C&C - InuYasha - "Final Battle at the Graveside! Sesshomaru Versus InuYasha" [7/25]

[Duke]

Dammit, just how hard is it to get a Beautifly, Dusklops, Exploud, and Cacturne cards? Sheesh, you figure getting a half-dozen Rayquazas could give you adequate trade bait, but noooo....

[Space Cadet]

How many episodes do we have before the end of Inuyasha?

[Captain Highwind]

I think we're past the fifteen episode mark.

EDIT: Ah, I was right!

http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=2209248&postcount=14

After this, 11 more to go.

[NahMan85]

I think we're past the fifteen episode mark.

EDIT: Ah, I was right!

http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=2209248&postcount=14

After this, 11 more to go.Man I thought it was actually a little more than that. Well enough said. *Goes to watch Inuyasha*

Hey I was just thinking why does Sesshomaru talk to his sword like that? He talks to it even worse then he does Jaken. They make it seem as if the thing is alive when it's just a fang from a demon fox.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Well there you go: it's apparently not just some demon fang fox sword, but rather the sword strong enough to get to the afterworld all alone, due to it's ability to destroy those on earth normally not able to be destroyed. I mean you saw those guys bowing before the Tensiga. It's some serious shizz man.

I may not have watched every episode since the Season 4 ender but it wans't too hard to get into this one: Naraku's still an unkillable bastard who Inuyasha can't defeat even with a Red Testuigia and hyped up Backlash wave, Kagome still seems good for finding jewel shards, shooting the occasional holy arrow and yelling out "Inuyasha" a lot, the others... just kind of float there and occasionally try to fight, and Seeshomaru is badass. Though how he plans to kill Naraku we'll have to see (well we know how Inuyasha plans to: Diamond Powered Tetsuigia. Can you say "Finally, another upgrade?" I knew you could).

[Captain Highwind]

And yet I can't help but wonder what's the point of Kagome's Silver Arrow (Yes, it's a Zelda reference, not a Werewolf reference) if Seshy and Inuyasha now have what it takes to do the job.

[James Bester]

Since I was bored I decided to check this out. Sadly, I noticed there has been no character development since around the 80-episode mark. Naraku says the same crap, Inuyasha uses the wind scar, Kagome stays back and screams for Inuyasha, Sesshomaru kills Naraku's cronies, and Miroku, Sango, and Shippo are... just there. I just don't understand how you can produce nearly 100 episodes of a series and not even advance the plot.

I'm just curious, has Naraku died yet in the manga? How can they keep one of the most uninteresting villains alive for so long?

[NahMan85]

I'm just curious, has Naraku died yet in the manga? How can they keep one of the most uninteresting villains alive for so long?If we knew that then there would be even less people watching the show. I can tell you that much.

[Hyper Shadow X]

Nope naraku's still alive and kicking

[Naraku-Sama]

Since I was bored I decided to check this out. Sadly, I noticed there has been no character development since around the 80-episode mark. Naraku says the same crap, Inuyasha uses the wind scar, Kagome stays back and screams for Inuyasha, Sesshomaru kills Naraku's cronies, and Miroku, Sango, and Shippo are... just there. I just don't understand how you can produce nearly 100 episodes of a series and not even advance the plot.

I'm just curious, has Naraku died yet in the manga? How can they keep one of the most uninteresting villains alive for so long?
I believe that some people have the tendancy to expect too much out of Inu-Yasha, or compares the series to other Animes. There is more to a story than character-development, so I have no idea why it is such a big deal all the time ( I have a slight problem with it as well, but still...)
Naraku being " uninteresting " is an opinion, and simply because he is different from many Anime villains, ( or people's preference ) does not mean he is uninteresting ( he gets more upgrades than all, or most characters, I believe ). Of course, this is my opinion as well. And Naraku is not dead, and he does not appear to be dying anytime soon, either^_^

EDIT: Spoilers really do need to be hidden...now, next week's episode is going to be spoiled already, to some...:(
Have a nice day:)

[NahMan85]

Nope naraku's still alive and kicking...*Sees Inuyasha fans race for the exit* at least what's left of them.

[v1cious]

is it me? or is that episode title flagrant false advertising.

[Naraku-Sama]

is it me? or is that episode title flagrant false advertising.


Yes, correct...that is what Patches said in the last thread...:sweat: Strange.

[Duke]

Sesshomaru kills Naraku's cronies,
Um...Naraku doesn't have any cronies with him right now.

