"Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" Talkback (Spoilers) [Archive]

The Penguin

07-07-2006, 12:29 AM

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"You have a debt to pay. You owe Davy Jones your soul. That was the agreement. Time's up! You are a marked man, Jack Sparrow." - Davy JonesRelease Date: July 7, 2006
Studio: Walt Disney Pictures
Director: Gore Verbinski
Starring: Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom, Keira Knightley, Bill Nighy, Stellan Skarsgård, Jack Davenport, Kevin R. McNally, Naomie Harris, Jonathan Pryce, Mackenzie Crook, Tom Hollander, Lee Arenberg

Plot Summary: Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley reunite in Walt Disney Pictures', in association with Jerry Bruckheimer Films, "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest," an all new epic tale chronicling the further mis-adventures of Captain Jack Sparrow.

Produced by Jerry Bruckheimer and directed by Gore Verbinski from a screenplay written by Ted Elliott & Terry Rossio, Captain Jack sets sail on an all new adventure – filled with more intrigue, more spectacular special effects and more comedy – in July 2006.

Visit the official movie site here (http://pirates.movies.com/).

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We're past midnight and some people are watching the second Pirates of the Caribbean movie right now. Talk about it here!

Tanooki

07-07-2006, 04:11 AM

silverwings

07-07-2006, 07:16 AM

not to mention trying to contemplate why the monkey is still undead

Did you ever stay to the end of the credits at the theater of Black Peal? Because after the credits they show a scene of the monkey taking a piece of the treasure and running off in undead mode.

Batman91

07-07-2006, 03:06 PM

Saw it last night,and I was pretty suprised.

-The acting was great as in the first movie.
-The special effects were just Awesome.
-The writing was well done.
-The humor ws pretty darn funny,but it felt like they were trying too hard at times.
-And there were quite a few a suprises and twists which I thought were pretty cool.

Well thats my two cents on the "Dead Mans Chest",catch you guys later.

Riza Hawkeye

07-07-2006, 03:58 PM

I saw the midnight showing and was very pleased with it. There were a number of twists through out the movie that made it very entertaining. And the ending...I want to see the third movie. I even liked this one better than the first. For me, it was the most enjoyable movie I've been to this summer.

Rook

07-07-2006, 06:50 PM

Did you ever stay to the end of the credits at the theater of Black Peal? Because after the credits they show a scene of the monkey taking a piece of the treasure and running off in undead mode.
saw that part, probably explains why "He" came back.

This is the first time ive been to a movie with a ongoing plot at the end.

They should sell a dictionary or encyclopedia with the dvd. Half the jokes in there need translation.
Favorite parts is could remember 45 minutes after the movie:
All the scenes dealing with Jack trying to escape the natives
Three-way sword fight
Jack getting slimed by the Krakken
The return of Barbossa

Apparently this is a trilogy ending with "At World's End" 2007

Classic Speedy

07-07-2006, 07:25 PM

It's more of the same... which isn't necessarily a bad thing, because the film has great action scenes and an ending that I didn't see coming, honestly.

Two things that kept it from topping the original, though: First, the comic relief didn't seem as solid, and two, the film lacked the fun dynamic between the English guards and the pirates which the first film had, since in this film they are completely separate.

So yeah, it was good but I liked Pirates 1 better.

Lord Dalek

07-07-2006, 07:48 PM

Eh I found it a bit boring at points in the middle and the end. It's like all the excessive action sequences became buttnumbing as well as overkill.

Plus I could see Barbossa showing up at the end as soon as the two lackeys from POTC appeared.

Echidna

07-07-2006, 08:59 PM

When I saw it, it was too busy being excited and fangirly to criticise it in any way. XD; Had a a great time watching it, though I can't comment on the actual quality of the film!

Silly McGooses

07-07-2006, 09:13 PM

I enjoyed the first movie, and I thought this was an absolute--wait for it--SHIPWRECK.

Easily the worst movie I've seen this year, and I watched DaVinci Code. How could a movie in which absolutely nothing happens be so long? It's one, enormous Hollywood product filled with empty special effects that just go on and on and ON and ON AND ON AND ON.

I can name so few enjoyable things about this movie. Johnny Depp is probably one, and another is...um...well...Octopus Face was amusing for the first few minutes.

Leaping Larry Jojo

07-07-2006, 09:42 PM

Davy Jones looks like Dr Zoidberg.

Classic Speedy

07-07-2006, 09:52 PM

Davy Jones looks like Dr Zoidberg. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/speedyboris/zoidjones.jpg Separated at birth?

My favorite scene in the film was probably the escape from the tribe. It was hard to top that, with the rolling ball cage and the tribe throwing fruit at Jack to make him a shish kabob. :p Probably the biggest laugh of the movie for me was when Jack pole-vaulted onto the opposite cliff and then the fruit on his pole weighed him down so that he fell off anyway.

Tube Dude

07-07-2006, 09:55 PM

How could a movie in which absolutely nothing happens be so long? It's one, enormous Hollywood product filled with empty special effects that just go on and on and ON and ON AND ON AND ON.

Are you saying NOTHING happens in this movie? Which version did you see? Lots were going on especially in the action sequences (which were nicely done as well as the stunts). The movie was a bit long, but the fast pace and action as well as the story kept me up and entertained throughout the whole film.The comedy from Jack Sparrow and the rest of the film is hilarious, and there are some moments that scared me. My one confusion question is: If Jack Sparrow is in the next Pirates, how come he got swallowed by the squid?:confused:
Anyway, great film. Better than Superman. 10/10:)

Lord Dalek

07-07-2006, 10:00 PM

I think the one thing that seriously hurts the film is the lack of Geoffrey Rush in a major capacity. To me, he was the thing that made POTC1 work, not Johnny Depp.

Also there's that horrible feeling that it's trying to be the pirate movie equivalent of Wrath of Khan... which it fails miserably at.

Are you saying NOTHING happens in this movie? Which version did you see?
I believe he's referring to the utter lack of motivation for the advancement of the plot. Why does Jack flee to the native island? How does Elisabeth know where the Black Pearl is? What exactly does the heart do besides serve as a McGuffin? Etc. Etc.

I wouldn't say that the film is exactly about nothing but it sure as hell seems hell bent for us to either not know or care about what is going on. It's not like Black Pearl where the Aztec Gold seemed to serve a purpose and have actual dramatic weight. In Dead Man's Chest, it's like why are they bothering with something as pointless as this heart of a Squidman played by Slartibartfast.

PS: Am I reading into this too much because I'm sure as hell finding analyzing it more entertaining than most of the 3+ hours I spent watching it.

Rook

07-07-2006, 10:28 PM

psifreek28

07-07-2006, 10:31 PM

I believe he's referring to the utter lack of motivation for the advancement of the plot. Why does Jack flee to the native island? How does Elisabeth know where the Black Pearl is? What exactly does the heart do besides serve as a McGuffin? Etc. Etc.

I wouldn't say that the film is exactly about nothing but it sure as hell seems hell bent for us to either not know or care about what is going on. It's not like Black Pearl where the Aztec Gold seemed to serve a purpose and have actual dramatic weight. In Dead Man's Chest, it's like why are they bothering with something as pointless as this heart of a Squidman played by Slartibartfast.

PS: Am I reading into this too much because I'm sure as hell finding analyzing it more entertaining than most of the 3+ hours I spent watching it.

Okay this film is a huge middle section...most of what occurs throughout the film is because of what occurs at the beginning of the film.

Jack is running from Davey Jones...if he stays near shallow water and/or land, neither davey nor the kraken can get him...Im sure jack didnt know the native island was cannibalistic when he got on it, much like will didnt know when he found the pearl on it. Most of the film is a primarily jack running from jones to acquire his heart so that sparrow can use it as leverage to stop the kraken from hunting him.

Elizabeth didnt know where the Pearl was, but knew that the only free pirate friendly port was Tortuga. At tortuga she could ask about Jack and the pearl, the same way Will did earlier in the film...it just so happened jack was there when she arrived.

I can understand how some people will say "it went nowhere" but for me the plot they gave us was thrilling enough... "At worlds end" cant come any sooner.

silverwings

07-07-2006, 10:37 PM

Saw it and loved it. Can't wait to see it tomorrow! (yes I am going again!) :D

And the third movie can't come soon enough!

The theater I saw it in was packed and all the showings had been sold out, too.

Come on, any movie that references norse and greek mythology can't be bad. :anime:

Squall

07-08-2006, 05:23 AM

Loved it! Great writing, good special effects, really funny, and lots of action. And yes, Pirates of The Caribbean will be a trilogy! (I love trilogies.)

As far as the humor goes, I was sold when Jack shot the undead monkey in the cage at point-blank range, just to prove it was undead. :p

Like the first movie, though, I was surprised to see all the gouged out and dismembered body parts, since it's a Disney movie.

When does the Pirates of The Caribbean movies take place, anyway? Roughly speaking, that is. Late 1700's? Early 1800's?

the transformers teaser showed before it. everyone was clueless until they saw the tranformers logo. that's when everyone went crazy go nuts

For some reason, the theater I was in didn't show the teaser trailer for The Transformers live-action movie. I was VERY dissapointed! I really wanted to see the crowd of mostly 20-and-30-somethings go nuts, too.

