

But please enjoy the sets as they are. They ain't that bad folks! Really! One of these days BT will realize his potential that he's on par with Brad Bird, the problem is WB doesn't. Make a name for him, your wallets speak.

Hanshotfirst113

10-02-2006, 03:39 PM

Go and record something about the Cadmus arc for the next JLU set Mr Timm. I know we're all going to love watching/hearing it. That was never in question.

Exactly. I love it and I'll love it with or without extras.

I understand what everyone is upset about, but to me, there's a flip side to the coin. Certainly I love and would pay for extras. But the primary purpose of DVD is to present a piece in the highest possible quality, both for the original version and whichever other versions the creators or the studio may choose, if alternate versions exist. We are getting high quality DVDs of Justice League Unlimited with crisp anamorphic widescreen transfers and excellent sound (or we sure as heck had better), as it was originally broadcast since no alter versions exist. Therefore, the fans aren't being snubbed with a substandard transfer or release. Would I like some extras? Hell yes. But as long as I get the afforementioned, Warner has more than earned my money, and I have been given what I want and deserve.

John Cage

10-02-2006, 04:34 PM

We are getting high quality DVDs of Justice League Unlimited with crisp anamorphic widescreen transfers and excellent sound (or we sure as heck had better).

That's what it comes down to. I would've liked the set to be as great as the season itself was and have commentaries on the second thirteen, a Cadmus featurette, and chapter stops, but the most important thing is being able to sit back and watch the show in glorious anamorphic widescreen with great sound. Would've liked to have had B.T and company discuss the finer points of the arc and "Epilogue", and to be able to flip right ahead to Flash's trouncing of Luthor-Brainiac in "Divided we Fall", but the extras are just bread and butter, delicious though they are.

Have a good day.
John Cage

Bird Boy

10-02-2006, 10:56 PM

do you really think they're going to come on the internet and say otherwise?

No, but if they were misstreated at all, they wouldn't be coming on here to begin with. They aren't paid to praise WHV or CN, but I've seen the crew do so in the past. And they certainly didn't have to. As "popular" as WF, TZ and this forum is, it's nowhere near one iota of the audience that JLU and Timm's toons have, so the cast and crew should feel no "duty" to defend their employer when we're in such a venue. They can easily breeze on by and no one would notice.

At some point the bigger artists can simply refuse to release a half*** DVD and WB would go ahead with a barebones edition with no input from BT & staff. Or it could have gone the other way where WHV actually listened. It seems both parties are listening to each other, but somewhere there is a department (or people) that just doesn't care.

It's not that they don't care. They've shown that they do in the past (hence why we're now getting anamorphic transfers verses 4x3). It's that the production is so rushed on these sets. Sure, some of it's half-assed to get it out the door on time. But as I've seen these sets come along the past few years (and the production time continually sped up), I've never seen a company actually look towards the fanbase and take into consideration their qualms with the set. Granted, we're still not getting chapters after all of these sets, but hey.

Also I have to point out the extra (easter egg) commentary on the third and final STAS volume. If WHV had a set mandate that they could only record so many shows, then they wouldn't have let them record another commentary...but they did. And the impression I got from that commentary was that Timm and crew only do so many commentaries so they don't run out of things to say. And if there isn't anything to say that will stretch the full 22 minutes...then theres no reason to do commentaries.

I know you didn't mention commentaries, but I ended up on a tangent. :ack:

When crap like "THE BATMAN" comes out thinking they can do what he's done, audiences will know this ain't BT.

Do you honestly think that, years from now, "The Batman" is going to erase the memory of any cartoons that came before it? Is "The Batman" erasing anyones memory of B:TAS or TNBA at all? Not anymore than the current run of rhe Batman comic is making those forget the many writers and artists on the comic that came before it.

Having stuck with "The Batman" past it's first season (moreso out of need to cover it on the site than actual interest in the show, mind you), it has gotten way better than it's premiere. And I know I said it about its third season before it finished airing, but "The Batman"'s fourth season is really shaping up into a great product.

Now, I do think it sucks that this set was done poorly, not nearly as bad as some.

