New Avengers #21 - 25 "New Avengers Disassembled" Talkback (Spoilers)

[Spider-Man]

The Civil War is on and no book at Marvel will be more affected than NEW AVENGERS!

THE NEW AVENGERS #21

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WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis
PENCILS: Howard Chaykin

THE STORY: CIVIL WAR TIE-IN! "New Avengers: Dissasembled Book 1." You think Marvel would never screw with their top selling book? Wrong!! The Avengers are about to go to war over their beliefs and the shake up will shock you. Each stand-alone issue of this storyline will be illustrated by a genuine comics superstar, and this issue marks the triumphant return of one of comic’s modern masters to the hallowed halls of Marvel Comics. Howard Chaykin, a true hero to Avengers writer Bendis, illustrates this issue told from Captain America’s unique point of view as he is forced to form a new band of hoeroes who will fight on his side of the CIVIL WAR!

Comments? What are your thoughts?

[halinar]

Not too impressed. The art was a big shock over what has been in the book before. What's up with the giant rectangle faces on everyone??

This fight between Pym and Cap was overshadowed by their tussle in Ultimates many years ago.

Lets see how the book does sales wise now that the token spiderman and wolverine appearances are gone (for the time being at least).

Young avengers was much better than the adult version this month.

[Moto Pete]

It really only need to be 4-5 pages, the first 20 were waste

The Art wasn't bad, but the story better get better next issue

[Spider-Man]

I had a couple problems with this issue. It seemed like it could have been told in less pages but I don't mind too much. Even though his art is rushed it was nice to see Howard Chaykin draw Captain America. There's some absolutely brutal looking about his rendition of Captain America. My main problem is that this doesn't really feel like Captain America. Maybe it's not supposed to because Captain America is thrown into this situation he never thought he'd find himself in but his complaining just seems so out of character. The issue does get better when The Falcon joins and there's a nice little action sequence at the end with Pym. A mixed effort and it seems a little off but not too bad. I hope the later "Disassembled" stories are better.

[spidl]

I didn't enjoy this book. What could have been a great story only showcases how Bendis is at writing for Cap and The Falcon.

[Fett One]

Is it just me or is anybody else wondering where Cap got the shield that he was using to fight the S.H.I.E.L.D agents? A few panels earlier you can clearly see that his shield and costume are across the room from him, while he is sitting at the table. The S.H.I.E.L.D agents surround him while he is still at the table, so how did he suddenly have his shield?

[Spider-Man]

NEW AVENGERS #22

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WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis
PENCILS: Leinil Francis Yu

THE STORY: CIVIL WAR Tie-in! NEW AVENGERS DISSASEMBLED continues!
Brian Bendis teams up, for the first time, with comics superstar Leinil Yu to tell the story that no one thought would ever be told. . It’s brother against brother as Luke Cage is forced to take sides in the super hero Civil War!! With a new wife and baby hanging in the balance, what will Cage do?

Comments? What are your thoughts?

[halinar]

Gaak! I thought the art in the last issue was bad. This was nasty. I'm not sure if I'll make it though civil war with out dropping this book the way it looks.

[ifthismeansevos]

I think the story wasn't bad well for someone like me without experience with Cage it's a good issue to feel simpathy for the character. Yep the art is weird but at least is not Generation M

[Xurk]

Story: ****
Art: ** 1/2

I enjoyed this issue a lot more than the whole previous arc of this book, it was written well :) Luke and Jessica provided us with some very good arguments against registration, while Tony and Carol provided us zero...
I also loved the neighborhood pitching in on Luke's side of the fight, the sudden appearance of the "Secret" Avengers and the filming of the whole fight by the 'hood kids [I have a feeling that tape is going to be used in favor of the anti-reg side somewhere along the line].
It had kind of an epic feel to it :)

The art was sporadically alright, which doesn't cut it for one of Marvel's top-selling books, quite frankly. It was too confusing to look at, at times, and I'm not a fan of "sketchy" artwork. Also notice in the first scene, Ms. Marvel has the white eyepieces one panel, in the very next panel she has no eye pieces :confused:

[Spider-Man]

I thought this was a good issue even though some of the dialogue seemed really forced at times, and I found Luke Cage's comparison to what happened inthe 1950's to be ridiculous. A fine issue over all with some good art even if it was a bit uneven at times. I like how the arc is shaping up though knowing what happens to Captain America and his "team" in Civil War #3 I can't help but see this arc as a bit tragic. Once Civil War is over in the title I'm not sure if I'll be staying with the comic or moving on.

