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Bird Boy

01-13-2002, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by Terminatah
The spoiler box works like all the other html. Place the tag "spoiler" before the spoiler material and the tag "/spoiler" at the end, except use the [square brackets] instead of the "quotation marks." It is especially useful when discussing episodes with surprise endings.

-Terminatah

After something is over a year old, usually spoiler-box's don't seem neccessary.

Sorry if it was spoiled for you, but, if you haven't seen it by now, I don't see a need to put up a spoiler box.

Anyway..one thing that bothers me about episodes...hmmm....crap, I can't think of one..it's been over a year since I saw any..lol

-BB

JTurner954

01-13-2002, 08:59 PM

I got one: When a villain says they have changed their life around (Poison Ivy, Riddler, Mr. Freeze in Batman Beyond) but end up being evil. Just once, I would like to see a villain be good all the way through an episode (if they turn evil in another episode, fine).

TheScarecrow

01-13-2002, 09:44 PM

My list...

1: Every episode of TNBA that had Joker in it because the way they originally redesigned him was crap. That bothered me.

2: Nothing left of Mr. Freeze except a talking head and a robotic suit.

3: Every minute of the episode entitled "Critters".

4: The episodes that Riddler was used as a backdrop, given nothing to do. What a waste of a good villain.

5: Catwoman being made into a wuss when it comes to fighting.

Terminatah

01-14-2002, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by Bird_Boy

After something is over a year old, usually spoiler-box's don't seem neccessary.

Sorry if it was spoiled for you, but, if you haven't seen it by now, I don't see a need to put up a spoiler box.

THAT IS THE ONLY REASON TO PUT UP A SPOILER BOX; IN CASE OTHER PEOPLE HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

I have seen that episode, so it wasn't a problem for me, but since that particular storyline had a surprise ending, I felt it was only common courtesy to stick the words in a spoiler box. It's not that big a hassle. Takes two seconds.

-Terminatah

Clayface

01-14-2002, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by thegame8866

One thing that always bothered me was in Over the Edge when Dick didn't seem to care all that much that Babs was dead. I mean I know it's her dream, but c'mon!

Well, the point of the episode was to show her greatest fears. And because of her obvious feelings toward Dick, one of her greatest fears would be that he wouldn't care if she were killed or not.

Clayface

01-14-2002, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by Terminatah

I have seen that episode, so it wasn't a problem for me, but since that particular storyline had a surprise ending, I felt it was only common courtesy to stick the words in a spoiler box. It's not that big a hassle. Takes two seconds.

According to the boards rule, this would not be considered spoiler material anymore. It would be silly to put something that old in a spoiler bracket.

DerekPowers

01-14-2002, 02:39 AM

seriously, i mean if you havent seen "over the edge" yet, then its your own fault. i mean, its like 4 years old already.

anyway, heres what i didnt like:

1. the way firefly was portrayed. his origin sucked.

2. lack of good penguin use in btas.

3. lack of a really defining joker ep.

4. lack of riddler use tnba.

thats really it. btas and tnba were near perfect, imo. peace.

Terminatah

01-14-2002, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by Clayface

According to the boards rule, this would not be considered spoiler material anymore. It would be silly to put something that old in a spoiler bracket.

Where exactly are these guidelines for what is or isn't a spoiler?

-Terminatah

The Dark Knight

01-14-2002, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by DerekPowers
3. lack of a really defining joker ep.

I thought Joker's Favor did a good job. It effectively portrayed his madness, and how he had no problem with tormenting some poor guy he didn’t even know just for a laugh.

I also thought that the Riddler, the Penguin, and Clayface were used very poorly in the TNBA. Actually, I can't think of one villain that was better in TNBA in comparison to B: TAS. Clayface seemed to lose his basic motivation. In Growing Pains he turned from someone who just wanted to be normal again into just some villain, with no underlying cause for what he was doing. The Riddler didn't even have his own episode in TNBA, and his new costume was laughable until you realized that they were serious, and then you just broke down into tears. I won't go on, but you can see that I have problems with TNBA. It just seemed like a step back.

The Game

01-14-2002, 08:26 AM

I agree Dark Knight. I just don't think most of the improvements made for TNBA were for the better, which resulted in a worse overall show.