Having watched the set...it is far from done "poorly." Extras for the second half of the season were left off and not intentionally. It was an accident caused by miscommunication and lack of time to go back and correct it. The lack of time comes from, again, the rushed schedule so they can get the sites out timely to appease both general consumers and the hardcore fans.

We (the fans) are a small blip on WHV's radar, but I've never seen a company that's paid so much attention to the fans. I mean hell, they have annual (or bi-annual, I forget) chats at the Home Theater Forum. I don't know if other major motion picture home video divisions do that, but I certainly haven't heard any that do. And if there is, then I plead guilty for having no knowledge of their existence.

One of these days BT will realize his potential that he's on par with Brad Bird, the problem is WB doesn't. Make a name for him, your wallets speak.

As popular as "The Incredibles" was, I rarely hear Brad Bird's name associated with it as much as it should be. To the public it's another great Pixar film and he's certainly not known for "The Iron Giant", as much as he should be.

-BB

Simpler Simon

10-03-2006, 12:38 AM

I'm very appreciative of the idea that WHV, New Wave, and the creative team are going back and doing a featurette on Cadmus. However, 2 issues come up:

-the featurettes have never been known to be very long. How deep they dig into their topics is debatable, but they usually end just when things are getting good. The best featurette I've seen on a WHV disc was on smallvilles 100th episode, and that ran for a good half hour. I dunno if a half hour roundtable is the smartest presentation, but theres certainly enough info for it.

-please dont let a cadmus featurette squeeze out a legion of doom featurette.

Toddman

10-03-2006, 12:01 PM

...but throwing around words like "unprofessional" and "He-Man" will get a reaction.

This is truly great advice.

Toddman, you usually make me laugh. I don't want to say "always" because I don't know that to be completely true, but usually.

No no, it's "always."

Actually, I'm just glad that I'm not the only one who finds pee-pee jokes hilarious...

Speaking of which, Jason, if you find yourself in front of the camera for the final JLU DVD set, I'll personally PayPal you $10 if you can find a way to say "Darth Vader helmet" on camera.

T:Dddman

Hanshotfirst113

10-03-2006, 12:17 PM

That's what it comes down to. I would've liked the set to be as great as the season itself was and have commentaries on the second thirteen, a Cadmus featurette, and chapter stops, but the most important thing is being able to sit back and watch the show in glorious anamorphic widescreen with great sound. Would've liked to have had B.T and company discuss the finer points of the arc and "Epilogue", and to be able to flip right ahead to Flash's trouncing of Luthor-Brainiac in "Divided we Fall", but the extras are just bread and butter, delicious though they are.

Have a good day.
John Cage

Exactly.

DisneyBoy

10-03-2006, 01:02 PM

Hop on here DB, with your Wonder Woman lovin' self. Say what you want. Just be aware of how you come across. I'm the king of having to explain the intent of what I've written because I tend to write like I talk (which most would argue is way too much). And maybe you meant it the way it came out or maybe not, but throwing around words like "unprofessional" and "He-Man" will get a reaction. Just make sure it's the one you meant to get.

Jason, I can totally relate to your "I write the way I speak". If y'all could hear me speaking, I doubt I'd have the rep I currently do. That aside, I was offering my comments from the perspective of someone who might not necessarily love the shows the way I do, and would compare his purchases to other DVDs objectively. I know you guys are the reason there are extras at all. I know we're the reason WB finally understands that these shows have a draw. This has been a team effort on the part of us all, and I'm not here to start fighting between the ranks. But I disappointed by the episode order mix-up and post-ponement of pertinent extras. And there's always these concerns:

...please dont let a cadmus featurette squeeze out a legion of doom featurette...

..and someone else mentionned they weren't sure how long a featurette about the Cadmus arc would run (though I can't find the exact quote)...

So all this to say, I too wonder what will become of the extras on the next set.