[Stu]

New issue hits stands today!


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The team behind last year’s mega blockbuster HOUSE OF M reunites for a startling important chapter in the CIVIL WAR, the history of the New Avengers and the life of this year’s break-out star Spider-Woman.
Straddling the world’s of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Hydra as a double agent for Nick Fury isn’t going to fly in the middle of a war, and Jessica is going to find this out the hard way. It’s the end of the road for Jessica Drew, and where she ends up will shock you. An important lead-in book for the upcoming SPIDER-WOMAN ongoing debuting after CIVIL WAR!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

Comments?

[wonderfly]

This issue was nowhere near as good as last issue, (the Luke Cage issue) but it does feature beautiful artwork by Oliver Coipel! I'm always up for seeing whatever he's drawing these days.

On the other hand, this story illustrates one of my problems with Bendis's style of storytelling: ridiculously abrupt resolutions to long running plots. The whole "Jessica Drew is a triple agent, working for SHIELD, Hydra, AND the Avengers" has been set up since the 1st issue of New Avengers, and instead of seeing a natural progression and resolution of that storyline, Civil War occurs, and Bendis decides it's time to toss that plot out the window.

Once again, Iron Man comes across as a total jerk, ratting Jessica out to Agent Hill, and all because he "doesn't have time for her games". I swear, I was ready for Jessica to truly sign up as the head of Hydra at the end, (in fact, with all the crap she's been through, I'd find it much more believable for her to become a villian than, say, the Scarlet Witch...though admitedly, Wanda's not a true villian, she's just insane now). But really, I would've liked to have seen a progression of the Hydra plot, and I think having her sign up as the new Madame Hydra would've been a way to continue with that. But no, the story went in the typical direction by having Jessica join the resistance, (Iron Man practically handed her over to Captain America).

So in review: Nice dialogue scenes, nice action sequences, I just didn't care for the plot.

[solarflere]

This issue was nowhere near as good as last issue, (the Luke Cage issue) but it does feature beautiful artwork by Oliver Coipel! I'm always up for seeing whatever he's drawing these days.

On the other hand, this story illustrates one of my problems with Bendis's style of storytelling: ridiculously abrupt resolutions to long running plots. The whole "Jessica Drew is a triple agent, working for SHIELD, Hydra, AND the Avengers" has been set up since the 1st issue of New Avengers, and instead of seeing a natural progression and resolution of that storyline, Civil War occurs, and Bendis decides it's time to toss that plot out the window.

Once again, Iron Man comes across as a total jerk, ratting Jessica out to Agent Hill, and all because he "doesn't have time for her games". I swear, I was ready for Jessica to truly sign up as the head of Hydra at the end, (in fact, with all the crap she's been through, I'd find it much more believable for her to become a villian than, say, the Scarlet Witch...though admitedly, Wanda's not a true villian, she's just insane now). But really, I would've liked to have seen a progression of the Hydra plot, and I think having her sign up as the new Madame Hydra would've been a way to continue with that. But no, the story went in the typical direction by having Jessica join the resistance, (Iron Man practically handed her over to Captain America).

So in review: Nice dialogue scenes, nice action sequences, I just didn't care for the plot.I liked the plot in this issue. It seemed more "real" now that fury is not around. If you remember, Hill is outing all of Fury's loyalists, including Agent Daisy Johnson. And Drew was never a villain at heart. She always had good intentions even though she had every opportunity to seize Hidra's power for herself.

[Xurk]

I thought this issue was very convincing on a personal level. By the end when Jessica begs to be taken in by Cap, I could really feel her pain and realized how screwed she was.

