Over the Edge **SPOILERS** [Archive]

The Game

01-16-2002, 08:03 PM

Alright, I was just thinking whenever people start talking about their fav episodes, they always mention Over the Edge. I've always found this curious, because...

I HATE THAT EPISODE

Okay, before I am pelted with stones, allow me to explain myslef. The fact that

****SPOILERS****

It's a dream

****SPOLIERS****

Ruins the whole thing for me. I mean- it didn't happen so who cares, is the way I look at it. It's an extremely good "what-if" kind of thing, and maybe I'm just weird, but I just have no interest in it becuase it didn't happen, it was just a figment of her imagination. Why did we waste time seeing it? To see her dream? I dream about Batman all the time, I don't want them made into episodes. I don't know, I just think that if it isn't reality it isn't worth anything.

Now on the other hand... I toatally think that it could have been the best episode ever if it were real. Okay, so Babs dying would have been garbage, but it would have been like "Legacy" only better, because it's Batman. What a thrilling climax of the series...

I don't know. What are your thoughts about the episode?

Naraht

01-16-2002, 08:07 PM

1st time I saw it....I caught it mid way through...

I had no idea what was going on....and I had to leave...so I missed the end...

I was very freaked...

I still liked the ep after I saw the whole thing...I don't think it lost to much being a dream

Bird Boy

01-16-2002, 08:19 PM

I added spoiler tags for ya. that way, you won't have to bother w/ the **SPOILER** things.. :)

-BB

Bobby Boy 101

01-16-2002, 09:07 PM

I love that ep, the animation, the story was awsome, I just have a few picky complaints:

Babs wouldnt have fallen for that lil mainquin trick :(

Batman shouldve made scarecrow BLEED when he discovered that he had pushed my Babs :(

Bane wouldnt have beaten up batman up that much, i thought it was a lil overdone :mad: Batman is likle the ultimate butt kicker, and he wouldve at least dodged some of those hits

other than that, I pretty much loved that ep

Terminatah

01-16-2002, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Bird_Boy
I added spoiler tags for ya. that way, you won't have to bother w/ the **SPOILER** things.. :)

-BB

The only thing this topic needs is the word "spoiler" in the title, which it has. Anything in the actual message is unnecessary. If you ever fall off a building and land on a windshield, I think I should take over as mod.

-Terminatah

Maxie Zeus

01-16-2002, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Terminatah

If you ever fall off a building and land on a windshield, I think I should take over as mod.

-Terminatah

Well, that's a pleasant thing to say.

And if you check your PM box (which you should do on a regular basis) you'll find that a PM has been sitting there unread for awhile now. I suggest you read it and take it to heart, because the next one will a bit more harsh.

Calhoun07

01-16-2002, 11:33 PM

Well, all these cartoons are figments of the imagination. It reminds me of the outrage that ensued over the series finale of St Elsewhere, when fans were upset to discover that the show was just the dream of an autistic boy. Well, the entire show was a dream in the creators minds, it wasn't real.

I still think Over the Edge was a great episode. Even if it didn't "really" happen (and I know what you mean), I do enjoy "what if" stories too. Scenario stories and what if stories are often enjoyable to the fans because they show us what might be if the series had taken another route but without messing up continuity.

And face it, the only way Over the Edge would have worked in the actual continuity of the show would be to be the series ender. Heck, it would have probably ended Batman as a whole.

In another show, I would have personally liked to see Star Trek The Next Generation end with Q revealing that the past 7 years had all taken place in Picard's head and Picard ended up back at Farpoint, yet to have gone on any kind of journey, all at the courtesy of Q. I heard that the creators kicked that idea around, too. If St Elsewhere made fans mad, imagine how mad people would have been at that!

Calhoun07

01-16-2002, 11:40 PM

And for newbies, there have been complaints in the past about spoilers being revealed in threads. While in normally concerns threads about new episodes, there have been enough complaints for genuine concern. It's been debated, and I won't get into that debate (no need to dig up an old thread, you can search it out yourself if you're really interested). The black box isn't all that hard to add to a post.

Terminatah

01-17-2002, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus

Well, that's a pleasant thing to say.

And if you check your PM box (which you should do on a regular basis) you'll find that a PM has been sitting there unread for awhile now. I suggest you read it and take it to heart, because the next one will a bit more harsh.