I thought tha Mad Love was a really good "Joker-Defining" episode, and to this day, one of my favorites.

Sorry if I ruffled anyone's feathers with the no spoiler box, I just figured that anyone who was going to see it had.

DisneyBoy

01-14-2002, 12:10 PM

Let me try that spoiler-thingy

[/spoiler] chickens like dancing in pudding. Don't ask me why! [/spoiler]

James Harvey

01-14-2002, 12:18 PM

I didn't like how Freeze was reduced to a head in a jar. Just didn't seem right. Also , I was extremely dissapointed the Nocturna episode was aborted. I would've loved to have seen a vampire themed episode.

DisneyBoy

01-14-2002, 12:22 PM

I don't think I did that right!!! :p

Well, I didn't really like Tim drake as Robin, or the switch to Nightwing or the fact that Batgirl sounded very "Clueless" in TNBA. Also the redesigns, on the whole, bothered me alot. They definately aren't "THE official Batman" designs to me! "Critters", "Cold Comfort" and "Chemisty" were sacriligious and Catwoman and Two-Face looked awful...
In B:TAS, I didn't like the first Alfred voice (he sounded constipated!), the nasty "blob" style animation in "Cat Scratch", "Cat and Claw pt 2", "Joker Favor" and the beginning and end of "Showdown". That's all I can think of...

As for that comment about Nightwing in "Over the Edge"...

Spoiler

Spoiler

...Since Dick was in Babs' dream, he reacted the way she thought he would, and since (to her knowledge) he doesn't really have feelings for her anymore, she interprets it as a totally uninterest for her. Basically, Babs sees Dick as a guy who no longer cares about her existance since they broke up, even though they both still care about one another. He acted surprised in the dream, but hardly sad...Babs probably wonders "I he wouldn't cry if I died tommorow"

Spoiler END

I hope that worked! I thought the whole Dick thing (LOL) was a very subtle point that the writers worked into the script without making it obvious. Upon rewatching, I noticed it, thought about it and smiled....clever clever.... :D

DisneyBoy

01-14-2002, 12:24 PM

YAY!!! THE BLACK BLOB/SPOILER THINGY WORKED!!!! IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'M A GENIOUS!!!!!!!!

ahem.... :rolleyes:

DisneyBoy

01-14-2002, 12:25 PM

DG, I just don't think the vampires would have fit in with the show:) As it is, the screenshots for the Batman episode of Static shock look pretty...ugh :(

James Harvey

01-14-2002, 12:29 PM

Vampires would have fit in fine, as long as TMS did the show. The werewolf-episode could have been better with a better story and animation, but the crew still made the werewolf premise somewhat believable.

The Flash

01-14-2002, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by Bird_Boy
After something is over a year old, usually spoiler-box's don't seem neccessary.

Sorry if it was spoiled for you, but, if you haven't seen it by now, I don't see a need to put up a spoiler box.

But what if they haven't seen it? How would you feel? If you put the spoiler in the spoiler box to begin with then it won't be spoiled for anyone, and everyone is happy. I say just keep the stuff in a spoiler box and there will be no more probs. It's not that hard to do....

Bird Boy

01-14-2002, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by The Flash

But what if they haven't seen it? If you put the spoiler in the spoiler box to begin with that person won't be mad, and everyone is happy. I say just keep the stuff in a spoiler box and there will be no more probs. It's not that hard to do....

if it's over a year old, and the person hasn't seen it..then they obviously haven't made any effort TO see it.

for instance. I read a thread on one of these boards about Spoiler Boxes. The person "spoiled" the end of the Sixth Sense, a movie which I haven't seen, but I do want to see. My brother has had that movie on DVD since the day it came out, and I haven't made any effort to see it. I didn't feel ticked or anything, because of the age of the "Spoiler"

If we were to put a spoiler box over every year-old spoiler then this whole website should be in a spoiler box.

"Spoilers" from past episodes are posted everyday, and nobody has mentioned it before. "Over The Edge" spoilers were around way before the episode even aired.

