View Full Version : Toon Zone Talkback - SDCC: Funimation's "Crayon Shin-chan" to Air on Adult Swim
This is the talkback thread for SDCC: Funimation's "Crayon Shin-chan" to Air on Adult Swim (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=11669).
Fairly big news, this. We (or, rather, you) finally get to see a real anime comedy on AS.
http://news.toonzone.net/images/2006-07/splash_comicconcrayonlarge.jpg
Andrew T. Hingson
07-21-2006, 10:24 AM
ARE YOU SERIOUS!?!?!?
I didn't think the dub would be ready yet.
Youko Recca
07-21-2006, 11:36 AM
Don't really know too much about the show. IFC looks like it's getting some of AS's ammo though.
Non Sequitur
07-21-2006, 11:36 AM
Great, I'm guessing this is going to be another show that just isn't funny after being translated (if it was even funny before being translated). Of course the Japan fetishists will all pretend to love it regardless.
Timmay
07-21-2006, 12:04 PM
What the hell? It's not some bizarro late april fools joke is it?
TnAdct1
07-21-2006, 12:22 PM
A couple comments about this piece of news:
On the show itself: looks like we're going to be having another situation similar to "Case Closed" here in that the show is actually geared more towards kids, but, due to some of the humor (i.e. "elephant impression", "cheek monster" and a running gag about the boob size of Shin-chan's mother), is not safe for regular CN timeslots.
On the translation: I've seen a few episodes of the Hawaiian sub for this show (yes, the show has aired subbed on Hawaiian television), and it looks like the Hawaiians were able to handle some of the puns that Shin-chan made in the original series. Hence, I'm sure Funi could handle this as well.
Space Cadet
07-21-2006, 01:18 PM
I wonder what they mean by "test run?"
William C. Maune
07-21-2006, 01:33 PM
Great, I'm guessing this is going to be another show that just isn't funny after being translated (if it was even funny before being translated). Of course the Japan fetishists will all pretend to love it regardless.
How about giving it a chance before putting it down and bashing the fans?
Space Cadet
07-21-2006, 01:37 PM
Wait, Phuuz already dubbed some of it? When was this?
A couple comments about this piece of news:
On the show itself: looks like we're going to be having another situation similar to "Case Closed" here in that the show is actually geared more towards kids, but, due to some of the humor (i.e. "elephant impression", "cheek monster" and a running gag about the boob size of Shin-chan's mother), is not safe for regular CN timeslots.
It's offical. We've got another bomb.
Zorak Masaki
07-21-2006, 01:43 PM
If the manga is any impression, this show is going to get real old real fast.
herbkir
07-21-2006, 03:02 PM
I guess Gunslinger Girl and Basilisk were too much for Adult Swim. Or did they get outbid by IFC again? Samurai 7 must have been successful for IFC to go after additional adult anime titles.
By running their adult anime uncut, and with no commercial breaks in the middle, and with at least 2 encores of each episode each week, IFC may be trying to stake out a position as THE place to go for adult anime fare. Since IFC's generally not included in basic cable, though, I don't see it displacing Adult Swim as an adult anime TV outlet.
As to Crayon Shin-chan, its comedy appears to be of a more universal nature than what Milk-chan was. It's about a kid who's just out to have some fun, nothing really mean, but his antics annoy everyone around him no end. How universal can you get? And since it's going to be running with a brand-new dub, any jokes that get lost in translation will likely be fixed or rewritten. Plus, each episode runs only 13 min., including openings/endings. With editing, each episode likely would fit neatly into one of AS' 15-min comedy slots. Who knows, maybe they'll try it out on a Sunday. (^_*)
IFC also has the advantage of not making fun of anime viewers.
Wait, Phuuz already dubbed some of it? When was this?
Its the edited version that airs on Jetix UK (or did in the past)
It had some name changes, but i think it was dubbed uncut and edited down.
Riza Hawkeye
07-21-2006, 03:39 PM
This is interesting news, I didn't expect FUNi to pitch this to AS. I'll certainly check this when it starts airing, hopefully it is more successful than CC (though I loved CC myself). Personally I'm more interested in the IFC news. I already have all of Gunslinger Girl, but I'll watch it again, and I was interested in Basilisk so that'll be on my must-see list when it premieres.
I saw some Crayon Shin Chan dubbed in Spanish a month ago, I thought it was pretty funny. Hopefully the English dub will be good too. Never thought it would air on Adult Swim, but maybe it'll work out.
KuwabaraTheMan
07-21-2006, 03:59 PM
Wow, this was unexpected.
I doubt AS will give it a shot, but it could be enjoyable to watch.
Emperor Fred
07-21-2006, 04:24 PM
I get the feeling that this show will probably be as unsuccessful with Adult Swim's audience as Case Closed - the difference is Funimation knows it, which is why they're calling this a "test run" - Funimation doesn't expect any kind of long-term commitment out of Adult Swim, nor are they asking for it. They just worked out a deal with them to get some quick exposure for the show.
Sasshi
07-21-2006, 05:26 PM
I can't wait to see the dub of this. In Hawaii, KIKU pretty muched subbed this show, and it was pretty popular here, although I did get a angry when KIKU took of the air. Still, this is good news for me.
Andrew T. Hingson
07-21-2006, 06:10 PM
My guess is AS did want at least Basalisk but IFC outbid them again. Not sure about GSG... I think AS would be very hesitant on that one.
Good grief... between Pee-Wee, Crayon Shin Chan, Bleach, Eureka seveN and random oldies in the latest hours... it's getting incredibly hard to call this block adult anymore.
Tay the Cat
07-21-2006, 06:32 PM
Meh. I don't doubt FUNimation will do bad with their dub, but I'd rather see the older dub with Grey DeLisle and Tara Strong.
Tenku
07-21-2006, 06:39 PM
Good grief... between Pee-Wee, Crayon Shin Chan, Bleach, Eureka seveN and random oldies in the latest hours... it's getting incredibly hard to call this block adult anymore.
Well, not every adult is mature.
Brent Long
07-21-2006, 06:41 PM
Wait, Phuuz already dubbed some of it? When was this?
Quite a few years ago actually. It was Grey DeLisle's first role.
FlyByNite77
07-21-2006, 06:41 PM
For Saturday or Sundays? The animation quality would fit right in on Sunday originals ;)
Tay the Cat
07-21-2006, 06:52 PM
Quite a few years ago actually. It was Grey DeLisle's first role.