Gatomon41

07-08-2006, 08:15 AM

Davy Jones looks like Dr Zoidberg.
I thought he looked familar, though Davie Jones looks more like Cthulhu.

Viewed it last night, I have to say it's $8 well spent. The action was amazing, the acting just as good as last time, and CAPTIAN Jack Sparrow does not disappoint, to the very end. better than the First one.

A few thoughts:

-Evil Croprorations exist, along with government backed troops, really high government connections, and really slimly people. It gave Priates an oddly Cyberpunk feel to the movie. It's like the East India Company is Weyland-Yutani, only with sailing ships. What next: British Marines battling aliens?

-The movie went on for so long. Went in at 9:30, and got out a Midnight. On the bright side, it was like watching 2 movies at once, and did not stink like most Bruckheimer productions.

-Hmm, me thinks "Dead Man's Chest" sghould had been called "The Dead Man Stikes Back" or "The Two Towers". The movie was diffinately darker and better than the first, but , well, now I can't wait to see what happens next. There's going to be high hopes for a good conclusion. Just hope Brukenheimer dosn't mess it up.

-Alot of scenes drag on, and several scenes seem like they could have been trimed down.

-Character Sheilded main cast. Redshirts ahoy.

-Humor was great, actions scenes well done. But I was distrubed by some of the really dark scenes, and the Father/Son plot really just complicates a already compliacted plot.

Overall, the movie was greatly Entertaining but could be shorter. 4 out of 5.

Silly McGooses

07-08-2006, 11:02 AM

Ishtar

07-08-2006, 12:59 PM

Saw it last afternoon. Overall it was good, but I sorta like the original movie better. I loved it how Commidore Norrington came back to join Jack's crew temperarily;and how him, Jack and Will get caught up in a Three-Man swordfight against each other. I saw that swordfight as a device so that Jones wouldn't die till the next movie. I was surprised to see that Captain Barbossa survived that shot from the last movie. The thing is technically Dead Man's Chest and At Worlds End are connected together as a two-part film. Curse Of The Black Pearl had a pretty resolved ending since the sequels weren't originally planned, but since the last 2 films were filmed back to back, they decided to have the 2nd movie end with a cliffhanger and a bunch of losse ends that would be resolved in the last movie.

Azrael24

07-08-2006, 03:47 PM

It was good but i think i needed to watch it again cuz everyone around me kept talkin and i cudn't pay any attention

poor will, does all that for elizabeth and now he thinx she went behind his back (which she kinda did)

The Clown Prince

07-08-2006, 04:31 PM

Dead Man's Chest set a new opening day record Friday! For Friday, which includes the midnight showings, it made an estimated $55.5 million!

The previous record holder was Star Wars: Episode 3-Revenge of the Sith which opened on a Thursday to $50 million.

The original Spider-Man which went on to capture the best opening weekend ever ($114.8 million) made $39.4 million on it's Friday. Spider-Man 2 made $40.4 million.

Dead Man's Chest could very well break Spider-Man's record this weekend.

The Clown Prince

Batmex

07-08-2006, 04:43 PM

Had to go to the 9:45 pm showing, all the early ones were sold out!

Great sequel, this movie had the entire crowd laughing outloud constantly, it's been a while since a movie made me laugh like that.

Poor Norrignton, he fell from grace hard, becoming nearly the opposite of what he was in the first movie.:sad:

The Clown Prince

07-08-2006, 07:09 PM

Well, it was a great film! Looking at yesterday's box office I can see as many predicted, lots of people came out to see it too.

I live in an area where there are a bunch of Regal Cinemas in pretty much close proximity to each other. The newest theater, which is a massive 18 screen complex with state of the art everything had the midnight showing. They had 8 auditoriums SOLD OUT for the midnight showing and they only had 5 prints. They had to connect the prints to run through at least three auditoriums to make it work. They had to make the film strips turn corners and go upstairs and the such to make it work. One of my friends who is an assistant manager at the Regal we went to told me that. And she only knew because her sister is an assistant manager at the 18 screen Regal. She said she had never seen anything like it, especially that many people coming out for a midnight showing.

As for the movie itself, it was a lot of fun with some neat twists, turns, and surprises. As with any Bruckheimer film, it had plenty of action. What more could you ask from a summer time film? The Barbossa surprise at the end I didn't see coming. I had heard rumors early on in filming that they were talking to Geoffery Rush to come back in the third, but no news website beyond that were able to confirm anything. So it was a nice surprise. And when going back and remembering the scene where Jack and crew visit the Voodoo Priestess for the first time, there was a shot of a pair of legs and boots lying on the floor. The monkey walked up to those legs...

Again, looking at how many people turned out Friday to see it and still will see it, I hope that the decision to take the story the way they did and the ending they chose doesn't come back to haunt them next May when At World's End opens. Audiences may feel upset by how they have to come back again to finish a story they started with Dead Man's Chest. It's ballsey and I like when studios take chances. With The Lord of the Rings and the Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions, most audiences knew those would be continuing stories. I know personally many people who didn't know of the third 'Pirates' film to come next year.

Despite what some may feel with the Matrix movies, at least the wait wasn't as bad between parts two and three. 6 months. But that's because part 3 was already finished. At World's End is only a third of the way filmed. They go back next month to finish filming the other 2/3's. With The Lord of the Rings movies we had a full 12 months between movies, even though most of the principal photography was finished for all three movies, Peter Jackson needed the whole year to do pick up shots and to complete all the CGI. So 10 months doesn't seem too bad of a time to wait.

Anyone stick around after the end credits to see the bonus scene? Poor dog. :p :( I hope he manages to get away and show up in the third movie in much the same way the monkey had his bonus scene and showed up undead in DMC when most audiences were probably going "what? Why is still undead?"

One last thing, the Voodoo Priestess. On top of her strong accent, and the combination of people talking, I missed most of her story of Davy Jones. Why was his heart in the chest? I thought it had to do with a love of his life or something like that. I gathered those were probably love letters in the chest with his heart.

The Clown Prince

Gokou Ruri

07-09-2006, 12:51 AM

The voodoo lady in the swamp totally gave me Monkey Island vibes. There's no way that wasn't intentional.

And Davy's heart was in the chest because he loved a woman who was like the sea, wild and untameable. To stop his painful feelings for her, he cut out his heart and put it in the chest. Who ever finds the chest can control Davy because if the heart is destroyed, so is he.

I loved the idea of Barbossa's two lackies and Norrington joining up with Jack's crew. I was a bit disappointed that by the end of the movie, um, they all went their "seperate ways" so to speak... I think it would have been fun to see them all stick together and go pirating. Jack, his enemy's two lackies, the man who tried to arrest him and lost every and turned to piracy, and Will and Beth all in the same ship and turning to crime... That would have been awesome if they all stuck together, but the ending was nice too...

Hades

07-09-2006, 02:16 AM

Darn, this movie was too short!! Regardless, it gets a perfect score!! Oh, and the soundtrack was just down right excellent!!

Next summer can't come fast enough. Especially since there is NOTHING coming out at all the rest of the summer, let alone the year.

BTW, two questions:

1. What other movies has the voodoo lady been in? She looks familiar.
2. When do we get a preview for the next one?

Punisher

07-09-2006, 02:55 AM

The one problem I have with this movie is that the back lashings seem to have had no effect on Will Turner. It seemed his back had been sliced in many places, but he doesn't act like it hurts at all. He's even able to swim a day after he recieved them, in salt water, which I would expect to hurt very much. Besides that, this was a worthy sequel and I look forward to the third one.

Squall

07-09-2006, 06:35 AM

BTW, two questions:

1. What other movies has the voodoo lady been in? She looks familiar.
2. When do we get a preview for the next one?

1. I believe she told Captain Picard that Dr. Soran would use a 24th Century WMD to destroy an entire solar system to get into the Nexus... Kidding, kidding! :p I think she also played the wife of the pilot of Morpheus's ship in the Matrix movies. I think.

2. I'd assume sometime around Christmas.

Cortez2301

07-09-2006, 07:25 AM

I'm going to see this movie on wednesday.Is it better than the first movie?
Can anyone recommend this movie to me?

Hades

07-09-2006, 08:12 AM

I'm going to see this movie on wednesday.Is it better than the first movie?
Can anyone recommend this movie to me?

I think the poll speaks for itself. I'd say this is the best movie of the year. Or at least tied with V for Vendetta.

As for comparing it to the first one, it almost beat out the original, but the original comes out on top by a small centimeter.

silverwings

07-09-2006, 09:36 AM

1. I believe she told Captain Picard that Dr. Soran would use a 24th Century WMD to destroy an entire solar system to get into the Nexus... Kidding, kidding! :p I think she also played the wife of the pilot of Morpheus's ship in the Matrix movies. I think.

2. I'd assume sometime around Christmas.

In regards to 2, it'll come out next summer. The plan WAS to do a 6 month thing (like matrix 2&3) but due to all the delays and weather problems (re: hurricanes), they've only shot about 40-50% of movie 3. Hence, it'll come out NEXT summer.

So, a year, basically. But hey, we did it for LOTRs, twice, I think we can wait for it here. :anime:

Drachentöter

07-09-2006, 11:42 AM

I didn't like it so much.

This movie tried to be Empire Strikes Back and really ended up being more like Matix Reloaded. Except I LIKED Matrix Reloaded because it had fun action and, to me, a motivated plot that actually moved characters along the story. This movie had fun action, but it was amid a lot of muddlement and had no sense of direction.