Please. The entire first post of this thread looks like a collective effort to make fun of my posts in the other thread where I brought up the spoiler boxes. You'll forgive me if I was less than extatic when I read it.

As for BB falling off a building and onto a windshield, that was clearly a reference to Over The Edge. I thought maybe BB could edit my message and put another unnecessary spoiler box over it. :)

-Terminatah

DerekPowers

01-17-2002, 01:53 AM

well for a long time i was like whatever over the episode. i think mainly for the same reasons as you, the game. i always find that kind of thing hard to like alot because it didnt happen, the ending is suppose to be a surprise, but you know it from the start (even if its the first time your watching it, like who would believe barbra was really dead).

but over time that just didnt bother me as much, i dont know why. and plus i love the animation in it, some of the best of the whole series (btas and tnba). the cgi/cell parts were looking hot!

i love it, but its not my favorite ep, no where near it. actually, who hear likes that episode the best? id guess not too many, but thats just me. but its still a fine ep. peace.

Beyond Batman

01-17-2002, 01:59 AM

"I mean- it didn't happen so who cares, is the way I look at it. It's an extremely good "what-if" kind of thing, and maybe I'm just weird, but I just have no interest in it becuase it didn't happen, it was just a figment of her imagination." -Thegame8866

Ummm... if I remember correctly... isn't Batman a figment of OUR imagination to begin with? When's the last time you saw Batman on your local news station? :rolleyes:

I very much enjoyed this episode. From the beginning till its end, I was on the edge of my seat. Thus "Over the Edge," and that's what made this episode such a landmarking event. Awesome story, great animation, and it incorperated the whole Bat team.

Here, we got to see through the eyes of what Scarecrow can really do. Sure, some people are affraid of spiders, rats, or snakes, but this episode showed there's more to being scared of than just that. This episode reinforced how potentailly dangerous Scarecrow can be and attacks more than your phobias and fears, but your mental and psychological well-being.

I really don't understand how you can't like that episode. It was very well written. If you're just playing the devils advocate... by all means go for it. But if you're ranking this episode to the likes of "Critters," I would say you really don't know the difference between good or bad, right or wrong, nor up or down.

Let the pelting begin! :D

Heehaw

01-17-2002, 02:29 AM

"Over the Edge" without a doubt features the best animation in the entire series, even besting "Feat of Clay II". It is consistently smooth, graceful and unparalleled, though it doesn't necessarily make it the best episode.

Somebody mentioned something about Bane not being able to beat Batman up that much, well in the comics, the writers chose to have him break the man's back, so yes he could. If you recall, Batman was exhausted, so yes Bane would definitely be able to do what he did in both cases.

The whole "fall on a windshield/mod" crack, up above, was obviously sarcasm, so what's the problem? Suck it up.

Beyond Batman

01-17-2002, 06:41 AM

I agree with Heehaw concerning Bane. Bane is one of Batman's most formidable opponents. Not only does Bane harness powerhouse strength, but he's also intelligent. Bane's not your run-of-the-mill strong guy that can bench press 800lbs having an IQ level equivolent to his shoe size. He's far from that. He's strong, quick, and smart, not to mention he's a skilled fighter.

"Bane wouldnt have beaten up batman up that much, i thought it was a lil overdone Batman is likle the ultimate butt kicker, and he wouldve at least dodged some of those hits" -Bobby Boy 1

Don't quickly underestimate Bane. In the comics, Bane figures out Batman was Bruce Wayne... breaks into the manor (his own home for crying out loud) and breaks Batman's back, leaving him near the brink of death. In the comics, Bane's encounter with Batman was no accident, he coordinated a "mission" to seek and destroy the Bat.

If you're interested, the storyarc is titled "Knightfall." IMO, one of Batman's most influential moments.

Bird Boy

01-17-2002, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by Terminatah

Please. The entire first post of this thread looks like a collective effort to make fun of my posts in the other thread where I brought up the spoiler boxes. You'll forgive me if I was less than extatic when I read it.

As for BB falling off a building and onto a windshield, that was clearly a reference to Over The Edge. I thought maybe BB could edit my message and put another unnecessary spoiler box over it. :)

-Terminatah

that's what the :p are for....so you are showing that you are JOKING.

