Goodbye, Late Night Black & White [Archive]

Jack

01-15-2002, 12:52 PM

Maybe the ratings of LNB&W were slipping. It isn't like they've introduced anything new. If they had brought Bosko, Buddy, all the B&W WB cartoons they don't have, as well as the public domain B&W/silent cartoons they have (I know they at least have a copy of "Gertie the Dinosaur" they ran it in a "Greatest Cartoons" marathon, once), then it would be better.

CN has the rights to much great B&W programming, they are crazy for not getting ahold of it and keeping Late Nite Black and White.

I'll miss it, I'd rather have LNB&W than the edited-cartoon-Jones and Avery shows.

Jack :D

Brian Cruz

01-15-2002, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by DarthGonzo
The 1:30am Tom and Jerry slot isnt going anywhere is it? I'm sure that brings in some of the highest rating of the night for CN, thanks to all the Mammy showings.

It's toast. Saturday night will be all-anime starting Feb. 23. Take a look:

http://www.toonzone.net/shows/cnschedules/2002-02-23.html

Thad Komorowski

01-15-2002, 02:03 PM

DARN ANIME!

Man how I hate that crap, all that stuff is is fighting, blood, people yelling at each other, and women with guns....

-Thad:mad:

Argus Sventon

01-15-2002, 03:14 PM

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Anime is getting.....

OUTTA CONTROL!!!!!

The Dork Knight

01-15-2002, 04:25 PM

Oh well. Frankly LNB&W has been pretty bad recently. Too bad. Wish you guys would stop dissin' anime though.

- Foley Is Good

Nelson

01-15-2002, 04:46 PM

I personally think this sucks :mad: :mad: :mad:
It's clearly one of the best shows on Cartoon Network and why would they take it off their roster??? It dosen't make sense to me at all.

Jon Cooke

01-15-2002, 05:05 PM

This really stinks. I hope LNB&W will return someday. I guess an entire night of headache-inducing anime brings in higher ratings than Porky, Popeye, and Betty. :( :( :(

-Jon

Cartman

01-15-2002, 05:15 PM

To be honest, I really don't believe that LNB&W has shown anything good lately. I mean, they're not going to show any Bosko or Buddy cartoons anytime soon (I'm sure they would have done it by now if they were). Anime, on the other hand, is shown way too often on CN. In my opinion, Anime is nothing but crap.

Matthew Hunter

01-15-2002, 05:19 PM

Man! That stinks worse than Pepe Le Pew in a limburger cheese factory! I loved Late Night Black and White! Seriously, though, the show was getting old. I was lucky to get some great black and white cartoons from there, but they rerun them all the time. What they should have done is dug up some old public domain black and white cartoons, from other studios, and gotten some Bosko and/or Buddy cartoons.
-Matthew

John Doe

01-15-2002, 05:19 PM

Which B&W Looney Tunes, Merrie Melodies and Popeye have never aired on LNB&W?

What'd I like to see the most are:
Porky's Romance (uncut)
Wholly Smoke (uncut)
The Daffy Doc
Kristopher Kolumbus, Jr.
Africa Squeaks (uncut)
The Haunted Mouse
Joe Glow, The Firefly
Porky's Bear Facts
Porky's Preview (uncut)
Porky's Ant
Robinson Crusoe, Jr.
Porky's Midnight Matinee
Saps in Chaps
Daffy's Southern Exposure
The Daffy Duckaroo

If there were enough shows, perhaps CN should consider airing all of them (probably except Bosko, Tokio Jokio and a couple others I can't think of now) right through the finale. An expanded show or 2 + a special all-nighter wouldn't hurt, either. :D

Jon Cooke

01-15-2002, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by John Doe
Which B&W Looney Tunes, Merrie Melodies and Popeye have never aired on LNB&W?