And honestly: Not out to get a reaction. I know no one will believe me, but whatever. How the heck am I supposed to know when b.t. is lurking around here, about to snap? :sweat: Guess I should change my avatar to that of a big red target :p

James

10-03-2006, 01:18 PM

Guess I should change my avatar to that of a big red target :p

Or, you could just re-read what you say before you post. :) The fact that you feel b.t singles out your comments should make you consider, why he does (if you feel he does - look how I balance on this fence).

Generally, industry are more than happy to offer info and response, but bear in mind people (and I say people as I see some similar "phrasing" from others) that these are human beings. They work. They work hard. They are close to these projects. To some extent, they are their babies or at the very least, their bastard children - either way, they are projects that they are close to. As such, they might bite if your remarks are a little glib/throw away/presumptious/insulting to the projects even if you aren't to them. This is all VERY human.

So it's not just a matter of being polite or reverent to the industry who are good enough to grace us with info/opinion, it's a matter of extending a little empathy here; this is their creative work you are discussing; this is their job you might be rather flippantly assessing. As such, you are might be somewhat walking on eggshells (or in DB's case, mines.. ;)).

Before we have a "well, I have the right to offer my opinion!!" comebacks, remember, if you want certain people to offer feedback, then you have to maybe show a little empathy and etiquette. I'm sure there are a load of smaller boards which don't have the good fortune to have Jason or Bruce pop by to offer comment. You can offer raw and unadultrated comments there. But here, where I'm sure all of us are entertained by some of the "in the know" replies we get, it's a matter of playing the etiquette game - just like you would if you were in a room with them.

So as a community (as this isn't a point solely directed at Disney Boy) best keep the raw emotion in the glove compartment and extending a little courtesy when talking about products that some of the select members have spent a lot of time working on.

Just think before you post: If this was about my product, a product I've spent many great and frustrating hours to bring to bear, would reading what I'm about to post, just slightly piss me off?

A.J

10-03-2006, 01:41 PM

Guess I should change my avatar to that of a big red target :p

or maybe to something better than ex Ally Mc Beal such as Eva Longoria :D

TheGrayGhost

10-03-2006, 07:05 PM

James

10-03-2006, 07:20 PM

I personally think that it IS a bit unprofessional for commentary to placed in Season 5, when it should have been placed in Season 4. But I also acknowledge that it's probably not for Timm or any other crew member to decide how each set is treated. However, that doesn't mean I still can't be angry about it.

I, on the other hand, say that DisneyBoy should continue to be critical of these box-sets. Don't sugar coat it.

I'll quote myself:

Before we have a "well, I have the right to offer my opinion!!" comebacks, remember, if you want certain people to offer feedback, then you have to maybe show a little empathy and etiquette. I'm sure there are a load of smaller boards which don't have the good fortune to have Jason or Bruce pop by to offer comment. You can offer raw and unadultrated comments there. But here, where I'm sure all of us are entertained by some of the "in the know" replies we get, it's a matter of playing the etiquette game - just like you would if you were in a room with them.

Say what you feel, but just watch how you say it. It's called being courteous. Polite. Nice. Respectful.

No one is saying you can't have an opinion, it is - as Mr Hillhouse said - how you put it. The great anonymous internet (or GIT as I like to call it by a horrendously erroneous acronym) takes a great deal of that respect away. As I said, I bet few people would be so upfront and "angry" if they were in a room with Bruce or Jason - or anyone else involved in projects that were partial to the room as a whole - that's what we expect here.

If the fact the extras aren't what you hoped for and are making you very angry. Maybe go make a cup of tea and spill it over your best shirt - possibly something more worthy to be angry over. Point being, it's not a life or death issue to premeditate a rather pissy reply over. A criticism is no problem. How you put that criticism into writing can be.

Common courtesy, that's ALL what we ask here Grayghost.

If you can't interact with such a philosophy in mind, maybe you should hang out around forums which don't have industry and creative members who are willing to offer replies.

Such "non-sugar coated" comments hardly making this an inviting place for them or really offer any incentive to reply and that is a great loss for the community in general.

Chocky

10-03-2006, 09:36 PM

I'd hate this forum to sink to the depths of so many others (AICN being a prime example as Mr.Hillhouse pointed out).