This episode proves why Fluffy is a badass. Able to beat two immortal god statues and travel to Hell just by unsheathing his sword, then is one of the few people that actually surprises Naraku and make him sweat, and before he starts to fight, he belts InuYasha for damaging daddy's grave. :)

[Captain Highwind]

This episode proves why Fluffy is a badass.:)

Indeed.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5589/seshylu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Spike Mcdougal]

Indeed.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5589/seshylu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That's funny:p

[Majin_Megabyte]

I'm just curious, has Naraku died yet in the manga? How can they keep one of the most uninteresting villains alive for so long?

Nope, he still alive, and kicking. And the manga just came out of a major event, with crazy stuff happening back and forth. Kouga losing his shards from Naraku, which leads that there is only one Jewel shard left, which is Kohaku's. And another main character just kick the bucket by Naraku.

[Will Sturnick]

...*Sees Inuyasha fans race for the exit* at least what's left of them.

I know a bunch of Inuyasha fans now who are just sticking around to see how it ends. We've followed it this long, we may as well stick around until the end.

[James Bester]

I believe that some people have the tendancy to expect too much out of Inu-Yasha, or compares the series to other Animes. There is more to a story than character-development, so I have no idea why it is such a big deal all the time ( I have a slight problem with it as well, but still...)
Naraku being " uninteresting " is an opinion, and simply because he is different from many Anime villains, ( or people's preference ) does not mean he is uninteresting ( he gets more upgrades than all, or most characters, I believe ). Of course, this is my opinion as well. And Naraku is not dead, and he does not appear to be dying anytime soon, either^_^

EDIT: Spoilers really do need to be hidden...now, next week's episode is going to be spoiled already, to some...:(
Have a nice day:)
Sure, there's more to a story than character development, but it's definitely a major part of the actual storyline. I'll admit that I enjoyed part of the Band of Seven Arc, but it just ended too fast and led to nothing.The problem with this series is that it seems like the writer(whoever he or she is) wants to keep everything the same. The relationships between the character have stayed the same for over 80 episodes. They even corrected the one thing that changed the plot which was Kikyo's death.

And as for Naraku being an interesting villain, who are you kidding? All we know about him is that he's an invincible jackass who wants the jewel shards to use for evil. He has no depth at all. And every fight with him has the same result. He forms another barrier and runs away to fight another day. It's gotten really stale. And his "upgrades" don't make him anymore interesting than he was at the beginning of the series. You can't have over 40 episodes of build-up lead to nothing everytime.

[foxx3699]

All I can say about this post is check out the Manga



Sure, there's more to a story than character development, but it's definitely a major part of the actual storyline. I'll admit that I enjoyed part of the Band of Seven Arc, but it just ended too fast and led to nothing.The problem with this series is that it seems like the writer(whoever he or she is) wants to keep everything the same. The relationships between the character have stayed the same for over 80 episodes. They even corrected the one thing that changed the plot which was Kikyo's death.

And as for Naraku being an interesting villain, who are you kidding? All we know about him is that he's an invincible jackass who wants the jewel shards to use for evil. He has no depth at all. And every fight with him has the same result. He forms another barrier and runs away to fight another day. It's gotten really stale. And his "upgrades" don't make him anymore interesting than he was at the beginning of the series. You can't have over 40 episodes of build-up lead to nothing everytime.

[DAISHI]

There's more to a story than character's developing? Well not much if the rest of your story goes nowhere.

[Game Freak 4]

And Naraku's doing all this just to make the Shikon Jewel whole. I wonder, the Shikon Jewel has the power to grant one wish to whoever holds it, right? well, has anyone ever wondered what is Naraku plans to wish for. Unlimited power? Domination? You think, for all the things he do to make the jewel whole, he would give a reason.

[DAISHI]

Mmm not exactly sure but I thought he wanted to be a pure demon.

<Not a big Inuyasha fan so can't say for sure.

[Captain Highwind]

Mmm not exactly sure but I thought he wanted to be a pure demon.

<Not a big Inuyasha fan so can't say for sure.

I think he did admit that some time ago to Miroku and Inuyasha.

[Patches]

So, this week Sesshoumaru weilds Tenseiga and jumps headfirst into the pits of Hell so he can kick some ass. Oddly, this describes both this week's anime episode AND manga chapter. o_O

As for character development, it seems like Takahashi is waiting until the last minute to do any of that, really. The thing that keeps these series going for so long is maintaining the status quo. We need to keep up the Kagome/Inuyasha/Kikyou conflict, Sesshoumaru and Inuyasha need to keep being estranged, Miroku needs to keep fondling Sango and flirting with other women, Shippou needs to keep being useless, and Naraku needs to keep just being randomly evil and then escaping in a cloud whenever the battle gets too heated. None of this will change until the story starts wrapping up.

[DAISHI]

That sums up in a nutshell why I lost interest in Inuyasha about 80 episodes ago.

[Crimefighter]

I haven't lost interest at all. I'm predicting the series gets resurrected in Japan when the magna winds down and ... well we'll call it Inuyashu Z.