Anyway...back on topic.. :)

-BB

The Flash

01-14-2002, 01:08 PM

There's a prob. w/ that. No one (in the US) shows reruns of these shows right now.... Not trying to start a fight, just makin' a point. (yeah I always rant about spoilers...:D)

Bird Boy

01-14-2002, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by The Flash
There's a prob. w/ that. No one (in the US) shows reruns of these shows right now.... Not trying to start a fight, just makin' a point. (yeah I always rant about spoilers...:D)

true. And I realize there are newbies to the Batman universe, but, chances are, they've already read the synopsis, reviews and what-not about episodes they missed.

But, It's fine with me if a person puts a spoiler box over their own "spoilers". I just find it neccessary unless it's on somthing that just aired on TV or premiered in theaters.

-BB

The Flash

01-14-2002, 01:32 PM

Well if they warn about the spoiler and don't put it in a box, then that's cool with me. Just have the good sense to warn about 'em.

NOW Back on topic! :)

Clayface

01-14-2002, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Terminatah

Where exactly are these guidelines for what is or isn't a spoiler?

-Terminatah

Good question. You might want to e-mail the moderators and ask them. I know we had this same discussion about what is and isn't spoiler material in a long thread a while back, but I'm not sure where that thread is now. The mods would be the best people to ask about it.

FLIPMODE

01-14-2002, 07:25 PM

I did'nt Like at times, Batman was drawn extreemly round, and sometimes it Bothered me that most scenes of him had no muscle tone.

ZorBrak

01-14-2002, 09:44 PM

Well, this is a petty complaint but it bugs the crap outta me, in "Batman Beyond: Acesension" Paxton Powers calls for batman using a bat signal the bat is a lit area and the surrounding area is shaded which is not how it has EVER appeared in BTAS, comics, movies etc.., but then when it showed the bat signal machine, it had the batpart covered and the surrouding area was lit, but thats not how it would have been projected in the sky...the machine was the same as the old ones but the batsignal wasn't projected correctly, did I make any sense to anyone?

Cassandra

01-14-2002, 10:09 PM

Yes, I remember that,the signal in the sky was reversed, it irritated the heck out of me.
And I hated the fact that Babs and Bruce got together in BB.In BTAS and TNBA Bruce came off like he was a father figure to Dick, and then in BB they say he stole Dick's girlfriend? GAAAHHH!!!Does this completely creep anybody else out in that evil Jerry Springer way?
Also- What was up with the Joker's eyes in TNBA?
Why did they mess with the eyes on catwoman's costume? I liked the plain black outfit, but the mask was very weird-looking.

DarkAngel

01-14-2002, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by thegame8866
Is there anything that bothers you about any particular episode of B:TAS or TNBA?

One thing that always bothered me was in Over the Edge when Dick didn't seem to care all that much that Babs was dead. I mean I know it's her dream, but c'mon!

The only thing that bothered me about B:TAS was the animation for Bats cape. A lot of the time, it just didn't seem right.

Terminatah

01-15-2002, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by Bird_Boy

true. And I realize there are newbies to the Batman universe, but, chances are, they've already read the synopsis, reviews and what-not about episodes they missed.

But, It's fine with me if a person puts a spoiler box over their own "spoilers". I just find it neccessary unless it's on somthing that just aired on TV or premiered in theaters.

-BB

Chances are nothing. Put yourself in the shoes of a relatively new fan who has never seen that episode. Knowing the ending will completely RUIN the suspense of the entire setup. I know that when I saw The Sixth Sense, I realized how much more powerful the ending would've been if I didn't already know it. That's why I'm thankful that movie sites confine sensitive plot information within spoiler areas that have to be highlighted.

I'm not suggesting a spoiler policy be applied to every single episode revelation. But there are certain plot points that the writers obviously don't mean for you to know until a certain point in the episode. The ending of Over The Edge is a perfect example of this, as is The Call.

I still don't see why you people continue to argue against this. It's a virtually effortless task, and countless fans like you will appreciate it. You will have the rest of your life to watch these episodes already knowing what happened. At least give the rest of us a chance to enjoy them once for the first time.

-Terminatah

The Game

01-15-2002, 04:34 PM

Let's be honest here- I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of the people on these boards have seen almost every episode. Now is that a reason not to spolierize them? No, but I highly doubt there is someone who hasn't seen in, plans on it, and wants to see it. I mean think about it for a second. It's highly unlikely that they haven't seen it, want to see it, and don't know the ending. The ep. is five years old!