That aside, I also found Tony to be way to harsh, especially the "I only put up with you because...", "No more time for your games", ouch!
Wonderfly might have a point with Bendis using the occasion to wrap up the dangling storyline of Jessica's though...

[wonderfly]

I thought this issue was very convincing on a personal level. By the end when Jessica begs to be taken in by Cap, I could really feel her pain and realized how screwed she was.

That aside, I also found Tony to be way to harsh, especially the "I only put up with you because...", "No more time for your games", ouch!

Bendis has a reaccuring theme of heroes having falling outs with one another, which usually results in one character being sympathized with, while the other comes across as a complete jerk. Frankly, I think it'd be more interesting if he could do a better job of showing both characters as sympathetic. But his narrative style is focused on showing the world through the eyes of a "lead" character, (like Jessica Jones in Alias, and Matt Murdock in Daredevil). What Bendis perhaps forgets is that the Avengers is a team book, and we're supposed to like ALL of the cast, (yes, I know that this story arc is a collection of different individual's solo stories, but still).



Wonderfly might have a point with Bendis using the occasion to wrap up the dangling storyline of Jessica's though...

Yeah, it was like Bendis was saying, "Okay, Civil War plotline overrules 'Jessica's a Triple Agent' plotline, and so let's just call the whole thing off!" Which is kinda weak, if you think about it.

I really would've liked to have seen Jessica take over Hydra, (wierd to find I'm cheering for a character to become a villian)...

Still, I loved the artwork for this issue, (and think it's a good idea to be using different artists with each issue). ;)

[ifthismeansevos]

Well I was waitin Jessica to become leader. guys I know this may sound silly but what's up with Hydra I mean it was handled by Von Strucker like two years ago he died (Well He didn't as far as I know) Then Viper helped Xcalibur kinna but she wasn't that evil then and now she's again the head of Hydra? This confussion it's the result of readin ol comics in spanish or new comics in spanish from a year ago or so and don't know exactly when that happened. For Example What happened first New Avengers or Enemy of the State I though it was New but I'm not sure and I'm confused can someone clear a lil of this mess?

Back in topic at the end she ends up with C America cryin and I'm sad for her but happy overall but ur right I'd hate Iron-man anyway buit Bendis nor Millar nor any wrtiter of CW does something for him I guess they are waitin the Iron-man story line.

[spidl]

I liked this issue. The ending was really good, but the beginning was very confusing. An Emp pulse knocks Iron Man is this the best you can do, Bendis? He is Iron Man for Pete's sake you would think he has emp proofed his armor.

I buy the bringing in of Spider-Woman. She is not trustworthy, and Cap was the reason she remained on the team.

[solarflere]

I liked this issue. The ending was really good, but the beginning was very confusing. An Emp pulse knocks Iron Man is this the best you can do, Bendis? He is Iron Man for Pete's sake you would think he has emp proofed his armor.

I buy the bringing in of Spider-Woman. She is not trustworthy, and Cap was the reason she remained on the team.Hidra are no idiots, they knew Iron Man was there. They have enough money to buy some high tech EMP from A.I.M lest say. They said they "rigged" an EMP so it would affect him as well.

[Xurk]

Whoops, a bit late, but... we get another Civil War POV from another member of the (Ex?) New Avengers...

NEW AVENGERS #24

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WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis
PENCILs: Adi Granov

THE STORY: CIVIL WAR TIE-IN!
New Avengers dissassembled continues!! (4 of 5)
He has the power of a thousand exploding suns!! He has the power to end the civil war! Who’s side are you on?? More like who’s side is THE SENTRY on?? A choice is made!!! This issue ties New Avengers, House of M, Civil War and Son of M together! Be there for this very important chapter fully painted by the amazing Adi Granov! Guest-starring the Inhumans!!!

Thoughts? What are your comments?

[Somejerk]

I liked this issue, I feel like Bendis brings a perspective to the Civil War conflict, he doesn't paint Iron Man as a total psycho Facisist, just kind of a jerk (which Tony could be anyway)

Sentry was one of the few huge power players they hadn't dealt with yet.
I am curious though why were the inhumans so unhospitable?