The key issue was pacing. While the ending caught me completely off guard, it did feel like it was getting overlong with no payoff. And that was basically what the ending delivered. Nothing got resolved. Not the love story, not Jack Sparrow, not Davy Jones' heart, not Lord Buckett and Norrington, not Boostrap Bill and Will's promise...nothing.

They could've condensed everything into one movie. But they wanted more money. This kind of formula works for a miniseries, maybe. Not for the theater. I wanted to walk out with some satisfaction and all I got was teased.

I thought the first one was overrated, but it was definitely better. It also suffered from pacing, but the ending made up for everything.

Lord Dalek

07-09-2006, 12:31 PM

The voodoo lady in the swamp totally gave me Monkey Island vibes. There's no way that wasn't intentional.
Glad to hear someone caught that too. The Monkey Island games (Particularly II) were guilty of ripping off the POTC ride and now the POTC movies are ripping off the Monkey Island games. COINCENDENCE???

Daredevil_2003

07-09-2006, 12:41 PM

Saw it on Friday night, really liked it. I honestly dont have a complaint about it. I wouldn't say it's better than the first one but they're pretty even. I can't wait for number 3. I was in a bad mood when I went in too and I still laughed my ass off the whole time. I think I'm gonna go see it again some other time when I'm more chipper.

Another thing. The box office didn't surprise me at all. Besides the hype and the love for the first one, every single showing on Friday night was sold out except for the two latest ones, at both theatres I checked. We were lucky to squeeze into the 1045.

****1/2

Hades

07-09-2006, 12:49 PM

Cortez2301

07-09-2006, 12:49 PM

I think the poll speaks for itself. I'd say this is the best movie of the year. Or at least tied with V for Vendetta.

As for comparing it to the first one, it almost beat out the original, but the original comes out on top by a small centimeter.ok thanks.

The Clown Prince

07-09-2006, 05:26 PM

As I said in another post, it was a ballsey move by Disney, Bruckheimer, and Gore Verbinski to choose to go this route with the story, meaning make one huge long movie and divide it into 2 movies, like the Matrix 2 and 3. It's a gutsy chance, and I love it when studios take chances.

Despite the choice that was made by all involved, Dead Man's Chest CANNOT be completely judged until after viewing At World's End next May. As we all know, it's obvious that 'Pirates' 2 and 3 are one story, after viewing the pay off that will hopefully be At World's End can you really look at and judge the set up that was Dead Man's Chest.

As someone else has noted in this thread, Curse of the Black Pearl was meant to be a stand alone story. No one knew the success that it would have and Disney etc. had no clue at the time they were making Curse of the Black Pearl that sequels would come. For those disappointed maybe with Jack Sparrow or other returning characters, you just were not gonna get the magic back of meeting these characters for the first time. With Johnny Depp's Sparrow, nothing about his performance changed, and that was great. He's still that very original same character that we all fell in love with.

The Clown Prince

Silly McGooses

07-09-2006, 05:37 PM

I don't see it as taking a chance so much as it is a way to make more money in less time...

Joker85

07-09-2006, 07:50 PM

You can still make a trilogy and have each movie stand on it's own, while at the same time continuing an overall plot. Dead Man's Chest didn't stand on it's own, and I shouldn't have to wait a year just to see whether or not I liked a movie that I shelled out a ridiculous amount to see today. As a film in its own right it was terrible! Too many plots that were not fleshed out enough, they only seemed to be devices to get to the next great action sequences, which grew tedious after 2 1/2 hours. The scene on the island where Jack, Will, and Norrington were fighting was just so completely pointless and went on way too long. It wasn't even that funny. The jokes I did laugh at were mostly jokes that had been reused from the first movie. And while Johnny Depp did turn in another good performance there was little time to enjoy it with the horrible pacing of the movie. Yes the third movie may make this one make tons of sense all of a sudden and tie everything up as it should, but that is not the point. Each film should be judged as its own movie first, and then as part of the trilogy. I understand them leaving some things hanging, and I was expecting them to, but nothing got resolved in this movie at all, mainly because the writers and director didn't really seem to know where any of the so-called plots were going.

** 1/2

SilentBat18

07-09-2006, 07:57 PM

just saw it and i got to admit, i was lost at times. that's why i gave it the **** star ranking. it was good, but i didn't feel it was as good as "curse of the black pearl". not to mention trying to contemplate why the monkey is still undead

the transformers teaser showed before it. everyone was clueless until they saw the tranformers logo. that's when everyone went crazy go nuts

The monkey is still undead because it stole the medalion after the credits rolled in the first movie.... if you have the dvd check that.... plus the movie.... OMG!!!! loved it, loved it, loved it; but now i have to wait till next year to see what happens... i cant believe they ended it that way! i love it more than the first and i'm going to see it again :D... yes it was that good:D

My favorite scene in the film was probably the escape from the tribe. It was hard to top that, with the rolling ball cage and the tribe throwing fruit at Jack to make him a shish kabob. :p Probably the biggest laugh of the movie for me was when Jack pole-vaulted onto the opposite cliff and then the fruit on his pole weighed him down so that he fell off anyway.

lol loved that scene too.... and the part where jack gets the undead monkey in the cage and says "look, (shoots his pistol) an undead monkey *grin*" very good stuff indeed.....

:D :anime: zoidberg and davy jones seperated at birth.... funny stuff.... "Lady, I am an expert in human anatomy, not open your air hole and say rmrmrmermrmem"- zoidberg.

Simpler Simon

07-10-2006, 11:03 AM

I'd compare this to Matrix Reloaded in terms of pacing and non-resolution, but I actually enjoyed Dead Man's Chest a bit more, despite it really having less of a plot.

Cons:

-Too much "gets captured, escapes, gets on different ship, escapes, gets on another ship" etc. They did a bit of this in the first one as well, and it feels even more convoluted here.

-Similarly, back to Tortuga, and again it's to find a crew. You also get rehashes of the theme park ride jokes they covered in the first film.

-Someone mentioned this earlier, too many redshirts (disposable characters), with the same core cast surviving every time. How did Barbossa's henchmen (the one with a glass eye and the short one) find the Black Pearl on the cannibal island? Where/when did they escape?

-Honestly could've afforded to trim the running time, especially since the story wasn't that strong.

Pros:

-Meet Bootstrap Bill, and he helps his son.

-Great performances all around. Johnny Depp is mostly mugging for the camera, but it still works.

-Great setpieces and visual effects. The kraken was worth the big screen admission.

-The ending.

adoptedBatpuppy

07-10-2006, 12:03 PM

I really need to find time to see this movie! :sad:
My friend thinks that this sequel was better then the original one, and not as scary, also that it focused too much on Jack Sparrow and not the other characters. :ack:

Fifi Fanatic

07-10-2006, 12:56 PM

Cons:

-Too much "gets captured, escapes, gets on different ship, escapes, gets on another ship" etc. They did a bit of this in the first one as well, and it feels even more convoluted here.

-Similarly, back to Tortuga, and again it's to find a crew. You also get rehashes of the theme park ride jokes they covered in the first film.

-Someone mentioned this earlier, too many redshirts (disposable characters), with the same core cast surviving every time. How did Barbossa's henchmen (the one with a glass eye and the short one) find the Black Pearl on the cannibal island? Where/when did they escape?

-Honestly could've afforded to trim the running time, especially since the story wasn't that strong.

Pros:

-Meet Bootstrap Bill, and he helps his son.

-Great performances all around. Johnny Depp is mostly mugging for the camera, but it still works.

-Great setpieces and visual effects. The kraken was worth the big screen admission.

-The ending.

Yep, that about covers everything for me too. I loved it; but it falls just a fraction short of the original. Of course, the original was a tough act to follow, eh? :cool: Even if it didn't end on a cliffhanger, I'd still be back next year. This is what a summer movie should be: fun. :) ****1/2

Someone wanted to know when this story is set historically. It would have to be at the tail end of "The Golden Age of Piracy": in the early 1700's, no later than the mid-1720's. The death of "Black Bart" Roberts in 1722 more or less marks the end of that era. And that's today's educational segment. :p

Lord Dalek

07-10-2006, 01:23 PM

Again, looking at how many people turned out Friday to see it and still will see it, I hope that the decision to take the story the way they did and the ending they chose doesn't come back to haunt them next May when At World's End opens. Audiences may feel upset by how they have to come back again to finish a story they started with Dead Man's Chest. It's ballsey and I like when studios take chances. With The Lord of the Rings and the Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions, most audiences knew those would be continuing stories. I know personally many people who didn't know of the third 'Pirates' film to come next year.

Despite what some may feel with the Matrix movies, at least the wait wasn't as bad between parts two and three. 6 months. But that's because part 3 was already finished. At World's End is only a third of the way filmed. They go back next month to finish filming the other 2/3's. With The Lord of the Rings movies we had a full 12 months between movies, even though most of the principal photography was finished for all three movies, Peter Jackson needed the whole year to do pick up shots and to complete all the CGI. So 10 months doesn't seem too bad of a time to wait.
I agree, this is probably why I'm being a bit more generous towards the film despite my disapointment with it. It's good to know that all these exposed dangling plot threads will finally be resolved in the next film. Although I thought the same things with Matrix Reloaded and look where THAT went. :shrug:

P.S.: Which one were you at TCP? Bridgeport? Sherwood?

bat313

07-10-2006, 01:57 PM

The Clown Prince

07-10-2006, 03:54 PM

P.S.: Which one were you at TCP? Bridgeport? Sherwood?