WB:
"You Don't Know What You're Doin'"
"Lady, Play Your Mandolin"
"Pagan Moon"
"Red-Headed Baby"
"Hittin' the Trail to Hallelujah Land"
All Bosko
All Buddy
All non-Harman & Ising B&W Merrie Melodies
All Beans (except "Alpine Antics", "Boom Boom", & "Golddiggers of '49")
"Milk & Money" (only aired once and never repeated) :mad:
"Porky the Wrestler"
"Porky's Romance" (aired in B&W on a late-night Bugs & Daffy, but never on LNB&W)
"Rover's Rival"
"Porky's Phoney Express"
"Porky and Daffy"
"Wholley Smoke"
"The Daffy Doc"
"Kristopher Kolumbus Jr."
"The Haunted Mouse"
"Joe Glow the Firefly"
"Porky's Bear Facts"
"Porky's Preview"
"Porky's Ant"
"The Henpecked Duck"
"Robinson Crusoe Jr."
"Porky's Midnight Matinee"
"Porky's Pastry Pirates"
"Who's Who in the Zoo?"
"Saps in Chaps"
"Daffy's Southern Exposure"
"Hobby Horse Laffs"
"The Ducktators"
"The Impatient Patient"
"The Daffy Duckaroo"
"Confusions of a Nutzy Spy"
"Hop & Go"
"Tokio Jokio"
"Scrap Happy Daffy" (poor B&W print shown on wartime Toonheads, but not on LNB&W)
"Puss 'N Booty" (aired in B&W recently on Toonheads: Tish Tash)
"Africa Squeaks"

Popeye:
"Happy Birthdaze"
"Ration Fer the Duration"
"Scrap the Japs"
"Seein' Red, White, an' Blue"
"You're a Sap, Mr. Jap"
"Spinach For Britain"

All Max Fleischer Popeye cartoons have aired.

I think that's everything...

-Jon

Tintin

01-15-2002, 05:42 PM

Hey, the weekend 23-24 was supposed the Looney Tunes Marathon of A to Z. Gosh!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Mike

01-15-2002, 06:01 PM

My first reaction was, too, that of shock and dismay (kinda like earlier this afternoon when I heard the Braves traded for Gary Sheffield), but then I thought for a sec, and Brian was right. The show's gotten rather dull as of late, with the same cartoons repeated over and over and over. They won't show Bosko and Buddy (mainly because they don't have them, and apparently don't want to ask Warner's for them), they show no one-shot LTs, and apparently AMC has the Betty Boop cartoons under lock and key, which limits CN to only the PD Bettys.

But when Jon just posted that list of all the Porkys LNB&W never aired, I was truly shocked. So many innocent titles, like Daffy Doc, Impatient Patient, and Henpecked Duck, never aired!

Still, even though the show got boring and predictable in recent months, I'm sad to see it go. It's like the old saying, half a loaf is better than none.....

Mike
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Pilmedium

01-15-2002, 06:11 PM

No good cartoons on Late Night Black and White?!? They aired "Injun Trouble" in November 2001, and I have seen many rare cartoons on it since late 2000. Also, that was the only place to get B&W copies of many cartoons. It will be missed.

Sunday's Tom and Jerry, Droopy, and Late Night Black and White are going to leave. The Droopy Show cartoons should air on the Acme Hour.
Wait a minute... I had better watch "The Mammy Show" (I forget who made that up)

The Tex Avery and Chuck Jones shows returning is the only good thing that they are doing.

I never did care for anime.

PorkyandDaffy

01-15-2002, 06:42 PM

@#$@#%#%#$^$!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Really, it should've been Droopy. Nothing exciting comes on that show. At least LNB&W shows rare goodies every now and then.

Jon Cooke

01-15-2002, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by PorkyandDaffy
@#$@#%#%#$^$!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Really, it should've been Droopy. Nothing exciting comes on that show. At least LNB&W shows rare goodies every now and then.

Well, the Droopy show is done for too. So are the Acme Hour (10pm) and Tom & Jerry (1:30am). Toonami-type action shows are taking over. And, as Cartoon Man noted, it looks like the plug has been pulled on the "Looney Tunes A to Z" 48-hour marathon too.

-Jon

PorkyandDaffy

01-15-2002, 07:12 PM

CN just keeps getting worse and worse.

Thad Komorowski

01-15-2002, 07:25 PM

Well, its official. With LNB&W being terminated, I am NOT watching, nor taping (except for Popeye programs) a single thing on CN, unless I want to. Without LNB&W, CN is just rerun central to me.

-Thad

Joe Tully

01-15-2002, 08:05 PM

I'm also hoping they'll bring it back someday, though that probably won't be anytime soon. I wish they'd just move it to another night.

Too bad we're losing the 1:30 T&J slot too, that was the only T&J show worth watching.

Man, they really are killing off the classic stuff all of a sudden. :( I don't think that many people will be cheering for the return of the Tex Avery & Chuck Jones shows. Those weren't hardly even worth watching.