Ya whine about no character development and nothing advancing over 80 episodes...have you seen DBZ?

[DAISHI]

Yeah I was through with that show a very long time ago, I've seen it all, and I've said many times it would have been great had it ended at Frieza. But it didn't and continued to suck. Up until then it was still acceptable.

[Space Cadet]

Yeah I was through with that show a very long time ago, I've seen it all, and I've said many times it would have been great had it ended at Frieza. But it didn't and continued to suck. Up until then it was still acceptable.


While I do agree that DBZ was drawn out, the Cell Saga was great. A little drawn out at times, but damn if that isn't my favorite saga.

[DAISHI]

There were redeemable things about the Cell Saga but by then I was tired of the 'most powerful person in the universe' being trumped by 'an even more most powerful person in the universe' bit.

I can suck in the Cell Saga, but not too happily. Boo was too much for me though.

[Space Cadet]

There were redeemable things about the Cell Saga but by then I was tired of the 'most powerful person in the universe' being trumped by 'an even more most powerful person in the universe' bit.

I can suck in the Cell Saga, but not too happily. Boo was too much for me though.

Sure, but Gohan had the best character development in that saga. Watching the episode where Gohan unleashed his hidden powers brings back memories.

Buu was "eh" to me as there were some things I liked but, some I didn't.

[Simon Trent]

I haven't lost interest at all. I'm predicting the series gets resurrected in Japan when the magna winds down and ... well we'll call it Inuyashu Z.

Ya whine about no character development and nothing advancing over 80 episodes...have you seen DBZ?
Yeah. DBZ makes me even madder at Inuyasha, mainly because of the wasted potential. Inuyasha is positively beautiful visually, unlike DBZ, and has a solid storyline that could have been good if the writers had even the slightest sense of pacing and character arc resolution. DBZ had neither of those, so I never really thought that it had much potential after the Namek thing ended.

[DAISHI]

I actually liked the Androids at first and thought they were cool.

[Fafhrd]

Since the anime ends soon (11 more?) and the manga keeps going on and on and on and on and..., I figure that it's no spoiler to learn that Naraku doesn't end up dead.

I figured that if the story had been written properly, and had an overall plot, that eventually, Naraku could be overcome. But it would require that Sesshomaru come to an understanding with Inuyasha. His having put up with Rin should have by now taught him something about humans, and he should understand just why his father ended up loving a human woman. Anyway, a combination of the strengths of the two brothers and Inuyasha's friends might suffice to defeat Naraku--but there are many too many loose ends right now, and there is no time to tie them up.

This will just go on and on and on and on and.... suddenly we will reach the final episode, and that will be that. Nothing resolved, just stop.

Phooey.

[Master Moron]

I haven't lost interest at all. I'm predicting the series gets resurrected in Japan when the magna winds down and ... well we'll call it Inuyashu Z.

Ya whine about no character development and nothing advancing over 80 episodes...have you seen DBZ?

Vegeta, Piccolo, and Gohan had character development.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Ya whine about no character development and nothing advancing over 80 episodes...have you seen DBZ?

Along with what everyone else said, at the very least a major villian would actually DIE over the course of 80 episodes of Dragonball Z. He wouldn't just keep reappearing and disappearing and continue being a threat. They'd move onto someone different, more powerful and even if they weren't more interesting it at least be a different character to fight every week. But not in Inuysaha, where Naraku has been in play for over 130 episodes and still hasn't gone away. I mean, DBZ advanced a hell of a lot more in that time then Inuyasha has. Pratically every other long running series has too. But not here. Pratically the only reason people have stuck around this long is to see how it ends so it'd better end soon before people start getting really made and go after Rumiko or something.

[herbkir]

I don't think its spoiling to say that the post-anime manga sees 5 important recurring characters depart from the storyline in various ways (but Naraku isn't one of them), and recent chapters have featured a lot of character development.

I've always thought Naraku would be a better villain if he were more fully developed. The best villains in fiction have admirable aspects about them, or someting with which we can sympathize. Naraku's the closest thing to a cardboard character in the IY series, although he has had his good moments. Fortunately, the other characters are complex enough to keep the story interesting.

As to the episode itself, I'd wanted to see the animation of Sesshomaru subduing the guards and passing through the gate to the land of the dead. It was a good sequence in the manga and the animated version didn't disappoint me.

People gripe about how the story is always the same and how the IY series never gets anywhere. Well, there's a certain comfort in knowing pretty much how the story goes. With IY, it's the details that make the difference and keep things interesting. There is growth and change over the course of the anime. It's just slow.