We saw it at the Sherwood location to one of two sold out 10:20 shows that they spread one film print through two projectors. It was crazy that night.

I love the Bridgeport theater, but it's really packed most of the time, for me at least everytime it seems that I try to go. I have twin sister friends that are both assistant managers at Sherwood and Bridgeport. The midnight showing at Bridgeport, I guess was just REALLY crazy. 8 sold out auditoriums for the 12:01 a.m. showing. Man!

BTW, I take it your a local Oregon guy (or girl) as well? :)

The Clown Prince

Noukon

07-10-2006, 05:11 PM

The story was just a wee bit muddled and weak, but I'll be damned if it wasn't one of the most entertaining movie experiences I've ever had. Pretty much the perfect example of how a franchise popcorn movie should be done.

mookie75

07-10-2006, 06:16 PM

Not that it matters much to me, but dang if Entertainment Weekly didn't rip this movie a new orifice (it got a D+). :eek:

Of course, I plan to see it anyway.

Lord Dalek

07-10-2006, 06:43 PM

BTW, I take it your a local Oregon guy (or girl) as well? :)

The Clown PrinceYeah I'm over in Portland, there was a line going around the block at Lloyd when I was getting out.

Scirel

07-11-2006, 01:47 AM

I believe he's referring to the utter lack of motivation for the advancement of the plot. Why does Jack flee to the native island? How does Elisabeth know where the Black Pearl is? What exactly does the heart do besides serve as a McGuffin? Etc. Etc.

WTH?

I woke up an hour before seeing the movie and I got all that.

Jack fled to the island to escape Davey Jones because he knew he couldn`t get to land.
Elizabeth went to tortuga where the pearl was and asked around like will did.
The heart thing was clearly explained and was the main point of the story in that if the heart is destroyed, so is Davey Jones, and whoever has the heart can sway him however he pelases because they literally have his life in their hands.

You must have been seriously bored or nodding off not to get those things...

purplehairedwonder

07-11-2006, 04:25 AM

Loved it. Just loved it. I think the first was a bit better, but still loved this one. Thoughts:

* I loved the opening scene, with Elizabeth waiting in the rain only to have Will show up in irons.

* Johnny Depp = brilliant

* It was cool to be introduced to Bill Turner, considering it was obvious he couldn't have died under the curse of the Aztec gold. I liked the interaction between him and Will. I'm looking forward to seeing where Will's oath to his father ends up taking him and Bootstrap.

* Loved the three-way fight. It was cool to see Norrington finally getting some action after being more just a presence in the first film. He's bitter towards both Jack and Will, and that played into the fight and made it that much more entertaining.

* I didn't so much like the whole ElizabethxJack angle it took a couple of times, and since Will saw Elizabeth kissing Jack, I have to wonder how that is going to affect the next film.

* I was sure the movie was going to end with Jack facing the Krakken, but was pleasantly surprised to see them meeting in the swamp only to have Barbossa return. As soon as the boots came down the stairs, I knew it had to be him. That was just a really cool scene.

4.5/5

Noukon

07-11-2006, 06:14 AM

Not that it matters much to me, but dang if Entertainment Weekly didn't rip this movie a new orifice (it got a D+). :eek:

Of course, I plan to see it anyway.

Honestly, that low a score is almost offensive. It reeks of contrarion opinionating.

I love how a lot of the negative reviews give some praise to Davy Jones' "makeup." How dumb can you get?

Hades

07-11-2006, 12:14 PM

EW review is bunk. They obviously did not want to like it in the first place since it was a sequel as all they are doing are giving it negatives without actually talking about the film itself. If the reviewer didn't like it, that is fine, but he should be talking about BOTH the positives and negatives, not just twenty negatives and maybe one positive. Also, he seemed to forget the fact that this movie is part of a TRILOGY.

Cogliostro

07-11-2006, 12:35 PM

WTH?

I woke up an hour before seeing the movie and I got all that.

Jack fled to the island to escape Davey Jones because he knew he couldn`t get to land.
Elizabeth went to tortuga where the pearl was and asked around like will did.
The heart thing was clearly explained and was the main point of the story in that if the heart is destroyed, so is Davey Jones, and whoever has the heart can sway him however he pelases because they literally have his life in their hands.

You must have been seriously bored or nodding off not to get those things...

-Actually I believe the main reason Jack fled to the native island and tied up the Black Pearl was to escape the Krakken and keep it from getting his ship. He didn't pick that island on purpose he just told his crew to get to the nearest land for safety, it just turned out to be a bad choice to land.

-Elizabeth went to Tortoga because that's where Will said he was going to go to being his search for Jack when she was locked in the cell.

-And yes that was clearly stated. The heart is the key to the ocean so to speak. Davy Jones controls the Krakken thust have control of the sea, so whoever has his heart, controls Davy Jones and the sea. The one guy wants to control the sea to get rid of all pirates. Commador (I know I spelled that wrong) wanted to get it for the other guy, so he could get his fleet and respect back and hopefully finally have a good chance at catching Jack. Jack wanted the heart (as far as we knew) to have Davy Jones call the Krakken off him. Will wanted it to kill Davy Jones and let his father's soul rest.

I'm not saying you were wrong about anything Scirel, just backing you up.

Hero Supreme

07-11-2006, 01:44 PM

SilentBat18

07-11-2006, 03:47 PM

Noukon

07-11-2006, 09:36 PM

Cogliostro

07-11-2006, 09:39 PM

I just went and seen it for the second time and noticed a few things I didn't really notice the first time I seen it. There is a lot of setting up for a love triangle between Jack, Will and Elizabeth. When Jack and Elizabeth was using the compass it kept pointing at each other and then of course there was the kiss that Will seen.

One more thing that I was surprised to notice the second time around was while Jack and Will were at the voodoo lady's house in between the scene where she let's the undead monkey go and the scene where she is goes in the back and comes back with Jack's vase of dirt, there is a quick scene where the monkey is at the feet of someone lying down with boots on and the monkey looks concerned/upset and makes a noise. We find out at the end of the film who it is but I find it odd that he was there either lying down or dead (more then likely dead) when Jack and Will first visit the voodoo lady. Anyone else notice that or agree?

:cool:

Hordesman

07-12-2006, 12:38 PM

Hey, did anyone else notice the heartshaped locket that Davy Jone's had was the same as the locket the voodoo priestess had and was the chest design where Davy's heart lay? you think she's the woman whom Davy was in love with?

I got the sense Davy's been around far longer than your average lifespan, so Tia Dalma'd have to be using voodoo to stay young... Or she's a descendant of this woman.

One more thing that I was surprised to notice the second time around was while Jack and Will were at the voodoo lady's house in between the scene where she let's the undead monkey go and the scene where she is goes in the back and comes back with Jack's vase of dirt, there is a quick scene where the monkey is at the feet of someone lying down with boots on and the monkey looks concerned/upset and makes a noise. We find out at the end of the film who it is but I find it odd that he was there either lying down or dead (more then likely dead) when Jack and Will first visit the voodoo lady. Anyone else notice that or agree?
:cool:

I think the monkey might've been the key to the revival, which makes me wonder how much Jack anticipated by giving it as payment. But in any case, the guy's been through alot- he's bound to need the rest if he wasn't just dead.

bat313

07-12-2006, 12:51 PM

Great movie, not as good as the first but still great.

Can someone explain the Island at the beginning of the movie that Jack escaped from in the coffin? Was this an Island they take criminals and kill them or something?

So nobody knows about the location Jack was escaping from at the beginning of the movie or how he got caught in the first place? :confused:

psifreek28

07-12-2006, 02:09 PM

So nobody knows about the location Jack was escaping from at the beginning of the movie or how he got caught in the first place? :confused:

That is some strange prison island that Jack went to find the piece of paper for the key of Davy's Chest.

bat313

07-12-2006, 04:13 PM

That is some strange prison island that Jack went to find the piece of paper for the key of Davy's Chest.

THANK YOU! :) It was the most confusing part of the movie to me. Real creapy Island.

Fifi Fanatic

07-12-2006, 04:27 PM

Well, I'm gonna try to get my hands on the POTC Visual Guide soon. Maybe it will spell out in more detail just what that creepy prison island was. :cool:

FireStarterLE

07-12-2006, 04:32 PM

i kinda hope they have more of that prision island in the last one. From what i could tell about the Voodoo lady, she's seems kinda like Fortune Teller Baba with the stuff she's able to do with the dead.

i think the love triangle is a bit one sided, Elizabeth said she didnt care when she left Jack but she was obviously the one that was most upset about it.

Jack seem to be a thousand steps ahead of everyone, he plays the fool thats all but seems to smartest (and most cunning) of the whole group

and about the Jack/Kracken part i really think that maybe Jack isnt dead and might be surviving somehow inside the kracken. And thus when they go to World's End, it may be for nothing just a guess that's all.

