Cartoon haters: Obsessed with Drama/Sex?

[Antiyonder]

An opinion I've been meaning to get of my chest, in light of cheeno's post.

No denying that a huge number of people critisize toon viewers as losers/geeks. Is it because they just don't like cartoons? Or is it because the majority of American Toons lack:

Nudity
Sex
Drugs
Profanity
Intense Suicidal Drama
Heavy Realisim

I'm willing to bet that if these contents were in cartoons, people wouldn't be quick to critisize.

Infact if someone gives you a hard time about watching cartoons, just respond by saying:
"You don't bother me about your cartoons and I won't bother you about your porn.

[Bubblegum Girl]

Well isn't what Adult Swim is for? But then again, they don't show nudity...

[Ickis]

"You don't bother me about your cartoons and I won't bother you about your porn." Thats a decent quote, I'll try to remember it, that way I can use it at school.

[cheeno]

Well, my elder sister(who is in college) kept me bugging about watching this Spider-man TAS cartoon,which had nothing to do with life.But then X-M:E came out and the first episode she saw was the " shadowed dance" featuring high school dance,she liked it,(the drama) and always watched the show with me whenever its' on.So u see,people generally hate cartoons for being into stupid violence,action and lame dialogues(thats what they think).A little flash on drama would attract more viewers.:)

[Master Moron]

An opinion I've been meaning to get of my chest, in light of cheeno's post.

No denying that a huge number of people critisize toon viewers as losers/geeks. Is it because they just don't like cartoons? Or is it because the majority of American Toons lack:

Nudity
Sex
Drugs
Profanity
Intense Suicidal Drama
Heavy Realisim

I'm willing to bet that if these contents were in cartoons, people wouldn't be quick to critisize.


Ummm...anime has most of that stuff and many anime fans are made fun of too.



Infact if someone gives you a hard time about watching cartoons, just respond by saying:
"You don't bother me about your cartoons and I won't bother you about your porn.

But...then they wouldn't let me watch their porn...

[Golgo13]

An opinion I've been meaning to get of my chest, in light of cheeno's post.

No denying that a huge number of people critisize toon viewers as losers/geeks. Is it because they just don't like cartoons? Or is it because the majority of American Toons lack:

Nudity
Sex
Drugs
Profanity
Intense Suicidal Drama
Heavy Realisim

I'm willing to bet that if these contents were in cartoons, people wouldn't be quick to critisize.

Infact if someone gives you a hard time about watching cartoons, just respond by saying:
"You don't bother me about your cartoons and I won't bother you about your porn.

I think it is just because they plain hate cartoons. Think about it. If more cartoons had all those lacking elements, would they like it? I got the feeling that is the new reason they would dislike cartoons.

I know I'll probably come back to this a billion times, but that Adult Swim promo about why people don't like cartoons is just a riot:
Cartoons are fake, they are not real, and they are not funny.

[JDNobodi]

One problem is cartoons are viewed as a child play thing. If an adult is still viewing cartoons, that person is viewed as immature.

Making cartoons more mature doesn't help, because some people feel it's inappropriate for a children's show.

Cartoon fans are damned one way or the other.:sad:

[Jave]

Infact if someone gives you a hard time about watching cartoons, just respond by saying:
"You don't bother me about your cartoons and I won't bother you about your porn.But what if they don't look at porn either? I'll be making a fool of myself with that comment.

[spidl]

If you wanted to watch a non-comedy or super-hero American Animated show you will have a long search on your hands. There are a lot of people who like that kind of programming.

[Prophet Wing]

Somehow, this reminds me of the one-time existence of a cartoon by Ralph Bakshi, called "Spicy City", which had majority of those elements in it, or so I'm told.

[Scirel]

If you wanted to watch a non-comedy or super-hero American Animated show you will have a long search on your hands. There are a lot of people who like that kind of programming.

A non-comedy/superhero american show? does such a thing exist?

Anyway, as MM said, anime has those things and anime fans are made fun of too, so that dosen`t work. What I find hypocritical is fans of cartoons from one country making fun of fans of cartoons from another. That's the definition of hypocrisy.

[RonDrakenfan17]

[quote=Master Moron]Ummm...anime has most of that stuff and many anime fans are made fun of too.

quote]

Really? Becuase there was this anime convention going on near by DisneyLand in California and people were walking in costumes of there favorite shows, from what I saw no one was making fun of them. But than again I was in a car with my family and couldn't hear a thing outside LOL. Any who my sister and mother make fun of my obssesions with Danny Phantom/Kim Possible/American Dragon Jake Long err um what were we talking about? :D

[Peter Paltridge]

One problem is cartoons are viewed as a child play thing. If an adult is still viewing cartoons, that person is viewed as immature.