I've lurked around here for a while now but the course that this thread took is one thing that really annoys me about some forums so I thought I'd chuck in my two cents. It's great to have opinions and be enthusiastic about the work and it's release format etc, but, as has been stated well before me, respect is an issue here.

No creator, project or release is above criticism but it's a bit offside to have accusations of unprofesionality when staff and creators like Mr.Hillhouse, Mr.Timm et al are so obviously doing these interviews and spending thier time on these extras not just beause it's thier job but because they appreciate US the fans and know that we want to learn more about the shows etc.

I'd like to think that this would be reflected in the fans appreciation for the extras we have got/are getting rather than nit-pick over what we haven't got yet/at all. Even more so considering that b.t spends time reading our posts and joining in with comments and discussion.

Simply put when you have cool creators coming online with the fans it doesn't make sense to launch negative talkback.

And back on topic (sorry:() I CAN'T WAIT for these sets to come out!!!

I remember a time when B:TAS sets were a distant dream and now we've nearly got the whole DCAU up on our shelves :D.

A.J

10-04-2006, 10:05 AM

DisneyBoy

10-04-2006, 11:42 AM

Just think before you post: If this was about my product, a product I've spent many great and frustrating hours to bring to bear, would reading what I'm about to post, just slightly piss me off?

That's a great way to put it, James.

And Ghost, I'm in full agreement with your post (number 208)

Maybe go make a cup of tea and spill it over your best shirt - possibly something more worthy to be angry over.

Funny, but that aside, you have to consider how we get these sets: we pay money, and lord knows this won't be the last time fans/customers take issue with something they're going to buy. I'm pretty critical about my clothes too. However, I agree, it's not worth being angry over. And for the record, I really can't think of any time when I was angry here (okay maybe one). I always try to be curteous. Just as I take what some people on here say with a grain of salt, I'd appreciate others to do the same. I'd like to think b.t. and y'all didn't seriously feel that I was red-faced when typing my post. In person, it was actually me kind of leaning my head back wondering how the Hunter's Moon mess up happened.

Even for us, the fans, or for the sake of my anology "the distant relatives", seeing their "favorite cousin" not end up with the best "hairdo" the day of their "grad". We don't blame the parents (go DCAU parents, go!), or even the barber (Gimme a J, Gimme an A, Gimme an S...). Everyone tried their best. But it's a bit of a cosmic joke (take that lightly now!) that this poor kid can never quite have the best haircut of the lot. Our "cousin" still looks pretty spiffy. But...well, you know.

Anyhoo, back on topic, when does this baby get released? And here's some food for thought...does anyone ever wonder if in ten years' time, they'll rerelease all of B:TAS on a new format, with all the episodes in one fell swoop, with all the extras we've got now, plus maybe an extra commentary or five? Or maybe Justice League?

Time will tell...but something tells me this won't be the last time these shows are released to the public.

A.J

10-04-2006, 12:31 PM

Well, Im sure they will get new releases for the future formats, so hopefully, we can get a whole series in one set only, etc.

Yojimbo

10-04-2006, 11:07 PM

Come on guys, this thread is too tense lately, lets talk about these new mega cool JLU and BB sets!! What episode cant you wait to see in Widescreen? What episode havent you seen yet? what commentarie are you expecting the most? Lets have fun again, would ya? :p

I cant wait to see the Cadmus four episodes finale in Widescreen followed by epilogue! Oh man, so many emotions!

Besides the four parter and Epilogue, I ahve an inclination to say Task Force X will kick some levels of butt in Widescreen.

The scene when Luthor beats the tar out of Question will be pretty sweet in WS, despite the brutality of it. Something about the angles used and the music capsulated that as a memorable scene to me.