[Sage Shinigami]

(which Tony could be anyway)


I'm starting to wonder if the whole point of Civil War isn't to just make every Marvel fan hate Tony Stark. :sad: The whole, "There is no "right" side" argument went out the window when every writer involved refused to give a decent reason as to why the Superhero Registration Act is worth two cents aside from, "heroes should be paid for the work they do". I just want to know what Bendis has against Tony to make him so OOC. Was it just that he couldn't think of any other big name heroes that would be for it?

[ifthismeansevos]

Well I can't wait for the silent war right now neither the CW5.
Good issue overall.
One more issue and Hawkeye will be back I can't believe it!

[En Sabah Nur]

I am curious though why were the inhumans so unhospitable?They have a history of being agressive, and since they declared War on the human race, they see a most powerfull human (Sentry) sitting at their doorstep. So its obvious they would attack.

And yes, I am looking forward to Silent War as well, and lets not forget World War Hulk.

[guerillacropoli]

Sentry's character is really starting to wear thin for me. He's scared, I get it, but apparently he can't make his own decisions either. He finally showed some independence to try to avoid CW, but came running as soon as Iron Man found him.

Anybody else notice that pro-registration side has both Sentry and Thor now? That's two powerhouses, but I really doubt Sentry will fight when it comes down to it. If he does, it'll be totally OOC.

[En Sabah Nur]

Sentry's character is really starting to wear thin for me. He's scared, I get it, but apparently he can't make his own decisions either. He finally showed some independence to try to avoid CW, but came running as soon as Iron Man found him.

Anybody else notice that pro-registration side has both Sentry and Thor now? That's two powerhouses, but I really doubt Sentry will fight when it comes down to it. If he does, it'll be totally OOC.He fought Wolverine. i don't see him fighting others, if he commits that is. I think he is afraid of Iron Man, the way Tony defeated him so easily in Iron Man 11, just by hacking Cloc.

[Sage Shinigami]

Sentry's character is really starting to wear thin for me. He's scared, I get it, but apparently he can't make his own decisions either. He finally showed some independence to try to avoid CW, but came running as soon as Iron Man found him.

Anybody else notice that pro-registration side has both Sentry and Thor now? That's two powerhouses, but I really doubt Sentry will fight when it comes down to it. If he does, it'll be totally OOC.

Thor's pro? Ugh. I hate CW more and more...

[En Sabah Nur]

Thor's pro? Ugh. I hate CW more and more...Its not Thor. Its Clor (Or thats how we call him on other forums). Reed and Stark cloned Thor from a hair of his, and use him as a machine. We don't know what stance the real Thor will take, or what he will do about his fake, impersonating a god should have severe punishments.

[Sage Shinigami]

Its not Thor. Its Clor (Or thats how we call him on other forums). Reed and Stark cloned Thor from a hair of his, and use him as a machine. We don't know what stance the real Thor will take, or what he will do about his fake, impersonating a god should have severe punishments.


......................This is becoming less and less in character as I listen to people tell me about it.

[En Sabah Nur]

......................This is becoming less and less in character as I listen to people tell me about it.You can't critisize something that you never read. Civil War happans to be one of the best Marvel crossover events in history of Marvel. Try doing some independant reading.

[Sage Shinigami]

You can't critisize something that you never read.

The hell I can't.




Civil War happans to be one of the best Marvel crossover events in history of Marvel. Try doing some independant reading.

Just says how much Marvel crossovers suck. DC's Genesis back in...96, I think it was, stomps this.

Come on. Let's be serious. Reed and Stark are two of Marvel's foremost thinkers and inventors, and wouldn't hand over a single destructive invention they made up to the government in a billion years and yet they're all for forcing superheroes to join the little Superhero Registration Act? Ridiculous. I'll say it again and again: Civil War in general has been pointless because I've yet to see any other argument in favor of the registration act that makes sense other than heroes getting paid. Even then they shouldn't have the right to just hunt down superheroes; that's no better than the witch hunts.

Just from what I've seen in X-Factor is enough to me to rail against CW from now till it and the Silent War are over. But hey, if you enjoy it, continue on.