Matthew Hunter

01-15-2002, 08:28 PM

Whoa, they're getting rid of the weekend Acme Hour and the Looney Tunes marathon too?! What a bummer! I was looking forward to that marathon...and now there will be nothing worth watching on Saturday evenings anymore. I don't LIKE the anime shows. I know, it sounds like I'm whining. I AM whining. Oh well, at least they're not axing the Looney Tunes on weekend mornings and weekday afternoons....are they?
-Matthew

J Lee

01-15-2002, 08:43 PM

As I said in an earlier post, to me it seems as if the suits at AOL Time Warner are gearing up to try and force more cable systems to clear Boomerang by moving more and more cartoons -- including the Looney Tunes -- to that network in the future.

Demographcially, CN would become the network targeted towards viewers ages 3-25 (at least in their thinking) with their Cartoon Cartoon shows and the increasing emphasis on violent Japanese Anime (I can just picture some consultant right now explaining how much the 12-18 male demographic loves this kind of stuff), while Boomerang would be more directed at an older demographic (which to an extent it already is anyway). That way the two networks wouldn't canabalize each others ratings, and just as importantly, both networks would have shows that their main two competitors, Disney and Viacom (Nick) don't deal with (Nickelodeon and the Disney Channel go for a youinger demo, while Toon Disney tries to hit the same age groups as CN, but has nothing in the way of Anime programming or any real adventure series outside of "Gargoyles").

Personally, I'm hoping the expanded Anime attempt falls flat on its face, but if AOL Time Warner is hell-bent on forcing more systems to clear Boomerang, even if it does fail, that doesn't mean we won't be seeing "Ed, Edd and Eddy" overnight marathons in the near future...

Pietro

01-15-2002, 09:41 PM

THIS STINKS!:mad:

My all-time favorite show on CN is being canceled!
This is a very unwise move on CN's part, if only they would put more rare surprises on the show the ratings would stay up.
Wait! I've got a plan, maybe if we all keep on watching LNB&W it won't get canned......or is it already getting the butcher's knife?:eek:

-Pietro:D

DarthGonzo

01-15-2002, 09:53 PM

CN is cancelling all of it's late night Saturday/Sunday cartoons starting next month? ARE THEY NUTS! The only reason I've even been caring about the network lately has been because of the late night Tom and Jerry showings on Saturdays. I am SICK AND TIRED of Cartoon Cartoon shows. It's the same stuff over and over and over again. This stuff is shown all day Saturday and Sunday anyway thanks to Cartoon Oleo and marathon showings. Even Cartoon Cartoon Fridays have been extended to the wee hours of the morning. The network is now all Dexter, Powerpuffs and the like. I'm tried of it, to be totally honest. I guess I know now why CN started airing rare Tom and Jerrys all of a sudden. They're giving us the rare stuff for three months and then ripping it away from us. Say goodbye to Mammy Two-Shoes for a while. If you guys still need Push Button Kitty and Triplet Trouble I'm sure they'll air Saturday night. Hopefully some really good Tom and Jerry videos or DVDs with rare cartoons are forthcoming.

Nelson

01-15-2002, 10:03 PM

BOY! Cartoon Network really sucks BIG TIME!!!!!!!

Jon Cooke

01-15-2002, 10:47 PM

I merged Gonzo's post into this thread, I thought it would fit in nicely.

Unfortunately, Pietro, the end of LNB&W is official. About the only thing we can do is hope it's just temporary.

Enjoy it while it lasts... :(

-Jon

Billy

01-16-2002, 12:35 AM

We don't have any of that in the UK. For a loooooong time late night's been-

1.00 Ed,Edd and Eddy
1.30 Powerpuff Girls
2.00 Magic Roundabout (3 hours)
5.00 Fly Tales
5.30 The Moomins
6.00 Another Cartoon Cartoon.

I wonder if we'll ever get LN&BW in the UK? Last saturday 'The Chuck Jones Show' premiered on Boomerang UK,so we might get it soon.

Bobby B

01-16-2002, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by Jon Cooke
Popeye:
"Happy Birthdaze"
"Ration Fer the Duration"
"Scrap the Japs"
"Seein' Red, White, an' Blue"
"You're a Sap, Mr. Jap"
"Spinach For Britain"

"Ration fer the Duration" did air back when LNB&W aired on weeknights. In fact, they overplayed it and other longer Popeyes like "Goonland" and "I Yam Love Sick".

chuckamuck43

01-16-2002, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by DarthGonzo
...Hopefully some really good Tom and Jerry videos or DVDs with rare cartoons are forthcoming.

Have you forgotten that they edited the Mammy cartoon on the Tom & Jerry DVD?

laugh4me

01-16-2002, 09:50 AM

More anime... more CartoonCartoon... fewer classic cartoons...

What's wrong with these guys?

Sheeesh!!