As for now I don't think it makes sense to spoilerize this, and I don't plan to do so. If anyone who hasn't seen this episode had it spoiled by me, I sincerely apologize, but I highly doubt it.

The Flash

01-15-2002, 06:27 PM

http://community.sierra.com/Images/emoticons/hrmph.gif Is it really that hard to make a spoiler box? ...good Lord.... You have all the excuses in the world about NOT doing it when it would take 5-10 seconds TOO do it. http://community.sierra.com/Images/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

A rumor was posted about the last Tick episode, which gave away a plot point. If that really happens in the show I'm gunna be some kind of pissed, cause it was spoiled for me. My screen name is "The Flash" and the first time I saw The Flash live action movie was last year.... it's old, but should I come in here and give away key plot points when it could easily be avoided? I think not...

The Game

01-15-2002, 08:36 PM

I just don't seet he point. WHO hasn't seen the episode? Why should I waste my time doing something ridiculously unnecessary?

The Flash

01-15-2002, 10:54 PM

BTW, by "You" I ment everyone I have talked to on this subject... ;)

Terminatah

01-15-2002, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by thegame8866
I just don't seet he point. WHO hasn't seen the episode? Why should I waste my time doing something ridiculously unnecessary?

Because even if you spoil it for the one person in the world who has never even HEARD of the episode, but would've enjoyed seeing the finished work the way it was meant to be seen, your apology won't erase what you did.

Oh, and by the way, I don't think your estimation of how many people have and haven't seen this episode should be used as a valid argument basis.

It takes two seconds to put text in a spoiler box. You just write <spoiler> before the message and </spoiler> after it, only with [square brackets] instead of <triangle ones>. Some people don't mind reading spoilers, other people avoid them at all costs, but shouldn't it be their choice and not yours? They are called spoilers for a reason.

-Terminatah

Clayface

01-15-2002, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by Terminatah

Chances are nothing. Put yourself in the shoes of a relatively new fan who has never seen that episode. Knowing the ending will completely RUIN the suspense of the entire setup.

And any fan that is truely worried about spoliers for an episode should avoid at all costs any posts about that episode - that's been the policy the mods have used, and I doubt its gonna change. If you're that worried about reading a spoiler about an episode you haven't seen, dont' read posts about that epsode.

I still don't see why you people continue to argue against this. It's a virtually effortless task, and countless fans like you will appreciate it.

Its a matter of who's being inconvenienced. Let's say 5 out of 100 fans here on the boards haven't seen a certain old episode, and the other 95 have. We can inconvenience 5 people by talking about the episode freely, or we can inconvenience 95 people by making them type everything in a black box, making every poster have to highlight what's in that black box, and having long threads of nothing but black spoiler boxes. It makes a lot more sense to tell the people that haven't seen a certain episode to avoid threads about that ep rather than have all the others have to go through all of the above. This is what was decided by the mods in the discussion of this when it came up last. If you've got a problem with it, or want to try to convince them otherwise, e-mail them.

At least give the rest of us a chance to enjoy them once for the first time.

No one's stopping you from enjoying them for the first time- simply make an effort on your part to avoid spoilers by avoiding posts about old episodes, and then make an effort to see the episode. Very simple.

The Dark Knight

01-15-2002, 11:53 PM

I never knew it was that much of an inconvenience to highlight something, but if it's that great of a hassle for you then just write "SPOILER" before your post. Most likely no one will change their mind about this, and personally I think you're better off safe by warning of possible spoilers, but if you want to take the risk based on an inaccurate assumption so that you won't have to write an extra word or two in your post, there's not much I can say to convince you.

Clayface

01-16-2002, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by The Dark Knight
I never knew it was that much of an inconvenience to highlight something, but if it's that great of a hassle for you then just write "SPOILER" before your post.

It gets very inconvenient when you have entire conversations (sometimes multiple pages long) written all in the black spoiler boxes - it actually can make it very difficult to follow along in the conversation and can get a bit confusing - we had this problem on the boards before. And for something that is that old, it really makes no sense to have to keep putting the text in the spoiler boxes. I don't have any problem with people putting the word SPOILER before their comments, but in general, if you've not seen an episode and the episode has been aired, and even rerun, you can expect that people aren't necessarily going to do that, nor will they be required to. Its not that difficult to just avoid threads relating to an old episode if you haven't seen it.