Oh yeah and then there's that small part about the British having the item in question but if since they dont currently own the seven seas or the four oceans that may just tell you what happens in that story

Cortez2301

07-13-2006, 11:13 AM

Paul_Cousins

07-13-2006, 11:23 AM

Jack seem to be a thousand steps ahead of everyone, he plays the fool thats all but seems to smartest (and most cunning) of the whole group

and about the Jack/Kracken part i really think that maybe Jack isnt dead and might be surviving somehow inside the kracken. And thus when they go to World's End, it may be for nothing just a guess that's all.When I saw that that scene, I noticed that Jack jumped into the Kracken's mouth and the Kracken probably swallowed him whole, and I am reminded of the story of "Johan and the whale".

Cogliostro

07-13-2006, 03:21 PM

This movie was amazing!Better than the first one!I gave it 5 stars.I loved the action and the comedy.I really enjoyed seeing Davey Jones,Barbossa and bootstrap turner.I can't wait for part 3 ! I hear it is coming next year.Can anyone confirm?

Like all release dates it could change but for now May 25, 2007 is the release date for Pirates of the Caribbean(3):At World's End. Like many, I can't wait to see it!!! :D

SilentBat18

07-13-2006, 03:23 PM

This movie was amazing!Better than the first one!I gave it 5 stars.I loved the action and the comedy.I really enjoyed seeing Davey Jones,Barbossa and bootstrap turner.I can't wait for part 3 ! I hear it is coming next year.Can anyone confirm?

Yup, the third is coming out in May next year i believe, maybe later but defenitley next year... and can you believe Barbossa is back!!! what a shocker! when i saw him i gasped and then i screamed "WHAT!" when the credits started rolling.... i couldnt leave my seat i was so shocked :p :p

Hordesman

07-13-2006, 05:24 PM

Like all release dates it could change but for now May 25, 2007 is the release date for Pirates of the Caribbean(3):At World's End. Like many, I can't wait to see it!!! :D

It was originally a Christmas 06 release, but weather delays forced a change in release date,

Lonestarr

07-13-2006, 07:38 PM

* I didn't so much like the whole ElizabethxJack angle it took a couple of times, and since Will saw Elizabeth kissing Jack, I have to wonder how that is going to affect the next film.

I have to say that this is the one thing I didn't like about the film.

Everything else was tops: the three-way sword fight (wow!), the escape from the tribe, the attack of the Kraken, the bits of humor. The music was better this time out, as well.

To those who thought this was too short a movie...that's a joke, right?

BTW, in terms of sequel terminology, I think this is more like Back to the Future II than anything.

Cogliostro

07-13-2006, 07:47 PM

To those who thought this was too short a movie...that's a joke, right?

No, I think Dead Man's Chest was a good length though. Some things ran alittle longer then need making the film feel longer then it already was. As for At World's End, I hope it's alittle longer then Dead Man's Chest, why? Because there are a lot of things to be explained and resolved for the third film. I don't know about you but I could definately enjoy 3 hours in the world of Pirates of the Caribbean! :D

SilentBat18

07-13-2006, 07:56 PM

I don't know about you but I could definately enjoy 3 hours in the world of Pirates of the Caribbean! :D

That goes double for me :D, hey if ppl could sit through 3 hours of Matrix Harry Potter or Lord of the Ring, i'm sure they can sit through pirates... and why not?

Noukon

07-14-2006, 05:35 PM

BTW, in terms of sequel terminology, I think this is more like Back to the Future II than anything.

In certain abstract ways, it really mimics The Empire Strikes Back more than anything else. To the point where I'm sure it was intentional.

silverwings

07-14-2006, 08:18 PM

In certain abstract ways, it really mimics The Empire Strikes Back more than anything else. To the point where I'm sure it was intentional.

ESB immediately came to mind when Jack was eaten and soon the credits rolled.

I, of course, will hope that World's End is more "Return of the King" than "Return of the Jedi."

No ewoks-thingys PLEASE. :sweat:

Simpler Simon

07-14-2006, 11:27 PM

In certain abstract ways, it really mimics The Empire Strikes Back more than anything else. To the point where I'm sure it was intentional.

Agree. Back to the Future II, even though it ended on a cliffhanger, at least resolved the movie's main plot point (returning the timeline back to its original status). Dead Man's Chest is much more ESB and Matrix Reloaded, where everything is a build-up for part 3.

Off topic: does anyone know how ESB fared critically when it was released? I heard the reviews weren't as positive as they are today, and I'm wondering if it was nailed for being 'incomplete' like Dead Man's Chest and Reloaded were.

ToOn~g@l

07-15-2006, 11:59 PM

Oh man this movie was awesome. The ending blew me away, I was totally not expecting that to happen.

I just loved the part with Jack and the crew on the native island, so many silly things happening like running around in the ball and Jack trying to fight of the endless barrage of fruit. The poor Dog though.

And the threeway sword fight was nicely done.

I want to see it again.

SilverKnight

07-16-2006, 02:02 AM

I really enjoyed the movie.

I won't say it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it was very entertaining and genuinely kept me guessing as to what was going to be happening later on. The movie is incomplete, but I wonder where all the details I've noticed are going to lead.

Random bits of note and speculation, as it's almost 2 am and my brain = kaputz:

The locket the priestess, Davey Jones, and that Lord Who-the-hell-ever (here on in referred to as 'Lordy') had were all of the same design.
Lordy states as he releases Swan something along the lines of, "It amazes me what people are willing to barter. Even if they don't know they're giving it up." I don't recall the exact words, but I inferred the statement as Swan selling his soul to the Devil for his daughter's life.
The rather sudden development of the whole love-triangle thing was odd. Not necessarily unwelcome, just...odd. Perhaps because all the Elizabeth/Will tension was in the first movie and all the Elizabeth/Jack tension was in the second, and given the current state of Jack's non-livingness, it may well never be resolved.
But on that note, I sincerely doubt Jack Sparrow is dead.
I don't believe Elizabeth was necessarily sorry that Jack died, so much that she sent a man to his death to save her own life. And tricked him into it, to boot. Maybe she was also sorry that, in the end, she had proven Jack right; just as he proved her right by showing fortitude instead of running--which is what she did.
"I got a jar of diiiirt, I got a jar of diiiiirt, and guess what's iiiiin it!" Jack Sparrow is awesome. He just is.
Will Turner is less so, but that's only because he's so straight-laced. He provides a great foil for the whole Jack-ness, but on his own, he fumbles a bit. The price of being the second-banana, I suppose.
For supposedly being an apprentice swordsmith most of his life, Will really does know his way around a ship, doesn't he? Complete with him climbing his way up a ship with a dagger clenched between his teeth.
If the bit with Swan wasn't enough, Harrington dropping Davey Jones' heart onto the table and offering it as leverage screams 'bargaining with the Devil'.
Five bucks says in the third movie, Lordy gets his ass owned by Davey Jones or some such power that can readily prove that he is not the Devil, and seriously shouldn't act as such. And I will laugh.All I got for now. I go sleepies now.

Oh yeah. And I definitely got a more Back to the Future II vibe from this than Empire Strikes Back. Simply because the first could be seen as standalone with a very open-ending, and the second, while good, is weaker from taking so many loose ends and twisting them all into hopeless knots to be properly accounted for in the final movie.

"Where's the monkey? I want to shoot at something."

<3 Jack. :D

Cortez2301

07-16-2006, 05:40 AM

Yup, the third is coming out in May next year i believe, maybe later but defenitley next year... and can you believe Barbossa is back!!! what a shocker! when i saw him i gasped and then i screamed "WHAT!" when the credits started rolling.... i couldnt leave my seat i was so shocked :p :pYeah barbossa rocks.It could be a big war in part 3!I want to see Barbossa,sparrow,bootstrap "Billl" turner annd davey jones all in the sam eplace fighting with swords.

Like all release dates it could change but for now May 25, 2007 is the release date for Pirates of the Caribbean(3):At World's End. Like many, I can't wait to see it!!! :Dthanks man.

DarkAngel

07-16-2006, 10:45 AM

Disappointed. There were quite a few moments I liked, as well as some of the bigger scenes, but that's hardly surprising in a film this hectic and with such a long length. There were many more moments that didn't work quite as well and which we had to weed through to get to the good stuff. Unfortunate. They had a solid enough story idea and a great villain, but just didn't execute well enough. The movie needed greater coherence and clarity.

The highlight for me was easily the three-way fight between Jack, Will, and Norrington and the extended action it led to (the fight on the wheel, Elizabeth fighting with two swords, the two pirates running with the chest, etc). Great stuff there.

Also a great choice for the villain. Anyone even slightly familiar with seafaring or pirate-type movies has heard the phrase "Davy Jones' locker," which has always been synonymous with the death and the bottom of the ocean. Unfortunately, that seems to be all the writers were counting on. Using Davy Jones as the villain and a kind of devil of the sea is really a brilliant idea, but it's not enough to just have a basic familiarity with the idea. To create an especially compelling and imposing villain, we needed some backstory. They should have cut out some of the other crap in the movie, and provided us with a flashback and narration showing/telling a frightening/chilling story of what happened to Davy Jones and the Flying Dutchman and why they exist in the state they currently do. That would have heightened every scene Jones was in. A vague mention of him falling in love and locking his heart away in a chest isn't nearly enough. It's really too bad, because visually they represented Jones very uniquely, and Bill Nighy did a very nice job with his portrayal. But ultimately, the potential wasn't realized.