I hope we still have GAK's new Toonheads coming... :rolleyes:

lislebartman

01-16-2002, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Foley Is Good
Wish you guys would stop dissin' anime though.

- Foley Is Good

C'mon! Anime sucks! All the characters have those stupid big eyes and the soundtracks are badly dubbed with American language. Personally, I think Anime is a waste of time...!

chuckamuck43

01-16-2002, 01:38 PM

ANIME?

We have the last laugh here ,'cause CN has to really edit the crap out of that stuff!

Thad Komorowski

01-16-2002, 02:51 PM

Man, why did CN pick up Anime any way? I hate any animated TV show from Japan.

-Thad

Jack

01-16-2002, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Thad K
Man, why did CN pick up Anime any way? I hate any animated TV show from Japan.
anime=ratings=sponsors=lots of money

Granted, Bugs and Daffy get a lot of ratings, but they are probably looking at this as a way to diversify and expand their audience. They probably figured "Well, we can't cut back on Scooby Doo, or the Cartoon Cartoons, OR the regular daily showings of color Looney Tunes/Tom and Jerry etc, so let's cut out the black and white cartoons! Everyone knows kids can't stand B&W! And since we are returning the Tex Avery Show, then we don't need Droopy either."

Jack :(

DarthGonzo

01-16-2002, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Jack

anime=ratings=sponsors=lots of money

Granted, Bugs and Daffy get a lot of ratings, but they are probably looking at this as a way to diversify and expand their audience. They probably figured "Well, we can't cut back on Scooby Doo, or the Cartoon Cartoons, OR the regular daily showings of color Looney Tunes/Tom and Jerry etc, so let's cut out the black and white cartoons! Everyone knows kids can't stand B&W! And since we are returning the Tex Avery Show, then we don't need Droopy either."

Jack :(

Ok, so explain why we're losing the only Tom and Jerry slot that's even worth checking out every week. That's at least 16 cartoons that will go back in CN's vaults to be seen only when the 2pm and 11:30pm airings are cancelled. And just think, starting the middle of next week all the Tom and Jerry showings will be the Deitch and Jones cartoons shown in order. BOOO!!!!

Howard

01-16-2002, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by DarthGonzo

And just think, starting the middle of next week all the Tom and Jerry showings will be the Deitch and Jones cartoons shown in order. BOOO!!!!
BOO? I like those films.

BobChief

01-17-2002, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by Brian Cruz
If you take a look at the updated Cartoon Network Schedule (http://www.toonzone.net/shows/cnschedules/), you'll see that LNB&W will disappear at the end of February.

We all saw this months ago when CN trumpeted its zillion-dollar commitment to even more original productions in the summer of 2000(?).

Boomerang? I still think that can't work, as it doesn't fit in with the year-by-year format, unless you're thinking of the actual Bugs Bunny Shows of the period. I still go for putting them on TCM, which is already in front of plenty of folks both here and in Europe.

J Lee

01-17-2002, 07:00 PM

Boomerang? I still think that can't work, as it doesn't fit in with the year-by-year format, unless you're thinking of the actual Bugs Bunny Shows of the period.

Cartoon Network and its parent AOL Time Warner in the end don't give a damn about the format. What they're interested in it cable system clearnace rates, which in turn helps dictate the ad rates they can charge.

At the same time, CN looks at the success of something like The Powerpuff Girls, not just in terms of ratings but in terms of marketing clothing, cerials, lunchboxes, wash-off tatoos, etc., that they feel they can increase if they increase the airings on the network.

Bugs and Daffy? The suits are confident their merchandising sales will hold up even if they bump their cartoons off to weekend mornings and after prime time on weeknights, since the franchise is so strong. The animae stuff? Well, that has a Japanese pedigree, but if you looked at the marketing deal for something like Dragonball Z, I'm sure you would find AOL Time Warner getting a cut in there somewhere.

As for the Boomerang "format," it's written in the same stone that AMC wrote they would air movies without commercial interruptions. Remember, all of the Warner Bros. cartoons were removed from syndication, Nickelodeon and ABC in the first place to force not only viewers wanting to see Bugs, Daffy and the rest to watch Cartoon Network, but for cable systems not clearing it to add it to their lineup and for other systems that already had it to move it to a better spot in the lineup.

If the higher-ups at AOL Time Warner thought they could get decent ratings with a Cartoon Network that showed nothing by Cartoons-Cartoons, Toonami and Scooby Doo and if they thought moving all the classic Warners and MGM cartoons from CN to Boomerang would force more systems to add it to their lineup, they'd do it in a heartbeat.