The only reason I put in the Spoiler tags is because all the **SPOILER** aren't really necessary when you got the tags that will just cover it all right up.

ANYWAY, back on topic...

-BB

Ed Liu

01-17-2002, 09:53 AM

Howdy all,

I actually really liked the episode, if anything for the closing sequence dinner between Barbara and Jim Gordon. I think it may well be the best Jim Gordon moment in the entire animated series. He knows what Barb has been doing with her nights, and with who, revealing that he's not as much of a helpless boob as he might seem, considering his primary purpose in most BTAS eps is for story exposition (has JG ever really DONE anything in BTAS?). The fact that he lets it continue shows the kind of confidence he has in both Batman AND Barb, which I thought was pretty touching. I thought it was definitely a high-water mark for the series as a whole.

-- Ed/Ace

Maxie Zeus

01-17-2002, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Terminatah

Please. The entire first post of this thread looks like a collective effort to make fun of my posts in the other thread where I brought up the spoiler boxes. You'll forgive me if I was less than extatic when I read it.

As for BB falling off a building and onto a windshield, that was clearly a reference to Over The Edge. I thought maybe BB could edit my message and put another unnecessary spoiler box over it. :)

-Terminatah

Explanation accepted. :)

Let there be no more discussion of this.

SupergirlJenM

01-17-2002, 06:37 PM

Bane wouldnt have beaten up batman up that much, i thought it was a lil overdone :mad: Batman is likle the ultimate butt kicker, and he wouldve at least dodged some of those hits [/B]

Didn't Bane break Batman's back?

dc_gothamite

01-17-2002, 06:55 PM

ya bane broke batman's back in the comics...

well if you don't like da ep for that reason, it'z ok... cuz evryone's got their faves and dislikes...

i liked the episode. It was a cool, intense, beautifully animated episode that showed how cruel the world of Batman is. People always classify batman as a corny, powerless fool, but this episode IMO does him justice.

look at it this way. if some people dont like "Over the Edge" cuz of the fact that it didn't really happen... then the same thing could actually be said about the whole "Batman Beyond" series as well. remember what bruce timm said in the interview @ WF... it's only a POSSIBLE future, meaning most of what happened in BB and ROTJ didn't actually happen... but that didn't make them bad pieces of work, did it? Most of the stuff for BB is just a possible future for Gotham City, and ROTJ is just cliffhanger created to add more mystery to the future of Gotham City...

whoa... i'm goin' off topic... o well :o

SupergirlJenM

01-17-2002, 07:04 PM

Batman Beyond had some real stinkers! :p

zero zero nine

01-17-2002, 08:24 PM

ST: TNG was ALL in picard's head? no way! :confused:

Heehaw

01-17-2002, 08:26 PM

All of BB was a real stinker, except the pilot and maybe Meltdown. ROTJ was cool, though.

Naraht

01-17-2002, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by zero zero nine
ST: TNG was ALL in picard's head? no way! :confused:

No....(although, I wish it didn't exist...geez, it was the worst trek imo)

They were saying that it was an ending they were tossing around..

austin norsworthy

01-18-2002, 08:16 AM

I LOVE BB!!!!!!

I have never seen TNBA, sadly :( is it on cartoon network? from what i've heard it was a great episode, and thw reason batman got beat so badly is because he didn't care anymore. can someone give me the dialog of the dinner scen? sounds intersting.

Heehaw

01-18-2002, 12:25 PM

TNBA will be on Cartoon Network again someday. BTAS is about to begin but I'm assuming they are showing it in order, so it will quite a while before those newer shows start up(they are episodes 86-109).

Alexander

01-18-2002, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by dc_gothamite
. remember what bruce timm said in the interview @ WF... it's only a POSSIBLE future, meaning most of what happened in BB and ROTJ didn't actually happen... but that didn't make them bad pieces of work, did it? Most of the stuff for BB is just a possible future for Gotham City, and ROTJ is just cliffhanger created to add more mystery to the future of Gotham City...

ALL of BB is a possible future, get over it! That Static Shock episode with Batman, Robin, and the Joker just overwrote the whole BB series.
And in Gotham Adventures Barbara and Dick are flirting again, so that also overwrites the "Later on we just never talked about it" nonsense the Old Fart BB Barbara told Terry.

"Puppy love" up your *ss Commissioner!!