The manga really is the better telling of the IY story, but it's so nice to see the manga images animated. And with the manga now nearing its end, there's always the possibility of a movie or OVA to put an actual conclusion to the anime series. Which probably would enhance its market value. (^_*)

[Steiner]

The manga really is the better telling of the IY story, but it's so nice to see the manga images animated. And with the manga now nearing its end, there's always the possibility of a movie or OVA to put an actual conclusion to the anime series. Which probably would enhance its market value. (^_*)

I've never read the manga, but from what I've seen online about it, there is probably enough to make another series. O fcourse I'd wait until the manga is totally finished, then they could eliminate filler arcs, and maybe cut it down to 50 episodes or something, give or take.

[DAISHI]

Yeah filler material usually sucks.

[Patches]

I've never read the manga, but from what I've seen online about it, there is probably enough to make another series. O fcourse I'd wait until the manga is totally finished, then they could eliminate filler arcs, and maybe cut it down to 50 episodes or something, give or take.
At present, there are 111 manga chapters worth of material since the anime ended. Going by an average of 3 chapters per episode, this is enough for 37 episodes, which is good enough for a season and a half worth of anime. I'd guess we'd have enough for two full seasons (52 episodes) by the time the manga completes.

It might take a while, though, if they ever do it. The original anime wasn't even announced until the manga hit chapter 165, and the first episode aired when the manga was at chapter 188. So, we've potentially still got another year to go before we'd conceivably hear anything.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Although Inuyasha took a bizzarely long time to get animated. Most series get animated within 2-3 years(Hunter x Hunter only took one), yet Inuyasha took like 5. There's quite a bit of material currently in the manga, especially if they only go at 2 chapters per episode(a more normal rate for a long running Shounen).

I'd kill to see a lot of the later manga events animated, especially if they could avoid filler.

[KaidoYuji8Adam]

So what you're saying is that the manga is winding down, and is actually really good? Inuyasha has been dragging for a while, with a few jems. I would really like to see things change..

[Timmay]

Actually Tetsaiga becomes the main character almost.. sword upgrade -> barrier -> sword upgrade -> barrier..

[Patches]

So what you're saying is that the manga is winding down, and is actually really good? Inuyasha has been dragging for a while, with a few jems. I would really like to see things change..
Well, it has its moments. I could have done without the year-long sword-upgrade arc. x__x The past few chapters have been pulling a bunch of major WTF-age all in a row, though.

[Scirel]

Well, it has its moments. I could have done without the year-long sword-upgrade arc. x__x The past few chapters have been pulling a bunch of major WTF-age all in a row, though.

Things have gotten really moving especially recently:

Kikyo dying FOR REAL, Naraku getting Koga's shards FINALLY, Moryoumaru dying FINALLY. and now we have Fluffy's mom showing up.

I have a few questions though:


I missed some things: What happened to Kana and the baby inside Moryoumaru? Also what about the new incarnation Naraku made? What happened to him? I missed those things while reading inuyasha companion.

[Majin_Megabyte]

The past few chapters have been pulling a bunch of major WTF-age all in a row, though.

Yeah I know. I'm still shock about most of the stuff that happend so far.

[Will Sturnick]

I have a few questions though:

I missed some things: What happened to Kana and the baby inside Moryoumaru? Also what about the new incarnation Naraku made? What happened to him? I missed those things while reading inuyasha companion.

As far as know Kanna and Byakuya are just not doing anything. They're still around but they must have found where Kouga hides for is 100 chapter absences.

Naraku reabsorbed the baby. He once again realized it;s best for him to have his heart with him. So basically a rethread of the Muso arc.

[DAISHI]

Sure, there's more to a story than character development, but it's definitely a major part of the actual storyline. I'll admit that I enjoyed part of the Band of Seven Arc, but it just ended too fast and led to nothing.The problem with this series is that it seems like the writer(whoever he or she is) wants to keep everything the same. The relationships between the character have stayed the same for over 80 episodes. They even corrected the one thing that changed the plot which was Kikyo's death.

And as for Naraku being an interesting villain, who are you kidding? All we know about him is that he's an invincible jackass who wants the jewel shards to use for evil. He has no depth at all. And every fight with him has the same result. He forms another barrier and runs away to fight another day. It's gotten really stale. And his "upgrades" don't make him anymore interesting than he was at the beginning of the series. You can't have over 40 episodes of build-up lead to nothing everytime.

It's like the Simpsons with action and a lot of weapon upgrades.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

As far as know Kanna and Byakuya are just not doing anything. They're still around but they must have found where Kouga hides for is 100 chapter absences.

Naraku reabsorbed the baby. He once again realized it;s best for him to have his heart with him. So basically a rethread of the Muso arc.

Byakuya just showed up about 10 chapters ago, encountering Kohaku. But I don't think Kannas shown up in forever.