[En Sabah Nur]

Come on. Let's be serious. Reed and Stark are two of Marvel's foremost thinkers and inventors, and wouldn't hand over a single destructive invention they made up to the government in a billion years and yet they're all for forcing superheroes to join the little Superhero Registration Act? Ridiculous. I'll say it again and again: Civil War in general has been pointless because I've yet to see any other argument in favor of the registration act that makes sense other than heroes getting paid. Even then they shouldn't have the right to just hunt down superheroes; that's no better than the witch hunts.
You talk as if you read every single issue and tie-in. You didn't, but I did. CW has a lot going for it. But since you refuse to read it and choose to criticize it by what others tell you, your opinion of it counts as much as a 5 year olds.

[Sage Shinigami]

You talk as if you read every single issue and tie-in. You didn't, but I did. CW has a lot going for it. But since you refuse to read it and choose to criticize it by what others tell you, your opinion of it counts as much as a 5 year olds.

I decline giving my money or my bandwidth to this story. As far as my opinion...whether I'd read it or not it wouldn't change your mind on how "good" the story is so the insult...was it necessary? :)

I'll come back to Avengers when its good again.

[En Sabah Nur]

I decline giving my money or my bandwidth to this story. As far as my opinion...whether I'd read it or not it wouldn't change your mind on how "good" the story is so the insult...was it necessary? :)

I'll come back to Avengers when its good again.No it wan't, and I was not trying to be insulting, but judging a book by its cover.... but wait, you don't even see the covers of the comic books. Do you see where I am going with this? There are people who hate the crossover, I can't change their minds, nor will I want to, because they read the books and didn't like them. I can't understand how can a person hate something they never read or saw?

[wonderfly]

Guys, everyone needs to keep this in mind: It's okay to discuss the funny books; do so to your heart's content. But DO NOT resort to personal attacks against one another.

[Sage Shinigami]

No it wan't, and I was not trying to be insulting, but judging a book by its cover.... but wait, you don't even see the covers of the comic books. Do you see where I am going with this? There are people who hate the crossover, I can't change their minds, nor will I want to, because they read the books and didn't like them. I can't understand how can a person hate something they never read or saw?

What I don't understand is how someone can read page after page of discussion, read user reviews, read "professional reviews" (as professional as comic reviewers get at least), and read Wiki articles and STILL apparently need to actually read it before their opinion counts for anything. See, I'm not going to buy it because buying it and then saying you don't like it? Counts for crap. They'll just keep letting Bendis do whatever he wants with the universe. Thus, I'll stay away until I hear a concept or review that I like. Which definitely won't be anything from NA or the coming comic book focused on pro-registration heroes only. :shrug::shrug: If only Johns had stayed writing this....

[En Sabah Nur]

What I don't understand is how someone can read page after page of discussion, read user reviews, read "professional reviews" (as professional as comic reviewers get at least), and read Wiki articles and STILL apparently need to actually read it before their opinion counts for anything. See, I'm not going to buy it because buying it and then saying you don't like it? Counts for crap. They'll just keep letting Bendis do whatever he wants with the universe. Thus, I'll stay away until I hear a concept or review that I like. Which definitely won't be anything from NA or the coming comic book focused on pro-registration heroes only. :shrug::shrug: If only Johns had stayed writing this....If you didin't know, Thor was a clone, and the info was released in CW4, which is way back when, you could not have read all that much.

[Sage Shinigami]

If you didin't know, Thor was a clone, and the info was released in CW4, which is way back when, you could not have read all that much.

I've heard a lot, but I keep blocking stuff out so I don't send death threats to Marvel. :)

[Icer]

As if the Sentry couldnt get any worse. Thy master has requested your assistance lap dog

[guerillacropoli]

I don't think you should have to read every single issue of a company wide crossover in order to be able to enjoy it. If Marvel's releasing a book called "Civil War," it should be an independent reading, and use editor's notes if it includes an essential reference to another book.

See, Marvel wants all of its readers to collect every single crossover book, and the readers that do are the reason that we have to wade through these practically every year. My opinion is, if it's a good universe-wide event, it should be able to be read as one continuous, self-contained storyline, spanning about a year's worth of stories.