Alexander

01-18-2002, 07:05 PM

PS- In his latest interview, Paul Dini also explained BB is to be seen as an Elsworlds series. :p

Bobby Boy 101

01-19-2002, 12:04 AM

OK OK OK OK PPL, i understannd that there were ppl who didnt like BB, but u have to understand that if it werent for the complaining, griping people who dont like change just b/c its different, Dini and Timm wouldve had it there way and been able to say BB is the real future w/o being pelted w/ eggs and raw tomatos (are there raw tomatos?)!!!!!

I think of BB this way: It is possible that everything feeds into the ROTJ storyline and then into the BB line. BUT it is also possible that mebbe Rob gets hit by a truck and Joker never gets the chance to kidnap him, so Joker maybe never gets killed.

OR maybe babs and Dick get back together, or maybe Joker decides to move out of gotham for some reason, or maybe Harley was sick the day they were supposed to bag a member of the bat-team, and they had to wait a few days, and then the whole ROTJ flashback happened.

Either way, anything can happen. And even for u BB haters out there, just because Dini and Timm said it was a possible future, doesnt mean BB

isnt possible .

i like to think ROTJ and BB is the way it will/wouldve/whatever happened

Alexander

01-19-2002, 01:45 AM

> (are there raw tomatos?)!!!!!

Uhhhh.... hmmm, well perhaps if ya cook' em first, then let them cool down, i guess they would sorta be raw..... Wait! Nope, not possible, cause when you cook' em, and then let them cool off, they'll still be cooked, Cause when you cook raw meet untill it's cooked, youcant'tuncook.....Oh no i've gone crosseyed!!

>I think of BB this way: It is possible that everything feeds into the ROTJ >storyline and then into the BB line. BUT it is also possible that mebbe Rob >gets hit by a truck and Joker never gets the chance to kidnap him, so Joker >maybe never gets killed.

Yep, certainly that's a possibility, Bobby...

>OR maybe babs and Dick get back together, or maybe Joker decides to move >out of gotham for some reason, or maybe Harley was sick the day they were >supposed to bag a member of the bat-team, and they had to wait a few >days, and then the whole ROTJ flashback happened.

I followed you up untill the part of Dick and Babs, after that i got crosseyed again :p

>Either way, anything can happen. And even for u BB haters out there, just >because Dini and Timm said it was a possible >future, doesnt mean BB isnt possible . i like to >think ROTJ and BB is the way it will/wouldve/whatever happened

Yep, i'm a BB hater over here, but anyhoo, i heard that Static Shock episode with Batman, Robin and Joker has now officcially overwritten BB. That's fine with me, i'm just really with the fact that Gotham Adventures has Dick and Barbara flirting again. So, i see BB as one of those Star Trek Voyager episodes where they deal with alternative futures.
But your right, anything can happen. Though i personally have some doubts that "Back to the future 2" shows a fair representation of the year 2015...
Ok, that's about it for today, i guess.

austin norsworthy

01-19-2002, 11:52 AM

are the animated comics offical information? because if they are than BB WILL happen.

Alexander

01-19-2002, 12:31 PM

Nope, no matter how you put it, Either in the animated comics or animated series, BB is always a possible future. TNBA/Gotham adventures are one and the same, and BB and the BB animated comic are one and the same too. The whole concept of BB is that it's a possible future, an animated comic series does not chanche that.
TNBA is the present day, and BB is a possible fututre. Therefor Gotham adventures is present day, and BB comic is a possible future. No matter how abd you try to denie it, BB is a possible future, and has NOT happend yet, and probably never will, because Bruce Timm and Paul Dini now continue the present day Batman, and will probably overwrite BB a lot more with JLA and other Bat-related cartoons.

And also, wasn't the BB comic trashed in October because of poor sales?
I meen Batman: Gotham Adventures is obviously the winner of the two series.
No matter how much you like BB, the series will always remain nothing more then a spinn-off of the Batman animated series. It is Bruce Wayne who is the only real Batman, Terry was just a "What if" Batman, and will fade away in history like all the other Elsworlds comics. By the real fans Terry will never be considered as Batman. There is only one Batman. Bruce Wayne. It's the character we all know, live with, and was the one who created Batman. Bruce Wayne has a history of 62 years, but Terry Mcginnes will be long forgotten in ten years.
I know this because replacing the man underneath the Bat-mask never worked. Not for a long time anyway.