More like 16 years ago.
v1cious
07-21-2006, 07:54 PM
remember when Adult Swim used to be THE place for anime? man IFC is kicking their ass. add to that the fact that they don't edit stuff out.
Space Cadet
07-21-2006, 08:40 PM
remember when Adult Swim used to be THE place for anime? man IFC is kicking their ass. add to that the fact that they don't edit stuff out.
Yeah, IFC sure is winning the battle against AS. There is no way that a block/network that reaches 89 million homes can win against a network that 12 people get. It's mathematically impossible.
ChibiGoku
07-21-2006, 09:02 PM
My guess is AS did want at least Basalisk but IFC outbid them again. Not sure about GSG... I think AS would be very hesitant on that one.
Good grief... between Pee-Wee, Crayon Shin Chan, Bleach, Eureka seveN and random oldies in the latest hours... it's getting incredibly hard to call this block adult anymore.
Eureka seveN will get more adult as the show continues on. And somewhat gets up there with Evangelion.
Tachikoma
07-21-2006, 09:49 PM
Yeah, IFC sure is winning the battle against AS. There is no way that a block/network that reaches 89 million homes can win against a network that 12 people get. It's mathematically impossible.
actually, there's a difference of 50 million subscribers between [as] & IFC. with that said, i seriously doubt they have anywhere near 100,000 viewers for their anime programming.
given that, i still think [as] is the best place for Anime. i cannot imagine any other basic cable channel that would have aired GITS:SAC/2nd GIG, FLCL, and Knockin' on Heaven's Door with the same level of presentation and appreciation as [as].
Fan of Sponge
07-21-2006, 11:14 PM
Come on, [adult swim] is trying something new here. I know most of [adult swim]'s anime programming has been action all around execpt for a few shows that have a comical element here and there.
Once the show starts I will try to watch this show. From what it looks, the show is on the same level as Family Guy a couple of mature scenes here and there, but the rest is just pure imagination and humor. Teens will watch it and others will get a good kick out of it and if Crayon Shin-chan works in America, [adult swim] will probably add more anime comedy shows.
v1cious
07-21-2006, 11:42 PM
Come on, [adult swim] is trying something new here. I know most of [adult swim]'s anime programming has been action all around execpt for a few shows that have a comical element here and there.
Once the show starts I will try to watch this show. From what it looks, the show is on the same level as Family Guy a couple of mature scenes here and there, but the rest is just pure imagination and humor. Teens will watch it and others will get a good kick out of it and if Crayon Shin-chan works in America, [adult swim] will probably add more anime comedy shows.
it's not that it's comedy, my problem is the kind of show it is. i predict it's gonna go over like Detective Conan.
MeggieMay
07-22-2006, 12:01 AM
My guess is AS did want at least Basalisk but IFC outbid them again. Not sure about GSG... I think AS would be very hesitant on that one.
I thought someone at ASMB asked Kim Manning about GSG a while back and she said they passed on it but I'm not certain if I read that or just thought it was said. As for Basalisk, I'm not sure if they wanted that one or not but personally I think both shows probably will be better on IFC even if I don't get that channel.
William C. Maune
07-22-2006, 01:08 AM
I just can't see Gunslinger Girl working on Adult Swim. The content and ideas in the series already got enough flack just in the discussions about it on the Anime Forum. I'm not sure I'd want to see the mass audience reaction. I do think it is a great series though.
Fresh V
07-22-2006, 02:02 AM
Wow, I sure didn't expect Shin-chan to end up on AS, or even end up on TV (aside from FUNi's channel) in the first place. This was pretty unexpected. I haven't ever seen the show, but I'm looking forward to it. I hope it doesn't end up like Case Closed.
livingfruitvirus
07-22-2006, 06:20 AM
How come whenever AS acquires a new anime, all anyone does is whine?
Classic Speedy
07-22-2006, 10:44 AM
How come whenever AS acquires a new anime, all anyone does is whine? It's exhausting, isn't it?
Andrew T. Hingson
07-22-2006, 11:38 AM
How come whenever AS acquires a new anime, all anyone does is whine?
Because they mostly pick up stuff that's bound to fail.
jbanks97
07-22-2006, 01:10 PM
How come whenever AS acquires a new anime, all anyone does is whine?
Because adult swim hates and makes fun of their anime viewers***........that's why they are always acquiring new unproven shows.
Or alot of anime fans just love to whine
***(I still can't figure that logic out)
Yeah, IFC sure is winning the battle against AS. There is no way that a block/network that reaches 89 million homes can win against a network that 12 people get. It's mathematically impossible.
300,000 out of 89 million people watch ASA. At least double that out of 12 million watch IFC.
Personally, I'm very happy GSG and Basillik are airing on TV. IFC will treat the shows right.
300,000 out of 89 million people watch ASA. At least double that out of 12 million watch IFC.
300,000 18-34 year olds. I'm sure a helluva lot more 6-17 year olds are watching AS anime.
William C. Maune
07-22-2006, 02:45 PM
Because they mostly pick up stuff that's bound to fail.
I haven't seen any suggestions around here of shows that are more likely to succeed. When people make suggestions they are usual otaku-oriented shows that have little if any appeal for the mainstream audience.
Of course Crayon Shin-chan is going to fail if everyone says it is going to fail. I think this is a rather good acquistion. Is it going to please anime fans? Of course not. But as seen, they generally complain anyway. Instead, it's an anime series, but a much different style than any other anime series they've picked up. They are trying something different, and even if it is ultimately unsuccessful, they need to try different things if they are going to find something that works. They may actually be able to fit this into the Sunday block.
shoujoaifan
07-22-2006, 02:53 PM
This could go either way.
*The main audience doesn't care about anime and an anime rating's will never get up to Futurama, FG, AD, etc.
*On the flipside, if enough 18-24's find it cute, and some of the more risque jokes that wouldn't fly on CN attract a few stranglers from the other shows that don't mind if the amount of risque jokes are low, then maybe it'll do "Tom Goes To The Mayor"-level of ratings, and if the license to show it on TV is low enough to be comparable to the micro-small budget of TGTM, then maybe it'll survive in the later hours of Sun. or wherever they put it.