That's not a close-minded opinion, that's an opinion of someone who can afford about $25 worth of comics, and about 2-3 hours of reading every month. I shouldn't have to sacrifice my budget or my time to invest heavily in a storyline that appears mediocre judging from the main arc.

What's frustrating for me is that so many of my favorite books get sidetracked for their arc relating to the event, with only minimal changes that take place down the road. Seriously, if it's not a mutant book, the only reference "House of M" ever gets is a throwaway joke about an annoying mutant not being one of the one's that lost their powers. That's how I feel about the New Avengers. This book was really coming into its own, but because of Civil War, the assembled cast only got to fight together in just a few arcs. Jessica's double agent storyline was way more interesting than seeing the Sentry fighting the Inhumans on the moon, IMO.

[wonderfly]

Yeah, this story had much potential, up until the point where Iron Man came in and yanked the Sentry back into the Civil War plotline. I enjoyed the Inhumans plotline which was set up back in "Son of M" and having the Sentry and Crystal become romantically entangled would certainly be of interest...

And just like with last issue, where Iron Man told Jessica, "I've got no time for your games", we once again have another depiction of Iron Man as a jerk this issue. Next issue should be intriguing, as it's actually focused on Iron Man alone...maybe we'll see a depiction of Iron Man that's actually flattering?!?

[Somejerk]

I do think that it shouldn't be necessary to buy every single issue of a crossover event.

I tried tha twith The Infinity Gauntlet when I wasa kid, and it was alot of money for many stories that had little to no baring on the actual out come.

I think for CW all you truly need is Civil War, Civil War Frontline, Amazing Spidey, and MAYBE avengers

[spidl]

This issue sums up Bendi's run on Avengers. The premise was good, but nothing really happened. After 25 issues we are no closer to understanding The Sentry than we were during issue 1.

[Xurk]

The final part of this arc is on the stands today!

NEW AVENGERS #25

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WRITER: Brian Michael Bendis
PENCILS: Jim Cheung

THE STORY: CIVIL WAR Tie-In!
Tony Stark is gearing up for the final battle of the Civil War and he thinks he has it all under control. But Tony has made a fatal mistake and he will pay the price. The future of the Avengers begins here!!
Regular writer Brian Bendis welcomes very special guest artist Jimmy Cheung!

Thoughts? What are your comments?

[Hanshotfirst113]

I thought that the Avengers were already disassembled.

[Xurk]

That's why it's called "New Avengers Disassembled" :p

[ifthismeansevos]

I have to say this is the first time Hill resembles a human This issue made me hate her a lil less.
The Iron-man issue was good also.

[Xurk]

So the anti-matter generator was a hoax, or did it malfunction? At least the ex-employee was granted his wish of "not existing anymore"...

It was nice to have Tony a bit helpless for a while, as I'm really not liking his role in CW so far. Having several panels from his POV was neat though. As were the James Bondesque toys :)

[Hanshotfirst113]

That's why it's called "New Avengers Disassembled" :p

But aren't the New Avengers a reboot of the original? I really need to sop coming into this forum. It makes me feel so ignorant :p.

[wonderfly]

Once again, I really, REALLY don't believe that Bendis' writing is suited for a book like Avengers. It doesn't help that these last few issues have been stand alone story issues, (which are normally Bendis' strong point) but it's THE AVENGERS!!! This should be a book about a team, not about the solo adventure of Iron Man, or the solo adventure of the Sentry!

Yes, I know, the whole point of this story arc is that they are all Disassembled-they are no longer a team. But these stand alone tales just aren't to my taste. I mean, even though they're apart, they're still together on seperate sides. Captain America, Luke Cage, and Jessica Drew are on one side, the Sentry and Iron Man are on the other: tell a story of the two sides-a tale of TWO Avengers teams! Not this solo story stuff...