Let's look at this in percentage:

BB has 50% channce of being the real future. Then again BB also has 50% chance of NOT happening at all. And as JL and B:GA continue it looks like it will never happen at all. You can quote me on that in 2040.

austin norsworthy

01-19-2002, 12:37 PM

from what i hear, the bb comics were just getting good when they were cancelled.

in the superman comics terry came to the present. that's what i'm talking about.

P.S. I take it I'm not on your buddy list?

Naraht

01-19-2002, 12:39 PM

1st off....we're getting a bit off topic here aint we?

2ndly....hate to break it to you, but Batman & BB....NOT REAL. There is no Gotham City, There is Not Metropolis...so I'm not sure what the big deal is...

BB was a TV show, as were B:TAS & TNBA. Just because one show says one thing, doesn't mean another has to accept that.

I think part of the problem is people take these shows like Star Trek -> Star Trek TNG -> DS9 -> Voyager....

They're not, they are seperate shows, done in the same style, with the same people doing the voices...

Any continity is purely coincedence. That doesn't mean BB didn't happen...it did. I saw the episodes...

Does that mean that the Batman & Robin in Static Shock are the same that were in RotJ? No.

The only true continuity is that of the Comics....and I don't mean the animated comics, but the mainstream (currently in Batman:Murderer?) comics.

=D

No everyone Play nice!!!

Alexander

01-19-2002, 12:49 PM

>from what i hear, the bb comics were just getting good when they were >cancelled.

Really?? i did not know that...

>in the superman comics terry came to the present. that's what i'm talking >about.

Cool!! In wich issue was this? I'd like to read it!
Still, if you go really far into the Time travel idea, you could say Terry came from the future, but his actions in the present will undoubtedly have consequenses for his future. That is why most people didn't like Back to the future part 2, because the timeline was altered in the 1950's creating a different present then the one Doc. Emmet and Marty lived in. It gets really complicated, but this is the reason why i say that this one is the best. And most people just have a hard time following the logic of that film.

>P.S. I take it I'm not on your buddy list? [/B][/QUOTE]

Uhh not yet, but that's just cause i'm really slow with Email things :D
I'll reply to you, i promise.

Heehaw

01-19-2002, 12:56 PM

The only true continuity is that of the Comics....and I don't mean the animated comics, but the mainstream (currently in Batman:Murderer?) comics.

The comics and the animated series are two different continuities. They were never meant to complement one another. I consider the animated series to be canon and the comics as pure garbage.

Naraht

01-19-2002, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Heehaw

The comics and the animated series are two different continuities. They were never meant to complement one another. I consider the animated series to be canon and the comics as pure garbage.

That's fine.

I believe that 1 plus 1 equals 11.

Believe what you want....doesn't alter the fact, that 1+1 does in fact equal 11....wait..

I had a point, I think it fell off...

Hrmph....now the mods are gonna yell at me, tell you what, why don't we start a new thread, as we really are getting off topic with the talk of continuity & BB & comics....this is SUPPOSED to be a thread on the TNBA ep "Over The Edge" and I don't want to get yelled at for going off topic...

Again...

Alexander

01-19-2002, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by naraht

The only true continuity is that of the Comics....and I don't mean the animated comics, but the mainstream (currently in Batman:Murderer?) comics.

Dude, i'm sorry, but the mainstream comics are just as unrealistic as the animated series. I would even go as far as saying The animated series/TNBA is more realistic then the comics. Why? Because in the cartoon, we hear the characters talk and we see them move. That is something a comic can never do. Over all they are all much more realistic then the comic book characters.
When i look at Babs in TNBA, it's not hard to imagine her as if she'd be a real person. Neither Oracle or Cassandra have that power, or any other mainstream character, for that matter.

No continuity in BTAS and TNBA??? Not any more or any less then in the mainstream.

Forget it, forget it... I know how you mainstream people think. My only question is, Why do you come to a board wich is all about the animated series if you think it's all fake and doesn't equell the comics??. Can't you just have enough fun on mainstream boards and leave the animated fans alone.