Palin Dromos

10-05-2006, 02:42 PM

I am incredibly excited about the JLU release!
JLU premiered right after I decided to stop paying for cable, so aside from the 6 eps already on disc, I haven't seen any of the series.
Around the same time B:TAS Vol. 1 came out, so I figured eventually I'd get to see JLU when it hit DVD.
Needless to say I'm ecstatic that 26 eps are getting released at once. I've waited quite patiently and it feels like the next few weeks are going to be excrutiatingly slow.
I've been trying very hard to avoid plot info on JLU as an entirety, so I've had to be very careful poking around these boards, (heck even this thread has an occasional little land mine:) )
So I'm really looking forward to coming out of a self-imposed exile to explore these boards more deeply again.

Oh and I'm also stoked about seeing "Bloodsport" on BB Sea 2. The red/black flashback in that ep is one of my favorite pieces of animation in the series. And I think an Eggbaby commentary will be amusing. Who didn't get that assignment in school, seeing Bat's dealing with it was hilarious!

Ciao

Stu

10-05-2006, 03:03 PM

I haven't seen so many of the second season Batman Beyond episodes since they originally premiered here in the UK. I can't wait to see Terry back on DVD! Whilst I remember there being a few forgettable episodes amongst them, I can't wait to see the likes of Egg Baby, Eye Witness and Splicers again!

DisneyBoy

10-05-2006, 05:18 PM

I really hope "Out of the Past" gets a commentary on the next set. That one's a classic.

James

10-05-2006, 05:27 PM

I really hope "Out of the Past" gets a commentary on the next set. That one's a classic.

Yes, I think if there is ever one to chat about, it's that one. Being so caught in Batman myth, specifically, the animated Batman myth, it must have been a tale with a fair bit of background and adjustment. While "Unmasked" in itself isn't anything special, the intend and it's show finality would make for some interesting backstory.

I must say, in response to Stu, I would love to catch Egg Baby, Where's Terry? and Ace in the Hole again. Those latter season two episodes made for a refreshing shift in the show after a rather awkward and messy midseason run. I have fond memories of having my confidence in the show renewed somewhat and I'd like to experience that again in full digital glory.

DisneyBoy

10-05-2006, 05:37 PM

Cortez2301

10-05-2006, 07:24 PM

Here's a question, for those of you who have/are getting the BB sets - in how many (and which) BB episodes do we see TNBA-era characters appear, either as images or in person (in the case of that Croc robot or ancient Bane)?robot riddler and robot two face,from the same episode we see croc.We see MR freeze's picture from tNBA in "Meltdown" on Bruce's computer.Joker's wanted poster is seen in "shriek" and we see Talia in "Out of the past".Gordon's photo is on barbaras desk in"Black out".If you want to count ROTJ we see Harley.Thats all I can remember at the moment.

BozQ

10-06-2006, 06:55 AM

I just watched The Eggbaby episode on telly.
And here's my reaction: HA! HA! HA!

OMG! I was laughing my flippin' guts off! It was such a wild, wacky insane episode. It was so stupid! I loved it man! After a whole two and half seasons of kickass, violent episodes, it was really nice to have such a big change.

I can see why many people hate this episode, but all I have to say is, I am SO glad, and I can DEFINITELY see why there will be an audio commentary for this episode in the upcoming boxset.

Hades

10-06-2006, 12:40 PM

Bruce Timm posts on this board????????? WOW!!

Bird Boy, I sort of agree with you about The Batman. The Batman's first season was awful, but the second season was down right excellent. Sadly though, it went back to the Season 1 slope when they introduced Batgirl and Season 3, and has been going downhill since. The Robin episode was not as bad, but the next one when Batgirl and Robin came into went back to badville. Oh, and Scarecrow's design looks terrible.

A.J

10-06-2006, 12:47 PM

I just saw some sort of a BTAS movie pack on Amazon, does any knows if the ROTJ movie included is the UNCUT one?? thanks :)

The Penguin

10-06-2006, 12:49 PM

I just saw some sort of a BTAS movie pack on Amazon, does any knows if the ROTJ movie included is the UNCUT one?? thanks :)I can't speak officially, but I seem to recall looking at that before and it seems to be the cut version.

Bird Boy

10-06-2006, 05:11 PM

Oh, and Scarecrow's design looks terrible.

Scarecrow isn't in The Batman.