Depp, expectedly, was in good form. And there was great humor in spots. I could have used a little bit more. But that aspect was good.

All of the cast was pretty solid. I wish Keira had more to do sooner, but she had some nice moments late. I enjoyed the Elizabeth/Jack tension that was added late. I expect that in the end that Turner will be the one to get her, and that the kiss will be explained away as her distraction in order to cuff him to the Pearl.

That does bother me a bit, though. The handcuffing part. It didn't completely sit right when it happened, though I was willing to accept it. But then at the end, when she agreed with the others that she'd be willing to go far if there was a chance to help Jack...well, that just doesn't fit with her spoken motivation for leaving Jack on the Pearl. She did it to save the others, since Jack was the one that Jones wanted (and Jones did comment that the debt was satisfied when he saw the Kracken take down Jack and the ship). But then when Will and the rest are ready to throw themselves right back into extreme danger to get him back, Elizabeth hardly reacts? Essentially, she threw away Jack's life for nothing since they're all going to be right back under threat pretty soon. I would have preferred if the movie ended with the Black Pearl going down, since the subsequent scene undermined it.

Overall, not that great and not as good as the original. I never really felt the length of the movie much, so it kept me entertained, but it never rose to greatness (or even a solid level of good) for me. There were flashes of brilliance or near-brilliance, but not nearly enough given the movie length and the amount of running around the characters were doing.

Noukon

07-16-2006, 11:56 AM

ESB immediately came to mind when Jack was eaten and soon the credits rolled.

I, of course, will hope that World's End is more "Return of the King" than "Return of the Jedi."

No ewoks-thingys PLEASE. :sweat:

It seems like the third film may take place in the Orient, which means it may involve ninjas.

Damien

07-16-2006, 01:35 PM

What Elizabeth did practically ruined the movie for me. So much for her honor.
That aside, it was pretty good, although I felt everyone from the first one was thrown into this one just for fun, especially Barbossa.
Cool that they took a couple names from actual lore this time around (Davey Jones and the Kraken). Those two made the movie for me.
Jack Sparrow was...better in the first one.

Sharklady

07-16-2006, 04:09 PM

> ... I think it would have been fun to see them all stick together and go pirating. Jack, his enemy's two lackies, the man who tried to arrest him and lost everything and turned to piracy, and Will and Beth all in the same ship and turning to crime... <

Perhaps that's how the third movie shall end. Everybody in the main cast has now displayed capasities for piratical behavior (some more than others, of course.) "Never Trust A Pirate", indeed!

> ... and that Lord Who-the-hell-ever (here on in referred to as 'Lordy') <

That's Lord Cutler Beckett, who may yet turn out to be the evilest player in the trilogy. And who provided one of my favorite bits of dialogue:

LORD BECKETT: I'm listening. [ELIZABETH holds a gun to his face] I'm listening *intently*.

'Also loved the three-way sword fight. Particularly Elizabeth's attempt to break it up with a pretend faint, which is completely ignored.
"I've had it! I've had it with wobbly-legged, rum soaked PIRATES!"

And of course those Abbott & Costello pirates, Pintel & Ragetti, are always good for a chuckle:

PINTEL: (sneering at RAGETTI holding an upsidedown book) You don't even know how to read!
RAGETTI: It's the Bible. You get credit for trying!

WILL: What vexes all men?
TIA: What, indeed.
GIBBS: The sea!
PINTEL: Sums!
RAGETTI: The dichotomy of good and evil!

PINTEL: I always heard it said "kray-kin"
RAGETTI: What? with a long A? Na-na-na-na-no-no no "Krah-ken"'s how it's pronounced in the original Scandinavian, and "Krakken"'s closer to that.
PINTEL: Well we ain't original Scandinavians, are we?
RAGETTI: It's a mythological creature, I can calls it what I wants!

Overall: Quite an entertaining ride, and I'll be happy to take it again!

Artimus Gigan

07-16-2006, 04:38 PM

Glad to hear someone caught that too. The Monkey Island games (Particularly II) were guilty of ripping off the POTC ride and now the POTC movies are ripping off the Monkey Island games. COINCENDENCE???
They renovated the POTC ride to now look more like the movie which ripped Monkey Island which Ripped the POTC ride

everything has come full circle

Yet we still don't have a Monkey Island 5 :(

Allthough I didn't stay through the credits and thusly missed the Dog Scene, but I was rather pleased with the movie intotal. Even though Barbosa appears at the end, it more or less got you fired up for the Sequel. But the entire chain of events in DMC certainly didn't dissapoint. Hopefully there will be more pirate movies to spawn off of POTC success.

For the world needs more pirates to end global warming

SilverKnight

07-16-2006, 05:07 PM

What Elizabeth did practically ruined the movie for me. So much for her honor.I actually sorta liked it.

Well, I liked her reaction of it afterwards, at least. Maybe she rationialized it that it was after Jack, and that he needed to have accountability for his own actions, anyway. Still, in the end, she couldn't lie that she essentially killed him to save her own skin. I think it's her honor that's making her appear so guilty over it. If she'd truly felt no shame or remorse for the act, she wouldn't have lied to everyone and led them all to believe he noblely sacrificed his own life to save theirs, when we all know he did no such thing. Jack didn't do the right thing, she did the wrong thing by tricking him into his own demise--something a pirate would do. (Something Will Turner wouldn't have done; also of note.) Not only has she sullied her own sense of morality, but she wound up proving everything Jack said earlier right. Elizabeth eventually gave into the darker impulses.

Anywho, coming back more coherently, I liked the first better. It had more shape and direction to it, though I suppose the point of this movie was to mud everything up a bit. There's a little more intrigue to the whole thing, and the lines aren't quite as clear as they used to be. However, I do think they fubared Jack's character a smidgen. "He's a pirate and a good man," Will once said of him, but Jack was the one to use Will as an offering for his own soul (though I guess he gets points for trying to talk Jones out of taking him). Old habits die hard, I guess?

Oh, and I really wanted to slap Harrington upside the head for blaming Jack for his misfortune when I kept thinking, "Gee, who was the one that gave him a day's head start when he was RIGHT THERE? Oh yeah, you. Go drown in a toilet." Never the less, from a really shallow standpoint, he looked much cuter here than in the first one. Something about the rugged beard made him look...a lot less British. Sue me. :p

Hordesman

07-16-2006, 07:15 PM

How good's honor when the Kraken goes after the lifeboat and gets everyone on board?

silverwings

07-16-2006, 10:33 PM

It seems like the third film may take place in the Orient, which means it may involve ninjas.

Or, even better, PIRATE ninjas. :D

Paul_Cousins

07-16-2006, 10:46 PM

Or, even better, PIRATE ninjas. :DThey should just paid Bandai to let they use Mugen as cameo role in the third movie. ;)

SilverKnight

07-17-2006, 06:35 AM

How good's honor when the Kraken goes after the lifeboat and gets everyone on board?Yes yes, practicality > honor, but even so, it's a hard pill to swallow all the same. For someone who values their morals so highly, using underhanded tricks for the purpose of killing another (even if it is to save everyone else's life) really sucks. But then, nobody ever said life was fair.

DarkAngel

07-17-2006, 08:55 AM

For someone who values their morals so highly, using underhanded tricks for the purpose of killing another (even if it is to save everyone else's life) really sucks.
But given everyone's readiness at the end of the movie to do whatever's necessary to save Jack, they're about to put themselves right back into danger. Elizabeth's action seems to have been for nothing.

Sharklady

07-17-2006, 12:13 PM

silverwings

07-17-2006, 05:46 PM

^ That occured to me, too.

So did something else. Since Elizabeth took the choice out of his hands, there's no way to know, but it's possible Jack actually intended to stay aboard the Pearl. Prehaps he only got himself loose 'cause he prefered to face the Krakken in an unfettered condition- notice he wasn't particularly afraid once that confrontation actually occured.

Jack and Beth's next meeting ought to be *really* interesting. And so should Will's reaction when he finds out what she did (maybe the wedding's off?)

BTW: It's possible Elizabeth didn't commit that treachery for purely practical reasons. She may have wanted to punish Jack for trading Will to Davy Jones.

I think the reason she was so upset was that she proved Jack right. She gave into her darker side. Just as Jack proved her right by saving the day, she did something 'pirate' like. I think she's more upset about that then anything.

I just hope that they mimic will's confrontation with jack when jack confronts Elizabeth.

"I really should thank you for handcuffing me to my ship. Thanks to you, I found my hat!" :D

DarkAngel

07-17-2006, 06:04 PM

BTW: It's possible Elizabeth didn't commit that treachery for purely practical reasons. She may have wanted to punish Jack for trading Will to Davy Jones.
That doesn't really fit, though. Given her reaction when Jack returned to held fend off the Kracken, it didn't appear there was any anger or resentment left. And looking at her reaction after she'd cuffed him, we can see she was truly torn up about the fact she had left him to die.

I think the reason she was so upset was that she proved Jack right. She gave into her darker side. Just as Jack proved her right by saving the day, she did something 'pirate' like. I think she's more upset about that then anything.
I don't think so. She genuinely seemed to like Jack, so that fact that he's probably dead would weigh on her far more than who's right.