Sorry duder, but there is no such thing as a true continuity. Neither comics or cartoons. I meen, there are people out there who consider Yvonne Graig to be the real Batgirl :confused:

austin norsworthy

01-19-2002, 01:21 PM

I forgot which superman issue. I think It was the second to last one. go to links and go to world's finest. it has issue reveiws. Dick grayson, {I think he was the main reveiwer} thought that they were getting intersting.

In case you were wondering, no one is on my lists. I really don't want to judge them.

and sorry we were getting off topic. he hates BB, I love BB, these things happen.

And I view the tv shows as alternive worlds. they existed in the True comics.

Poison Carley

01-19-2002, 01:23 PM

You have problems...

First of all they look like real people in the comics. I dunno about where you live and stuff but like here we don't have people with triangle shaped heads. I'm talking about the Joker btw. They all look cartoonish because its a cartoon. Plus Barbara Gordon has a supersized head in the cartoon. A pumpkinhead actually. Like some of the villians better beware or they will feel the wrath of Pumpkinhead hehe. I don't want a flame war. I just thought that was kind of funny and wanted to share it.

But like really, they are cartoon's and they do not look real. No one ever dies in the cartoon other than that guy on Superman. That is the only time. No one gets put into a wheel chair. Maybe thats why you like animated Barbara over comic.

Alexander

01-19-2002, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Poison Carley
You have problems...

First of all they look like real people in the comics. I dunno about where you live and stuff but like here we don't have people with triangle shaped heads. I'm talking about the Joker btw. They all look cartoonish because its a cartoon. Plus Barbara Gordon has a supersized head in the cartoon. A pumpkinhead actually. Like some of the villians better beware or they will feel the wrath of Pumpkinhead hehe. I don't want a flame war. I just thought that was kind of funny and wanted to share it.

But like really, they are cartoon's and they do not look real. No one ever dies in the cartoon other than that guy on Superman. That is the only time. No one gets put into a wheel chair. Maybe thats why you like animated Barbara over comic.

I didn't say that the animated style is realistic, i'm just saying that even with a few lines they can create a whole personality. And the animated Babs has much more personality then Oracle.
The reason why i love the animated Barbara Gordon is because, as cartoon as she is, she is sweet. She is kind, intelegent, and she's adorable. Wich is more then you can say about all the mainstream characters, or most girls in real-life, for that matter.
The only one who is just as sweet, adorable, kind and intellegent is my Email friend Natalie.
I'd like to add that i wouln't love the animated Babs any less if she was in a wheelchair.
I said if you look at Babs in TNBA you could easily imagine her as a real person. I didn't say she is animated like one.
I love the animated Babs because she's sweet, intelegent, kind, adorable, and lovely. She just is a really sweet girl. I also love the fact that she does NOT look like a mainstream comic female character. She's short, she's small (If you know what i meen) She is not a "hot Babe" and that is what i like about her. She's more natural and normal then say Lara Croft or Wonder Woman, Catwoman, or even Oracle.
She is a sweet girl. Barbara, just Barbara. no more, no less.

Naraht

01-19-2002, 01:54 PM

What part of This needs to be taken to a new thread as it is off topic was unclear?

seriously you guys...calm down, start a new thread, and discuss reasonably...here, I'll start the thread - here (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17381)

The Game

01-20-2002, 05:54 PM

I love the animated Babs because she's sweet, intelegent, kind, adorable, and lovely. She just is a really sweet girl. I also love the fact that she does NOT look like a mainstream comic female character. She's short, she's small (If you know what i meen) She is not a "hot Babe" and that is what i like about her. She's more natural and normal then say Lara Croft or Wonder Woman, Catwoman, or even Oracle.
She is a sweet girl. Barbara, just Barbara. no more, no less.

Okay, am I the only one who thinks Sassy is just a tad too obsessed with Barb?

Poison Carley

01-20-2002, 07:32 PM

No. ;) She is is just a wee bit obsessed.

Alexander

01-20-2002, 09:49 PM

Uhhh, i'm more like a "he" then a "She", But that's OK, i made a little mistake when i chose my name on the boards. My real name is Sascha.... Yes, i know that's a girls name too, but here in Holland it can be both. Personaly i like to be called Alexander or Micha, that's what my friends call me here.
Sassy is what my favorite Email friend calls me. And she's the cutest girl i've ever met.

Yeah, i really love Babs indeed. Notice how i end up talking about Babs in almost every post :D

Or Natalie, for that matter...