I just saw some sort of a BTAS movie pack on Amazon, does any knows if the ROTJ movie included is the UNCUT one?? thanks :)

It's the cut version.

-BB

A.J

10-06-2006, 06:08 PM

It's the cut version.

-BB

Thanks man. Thats quite dissapointing but, hopefully, they will release a movie pack with the uncut version and "hard cases" sometime in the future :)

Cortez2301

10-06-2006, 09:23 PM

I don't know if this was posted before, but check out the official trailer for JLU Season 1 and BB Season 2...

http://www.totaleclips.com/player/Splash.aspx?custid=235&clipid=e27802&playerid=65&affiliateid=-1 thanks man but for some reason it doesn't work.

Br'er Lappin

10-06-2006, 09:30 PM

thanks man but for some reason it doesn't work.
If you go to this page, scroll down to JLU and click "Watch Trailer", I think it'll work.

http://whv.warnerbros.com/WHVPORTAL/Portal/browsesearchtitles.jsp?functionmode=8&titleName=Justice%20League Plus there's a bunch of other trailers.

or you can use this link: http://whv.warnerbros.com/WHVPORTAL/Portal/product.jsp?OID=15805 and click on "Trailer"

Cortez2301

10-06-2006, 09:31 PM

If you go to this page, scroll down to JLU and click Watch Trailer, I think it'll work.

http://whv.warnerbros.com/WHVPORTAL/Portal/browsesearchtitles.jsp?functionmode=8&titleName=Justice%20LeagueOh ok thanks.Before it said trailer not available.

Br'er Lappin

10-06-2006, 09:32 PM

Oh ok thanks.Before it said trailer not available.
I was trying to link it just to the trailer so people wouldn't have to scroll down, but I couldn't get it to work. At least this way, you can actually see it!

Cortez2301

10-07-2006, 09:54 PM

I was trying to link it just to the trailer so people wouldn't have to scroll down, but I couldn't get it to work. At least this way, you can actually see it!Yeah you're right.Thanks again.The graphics are amazing.

A.J

10-07-2006, 09:56 PM

If you go to this page, scroll down to JLU and click "Watch Trailer", I think it'll work.

http://whv.warnerbros.com/WHVPORTAL/Portal/browsesearchtitles.jsp?functionmode=8&titleName=Justice%20League Plus there's a bunch of other trailers.

or you can use this link: http://whv.warnerbros.com/WHVPORTAL/Portal/product.jsp?OID=15805 and click on "Trailer"

Does the JLU trailer only show scenes from season 1?

Cortez2301

10-07-2006, 10:03 PM

Does the JLU trailer only show scenes from season 1?And season 2.

A.J

10-07-2006, 10:16 PM

And season 2.

Really? awesome! :p

Btw, is it true that the JLU season dvd set wont come with ANY subtitles (nor spanish or english)? I ask this because they changed the spanish voices on season 2 and they honestly sounds horrible after having the same voices for 3 seasons...specially GL and MM...so, can anyone confirm this please?

Yojimbo

10-07-2006, 11:46 PM

Yes, I think if there is ever one to chat about, it's that one. Being so caught in Batman myth, specifically, the animated Batman myth, it must have been a tale with a fair bit of background and adjustment. While "Unmasked" in itself isn't anything special, the intend and it's show finality would make for some interesting backstory.

I must say, in response to Stu, I would love to catch Egg Baby, Where's Terry? and Ace in the Hole again. Those latter season two episodes made for a refreshing shift in the show after a rather awkward and messy midseason run. I have fond memories of having my confidence in the show renewed somewhat and I'd like to experience that again in full digital glory.

Though some fans <cough>Karkull<cough> may cringe at the idea but I would invite a featurette on either Max or Kobra, AKA characters that lost their appeal and got annoying. There is that idea that was discussed here that the staff decided to focus on Terry while sacrificing the supporting cast for the most part. Just to hear a dialogue on it would peak my interest. And Kobra, what a mess, the Xander angle was the only spark of entertainment I got out that cult.

John Cage

10-08-2006, 12:40 AM

Does the JLU trailer only show scenes from season 1?