Making cartoons more mature doesn't help, because some people feel it's inappropriate for a children's show.

Cartoon fans are damned one way or the other.:sad:
What is this, 1983?

There are a lot of adult cartoons now and several are mainstream. The "breakthrough" begun by Roger Rabbit and The Simpsons has never reversed itself, and it'd take a lot of garbage for animation to slink back into the shadows again.

Now comic books, THERE'S a damning situation.

[JDNobodi]

What is this, 1983?

There are a lot of adult cartoons now and several are mainstream. The "breakthrough" begun by Roger Rabbit and The Simpsons has never reversed itself, and it'd take a lot of garbage for animation to slink back into the shadows again. It might as well be because I know people like that, and I'm related to most of them.:p

Anyway, I know they don't like mature cartoons for the reasons I've stated.

[Elven Moon]

There are some (stupid) people who think, just because something is animated, it's appropriate for their 7-year-old. And when they rent/buy these things and find out otherwise, and freak out and "OMG!11sue!!1" it just messes things up. Well, they should stick to their Disney stuff, and leave the other stuff to evolve and thrive.

[Anthonynotes]

A few of my coworkers *really* hate cartoons (or anything fantasy themed, such as science fiction), but are still avid fans of soap operas (since they still involve live-action actors as the justification, despite pointing out that some of the plots aren't much more far-fetched than the idea of a guy in a bat-costume beating up an insane clown...).

[spidl]

What is this, 1983?

There are a lot of adult cartoons now and several are mainstream. The "breakthrough" begun by Roger Rabbit and The Simpsons has never reversed itself, and it'd take a lot of garbage for animation to slink back into the shadows again.

Now comic books, THERE'S a damning situation.

Those are still comedies. Outside of Anime there is nothing for American audience that have drama in that doesn't have the protagonist wearing a cape.

[Zinal]

Most of the stuff in Adult Swim has a lot of those stuff.

[Gokou Ruri]

Those are still comedies. Outside of Anime there is nothing for American audience that have drama in that doesn't have the protagonist wearing a cape. If Americans want drama, they usually watch live-action shows; if only because human actors can show better emotions and reactions than cartoons can. That's just the way it works.

[Hordesman]

If Americans want drama, they usually watch live-action shows; if only because human actors can show better emotions and reactions than cartoons can. That's just the way it works.

You're more likely to see an animated drama in Japan, because it'll probably look better and be more managable than it would in live action over there. Might even be cheaper.

[Gokou Ruri]

You're more likely to see an animated drama in Japan, because it'll probably look better and be more managable than it would in live action over there. Might even be cheaper. Exactly, it's pretty much the opposite for most countries.

[maczero]

Infact if someone gives you a hard time about watching cartoons, just respond by saying:
"You don't bother me about your cartoons and I won't bother you about your porn.Um....won't work for me. I watch both.:D

Seriously cartooons showcasing any or all the topics you mentioned isn't go to change the mainstream's view of cartoons. It's easier to accept that fans of cartoons, comic books and to a lesser degree sci-fi are considered immature, geeky or just plain weird. If you know that you're none of these things, then you really shouldn't care what close minded types think of your hobbies. Although, I'm kind of hypocrite when it comes this subject. Whenever I have new people over, I usually hide my Justice League DVD collection and comics.:)

[Anarky]

perhaps many decades from now, animation will become a widely respected medium as it is in Japan.

in the here & now, an overwhelming % of the American populace will continue to view cartoons as kids' stuff. Studios will continue to produce allegorical tales featuring cute, chatterbox creatures/inanimate objects because that's what sells in the States. I might have amnesia but the last animated feature I can recall that was purely serious was Final Fantasy. How well did that do?

I'm the first to admit that I find pure drama in animation to be quite boring. [as] was pimping Witch Hunter Robin a few yrs back and I was intrigued by the previews. I found the show to be a total bore though...but that was just one program. For a dramatic animated series to be truly successful it must appeal to American sensibilites: drama, a little cyncical humor, decent action, and just a dash of sexual content. A live-action sci-fi drama such as USA's The 4400 would probably be a tad more interesting if it were animated (improving special fx ten-fold given the superhuman abilities of the Returnees).

In the meantime we'll have the usual fare: wacky sitcoms, slapstick shorts, & superhero action programming.

King of the Hill is probably the closest thing to "reality" animation.