The problem is that there was really nothing in previous scenes to really support this sudden action on her part, so it feels out of character and forced. It's just not believable. I mean, not long before that she had been furious when she saw Jack rowing away, calling him a coward. So then she's going to act in cowardly fashion and sacrifice his life to save hers and everyone else's? I don't think so. And they've all been in so many tough times over these past two movies, that I see no reason why she'd all of a sudden lose faith in there ability to come out of this alive. It just doesn't fit. More needed to be done to set up this action as believable.

SilentBat18

07-17-2006, 06:07 PM

"I really should thank you for handcuffing me to my ship. Thanks to you, I found my hat!" :D

LOL i can soooo see that happen.

I think another reason Elizabeth wanted to kill Jack was because the compass always pointed to jack instead of will when Jack gave her the compass. i guess she didnt want it to be true... its just a hunch....

adoptedBatpuppy

07-18-2006, 11:52 AM

Ruffian

07-18-2006, 02:02 PM

Finally saw this last night and I loved it too!

I love the smart writing that's part of what made the first film so great. The writers took the facts and details that were established in the first film and expanded it. There were great little clues and lines scattered around in the beginning that makes a lot more sense after seeing the entire film, just like the first. And there were all these threads that interlaced and were kinda hard to keep track of, but in the end made sense. Usually something like that becomes a mess and I'm so glad the writers were able to keep it from getting tangled.

Jack, Will, Elizabeth, Norrington, and everyone was in character and seemed even more comfortable in their roles. I especially like Elizabeth moreso here than in the first movie. Davy Jones and his crew were okay. Barbossa and his undead crew were scarier and more nightmarish, although the Flying Dutchman was a more imposing looking ship than the Black Pearl.

I was pleasantly surprised with how they were able to squeeze more references in from the ride: the foggy bayou/marshes and the voodoo lady's shack, the guy getting dunked in the well, and reinventing the prisoners whistling at the dog with the keys scene by having them whistling at Elizabeth. Some scenes even reminded me of other rides such as The Jungle Cruise, The Treehouse, and Haunted Mansion. :p

The fighting and action scenes was interesting and entertaining, which is very good. Usually I find myself disappointed with action in sequels such as Matrix: Reloaded and the Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith because they look the same if not less interesting than what I saw in the first movie. Here, I liked how the cannibal island action sequences were different, yet still interesting, and I liked the three-way dual at the end which was the dual from the first movie taken to another level. However, the cavern fight at the end of the the first Pirates movie was more innovative.

Overall a good well-rounded movie, lots of fun, and has a rich story with lots of well-played characters. I did feel the length of the movie, but it didn't bother me. My thinking was more "Wow, a lot has happened and it still isn't over?!" I enjoy being in the Pirates world as others do and am looking forward to the third movie.

Hero Supreme

07-18-2006, 02:21 PM

why did the black pearl end up on cannibal island at the beginning?

The Clown Prince

07-18-2006, 03:28 PM

why did the black pearl end up on cannibal island at the beginning?

He beached the Pearl to keep the Kracken from sinking it.

The Clown Prince

Hero Supreme

07-18-2006, 03:33 PM

He beached the Pearl to keep the Kracken from sinking it.

The Clown Prince

that makes some sense i guess. i was wrestling a baby for the first part of the film and missed that exlaination. so it was just unlucky that the island they picked was full of "danger?"

SilentBat18

07-18-2006, 03:35 PM

I liked the second installment to the Pirates of the Caribbean! :anime:
It was definetly funnier then the Superman Returns, (which my friend found depressing) :(

I didn't get why Elizabeth flerts with Jack since she is planning to marry Will.
I think later when she cuffed him to the Black Pearl, she wanted to revenge him for lying and selling Will to Davey Jones. After that she felt sorry for him, it's obvious that she likes him despite his mistakes in life. Somehow I think he will be back.
I'm confused as to what islands those pirates traveled on.
How is that the heart lies in the chest while the Captain is alive! :ack:
Will met his father who is also a pirate, how is that possible? :eek:

Well Liz had alot of different intentions during the movie, but she doesnt really flirt with Jack, she more like seduced him to get what she wanted and to trap him.
Davy Jones isnt your regular human with a sea creature for a head, he cut out his heart to stop the pain he felt for the woman he loved and buried it in the chest.

Well in the first movie if you remember they tied a canon ball on old bootstraps bootstrap's and threw him overboard. now since the curse was till upon them he didnt die, just lost in the depths and thats where Davy Jones found him and made him a memeber of his crew.

hope that cleared up some questions :D

SilentBat18

07-18-2006, 03:36 PM

that makes some sense i guess. i was wrestling a baby for the first part of the film and missed that exlaination. so it was just unlucky that the island they picked was full of "danger?"

Yup yup, remember, Jack needed to head to land and didnt care who inhabited it

Sharklady

07-18-2006, 05:51 PM

> Somehow I think (Jack Sparrow) will be back. <

I think you can bet the farm on it.

One intriguing internet rumor about the third movie is that Jack is going to encounter his own father, and that dear old Dad will be played by none other than Sparrow-actalike Keith Richards! Oh boy oh boy oh boy- I really hope that turns out to be true! Keith won't need much of a makeover to look the part:

http://www.nrk.no/img/500466.jpeg

Hero Supreme

07-18-2006, 07:19 PM

>

One intriguing internet rumor about the third movie is that Jack is going to encounter his own father, and that dear old Dad will be played by none other than Sparrow-actalike Keith Richards! Oh boy oh boy oh boy- I really hope that turns out to be true! Keith won't need much of a makeover to look the part:

http://www.nrk.no/img/500466.jpeg

a keith richards appearance has been confirmed

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=15252

SirLemming

07-18-2006, 08:53 PM

I don't hold the first Pirates in extremely high regard, so maybe I had low expectations, but I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. I was confused about the story for the first half-hour or so, but I haven't seen the original more than once, so I figured it probably did make sense. But more importantly, it had a driving force moving it along whether I was completely on board or not, and I think that's the key to a good "popcorn flick". In such a movie, the plot isn't chiefly important -- that is, it doesn't need to be fundamentally original or contain a lot of thought-provoking ideas -- but it does need to have a good internal logic and internal motivation, and I think this movie has that. Once it got to the meat of the film I thought it was a blast. I think whatever plot points I missed this time around will be clear if I see it again, and the other flaws are mostly the kind of flaws that I don't really care about in this type of movie.

But if we must speak of flaws, I'd say there were a few confusing parts where I wasn't sure how people got from one ship to another. And I found some of the first scenes on the cannibal island to be confusing; I loved the part where Jack Sparrow pole-vaulted over the gorge and then got pulled down, but some of his behavior leading up to that confused me. And some of the dialogue truly was VERY hard to understand. And maybe there should've been just a bit more fighting and action, to really make the most of a pirate movie.

As for the pros: the island escape scene was great, the waterwheel fight was brilliantly choreographed (I love how Jack got pulled into it), and the Kraken battle at the end was awe-inspiring. And the rest of the effects were great too. Even where I could tell it was CGI, it definitely looked good enough not to pull me out of the movie. It all blended in well and had weight and grit to it. As for one of the movie's main special effects -- Davey Jones -- I really couldn't tell how they pulled it off sometimes.
(Also, Keira Knightley. MAN can that woman pout.)

Overall, a bit of a generous 4/5 from me.

BatKid

07-19-2006, 12:49 AM

As for one of the movie's main special effects -- Davey Jones -- I really couldn't tell how they pulled it off sometimes.
http://mag.awn.com/issue11.04/11.04images/pirates201_Pirates2-ds090t-.gif

http://mag.awn.com/issue11.04/11.04images/pirates02_Pirates2-piano.gif

http://mag.awn.com/issue11.04/11.04images/pirates01_Pirates2-ns060-20.gif

This alone is oscar-worthy. I always thought Davey was mostly prosthetics w/ cgi tentacles. :eek:

SilentBat18

07-19-2006, 02:33 AM

Damn! i also thought it was just prosthetics with cgi tentacles! amazing what they can do with comouters these days. but i have to say the actors really pulled it off, it must have been really difficult acting with absolutly no idea what they might look like... BRAVO! it just HAS to win and oscar

Scirel

07-19-2006, 10:02 AM

Holy FRICK!:eek:

I was CERTAIN that Davey Jones was a major makeup job with about 10 lbs of robotics hanging form his head.

I can`t believe that was CGI, it looked incredibly realistic. Kudos to them for fooling me. I hate hokey CGI, as it is often worse than a bad costume or robot when it is bad because you can easily tell it is CGI, but this.. this was incredible. They really made him look like he was a part of the world and not an added in effect from a blue screen.

If they don`t win best effects for this, something is serious screwed up.

Sharklady

07-19-2006, 10:54 AM

> ...but I have to say the actors really pulled it off, it must have been really difficult acting with absolutly no idea what they might look like... <

I'm also impressed! Despite being dressed like crash dummies, those guys still managed to feel their characters- note all the piratical scowls.
Can you tell us where you got those images, BatKid?

BTW: I assume Davy Jones playing the organ is a ref to Captain Nemo doing the same, in 1954's '20,000 Leagues Under The Sea' (another movie which features a really mean squid.)

SirLemming

07-19-2006, 11:43 AM

Wow, that really is amazing.

BatKid

07-19-2006, 01:14 PM

Glad you guys liked the pics, I'm currently giving it to everyone I know, so far everyone's reaction is, "that wasn't prosthetics?!" :sweat:

As for the source, go to a wonderful site called VFX World (http://www.vfxworld.com). You have to sign-up (free) to view their articles, but if you're really into finding out how they do movie magic, it's worth the 2 minutes. They have a very big feature in what they do to bring these characters to life, so read it if you're into that. The site also has many features on other CGI-heavy blockbuster films. Check those out too.

silverwings

07-19-2006, 06:47 PM

BTW: I assume Davy Jones playing the organ is a ref to Captain Nemo doing the same, in 1954's '20,000 Leagues Under The Sea' (another movie which features a really mean squid.)

I liked how his theme was very operatic and kinda felt like the music you'd hear in "The Flying Dutchman." That made me happy inside. :anime:

bigddan11

07-23-2006, 12:35 AM

I finally was able to go and see Pirates tonight, and while I don't think it was enjoyable as the first one (mostly because it and art 3 are one movie making it hard to judge until Part 3 is out), I did think it was amazing. I'm one of those people who didn't know the monkey stole some of the Aztec gold, but I thought you could only be cursed if you stole more than 1 piece. Bootstrap hadn't been cursed because he only took 1 piece.

The Davy Jones plot was clearly the main focus point in this movie, but it sets up a 3-way story in the third movie: Will tries to free his Father, they attempt to resurrect Jack, and the Navy tries to control the Kraken. That'll be an interesting story right there.

I loved seeing Jack face the Kraken one-on-one, and if that wasn't enough, having Barbosa show up at the end was a shocker that made me want more. I can't wait for #3 to come out next year.

For those wanted to know when 3 comes out, they said it'd be around Memorial Day next year. Memorial Day itself next year is May 30, but it's being observed May 28, so I see it being released either on May 30 (some movies do do Wednesday releases after all) or on May 25.

SilentBat18

07-23-2006, 12:47 AM

FireStarterLE

07-23-2006, 02:43 AM

is it just me or at first glance do all those guys just look like a bunch on convicts?

I'm guess those tentacles had to have been real when Will was going for the key otherwise he either had to do a good bit of guessing or they helped him out with some object replacing it with tentacles using CG

Sharklady

07-23-2006, 09:33 PM

> Bootstrap hadn't been cursed because he only took 1 piece. <

Bootstrap *was* cursed- that's why he didn't die when his shipmates chained him to a cannon & sunk him to the bottom of the sea. And why he got so despondent about it that he agreed to join Davy Jones' crew, in exchange for being unchained.

As Will returned the coin (with the requisite 'blood sacrifice') in the 1st movie, Bootstrap is presumably free of *that* curse. Now his problem is being indentured to Captain Jones. (Which, you may recall, is why Will made that effort to claim the chest; he wanted to use Davy Jones' heart to bargain for his father's freedom.) It will be interesting to see how that situation gets resolved in the 3rd movie.

Paul_Cousins

07-23-2006, 11:51 PM

As Will returned the coin (with the requisite 'blood sacrifice') in the 1st movie, Bootstrap is presumably free of *that* curse. Now his problem is being indentured to Captain Jones. (Which, you may recall, is why Will made that effort to claim the chest; he wanted to use Davy Jones' heart to bargain for his father's freedom.) It will be interesting to see how that situation gets resolved in the 3rd movie.Actually, Will wants to kill Davy Jones to save his father from being a servant to Davy Jones for the rest of eternity (remember that betting game in the middle of the movie).

Peter Paltridge

07-24-2006, 01:30 AM

Well, today was 101 degrees, so I finally saw Dead Man's Chest. I'm sure I'm the very last one in the TZ community, but I wasn't the last one in Portland.....that theater room was uncomfortably packed.

People have been saying bad things about the movie but I didn't see anything bad about it. It's not #1 but it comes pretty close. The best sequels are those that expand the characters and the world in a good way, and I think this did its job. My only gripe would be Davy Jones' ship being a little too depressing. And that's just picking nits.

At least admit that big three-way sword fight was worth the ten bucks. COME ON. That was just a riot. And they found even more gags to milk from the ride--the prisoners begging for SWANN was equally awesome. (I bet in the revised version in twenty years, they replace her with a big hamburger.)

If there was anything unpleasant, it was the fact that a generic alien trailer ended up saying "TRANSFORMERS" at the end. Crud, no--I'm sure Michael Bay didn't grow up with these so he should NOT make a movie from them just because a studio wants to capitalize on the 80's. It just looked shallow.
And to put that in perspective, I was also treated to a trailer where the statues and mannequins in the Natural History Museum come to life and attack Will Ferrell (or some other farty actor), and I thought the Transformers trailer was worse.

Sharklady

07-24-2006, 02:03 PM

> My only gripe would be Davy Jones' ship being a little too depressing. <

It's *supposed* to be depressing! If Davy's crew was having a jolly time, Jack wouldn't be so desperate to avoid becoming a member, and Will wouldn't be so intent on getting his Dad out.

> Actually, Will wants to kill Davy Jones to save his father from being a servant to Davy Jones for the rest of eternity (remember that betting game in the middle of the movie). <

Whichever. At this point, I suspect that by the end of the 3rd film, Jones will be sushi. Who'll do him in is anybody's guess.

SilentBat18

07-24-2006, 02:30 PM

Whichever. At this point, I suspect that by the end of the 3rd film, Jones will be sushi. Who'll do him in is anybody's guess.

What if Elizabeth ended up responsible for killing Davy, huh? wouldnt that be interesting....

mwcafac19

07-24-2006, 02:41 PM

the beginning with Elizabeth sitting there with a boquet staring deep into space... freaked me out, everything else was pretty good. I gave it 4 1/2 stars

MR.MXYZPTLK

07-24-2006, 03:43 PM

This is what people loved so much!? This!? Its not bad but its a real dissapoointing. There were some great special effects and some interesting designs, but thats about it. Captain Jack was the only charachter I cared for, and some scenes were not needed. The kraken also annoyed me. Very scary beast but when we saw it for a second time it seemed alot less impressive.

Ok, maybe I'm just annoyed because it did better than SupermanReturns but still!

SilentBat18

07-24-2006, 04:18 PM

nope nope... ur just annoyed it did way better than superman :p :D the entire movie was awesome and the CGI only made it better; i was on the edge of my seat the entire time... thats right 2.5 hours of heart pounding stuff... well to me at least, but still it was AWESOME!

Sr.Infierno

07-24-2006, 04:20 PM

MR.MXYZPTLK

07-24-2006, 06:01 PM

nope nope... ur just annoyed it did way better than superman :p :D !

Your probably right but there are people who agree with me. It wasn't a bad movie I just didn't enjoy it... :/

DarkAngel

07-24-2006, 07:37 PM

Your probably right but there are people who agree with me. It wasn't a bad movie I just didn't enjoy it... :/
Actually, I would say it's definitely a bad movie. It was an enjoyable experience (at times), but as a movie, it failed. It lacked coherence and clarity. It offered nothing in the way of substance. It missed a lot of opportunities for greatness. And, it barely did anything to set up for the next one.

I really feel like I was swindled out of my money with this one. The writers found a clever way to do nothing at all and justify it ("hey, this is just the middle chapter of the trilogy, folks. All the answers are in the next one."). The problem is, if they're leaving nearly everything for the next movie, then this movie's existence is pointless. With a 2 hr, 30 minute length, there was more than enough time to give us something of substance.

How about some background on Davy Jones and the Flying Dutchman explaining how he came to be the way he is? Perhaps through flashbacks. I mean, he's supposed to be the villain, right? Why not make him one? Or how about providing more detail on the initial encounter between Jack and Jones, again perhaps with flashback. How about properly setting up (and then building upon) for Elizabeth's surprising move against Jack toward the end of the film? Why not give us some glimpse into Lord Beckett's nefarious plan (if it exists), something to get us really anticipating and dreading the threat posed for the next movie? Heck, couldn't they have given us any kind of evil plot/scheme? I mean, there wasn't much in the way of villainy occuring in the movie at all.

All we got was a bunch of characters chasing after the heart of Davy Jones with little reason provided for us to care at all. Yeah, there was humor. And action. But if that's all they're interested in providing, then why set this up as the first half of a bigger story (which as of now doesn't seem to really exist)? Why not instead just have it be a stand alone so that they can give us all this humor and action with an actual plot and ending. They could then still do a third movie after that. And both would probably be better for it.

Freedom Fighter

07-28-2006, 06:01 AM

Saw this last weekend while on vacation visiting relatives (wow, watching a movie in a theater... that's like a once or twice a year thing for me now). I will give the movie credit on two things. One, that even though I did not see the first movie, 'Dead Man's Chest' was very easy to follow... and that was even with very little recap of said previous movie. Two, there were some really scary scenes in this movie, pretty much all of the ones with 'Davy Jones and the Ghost Pirates' (as I'll call them, don't know their real names other than the cap'n, unfortunately)... definitely spooked me a few times.

The thing is, the movie did kind of drag by at parts, and, oh, not really a negative, but I just couldn't get used to the way Jack runs comically. Especially the first time I see him doing so, when he's trying to escape the natives who want to sacrifice him... can he really be outrunning them doing that?

Don't think this makes me want to see the first one, but it was still decently enjoyable for a 2-1/2 hour film. 3.5 stars out of 5.