*On the flipside again, CSC can totally surprise us, and is one of those rare things that almost by pure luck of timing latches onto the subconscious of the viewers and endears to them, or the audience just plain loves it for little or no reason whatsoever other than they like it, like how some shows become hits "just 'cause" they do. I'm not holding my breath, just covering myself in case it does well :p
*Or maybe it will draw alot of (or some) parents who can relate to the mom. There's a (slim) hope that AS might be able to attract more than 18-24's after this.
*Or maybe the real-life examples of sterotypical soccer moms from hell, as well as the normal busy bodies who poke thier noses into other people's business, regardless of soccer-affiliation or not, will call it child pornagraphy because of some of the jokes, and will want it off the air.
Youko Recca
07-22-2006, 03:42 PM
I'm honestly laughing my ass off in the e-face of people who are catching feelings over AS cracking on them. Y'all need to get off this "woe is me" ****, and brush it off. And this is EVERYONE, too. Real life, e-life, whatever. You don't watch AS to be Williams Street friends, you watch for the shows that their disses shouldn't be preventing you from doing so.
I don't know... there's certainly something to it. I mean, actualy being offended by it is silly but I'm hard pressed to find any reason to want to support a block that mocks it's fans and doesn't have any goods to back up their superiority.
AS makes fun of themselves... quality programming.
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K-S-O
07-22-2006, 04:35 PM
300,000 18-34 year olds. I'm sure a helluva lot more 6-17 year olds are watching AS anime.
Aren't those numbers reported from those Nielson people, who are said to be highly inaccurate?
I haven't seen any suggestions around here of shows that are more likely to succeed. When people make suggestions they are usual otaku-oriented shows that have little if any appeal for the mainstream audience.
Of course Crayon Shin-chan is going to fail if everyone says it is going to fail. I think this is a rather good acquistion. Is it going to please anime fans? Of course not. But as seen, they generally complain anyway. Instead, it's an anime series, but a much different style than any other anime series they've picked up. They are trying something different, and even if it is ultimately unsuccessful, they need to try different things if they are going to find something that works. They may actually be able to fit this into the Sunday block.
Gunslinger Girl would be a great show for Adult Swim. It's got action, intrigue, etc... But Adult Swim doesn't want good anime, they want weird anime.
William C. Maune
07-22-2006, 04:40 PM
Gunslinger Girl would be a great show for Adult Swim. It's got action, intrigue, etc... But Adult Swim doesn't want good anime, they want weird anime.
Gunslinger Girl would catch way too much flak on Adult Swim. There were already enough people in the discussions about it here on Toon Zone who seemed to be digusted with the concept in general. I do think it is a great series, but I'd hate to see the reaction from the audience at large.
Timmay
07-22-2006, 04:47 PM
AS doesn't make fun of anime near as much as the people on these forums ***** about it.
Space Cadet
07-22-2006, 04:52 PM
Aren't those numbers reported from those Nielson people, who are said to be highly inaccurate?
True, it's not the most reliable thing, but that's where all the television networks get their ratings from.
K-S-O
07-22-2006, 05:11 PM
True, it's not the most reliable thing, but that's where all the television networks get their ratings from.
That's why I suspect that more people watch ASA than what is reported.
William C. Maune
07-22-2006, 05:12 PM
That's why I suspect that more people watch ASA than what is reported.
On the other hand, it could be less than what is reported. Whether they are good or not, the Nielson numbers are the only numbers available to go by.
Master Moron
07-22-2006, 07:31 PM
Gunslinger Girl would catch way too much flak on Adult Swim. There were already enough people in the discussions about it here on Toon Zone who seemed to be digusted with the concept in general. I do think it is a great series, but I'd hate to see the reaction from the audience at large.
When's the last time you saw any Adult Swim anime get any media attention at all? FLCL had like one article where a parent complained. And FLCL was a big hit for Adult Swim. Actually, I think the fact that it would generate complaints about the content would actually be a positive. There's no such thing as bad publicity. And right now, Adult Swim action needs all the publicity it can get. But, really, I doubt anyone would pay attention to a block that airs anime late at night on Saturday.
The Myst
07-23-2006, 02:25 AM
How come whenever AS acquires a new anime, all anyone does is whine?
Perhaps because it's all bad?
Perhaps because it's all bad?
Cowboy Bebop? FLCL? Paranoia Agent? Samurai Champloo? Stand Alone Complex? Evangelion? Full Metal Alchemist? Are you insane?
The Myst
07-23-2006, 02:45 AM
Cowboy Bebop? FLCL? Paranoia Agent? Samurai Champloo? Stand Alone Complex? Evangelion? Full Metal Alchemist? Are you insane?
Nobody complained about those though. The ones that get complaints are crap like this and Super Milk Chan.
livingfruitvirus
07-23-2006, 02:52 AM
300,000 out of 89 million people watch ASA. At least double that out of 12 million watch IFC.
If that were the case, they'd be a top 15 network. Even FX, Spike TV, AMC and Comedy Central have a lower number than 600,000.
livingfruitvirus
07-23-2006, 02:56 AM
Also, we saw the dub today. Laura Bailey is playing Shin. Harry is either Kent Williams or Chuck Huber, but I'm betting on the former.
William C. Maune
07-23-2006, 02:56 AM
Nobody complained about those though. The ones that get complaints are crap like this and Super Milk Chan.
Have you seen Crayon Shin-chan? Plus, Crayon Shin-chan and Super Milk Chan do not in the least make up all of Adult Swim's anime acquisitions.
Nobody complained about those though. The ones that get complaints are crap like this and Super Milk Chan.
Perhaps because it's all bad?
all. Being or representing the entire or total number, amount, or quantity.
And Crayon Shin-chan is infinitely better than Super Milk-chan. Just because both have "chan" in the name doesn't make them part of the same franchise or something.
The Myst
07-23-2006, 04:45 AM
Have you seen Crayon Shin-chan? Plus, Crayon Shin-chan and Super Milk Chan do not in the least make up all of Adult Swim's anime acquisitions.
No but I've read enough to see that it looks like the worst show since Super Milk Chan. And it's not just those. It's also s-CRY-ed. It's also Eureka Seven.
William C. Maune
07-23-2006, 04:51 AM
No but I've read enough to see that it looks like the worst show since Super Milk Chan. And it's not just those. It's also s-CRY-ed. It's also Eureka Seven.