I spotted a few scenes from "Divided We Fall" in there. Plus Flash speaks in the trailer. I did find it interesting they don't mention bonus features in the trailer though, since they usually do that even if they don't get into specifics. Just "26 amazing episodes of four discs" and all that.

Have a good day.
John Cage

Shadow_X

10-08-2006, 02:25 AM

Really? awesome! :p

Btw, is it true that the JLU season dvd set wont come with ANY subtitles (nor spanish or english)?
Yeap, that´s right, at least in the tests discs that BB received, they didn´t have any subs, there´s still the possibility that in the final product this will change, but as BB said early, this has never happend :crying:, so keep your finger cross and pray a lot to make this happend :anime:

I ask this because they changed the spanish voices on season 2 and they honestly sounds horrible after having the same voices for 3 seasons...specially GL and MM...so
I totally agree with you, those two characters where the most affected by the recast of their parts, the new voices of WW and HG where OK but not as good as the first ones IMHO, and what about Batman, that´s my biggest complain, after so many years of Frank Maneiro being Batman in LA, Batman was recast for the last episode of JLU, I don´t what happend there, maybe Frank Maneiro wasn´t avaible at that time, I don´t know but(with all due respect) that was horrible, the recast and the new voice.

I went a little offtopic there :sweat:, I really hope that at the end we can see some spanish subs in this release, if not... if we really want to have the subs we will have to wait to the R4 release, which BTW there are no news about JL or BB boxsets at this point :sad:

Later...

Fone Bone

10-08-2006, 03:55 PM

According to WHV a few months back, neither shows have plans for season sets.

Which I don't blame them--with previous releases, there was a large enough market for them to get profits outside of the hardcore fans. Maybe Static Shock would sell, but I know Zeta Project would simply fall through the cracks.

-BBI've been thinking a lot about this recently. Over at Dwayne McDuffie's forum a poster there said that WHV should put out a DCAU crossover disc with the Static Shock crossovers. My feelings on this would be that it would potentially gut sales for Static Shock season sets but Dwayne said if it DID the difference in sales would probably be neglegible. He pointed out that Static Shock always got higher ratings than Justice League (even if it lacked JLU's merchandising) and I think since it WAS a Saturday morning Network series that that makes sense. I have a feeling The Zeta Project probably has a higher number of fans than we thought because the ratings for that were good too even though it was cancelled.

I have to think that WHV could DEFINATELY put out seasons sets of these shows (and a single disc release for Gotham Girls) and have them sell well if they did it right. They shouldn't flood the market with them expecting BTAS sales but they could definately put out some inexpensive 2 disc sets (think Teen Titans and The Batman) and make them more specialty/ niche/ cult titles than a lot of of what they release. I think it could work. If a rabid fanbase was all that was required for selling DVDs we'd already have the last Gargoyles set. I think Static Shock and even The Zeta Project may be more mainstream than we give them credit for.

Duke

10-08-2006, 09:10 PM

Network ratings and cable ratings, though often compared to one another, don't really match up to well, as the scales and conversions are different. What would be a .7 on a network show would be around a 1.0-2.0 or something like that for a cable show.

A.J

10-09-2006, 09:38 AM

Yeap, that´s right, at least in the tests discs that BB received, they didn´t have any subs, there´s still the possibility that in the final product this will change, but as BB said early, this has never happend :crying:, so keep your finger cross and pray a lot to make this happend :anime:

Later...

Oh my, what a mess. First I get excited because they included the spanish dubs again and now I find out they wont include the spanish subtitles so I can watch it in english? Its like they do something good but then they blow it with something else. I really do not want to start an argument over this but I definately think someone should put way more attention to the DCAU releases. The most important thing are the episodes, no doubt about that, but on a dvd release when it comes to basic things like subtitles, lenguages, cover and back cover art and stuff like that they should be careful with these. I know there are R4 releases but the DCAU releases are just very inconsistent. Just my opinion, which doesnt mean I wont buy the releases but come on WHV, these mistakes doesnt happen on other dvds for shows and movies...or does they? :confused: