"WWE RAW" Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/touts/feature/29062/2900338Repercussions
By Louie Dee
June 12, 2006

Don't miss RAW tonight when Mr. McMahon delivers his state of WWE address.

Also, the office of the Chairman of WWE announced last week that Triple H will face the entire Spirit Squad in a five-on-one Handicap Match tonight on RAW. The announcement comes on the heels of Triple H’s latest example of blatant defiance of Mr. McMahon’s authority, which ended with the Chairman being knocked out cold with his pants around his ankles after The Game refused to join the Kiss My Ass Club.

Clearly, Mr. McMahon does not take too kindly to being embarrassed in his very own ring. As a result, The Game must now square off against Kenny, Mikey, Nicky, Johnny and Mitch. Will the King of Kings live to regret his actions of last Monday night? Or will the former 10-time World Champion manage to stick it to Mr. McMahon once again, this time by turning back his hand-picked henchmen?

John Cena will also be looking for some revenge, with Edge being his target. Last night at ECW One Night Stand, Edge came from under the ring and speared Cena through a table, an action that led to Cena apparently losing the WWE Championship. Tonight, Cena will try to get back at the Rated-R Superstar when they go one on one.

Don't miss this and more tonight at 9/8 CT on the USA network.

[VCXZX]

Lots of boos for the ECW and the new champ RVD. KINda shocked actually. I guess most of the uniqueness of last night and the crowd that came with it is pretty much a rariety now as we go back to cheering Cena etc. :shrug:

[Portgas D. Ace]

Cena's gonna beat Edge so bad for yesterday. OMG i cant wait till the match starts.

[SirLemming]

The show started out with some of the worst commentary ever. What the heck was going on? They were promoting See No Evil even more than usual, somehow. And JR made some sort of awful comment about "Silence of the Slams". Wow. I don't know what was going on there.


Lots of boos for the ECW and the new champ RVD. KINda shocked actually. I guess most of the uniqueness of last night and the crowd that came with it is pretty much a rariety now as we go back to cheering Cena etc. :shrug: I think a lot of fans are turning on RVD due to his continuing failure to get through a match without making any noticeable mistakes. But the ECW One Night Stand anti-Cena crowd just HAD to cheer for him.


Wow, Candace really must have NO brains or skills whatsoever. I guess they gave her too much credit when they decided not to give her Super Soaker training and water balloon target practice.

[sag_2002]

:lol: @ poor JR having to play dodgeball with Torrie at the end of her match.

[Red]

I really need would like some water right now.

[SirLemming]

I think the crowd was chanting "boring" during Vince's speech, and then they turned the crowd audio down.

And no wonder. This McMahon/Spirit Squad screwjob stuff has gone on way too long.

[halinar]

So, 45 minutes in we've had one count out match and a normal T&A match, 2 commercials for Nacho Libre and more See No Evil commercials put into the show. There will be wrestling in this wrestling show right? Or was the Dinosaurs??

Guess RVD won't keep the belt for long if his name isn't even on it yet.

[VCXZX]

Good to see Trish's arm heal in that video package.

Gotta love lack of continuity.

[RedNinja84]

DX is back!!!!!

[Red]

That was one of the greatest moments in WWE History. Right there folks.

[zmanjz]

DX is back!!!!!

wow, it actually happened. I was waiting for Vince to make Hunter an offer along the lines of "Take Shawn Michaels Down, and you'll be redeemed in my eyes..."

But nope, no "Snake in the grass" against Michaels. I'm suprised.

(That was also the loudest "Cheer of Joy" that I've heard in a while from the crowd.)

Hmmm, DX vs the spirit squad? Who else's coming back to DX?

[sag_2002]

Totally awesome moment right there, as Trips and HBK all but cement the return of D-X. Only thing missing was the authentic D-X music..

[SirLemming]

Guess RVD won't keep the belt for long if his name isn't even on it yet. I don't think for one second they're going to keep the Spinna belt. I expect a destruction scene tomorrow.


What the heck was Shawn Michaels wearing? I'm 99% convinced that was a woman's tank top. It sure looked womanly.

[VCXZX]

That was some HUGE crowd pop for DX. However, the Squad has to win some matches against HHH in order to make this a good feud.

[zmanjz]

I don't think for one second they're going to keep the Spinna belt. I expect a destruction scene tomorrow.


I wanna see Cena reclaim it..... Tomorrow. (And the spinna belt is pretty awesome merchandise. I'd like to know how well they've been selling before I claim it's destruction.)

Foley.... flair..........er........ what?

Hmmm....... Foley in a standard match against Flair. I love Foley, and I'd love to see him beat Flair in a standard match.

Or maybe Flair in a Hardcore match?

(Heel Foley. sigh, I hate heel Foley, because I can never truly hate him. He really is a nice guy, it's like "Evil Spock" even though he's from the Evil universe and wearing a goatee, you just can't hate him.)

[EinBebop]

I don't trust Vince anymore. I kept waiting for Shawn to superkick Triple H, just like Hunter turned on him when DX "reunited" four years ago.

Ah, but it was a great moment. It would have been perfect if not for two things: a) 'King of Kings' playing instead of DX, and b) Shawn wearing one of his wife's shirts.

Speaking of Shawn's wife, why have we never seen Whisper in WWE?

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/w/whisper/07.jpg

[PTurkey]

Haha! The crowd cheered Foley for calling "Penn State" the "University of Pennsylvania."

...I am so ashamed of my school. You were supposed to boo that, guys. C'mon, get with the program.

[SirLemming]

Nothing quite like a Flair promo. "Do you hear that, Lord? Wooo! Wooooo!"

[sag_2002]

Foley and Flair are not only maestros of the mic, but they can also work a solid match or two when called upon. Their Vengance match should be fun.

[Memphis Bleek]

I don't trust Vince anymore. I kept waiting for Shawn to superkick Triple H, just like Hunter turned on him when DX "reunited" four years ago.

Ah, but it was a great moment. It would have been perfect if not for two things: a) 'King of Kings' playing instead of DX, and b) Shawn wearing one of his wife's shirts.

Speaking of Shawn's wife, why have we never seen Whisper in WWE?

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/w/whisper/07.jpg

He keeps getting her pregnant and stealing her clothes.

[zmanjz]

Haha! The crowd cheered Foley for calling "Penn State" the "University of Pennsylvania."

...I am so ashamed of my school. You were supposed to boo that, guys. C'mon, get with the program.

Well...

1. U Penn is a better school. That was more of an insult to the University of Pennsylvania than it was Penn State. (I graduated from PSU: Dickinson School of Law, so I can talk smack about PSU.)

2. Most people are confused by the diffrence between "Pennsylvania State University" and the "University of Pennsylvania" anyway. and most people not "In the know" use them interchangeably.


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On a side note, I have no idea why I love Mickie James as the Women's Champion. (But Psycho really works well for her.)

[TnAdct1]

LOL at the "Shelton Stole My Bike" sign. :D

[Red]

11:05pm, and Cena is coming out. Nothing fishy there, huh?

[zmanjz]

Man, they're running REAL long tonight.

and CENA COMES OUT WITH A VENGEANCE. :evil: :evil: :evil:

Cena is at his best when he has "Righteous fury" behind him. OH MAN, this'll be great!

MUST WATCH TOMORROW

[VCXZX]

That Flair/Foley promo was great. Great real-life intensity there. Only negative was Foley saying "tonight" rather than 13 days.

[SirLemming]

He keeps getting her pregnant and stealing her clothes.
ROFL.


LOL at the "Shelton Stole My Bike" sign. :D
Same here.


Man, this was an awful show. There was only one truly legitimate match, and not even a whole lot of screwy ones. I don't get it. Do they really not know what to do with their time? There was no reason for the show to run long tonight, yet they made it so with pointless recaps and stuff.

I really wish they'd cut back on PPVs. They shouldn't have 12 a year, but there's no freaking way they should have more. Every show is just a big commercial for the next PPV -- when it's not busy being a commercial for some movie, or Playboy, or the next WWE album, or who knows what. I wouldn't care if they wove the promos into the show, but they honestly seem to put more into that stuff than the show itself. They need to learn how to make substantial TV shows again. The shows don't stand up on their own two feet.

[langden alger]

I really wish they'd cut back on PPVs. They shouldn't have 12 a year, but there's no freaking way they should have more. Every show is just a big commercial for the next PPV -- when it's not busy being a commercial for some movie, or Playboy, or the next WWE album, or who knows what. I wouldn't care if they wove the promos into the show, but they honestly seem to put more into that stuff than the show itself. They need to learn how to make substantial TV shows again. The shows don't stand up on their own two feet.

all the more reason to root on tna. if they actually get on the right track and provide some major competition for vince, he should finally decide to cut back a little on the promos for his movie productions and give us half our show back...until he manages to buy tna out too.:sad:

[Jin Kazama]

And the string out count-outs continue. Five bucks says Booker/Lashley gets it on Friday so they can save the pinfall for Great American Bash.

You know, when you just randomly throw out PPV matches (Foley/Flair and IC Title) just because you have zero time to build them up, maybe you should re-think the whole 16 a year thing.

[James Bester]

I feel like I just watched a two hour commercial. That could be the last time I watch a complete edition of RAW for a while.

[The Penguin]

So Vengeance is less than two weeks away, huh? RAW has spent way too much time on ECW to try and launch their own PPV. WWE TV played a much bigger part in ECW One Night Stand than it did last year. With these events so close together they didn’t have time for it.

You could tell Paul Heyman was enjoying his moment in the sun as he explained that RVD was the champion because ECW could do whatever it wanted. The crowd seemed at least a little disgusted.

With JR calling classic Kane an imposter this week it seems that a super natural cause is not going to be the answer to this puzzle. Now it seems like a newcomer trying to mess with the Big Red Machine’s head.

I could actually hear the individual applause when Charlie Haas came out. I think there were about five people clapping for him. And after Big Vis beat the crap out of him after he tried to apologize to Lilian, I bet two of those fans stopped cheering for him.

“Who knows their WWE knowledge”?! I would think that your knowledge would be exactly what you know!! :rolleyes: Todd should have been testing their WWE knowledge.

I gotta give him credit, no one marches to certain doom and obvious defeat better than Hacksaw Jim Duggan. He’s a pro (and does that far too often).

I was hoping Vinnie Mac was going to really address the state of the WWE Championship, but instead he just targeted Triple H. I’ve seen it before.

Striker’s Classroom was short but sweet this week on Unlimited. I liked the “Educationally Challenged Wrestling” acronym he pulled out.

It was the first wet and wild match and I expect it will be the last one. That was a cluster if there ever was one. Torrie and Candice pulled out some wrestling holds but the execution was slow and poor. I was glad to see it end.

I have never heard of the Canadian Walk of Fame until WWE started talking about it, but Trish seemed very honored to be selected to host. It looks like it was a pretty good showcase for her which makes me happy.

:eek::eek: Did Maria forget to finish getting dressed for the Kiss Kam?!! It looked like there should have been more to that outfit.

The Spirit Squad vs. Triple H was pretty well-executed as an unfair beat down goes. Michaels was at least somewhat expected, but I still liked the reveal of Mitch getting thrown out onto the entrance ramp. I don’t know if it was all the teasing, but the official DX reunion felt hollow to me. I’m looking forward to next week where hopefully the DX attitude is captured better than just some crotch chops and a mooning.

After the controversary that came out of Ric Flair’s book, it was cool finally seeing the Foley-Flair confrontation. I’m not super-pumped for this match, but I am looking forward to it.

Well Jerry Lawler doesn’t look to be done with Tazz and Joey Styles yet. The King has never liked ECW and now that it’s back I suspect he hates it even more.

I think Nitro was going for a splash, but upon further review, his flip still executed a headbutt to beat Carlito. The triple threat match has the potential to be a good one.

And Mickie James has apparently cursed the women’s division. I don’t know what they are going to do now. They did a great job translating the injuries into the story though.

I am looking forward to Rory and Robbie coming to RAW. The Highlanders should be very entertaining. :D

I was very surprised there was almost no time for the main event, but with ECW sitting ringside, there were clearly other things going on. First it is starting to seem that Edge was in league with Heyman and ECW to get the belt on RVD. I can’t believe Edge would join ECW, but it seems costing Cena the belt was not just for the sake of doing so. And John Cena isn’t going to roll over and let this go either!



all the more reason to root on tna. if they actually get on the right track and provide some major competition for vince, he should finally decide to cut back a little on the promos for his movie productions and give us half our show back...until he manages to buy tna out too.:sad:Root for TNA to do what? Increase the ratings of their even more gratuitous pay-per-view infomercial?

[Punisher]

This is the first time I've watched Raw in months and the first match I see is two women getting wet. Coincidence, or luck?

[hobbyfan]

Paul Heyman opens and says that because the title match was under ECW rules, the decision stands. DUH! Should've figured that one.:o

And so the new champ only gets a :10 cameo. Maybe if Paul holds his bong, RVD can actually do something intelligent.;) :p

Kane vs. Orton--Meh. We've seen better. It's going to be Kane vs. Kane at the PPV, and hopefully, that will be a 1-and-done feud. I'm bored already.:yawn:

From now on, boyz, Ms. Wilson will be known as Torrikishi, as long as she insists on doing the stinkface. I wonder if her hubby (Billy Kidman) gets that at home?

BTW, the expiration date on Candice Michelle's 15 minutes of fame is fast approaching. Does anyone here see a pink slip in her future?

As usual, Crazy Vinnie went to the well one time too many. He decided that instead of a handicap match, it'd be a gauntlet, then he throws the ref out. The man is insane, and unfit to be running Raw. There's a reason Jon Coachman is an "executive assistant", not a GM, and it's not because of Coachman himself, who looked solid in his cameo appearance tonight. Why not go all the way, Vince, and put the tag titles up, or have the Highlanders debut next week and win them?

Johnny Nitro's flip into a headbutt (I thought it was an elbow, it happened so sudden) isn't a breakdance move, IMPO. It's a gymnastics thing. Anyone remember 1976 Olympian Kurt Thomas, the creator of the Thomas Flare (on the pommel horse)? That's where Nitro gets his idea. Points to Nitro for creativity, negated by the return of Skanklina's primal scream.:eek: :ack:

Apparently, they're turning Viscera heel, and having him obsessed with Lillian. Poor Charlie Haas. He's doing the right thing by apologizing, but we saw this storyline coming a week ago.

Umaga vs. Eugene next week, anyone? Is this the end of Eugene?

Let me make a prediction right now. By the end of the summer, Umaga will have his winning streak snapped---by Hulk Hogan. I think Vince will give Huckster a call, promise to have Brooke sing the national anthem at Summerslam, and have Hogan beat Umaga. Anyone got better ideas than that, LMK!

DX is back, but for how long? And did HBK pack the wrong clothing for this trip? Someone call the Order of the Serpentine!:p ;) :D

Add the OotS commercials. Remind anyone of cheesy Krofft programs of the 70s?

"Nacho Libre": Worth a look, may not be #1, but it'll be close.

They had stills of Lita with her hair tucked back into a ponytail (which we couldn't see), but they somehow made her into a near Angelina Jolie lookalike. Unfortunately, Edge doesn't even come close to looking like Brad Pitt. We're impressed.:D Just as unfortunate that the main event was a quick, deliberate DQ finish to carry over to tomorrow. Justin Credible, Stevie Richards, and Balls Mahoney earned hazard pay tonight, but Credible committed a fashion faux pas by wearing a sportcoat over just a t-shirt. Who's the fashion advisor? Mr. Magoo?:eek: :o :ack:

Here's an idea. Let's dress Mickie James up in a kangaroo suit, since she likes to bounce. I'm sure Kenny Doane has thought of that one.;) :p

Trish Stratus sings! Alex Trebek didn't look too enthused.;) :yawn:

After nearly 2 months of relentless hyping, I think we're officially bored with "See No Evil".:yawn: That's going to hurt DVD sales/rentals.

[EinBebop]

After nearly 2 months of relentless hyping, I think we're officially bored with "See No Evil".:yawn: That's going to hurt DVD sales/rentals.Indeed. As a non-horror fan, I've gone from "curious enough to give it a look" to "Oh, will you shut the hell up already?"

[and2]

What an awful show.

Paul E opening, really good promo. I don't get sci fi though.

I would have loved the Haas angle if he would have snapped and piledroven lilian, turning into a crazy a-hole wifebeater(note: punching women is not cool. I aprove of this message). instead we got the same old stuff, and a Vis/Haas to look forward to.....how fun.]

Blandy Boreton vs Kane, your usual Raw really bad contrived match. I was exited for the kane stuff, but now its just...bah. Kane falling into the wiring from a slap to the throat has to be the worst bump ever.

ahahhahaha. The divas match was so bad it was good...not. That was some boring boring stuff, made me embarrased to be a wrestling fan. Candice botching the super soaker AND trowing a damn water baloon was awesome though.

Dx reunion, pretty good moment (except for the King of Kings song playing at the end). Though this angle is destined for "Vince vs God" crappiness mixed in with lame penis jokes. HBK is SO gay.

Foley/Ric promo was awesome. I'm mixed with the 2/3 falls match, as its a pretty underused gimmik in recent years, and Ric and Foley still have something in them but....I don't really know.

Hey, Shelton isn't stuttering on the mic! Still not very good at all promo wise. That match was just bland, Carlito deserves better than a nonreaction. Breaking up MNM=BAD. Shelton is ahead of Haas in the most heatless category.

Main event, Cena going postal on the ECW guys was awesome. Even more awesome was JR not knowing who Justin Credible was.

-1/10

[Sigma]

Root for TNA to do what? Increase the ratings of their even more gratuitous pay-per-view infomercial?
Hey no need to bash TNA for promoting PPVs on a one hour show. WWE does the same thing because you can't have a PPV and not promote it. TNA has alot less time to promote. The WWE has programming on nearly every day of the week now and the majority of it is usually garbage.

[Condiment King]

I actually thought this was a slightly better show than WWE vs ECW, but I guess that shows you my opinion of ECW or at least this incarnation so far. I liked Paul Heyman starting off the show with his diatribe about the ECW title being christened tomorrow night as well as Rob Van Dam showing up out of nowhere. Good opening promo.

Kane vs Orton is just a bleh double countout and you could tell that the fake Kane was coming, once they ran up the ramp. I was sort of confused as to Kane's motivation for continuing the fight outside, but oh well. This feud has perhaps the most build-up towards Vengeance, as I'm thoroughly interested as to who's under the fake Kane mask.

Charlie Haas reminds me of WCW Lance Storm in that a great wrestler can be degraded night in and night out if he doesn't have the most charisma. It was stupid then and its stupid now. I'm still wondering why Viscera has a job with the company.

Spirit Squad vs Triple H stole the show, particularly with the long awaited reunion of DX. This would have been a much better ending to RAW than just the brawl between Cena, Edge, and the ECW guys.

Mick Foley vs Ric Flair is an awesome feud and will probably be a great match. This feud is very real life considering the things said in both men's autobiographies as well as their feelings towards each other. Ric Flair really has said before that Foley is nothing but a "glorified stuntman". I really like Foley, but I agree that the super hardcore matches are overrated as hell. Foley has to remain heel for this feud, particularly because the Vengeance match is in Charlotte, North Carolina. The Carolinas are Flair Country!

Triple threat for the IC title at Vengeance is a kinda bland announcement. I know I've beaten this like a dead horse before on this forum, but I still don't see the point of the IC/US belts, particularly since they've been fought over by just a handful of people since thier inception during the brand system. That really did look like a botch by Johnny Nitro there, but I don't know.

Cena will also be on ECW tomorrow night, as well as Edge? For a one hour show, they better manage their time wisely.

[MGFanJay]

Tonight's show had more lows than highs, and it bugged me that the NEW WWE CHAMPION was barely used on tonight's RAW. I know this'll be made up for tomorrow night, but it still irks me that so little was made out of his title win.

[Tapout]

And so the new champ only gets a :10 cameo. Maybe if Paul holds his bong, RVD can actually do something intelligent.;) :p To be fair, RVD is an ECW wrestler. Meaning he probably shouldn't have been on Raw at all, even if he is the World Champion. I'm trying to remember Taz's last ECW title run, when he was with the WWF. I know he wore the belt on WWF TV a few times, but other than when he won the belt and when he lost it, was he on ECW TV at all?

Most of you guys should do what I do: Split your attention between WWE and something else. I'm usually feeding my pitiful addiction to World of Warcraft during Raw and Smackdown (yes, I actually turn it off for TNA's 'infomercials") and it really hightens my enjoyment of the show. I turn around and pay attention to the TV when the crowd is loud, one way or another. That way I usually catch the good stuff and can weed through the crap.

I liked the DX reunion. Even with how obvious it was, the payoff was still good. Now I just hope they're not just using the D-Generation X name for a HHH/HBK alliance. If they bring back DX, they better bring back the dick jokes and other juvenile humor. :)

[langden alger]

Root for TNA to do what? Increase the ratings of their even more gratuitous pay-per-view infomercial?

well, no actually. root for them to get a two hour show down the line and maybe even get to a point where they can actually go head to head with either raw or smackdown. they have a ways to go in building they're league and who even knows if it'll happen sure, but if the infomercial closes up shop tommorow, all of us here know it won't be too good for the industry.

[VCXZX]

Nobody mentioned one of the most hilarious parts of RAW.

Lita's Star Trek Noise during her and Edge's promo. THat was so weird that it was funny. http://67.18.37.14/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://67.18.37.14/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://67.18.37.14/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://67.18.37.14/html/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Fifi Fanatic]

*Sigh* It's still coming off like "Invasion 2" folks. ECW is being made into the heels and we have WWE's golden boy, Cena, making three ECW wrestlers look like red-shirted security guys who just beamed down from the Enterprise. :sad: And to top it off, we have both Cena and Edge crashing ECW tonight and taking up valueable airtime. Hopefully, Paul can get that nonsense out of the way quickly and give us something that resembles ECW and not just a "third brand." I want ECW to be successful, but Paul is going to have to do something tonight to convince me that HE, not Vince, is the one running this thing and that it's going to bear some resemblance to the ECW I knew and loved. I don't want "Invasion 2", I want E-C-F'N-W! :evil:

And yours truly will be at Vengance. No way Slick Ric is going to lose in his own hometown. WOOOOOO! :cool:

*Praying for ECW's success*

[Fifi Fanatic]

And something needs to be cleared up. Is RVD both WWE AND ECW Champion? I thought the "State of the WWE" address would answer this, but Vince was more concerned in getting his petty revenge on HHH. Storyline idea: another McMahon tries to take over because Vince has lost his mind. :anime:

And, yes, I admit that I marked out when HHH and HBK beat the crap out of the Brokeback Cheerleaders. :D

[Jaguar]

Good things

Paul Heyman and RVD only for a few seconds. Yay...now go away.
The DX return, the worst kept secret in...forever, finally comes to fruition.
Flair returns! WOOOOOO! Flair vs. Foley, 2 out of 3 falls! WOOOOOO! There's been a lot of criticism over WWE trying to mash all the Vengeance setups into 2 weeks, and I'm with everyone on that. But the things they are doing aren't sloppy. Well...
...the IC triple threat match is kind of sloppy. However I'm happy it's happening, because it finally gives three really good competitors some use. Still...it just came out of nowhere.
Did anyone else find Mitch being thrown out by HBK incredibly funny?
Cena going insane. Priceless. Keep him crazy like that, you'll be breathing life into a character who was once a lost cause.
Bad things

Randy vs. Kane - blah. Countout ending - BLAH. Impostor Kane - BLAH.
Dear WWE: If enough people haven't gone to see See No Evil yet, then NO ONE will. Quit bombarding us with ads for your crappy, subpar horror movie directed by a porn director.
Vis/Charlie Haas - Honestly, who gives a flying flip? Haas is the most boring competitor alive. At least Lance Storm was fun to watch.
Oh, noooo, Umaga took out Hacksaw Jim Duggan! OMG! WOE! AGONY! Now I love Hacksaw and all...but, I mean, at least let him feud with people who are actually fixtures on the roster. And at least let said feud be interesting. I honestly think, if you're going to keep this big lug around, you should put him in a program against Orton. ("Sorry, Umaga but...there's only room for one legend killer around here.") Or just release him because the "BIG GUY TERRORIZING EVERYONE ELSE" routine is currently being three-times overdone in WWE. Yeah. That's a good idea, too.
Torrikishi.
Dear Candice Michelle, learn how to use a watergun, kthx.

[bigddan11]

The highlights for me were HBK coming out and basically destroying the Spirit Squad (I couldn't help but love Mr. McMahon's facial reactions at that point) and John Cena's attitude at the end. I'm still thinking it's going to become a Triple Threat Match at Venegance (Cena does still have his rematch clause if I'm not mistaken), but Cena's reaction at the end made me want to watch ECW that much more (even though I was already planning on watching it tonight at 8 PM MDT on Sci-Fi).

[zmanjz]

Most of you guys should do what I do: Split your attention between WWE and something else. I'm usually feeding my pitiful addiction to World of Warcraft during Raw and Smackdown (yes, I actually turn it off for TNA's 'infomercials") and it really hightens my enjoyment of the show. I turn around and pay attention to the TV when the crowd is loud, one way or another. That way I usually catch the good stuff and can weed through the crap.

WoW..... I'm more of a CoV guy myself.

[SS4goku]

I said it once and i will say it again DX is back baby. Plus i'm starting to hate Paul, because he had no f***ing right to count out John Cena, if it wasn't for the refs and Edge, Cena would had won big time.

[RedNinja84]

The show ran late but I loved Cena at the end. Like I've said before,I like crazy Cena because he has motivation and beats the hell out of people. I actually heard people to start cheering him and I was hoping he'd beat the hell out of Edge. I'll be tuning into ECW tonight.

[Mr.HeathBell]

The opening promo by Paul Heyman being professional yet really personal was cool. He does a great job of that.

Kane vs. Randy Orton: I think it's the theme for tonight's Raw. It could have been worse. This is thankfully kept short as I doubt Orton-Kane could go 10-15 minutes no less 5. Fake Kane shows up after Kane-Orton fight up the ramp. Fake Kane is stupid and this needs to be over quickly. Is it even a scheduled match for Vengenace? If not, is this gonna drag on to Summerslam?

Seeing Charlie Haas at all really makes you wish he'd go back to the WGTT look. The only cool thing is this segment was Vis was some guy shouting out "EAT HIM VIS!"

Vince has always been worried for the kids in the audience. It's nice to see a promotion whose values are in order.

Torrie vs Candice lol.

The match of the night, which wasn't hard to achieve, was Triple H vs. The Squad. I liked it all but I didn't really like Jim Ross say DX HAS RETURNED. They've been building this up and I'm pretty sure everyone would have like to hear a catchphrase or two or the theme to play to signify it.

Duggan vs Umaga. It could have been worse. Armando/Osama calling Eugene a dummy was great.

The Foley-Flair segment was the best part of the night. I guess that is saying a lot for a show that has DX reunite. Lots of people on the internet and that read Mick Foley's book know Foley-Flair haven't been the best of friends. However, the casual fan does not know this. If this was Vince Russo WCW, Foley would have been in the ring with Flair coming down to say, "Remember 10 years ago, well it's payback! And oh yah get those scissors away from Sid." They mixed the rumors and the history of the two beautifully while still making it interesting to the casual fan that just sees Mankind and Ric Flair.

Nitro vs Carlito. A boring match that finishes with... a shooting star headbutt? I don't believe it, I think he just messed up completely. Who the heck does a shooting star headbutt?

HIGHLANDERS

Edge-Cena crap, I didn't care about this here. It was just making sure people remember to watch tonight and that's good and all. But boring.


As for the TNA stuff going on here, there are two good points being thrown out. Yes TNA needs 2 hours. However, even with the 1 hour they have, the focus of the show is way off. When you look at TNA, you say "oh you have to watch the PPVs." There is no real reason to tune into iMPACT! each and every week. Over the years, WWF/E, and WCW for that matter, had made sure Raw/Nitro/Smackdown, but not Thunder, were all interesting and you had to watch it. TNA is not doing this with Chris Sabin saying MAN UP DAWG and Scott Steiner being on TV. I watched stuff from iMPACT!s last year and they had a great Shelley/Aries/Strong vs. Daniels/Styles/Sabin match. They need to do more focus on guys like them rather than freaking Team 3D and the James Gang.

[SS4goku]

The show ran late but I loved Cena at the end. Like I've said before,I like crazy Cena because he has motivation and beats the hell out of people. I actually heard people to start cheering him and I was hoping he'd beat the hell out of Edge. I'll be tuning into ECW tonight.

Yea I have to admit I do like his changee he made over the past weekend. But I really hope some how he gets his title back soon. Plus even I was cheering for HHH when he went up against the brokeback cheerleaders, right after McMahon told Mitch to get down there and it took like 10 secs., I was like HBK is back baby.

[The Penguin]

Hey no need to bash TNA for promoting PPVs on a one hour show. WWE does the same thing because you can't have a PPV and not promote it. TNA has alot less time to promote. The WWE has programming on nearly every day of the week now and the majority of it is usually garbage.My point is at this exact moment, supporting TNA because WWE's show are "a big commercial for the next PPV" means nothing. One hour or not, their shows (even their good ones) are nothing but a big commercial for the next PPV and they do a terrible job of hiding it.


well, no actually. root for them to get a two hour show down the line and maybe even get to a point where they can actually go head to head with either raw or smackdown. they have a ways to go in building they're league and who even knows if it'll happen sure, but if the infomercial closes up shop tommorow, all of us here know it won't be too good for the industry.They have to create more interest in their shows first and if the best they can do is use almost every segment to hype something I have pay to extra money to see, they aren't going to be successful. WCW didn't take off because they added more PPVs, it was when they added Nitro and really invested something in it. TNA isn't running weekly pay-per-views any more, they have a TV show that they are getting paid for rather than the other way around and most of the times it serves as little more than filler between events. I can't remember the last time I saw the NWA World Heavyweight Champion for more than five minutes.


As for the TNA stuff going on here, there are two good points being thrown out. Yes TNA needs 2 hours. However, even with the 1 hour they have, the focus of the show is way off. When you look at TNA, you say "oh you have to watch the PPVs." There is no real reason to tune into iMPACT! each and every week. Over the years, WWF/E, and WCW for that matter, had made sure Raw/Nitro/Smackdown, but not Thunder, were all interesting and you had to watch it. TNA is not doing this with Chris Sabin saying MAN UP DAWG and Scott Steiner being on TV. I watched stuff from iMPACT!s last year and they had a great Shelley/Aries/Strong vs. Daniels/Styles/Sabin match. They need to do more focus on guys like them rather than freaking Team 3D and the James Gang.Exactly. I don't order WWE PPVs and I feel the shows are enough for me. With TNA I feel like I am missing something and it's not because of PPV quality, it's TV show quality.

[RAINMAN]

I agree whit everything that ben said. Too many PPV events. I mess the old days when there were only 4 or 5 a year. I hope mick beat the crap out of flair. Althougth it`s acting most of the things mick say about flair is REALLY true. And was it a mistake that flair didn`t say bret hart name?:sad: Some say WWE vs ECW is I2. Well going back to the NWO days this is really the 6th VS plot. The 4th for WWE in 5 years. This is getting tiresome then comic book herioes vs battles.

[RAINMAN]

06/09/06 Internet News - More On Melina's Problems In WWEi
As most of you are already aware, MNM split up because Melina had developed an enormous, Roseanne Barr-sized ego. Melina felt as though that the entire Smackdown brand was about her and it was driving some people nuts. People in Ohio Valley Wrestling have noted that she is a totally different person. Melina used to hug everyone and such, but after showing up in WWE, it was down to the business handshake and a quick hello, as if she'd never seen some of these people before. Also, Nitro had a bit of heat because he never leaves her side, and that caused problems with the boys because he stopped socializing with everyone. The heat was so bad that their jobs were actually on the line at Judgment Day a few weeks ago. However, they came through on their performances and the decision was made to simply send them to Raw. PowerWrestling.com (http://www.powerwrestling.com/)