You may at least want to check it our yourself instead of just relying on what you've read so far. No need to condemn it so soon. If you still don't like it after having seen it on Adult Swim, then I can't really argue with it. As for Eureka 7, there are definitely those who don't like it, but it also definitely has its fans and some critical acclaim. Not every acquisition is going to be able to please everybody. As for s-cry-ed, it's not my cup of tea, but it seems to be one of the better performing series on Adult Swim ratings-wise and thus there must be some significant number of folks who like it.
KuwabaraTheMan
07-23-2006, 04:52 AM
No but I've read enough to see that it looks like the worst show since Super Milk Chan. And it's not just those. It's also s-CRY-ed. It's also Eureka Seven.
Now you've gone too far. Scryed was a great show. It was like Adult Swim's G-Gundam. A show that was cheezy and knew it, but also had strong characters and an interesting story going on. And Eureka Seven looks interesting so far to me.
I also don't get why you pre-judge Crayon Shin-chan. It might not look pretty, but don't you like 12 Oz Mouse?
And it must be doing something right to stay on the air for so long...
The Myst
07-23-2006, 05:08 AM
Now you've gone too far. Scryed was a great show. It was like Adult Swim's G-Gundam. A show that was cheezy and knew it, but also had strong characters and an interesting story going on. And Eureka Seven looks interesting so far to me.
I also don't get why you pre-judge Crayon Shin-chan. It might not look pretty, but don't you like 12 Oz Mouse?
And it must be doing something right to stay on the air for so long...
1. s-CRY-ed was horrible. I'm sorry but it's probably the worst anime I've ever seen. Eureka I just can't stand.
2. I'm pre-judging it on what I've read it's like. I don't care about art at all. It's not about art. It's about the premise sounding terrible. There is no humor in bad puns and a child mis-interpreting phrases and using them incorrectly.
3. Well it's supposedly a bunch of in-jokes for the Japanese like Super Milk Chan. It also seems to not be able to translate into English without losing stuff.
The Myst
07-23-2006, 05:09 AM
all. Being or representing the entire or total number, amount, or quantity.
And Crayon Shin-chan is infinitely better than Super Milk-chan. Just because both have "chan" in the name doesn't make them part of the same franchise or something.
1. Stop picking apart my words like you didn't know what I meant. I hate when people do that.
2. Yes but both rely on in-jokes and cultural references in Japan which an American audience wouldn't get.
2. Yes but both rely on in-jokes and cultural references in Japan which an American audience wouldn't get.
They'll just change what they can, then. Knowing FUNi, I doubt they'll just leave the script the exact same and not change a thing (especially after Desert Punk).
KuwabaraTheMan
07-23-2006, 05:22 AM
1. s-CRY-ed was horrible. I'm sorry but it's probably the worst anime I've ever seen. Eureka I just can't stand.
Scryed isn't even the worst anime to ever air on AS. Outlaw Crap, Sleep Alone Complex, and Candidate for Suicide all have it beat there.
Scryed isn't even the worst anime to ever air on AS. Outlaw Crap, Sleep Alone Complex, and Candidate for Suicide all have it beat there.
That's so funny I forgot to laugh (except the last one, Candidate for Goddess sucked). But Outlaw Star and Stand Alone Complex are 100 times better than some crappy anime about some guy with superpowers. The uninteresting characters don't help it any, either.
Cowboy Bebop? FLCL? Paranoia Agent? Samurai Champloo? Stand Alone Complex? Evangelion? Full Metal Alchemist? Are you insane?
Half of those are over a year old, if not older.
Paranoia Agent was bought in for no other reason than to fail. And fail mightily it did.
So yeah, ASA's programming aquisitions, continuing with another kiddie show, and not even a good kiddie show at that, are highly suspect.
jbanks97
07-23-2006, 02:23 PM
Half of those are over a year old, if not older.
Paranoia Agent was bought in for no other reason than to fail. And fail mightily it did.
So yeah, ASA's programming aquisitions, continuing with another kiddie show, and not even a good kiddie show at that, are highly suspect.
Yes the mighty AS only acquired Paranoia Agent to punish the audience. It couldn't be because some people actually LIKE the show, and you just don't get it. Lack of viewers always means poor quality. Inuyasha therefore must be the best Anime of all time. It of course is again the big adult swim hates anime viewers conspiracy.
ANIME VIEWERS LOVE TO WHINE
Generally, if you get a show, you don't get an absolute confirmed DOA failure like Paranoia Agent. You get a show with at least a snowball's chance of finding an audience.
Let Adult Swim make fun of me and call me a whiner. I'll keep not watching.;)
William C. Maune
07-23-2006, 02:48 PM
I would have thought people would be happy that Adult Swim decided to forgo ratings in favor of airing an acclaimed show by one of Japan's best directors.
Plus, I haven't really seen Adult Swim make fun of action viewers in quite awhile. It was mostly Inu Yasha fans when it happened (whom seemingly everyone around here made fun of already), and that was a long time ago at this point.
I'm sure a few fans were happy, while everyone else (including myself) were put to sleep, unable to understand why Williams Street would put a guaranteed failure on an already struggling block.
Timmay
07-23-2006, 02:57 PM
Let Adult Swim make fun of me and call me a whiner. I'll keep not watching.;)If you're not even watching the program why are you *****ing incessantly in every thread related to it? I don't want this to come across as a flame, but every post I've read of yours in the last month or two has either been *****ing about advertising or how every Adult Swim program sucks (even though you don't even watch them). We get it, you think AS sucks at advertising, and you hate every show on it (even though you don't watch them).
Also, other than a few things directed at Inuyasha fans, I can't recall much of AS making fun of you.
William C. Maune
07-23-2006, 03:07 PM
I'm sure a few fans were happy, while everyone else (including myself) were put to sleep, unable to understand why Williams Street would put a guaranteed failure on an already struggling block.
I think you underestimate the number of people who appreciated Paranoia Agent.
Maybe so, and I could understand taking a risk IF Adult Swim had a built in audience and a resonable modicum of success so that one failed show wouldn't be too big a problem. Unfortunately, the timing was bad, as Adult Swim had been coming off of several failures and lowering ratings. Paranoia Agent just dug the proverbial hole deeper.
William C. Maune
07-23-2006, 03:21 PM
Unfortunately, the timing was bad, as Adult Swim had been coming off of several failures and lowering ratings. Paranoia Agent just dug the proverbial hole deeper.
At the time of Paranoia Agent debuted, Adult Swim Action was just coming off the initial run of the first half of Fullmetal Alchemist, which had the action block's consistently highest ratings to date. And Ghost in the Shell was often not too far behind. Throughout the span of Adult Swim Action, that was the time when ratings had been the highest and seen the most success.
Space Cadet
07-23-2006, 05:45 PM
Also, we saw the dub today. Laura Bailey is playing Shin. Harry is either Kent Williams or Chuck Huber, but I'm betting on the former.
So, was it funny?
The Myst
07-23-2006, 06:46 PM
They'll just change what they can, then. Knowing FUNi, I doubt they'll just leave the script the exact same and not change a thing (especially after Desert Punk).
And FUNi has ever done well when they change stuff? I don't want a bunch of Japanese in-jokes but I don't want a FUNi butchering either.
Scryed isn't even the worst anime to ever air on AS. Outlaw Crap, Sleep Alone Complex, and Candidate for Suicide all have it beat there.
Stand Alone Complex and Outlaw Star were two of the best animes AS has ever aired.
Half of those are over a year old, if not older.
Paranoia Agent was bought in for no other reason than to fail. And fail mightily it did.
So yeah, ASA's programming aquisitions, continuing with another kiddie show, and not even a good kiddie show at that, are highly suspect.
Paranoia Agent is one of my favorites but I agree it was a stupid acquisition because it was doomed from the start. It doesn't fit in with the programming block and would never have gained an audience. And it didn't. I loved it but even I admit it was doomed.
Yes the mighty AS only acquired Paranoia Agent to punish the audience. It couldn't be because some people actually LIKE the show, and you just don't get it. Lack of viewers always means poor quality. Inuyasha therefore must be the best Anime of all time. It of course is again the big adult swim hates anime viewers conspiracy.
ANIME VIEWERS LOVE TO WHINE
He didn't even say it was bad though. I know he doesn't like it but he didn't say anything here about it being bad. He just said it was a failure and AS knew it would fail. Which is true. I loved it but it was a failure that was destined from the start to be a failure. It's not the type of show that can work on AS and it was a bad acquisition from a business standpoint. It appealed only to fans like me.
Generally, if you get a show, you don't get an absolute confirmed DOA failure like Paranoia Agent. You get a show with at least a snowball's chance of finding an audience.
Let Adult Swim make fun of me and call me a whiner. I'll keep not watching.;)
Agreed. Paranoia Agent was a great show from a fan standpoint, it was a horrible show from a business standpoint. I'm a fan of the show but they're running a business and you can't try to please a small minority in the hopes that it will bring in cash.
I would have thought people would be happy that Adult Swim decided to forgo ratings in favor of airing an acclaimed show by one of Japan's best directors.
Plus, I haven't really seen Adult Swim make fun of action viewers in quite awhile. It was mostly Inu Yasha fans when it happened (whom seemingly everyone around here made fun of already), and that was a long time ago at this point.
I was glad that AS decided to pick up a great show that was destined to be a failure just for the minority of fans and I loved the show. But it was a bad decision from a business standpoint, my actual opinions on the show aside.
I think you underestimate the number of people who appreciated Paranoia Agent.
You underestimate the people who didn't. I was one of the few who did but we're not enough to give it high ratings which made it a bad decision on AS's part.
And FUNi has ever done well when they change stuff? I don't want a bunch of Japanese in-jokes but I don't want a FUNi butchering either.
Well, have you seen Desert Punk? I haven't seen many people not praise the dub, despite all the added-in jokes. Case Closed's dub script (name changes aside) isn't even close to a word-for-word translation (Conan's little quips are changed a lot). It's been a while since I've seen subbed Kodocha, but I believe FUNi's changed around a few of the Japanese-only jokes (though some of them couldn't be changed, like the pun on Sana's name) to fit the dubbing.
Why in the world would FUNi "butcher" it? Are you thinking they'll cut out episodes and splice them together? The two ends of the spectrum you could measure the dub by are Bobobo and Azumanga Daioh. On one hand, FUNi could go the extra-careful literal route that Azumanga went (and succeeded, BTW), but on the other hand, FUNi could just take the basic plot points and then make up a whole bunch of other crap that fits the scene like Bobobo and essentially turn it into a parody dub.
MeggieMay
07-23-2006, 10:29 PM
Well my thoughts on Crayon Shin-chan are that I'll give it a try but most likely I won't stick with it. This is because I find the artstyle repulsive and the show is suppose to be similar to The Simpsons (and I'm not fond of that show). That said, not watching Crayon Shin-chan because it "might" be like Super Milk Chan is just daft! :rolleyes2:
These shows are not related in any way that I've read other than SMC did a parody of CS-c one episode. SMC was dubbed by ADV - a dub that was actually two dubs - one that jazzed up for a U.S. audience (lots of swearing included) and one that followed the Japanese version almost to the point of cultural overkill. Now, it was the latter dub that is the one Adult Swim picked up. As to CS-c - that dub is being done by Funimation. While ADV and Funi do share some of their talent pool they aren't the same company and I don't expect the dub to be anything like Super Milk Chan's.
As for cultural references being a problem for Crayon Shin-chan, well IMO that's going to matter on what type of cultural references they use. Keep in mind that The Simpsons is extremely popular in Japan and that show is chalked full of American cultural references which don't seem to trip of the audience there enough to keep the show from being popular. On the other hand, Super Milk Chan was a show that was built around obscure Japanese cultural references - I've read that it wasn't always that easy to follow the show in Japan even. So it's no surprise that SMC seemed to be even harder to follow than normal in the strict English dub and it's why ADV opted to do two different dubs for the show (the fact that the Adult Swim programer who picked up Super Milk Chan was said to have found it much funner than the Americanized verion is what mind boggles me :sweat:).
Anyway, it's hard to tell if the show is going to do well or not. If it really is as "good" as The Simpsons, then it may work. However, the Adult Swim audience is very fickle and very independent of from what online fandom thinks of things. As has been mentioned already, s-CRY-ed actually did well in the ratings and is still doing well in repeats, Internet tastes be damned. So you can't rule any show in or out just by what people on line think, in my opinion.
Funkatron
07-24-2006, 12:52 AM
I really wished they'd used the US-ified version of Milk-chan. So much funnier.
I'd definately give this one a chance. sounds funny enough.
Zyzzybalubah
07-24-2006, 01:26 AM
Hey I'll watch this, but I'm only one of a few people, right? Two scenarios for this show are likely to take place:
1. They play Crayon Shin-chan on Sunday like they did with Super Milk-chan and it will get horrid ratings reducing it to a Saturday night grave yard slot and eventually the 5 am spot with Cartoon Planet and Milk-chan.
2. It airs on Saturday with the usual techno music-ad played at 1 am and later, gets bad ratings and Williams Street will throw their usual temper tantrums on all of us for not watching.
Just another day in the park.
Master Moron
07-24-2006, 01:33 AM
Candidate for Suicide
Oh my God. That was the funniest thing I heard all day. I wish I could come up with funny names for Adult Swim shows. Of course, I have come up with porn names for most of the Adult Swim shows, but that probably wouldn't be allowed on this board.
Yes the mighty AS only acquired Paranoia Agent to punish the audience. It couldn't be because some people actually LIKE the show, and you just don't get it. Lack of viewers always means poor quality. Inuyasha therefore must be the best Anime of all time. It of course is again the big adult swim hates anime viewers conspiracy.
Actually, Kim Manning said in an interview that they knew Paranoia Agent wouldn't do well. They only put it on because they like the show.
Paranoia Agent was bought in for no other reason than to fail. And fail mightily it did.
Conspiracy theories are stupid. AS put PA on because they needed a show and PA was brilliant, by a proven director with theatrical releases in the US under his belt, and it was probably cheap because Geneon wanted people to buy the DVDs. That's all. I honestly can't believe people really think programmers ever put something on the air with the goal of failure.
Oh, and I'll concede it's possible to have problems with Paranoia Agent as a show. But from an artistic standpoint it's the most sophisticated cartoon on Adult Swim. That is reason alone to give it a chance.
And to everyone who's condemning Crayon Shin-chan for being too Japanese-- you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Shin-chan has loads of visual gags, jokes about family relationships, little kid dream sequences, and yes, very funny bits about poop and genitals. All these things are not "too Japanese." In fact they're all pretty much standard fare on AS comedy's American shows.
I'm not some kind of huge Shin-chan fan. It's not the next Monty Python or anything. It's just a little, mildly amusing show (much like most of Adult Swim). But you're a textbook example of the ugly American if you're giving up on a show like this one, one very close to American animated sitcoms in sensibility, just because it's Japanese. You disliked some Japanese TV shows. If you're going to generalize from that you live in a very closed-minded world.
And people seem to have forgotten that this is a "test run." Probably just one or two episodes and that's it. It's not like every Sunday from now on you're going to have to risk getting Japanese cooties for a half hour.
KuwabaraTheMan
07-24-2006, 12:18 PM
Conspiracy theories are stupid. AS put PA on because they needed a show and PA was brilliant, by a proven director with theatrical releases in the US under his belt, and it was probably cheap because Geneon wanted people to buy the DVDs. That's all. I honestly can't believe people really think programmers ever put something on the air with the goal of failure.
No, they've actually said they knew Paranoia Agent would fail, but played it anyways because they liked the show.
It doesn't really have anything to do with the shows quality(which is excellent).
No, they've actually said they knew Paranoia Agent would fail, but played it anyways because they liked the show.
It doesn't really have anything to do with the shows quality.
That's my point. I think the show is boring, but it's not about the quality, or he said/she said. As far as ratings potential, PA's was low and Adult Swim knew it. Airing it despite that when ASA needed better ratings was too great a risk.
Ykwia
07-24-2006, 02:13 PM
Another Anime Comedy, I thought they were over it when they brought in Super Milk-Chan, This will be the same plot with diffrent jokes, I'm one of the few who watched Super Milk-Chan, It was boring and pathetic.
Andrew T. Hingson
07-24-2006, 02:19 PM
300,000 18-34 year olds. I'm sure a helluva lot more 6-17 year olds are watching AS anime.
Well sure but to AS those ratings mean jack squat so it's a moot point.
Well sure but to AS those ratings mean jack squat so it's a moot point.
Well, if you're going to use the "300,000 out of 89 million" arguement, you need to take out every single person under the age of 18.
livingfruitvirus
07-24-2006, 03:19 PM
So, was it funny?
I think it's safe to say the ADR script writer (who is unknown at this point) took some liberties with the original script to make it more adult. I doubt John "Ask John" Oppliger will like it.
Space Cadet
07-24-2006, 03:23 PM
I think it's safe to say the ADR script writer (who is unknown at this point) took some liberties with the original script to make it more adult. I doubt John "Ask John" Oppliger will like it.
You mean "Lupin"-like liberties?
livingfruitvirus
07-24-2006, 03:27 PM
You mean "Lupin"-like liberties?
If this were a chart, it would probably look like this. The * represents CSC.
[---Lupin--------*-Super Milk Chan----------Duel Masters----]
I doubt John "Ask John" Oppliger will like it.
Errr, he hates any dubs. Cept ones done for AN Entertainment of course.
livingfruitvirus
07-24-2006, 03:46 PM
Errr, he hates any dubs. Cept ones done for AN Entertainment of course.
But moreso he hates dubs that throw out more faithful adaptations and toss in lines like "Do you know how many crackwhores that could buy?"
jbanks97
07-24-2006, 05:54 PM
Actually, Kim Manning said in an interview that they knew Paranoia Agent wouldn't do well. They only put it on because they like the show.
I think in the interview she was just playing the role of the cynical television executive who knows something weird but good had less of a chance at catching an audience. It was AS's first horror/crazy person show, it had none of the violence the typical anime viewer craves, and on top of the normal cultural differences that turn off a non-anime fan it had *gasp* subtitles. In retrospect maybe it was a poor decision to air it at 12:30 following champloo. Maybe they could have sold it to the viewer better than the 1 promo they made (and yes this is my first post *****ing about promotion). I just feel that Kim would never have given this show a shot, regardless of all the strikes against it, if she felt there was absolutely no chance for Paranoia Agent to succeed.
Kudos to AS for taking a chance on something different. Some of the most beloved TV shows would never have gotten made if a network exec was like "wtf 4 people talking about nothing???" "the family has a bigot as the main character???" "they want to remake a crappy 1992 movie about high school and vampires into a tv show???". That's way too weird to find an audience
The Myst
07-24-2006, 06:30 PM
You mean "Lupin"-like liberties?
Lupin didn't take any liberties. The dub stuck true to the original. It just had some American pop culture references thrown in, some of which, like the Kansas reference, made sense considering the time frame. The only bad ones were recent ones like Regis Philbin references. But still, there weren't many "liberties" taken. It just had a couple cultural references and more swearing.
KuwabaraTheMan
07-24-2006, 09:36 PM
The mentions of Shaq and the Simpsons kind of stick out.
Particularly Shaq since that's already dating the dub.
Zyzzybalubah
07-24-2006, 11:55 PM
The mentions of Shaq and the Simpsons kind of stick out.
Particularly Shaq since that's already dating the dub.
Yeah, I can not stand dubs that do references like that! There are a few exceptions such as FLCL replacing whatever that Japanese unsucessful sodawas with Crystal Pepsi to help people better understand a joke. If it's just to "be cool" by mentioning "The Simpsons," "Nick at Nite," "Shaq," or "Britney Spears" (Those Who Hunt Elves did that), then it's real lame.
I didn't see the Americanized Milk-chan dub, but I completely did not get the humor of the Japanese dub. It was a horrible idea to air it on a Sunday "mainstream" timeslot. I hope this show will be a Japanese comedy that everyone can get or Funi could at least improve the humor so an American audience can better understand it, but hopefully not go crazy and make it a pop-culture-a-thon like some other dubbers have done.
On the other hand, I liked how The Ping Pong Club had a disease called "Frank Sinatra" in both the American and Japanese versions. :)
Karl Olson
07-25-2006, 02:08 AM
So, was it funny?
I thought it was hilarious, and the room was laughing along with me. Yeah, they took some liberties with the dub, but I think it'll work to their favor - it's like the liberties in Desert Punk - same intent, just making sense to a US audience. I'll be straight - it stands a better chance than a lot of other comedy anime that are way too otakucentric too work. Shin-chan can atleast be massaged into our culture context and still be funny and still be true to the intent.
Besides, the elitist otaku will get their hyper-accurate subs as par usual from Funimation anyway, so it's not like they're be left out to dry either.
/And though I love GSG, so much that I dropped 40 on a Henreitta figure from AAAnime at Comic Con, I know that it's more of a risk than Shin-chan - way too unsettling for a lot of anime fans, let alone the average joe. If people are going off about how lolicon it seemed on the Anime Forum here at Toon Zone, do you honestly think AS is going to touch it? No. I'm even surprised IFC grabbed it, but it is a good show, if you're not just knee-jerk writing it off, so I guess IFC watched the whole thing before making a decision.
Zach Logan
07-25-2006, 05:37 PM
While here, in Spain, I noticed this show around quite a bit, actually. It was on on both CN and other channels...somehow. They always get foreign cartoons first.
kempobot
07-25-2006, 08:14 PM
The Simpsons is extremely popular in Japan and that show is chalked full of American cultural references
my friend recently went to japan and said that simpsons stuff (show/toys etc.) was nowhere to be found...
my friend recently went to japan and said that simpsons stuff (show/toys etc.) was nowhere to be found...
Your friend may not be able to find them, but The Simpsons are (or were up until at least 2 years ago) EXTREMELY popular. If the show actually counted in the weekly top anime ratings (I think it airs in a different spot and on a different channel than Naruto, Pokémon, One Piece, etc.), it'd be a consistent Top 10 show.
The Simpsons, PPG, and Marvel shows are big hits in Japan.
v1cious
07-25-2006, 10:40 PM
I haven't seen any suggestions around here of shows that are more likely to succeed. When people make suggestions they are usual otaku-oriented shows that have little if any appeal for the mainstream audience.
i think Basilisk and Gunslinger Girl would reach a lot more mainstream audience than this. trust me.
i think Basilisk and Gunslinger Girl would reach a lot more mainstream audience than this. trust me.
Basilisk, maybe. GSG...I dunno. MAYBE if they re-work FUNi's trailer, though I bet a lot of people will just turn it off after the first episode (as the first two really aren't all that great).
Space Cadet
07-25-2006, 10:49 PM
I still think Berserk and Ranma would do fine on AS.
v1cious
07-25-2006, 11:14 PM
I still think Berserk and Ranma would do fine on AS.
i know you're trying to be a smartass, but the fact remains there's nothing in either of these shows that would've kept them off the network, except for maybe the general message of Gunslinger Girl. in any case, that boat has sailed.
they're shooting themselves in the foot with this move. there's a ton of series they could have gotten. i mean they could've gotten something like Noir or Excel Saga from their connections with ADV or Mai Hime, Escflowne, etc. they had a million opportunities, and this is what they came up with.
Space Cadet
07-25-2006, 11:23 PM
i know you're trying to be a smartass, but the fact remains there's nothing in either of these shows that would've kept them off the network, except for maybe the general message of Gunslinger Girl. in any case, that boat has sailed.
Actually, my post was my preference of what I think should come to AS. It had nothing to do with if Gunslinger Girl was appropriate for the network.
Master Moron
07-26-2006, 01:37 AM
i know you're trying to be a smartass, but the fact remains there's nothing in either of these shows that would've kept them off the network, except for maybe the general message of Gunslinger Girl. in any case, that boat has sailed.
they're shooting themselves in the foot with this move. there's a ton of series they could have gotten. i mean they could've gotten something like Noir or Excel Saga from their connections with ADV or Mai Hime, Escflowne, etc. they had a million opportunities, and this what they came up with.
I always found Noir extremely odd in that people get shot and stabbed in every episode yet they never bleed. If they aired that on Adult Swim people would think it's edited even if it's not. We'd see tons of posts saying stuff like "So, she stabbed him and he dies without bleeding? That's the worst edit I've seen since the disco gun."
they're shooting themselves in the foot with this move. there's a ton of series they could have gotten. i mean they could've gotten something like Noir or Excel Saga from their connections with ADV or Mai Hime, Escflowne, etc. they had a million opportunities, and this is what they came up with.
OK, everyone listen up since obviously very few of you, v1cious especially, actually READ the original article.
This is a TEST RUN.
This show is not acquired for a long, or probably even a short, run. It is a TEST. Showing it will not prevent AS from buying anything else they want.
And Noir is a terrible idea for the same reasons Witch Hunter Robin and Wolf's Rain were terrible ideas.
It's still money from the annual budget plunked down on a show that has zero chance of success.
It's still money from the annual budget plunked down on a show that has zero chance of success.
I'd love to hear how you know that. Because no one on the news team has heard anything about how much money AS spent or even if they spent money at all on this. You obviously have a fantastic inside source.
Karl Olson
07-27-2006, 01:54 PM
I'd also like to know where you saw the new dub, Beatdigga, because I'm pretty sure it's only been screened at comic con and as far as I know you weren't there, and thus I'm not really sure you can make an accurate assessment of the likelyhood of success.
Meanwhile, allow me to echo the sentiments that Ben put forth on Noir, and I'll entend that to most of what I've seen suggested by this board as more likely to be successful would in fact do poorly because it's vastly too niche or otakucentric and no one other than most hardcore otaku/animation fans would enjoy it. The average person just isn't going to buy into Gunslinger Girl, Noir, Madlax, Full Metal Panic, every harem anime that regularly suggested on this board, any super robot show, anything simulateously excessively obtuse and slow and pretty much anything that isn't atleast vaguely pushing things forward that are actually be accessible and interesting to the average joe, especially given adult swim's goals. Anything short of excellent, energetic and accessible is going to flop at this point. To put it another way, hardcore otaku (myself included) aren't the baseline, aren't the average and aren't emblematic of what would actually get ratings on air, so just because one of us likes something doesn't mean anyone else is going to give a care about it.
Atleast Shin-Chan is bringing localized, actually funny comedy in the mix, and that's much easier to get into than a mech series with more terminology than a comp-sci course and more existentialist angst than a novel by Goethe, or a harem anime that's more insultingly pandertastic than a Hooter's restaurant and more contrived than any US sitcom, or a super robot series that even inside of Japan is viewed as something either for small children, for hyper-otaku or both at best.
/Sorry if I'm coming of raw, but I had to just cut loose on this. I'm not gonna say anything more on it either.
Andrew T. Hingson
07-27-2006, 02:36 PM
I appreciate Adult Swim trying some interesting stuff and since this is a test run it shouldn't be that big of a deal unless it does great and if it does do great then hey... a well performing anime is always welcome.
Paranoia Agent is a great show that I wish got more respect but it's true AS put it on just because they liked it and they probably negotiated some things with Geneon as well. When talking to the Geneon rep at Sakura Con this year he told me Paranoia Agent wasn't selling very well (but Champloo was their #1 seller at the time). A pitty for Paranoia. I will greatly respect Adult Swim for airing it. Even so it may not have been the best idea.
There's a lot of anime I've felt were great for Adult Swim. Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Fullmetal Alchemist, Outlaw Star (yes indeed I do), Tenchi Muyo, Lupin the 3rd, The Big O (yeah I think it fits), Paranoia Agent (doomed to failure but still the kind of show adults should get to see on occasion at least), FLCL and to extents Evangelion and Eureka seveN. I'd really like them to try Hellsing some day but like EVA it probably wont come until it's long overdue if it ever does.
s-CRY-ed was never my thing. It could easily be a Toonamni show but Toonami turned it down. I consider it nothing more than filler. But it wasn't awful. The awful shows to grace AS were Reign, Milk Chan and Wolf's Rain IMO. I could actually enjoy WHR sometimes.
Inuyasha isn't going anywhere and it'd be pointless to move it now anyway but Bleach... well you know how I feel about Bleach. And I'll never forgive them for treating Detective Conan poorly. And it's treatment makes me weary of any shonen airing on that block. I mean CN can show PG now so there's very few shonen that would require a slot on AS to air. But Adult Swim still gets shonen and then proceeds to waste them. Toonami would treat them like gold editing or not. For goodness sakes Bo-Bobo gets as good total viewership on Toonami as Inuyasha does on Adult Swim and that's Adult Swim's highest performing anime (at least with all viewers maybe not with 18-34). One Piece does even better and Naruto just kills the rest. Some of that has to do with the appeal of shows but Inuyasha I would say has about as much as appeal as Naruto and One Piece in the grand scheme of things... or at least the internet would tell you as much. Much less the official AS boards. So putting a shonen on AS that could air on CN just seems like throwing it to the dogs to me.
All the "uncutness" in the world doesn't keep Adult Swim from treating anime poorly in my book. Sure they throw on some great stuff often enough but also often enough they doom them to fail by bad scheduling and under promoting. If they would just leave things alone for a while I think they could build an audience for once but that's just not how they do things. And as an older animation fan and not just as an anime fan I'm sick of Adult Swim toying with it's audience. They've got an ego problem and these days their content is getting the ratings worthy enough for them to consider themselves hot stuff. But they still do and I'm sick of it. They need a slice of humble pie and they really need to stop giving crap to the anime fans. We are watching, it's the general audience they need to try to attract with their anime. Maybe CSC will work to that advantage. We can hope as much. But come on people do you really think it will succeed?
Space Cadet
07-27-2006, 02:50 PM
I'd really like them to try Hellsing some day but like EVA it probably wont come until it's long overdue if it ever does.
Well, maybe not the TV series, but hopefully the OVA's might air on AS.
Inuyasha isn't going anywhere and it'd be pointless to move it now anyway but Bleach... well you know how I feel about Bleach. And I'll never forgive them for treating Detective Conan poorly. And it's treatment makes me weary of any shonen airing on that block. I mean CN can show PG now so there's very few shonen that would require a slot on AS to air. But Adult Swim still gets shonen and then proceeds to waste them. Toonami would treat them like gold editing or not. For goodness sakes Bo-Bobo gets as good total viewership on Toonami as Inuyasha does on Adult Swim and that's Adult Swim's highest performing anime (at least with all viewers maybe not with 18-34). One Piece does even better and Naruto just kills the rest. Some of that has to do with the appeal of shows but Inuyasha I would say has about as much as appeal as Naruto and One Piece in the grand scheme of things... or at least the internet would tell you as much. Much less the official AS boards. So putting a shonen on AS that could air on CN just seems like throwing it to the dogs to me.
Well, it's not like they didn't try to put it on Toonami. Remember in an interview with Sean Akins a while back, he tried to convince the BS&P about the arrow scene in the first episode of Inuyasha, but to no avail. Of course, things have changed and looking at Naruto, the arrow impailment scene could get through. But at this point, Inuyasha is almost done on AS, and moving to to Toonami would be a waste. That and I'm sure they don't want to do more editing to the show.
But come on people do you really think it will succeed?
Well, you'll never know until they show it right?
Andrew T. Hingson
07-27-2006, 06:05 PM
Sometimes you do.
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