Perhaps a better way to have told this tale would've been similar to how Grant Morrison handled the "Seven Soldiers" storyline: They're all seperate individuals, each of whom has landed on seperate sides of the whole "Civil War" event, but they must come together, doing seperate yet equally important events to fight a great evil, yet still not being able to see eye to eye on the whole "registration" thing. And after the great evil is defeated, instead of saying, "We should unite together! From this day forward, we are the Avengers!", we end up with them still at each other's throats, and they go there seperate ways. Thus solidifying the theme of "Disassembled": They came together to fight an evil, but they don't remain a united team. Yeah, I think I would've liked that tale. As for what we got here: I really enjoyed the Luke Cage story, and enjoyed bits and pieces of all of the others, but when you look at this storyline as a whole...well, it's just not much of a storyline. And it's certainly not an AVENGERS storyline.

Be sure and place your votes gang! I give it a 2 out of 5.

And was that last page hinting at a new direction for Iron Man as a character? Are they seriously considering making Tony Stark the head of SHIELD?!?

[spidl]

Wonderfly said it best Bendis just does not fit on the Avengers. If Ms. Marvel and Wolverine can craft a compelling story while staying within the confines of this even surely Bendis could have. Nothing all that significant happened in any of the stories which is a real shame.

[guerillacropoli]

I don't know if it has so much to do with Bendis' writing as poor planning on the part of Marvel's editors. The team just wasn't together long enough before Civil War even started. What's the point of forming a big, epic team made up of non-conventional Avengers if they're only going to be together for about 20 issues? Bendis had to do something for Civil War, but you're right, a team arc may have still been best. I just wish Marvel had either just not formed the New Avengers, or waited until after Civil War to do it.

Iron Man as new Shield head would be incredibly boring. I mean, Fury as head of Shield was interesting because of all the cool spy gear he had, but it will never be surprising when Iron Man has a new "tech." Plus, he doesn't have as interesting an attitude or demeanor for the job. Tony is going to have to die, retire, etc. to have this retconned. Otherwise, every superhero is going to hate him after this story is finished.

[Ed Liu]

I don't know if it has so much to do with Bendis' writing as poor planning on the part of Marvel's editors. The team just wasn't together long enough before Civil War even started. What's the point of forming a big, epic team made up of non-conventional Avengers if they're only going to be together for about 20 issues?

I think you're working under the impression that Marvel was planning Civil War 20 issues/months ago. Personally, I don't think this was the case. I suspect that the planning for the crossover happened shortly after House of M tanked compared to Infinite Crisis and Marvel decided to retool after looking at what the two crossovers did differently. Bendis may have had different plans for New Avengers that didn't pan out.

For the record, I think they made up Infinite Crisis purely after the success of Identity Crisis, both of which were made up as they went along. Just because something is really, really big doesn't mean that it was planned ;).

-- Ed

[Hanshotfirst113]

For the record, I think they made up Infinite Crisis purely after the success of Identity Crisis, both of which were made up as they went along. Just because something is really, really big doesn't mean that it was planned ;).

-- Ed

Isn't that the truth?

[Hanshotfirst113]

I don't know if it has so much to do with Bendis' writing as poor planning on the part of Marvel's editors. The team just wasn't together long enough before Civil War even started. What's the point of forming a big, epic team made up of non-conventional Avengers if they're only going to be together for about 20 issues? Bendis had to do something for Civil War, but you're right, a team arc may have still been best. I just wish Marvel had either just not formed the New Avengers, or waited until after Civil War to do it.

Iron Man as new Shield head would be incredibly boring. I mean, Fury as head of Shield was interesting because of all the cool spy gear he had, but it will never be surprising when Iron Man has a new "tech." Plus, he doesn't have as interesting an attitude or demeanor for the job. Tony is going to have to die, retire, etc. to have this retconned. Otherwise, every superhero is going to hate him after this story is finished.

Yes, why are they messign with after it has only been there for a few issues? Doesn't that make the whole thing rathe pointless?

[jadrax]

For the record, I think they made up Infinite Crisis purely after the success of Identity Crisis, both of which were made up as they went along. Just because something is really, really big doesn't mean that it was planned ;).

-- Ed

Iirc Superman/Batman mentioned a Crisis was coming quite a bit before the lead up, so i think DC knew it was going to be doing something big. Although the fact that it overturned most of the effect of war games makes me think they dident really envision it being as big as it was in scope.