Maxie Zeus

01-16-2002, 12:49 AM

Okay, mods are late getting here.

First, there are no official rules about when spoilers should be used. That's left up to common sense and common courtesy.

Unfortunately, what we have here is a disagreement about what common sense and common courtesy say. On the one hand it seems like good sense to assume that lots of people haven't seen even the old toons, and courteous to not spoil key moments. The principle that you shouldn't disclose the ending to "Over the Edge" is the same as that which says you shouldn't carelessly refer to the real identity of "Rosebud" in Citizen Kane or the killer(s) in Murder on the Orient Express.

On the other hand, it is plausible to assume that most of the visitors here have seen the episodes, or are smart enough to avoid discussions of episodes they haven't seen. And, like Clayface says, too many spoiler boxes get in the way.

My personal opinion is that there is no good way to settle this dispute because both sides have a lot of merit, and there is no way to reconcile them. I think that's why the "one year" rule evolved. It pays tribute to the pro-spoiler side of the argument for a year, and then switches to the other side. One of those good compromises that leaves both sides unhappy.

Feh. I know. What I just said is pretty useless.

No retroactive spoilers needed here, I judge. But it is good to be conscious of the spoiler box opportunities.

Now, can we get back on topic? :)

The Penguin

01-16-2002, 12:56 AM

Sorry, I just have to say real quick that I have not seen "Over The Edge" and it doesn't bother me the least bit that the ending was revealed (It is a couple of years old now). It will be a long time before it comes up on CN and I probably will barely remember it.

Ok... now back to whatever the topic was.

Terminatah

01-16-2002, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by Clayface
Its a matter of who's being inconvenienced. Let's say 5 out of 100 fans here on the boards haven't seen a certain old episode, and the other 95 have. We can inconvenience 5 people by talking about the episode freely, or we can inconvenience 95 people by making them type everything in a black box, making every poster have to highlight what's in that black box, and having long threads of nothing but black spoiler boxes. It makes a lot more sense to tell the people that haven't seen a certain episode to avoid threads about that ep rather than have all the others have to go through all of the above. This is what was decided by the mods in the discussion of this when it came up last. If you've got a problem with it, or want to try to convince them otherwise, e-mail them.

I'm not suggesting rampant use of the spoiler box during conversations. I agree that this would be cumbersome. For threads where a spoiler is referred to throughout the discussion, you simply write something like "ROTJ spoiler" in the title.

Originally posted by Clayface

No one's stopping you from enjoying them for the first time- simply make an effort on your part to avoid spoilers by avoiding posts about old episodes, and then make an effort to see the episode. Very simple.

It's actually not that simple. Making the effort to see old episodes almost solely depends on Cartoon Network. And making the effort to avoid spoilers is only effective when dealing with topics devoted to a specific storyline. In a topic such as this one, where a single post casually makes mention of one moment in the series, a spoiler box would not be out of the question, because simply throwing spoilers out there, minor as they may be, robs us of the option to make an effort to avoid them.

So, to recap:
- Spoilers within spoiler-labelled threads -- easy to avoid.
- Spoilers within general threads NOT in a black box -- hard to avoid.

-Terminatah

peterparker05

01-16-2002, 01:01 PM

As much as the spoiler information was useful, I think it's time to get back on topic.

The Penguin

01-16-2002, 03:54 PM

Anyway....

I really didn't like the BTAS episode with the werewolfs in it. I admit I haven't seen it for awhile but I just didn't care for that one.

Bobby Boy 101

01-16-2002, 04:56 PM

good god, I bet they talked more about spoilers than about the topic! ;)

anywayz, another one of the few things I didnt like about TNBA was that (as previously stated) Batman had no muscles, biceps in particular.

For the most part the eps by TMS gave Batman pecs (even tho they didnt do this for ROTJ), but I have always thought he needed biceps, like in BTAS.

Tho in JL I do like that they gave him a 6 pack and pecks, but still no biceps.

Also, like Ive said many previous times, the one thing I dont like about the naimated world as a whole is that Catwoman was made into a :mad: CRAPPY :mad: fighter!!!