C&C - Anything Else/Cards - [5/28 - 6/4]

[Rabi~en~Rose]

this is an extra special AE/C since its the card style bumps 3rd birthday! :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/usadahikaru/tz2/kittenpile.jpg
lets celebrate with this kitten pile :anime:


edit: look now its Seventeen or older starting at midnight!

[Mugen]

Never thought I would see a Pokemon commercial on AS.

[Timmay]

www.archive.org is all of a sudden bogged down...

[Youko Recca]

Be my myspace friend *****....or imma kill u.

lol, wtf?

[Mugen]

Well, AS is definately coming to the U.K.

[Sketch]

Well, AS is definately coming to the U.K.

In before Conan... I'll believe it when I see it.

[TheMecca]

Why didn't they wait to show the Morel Orel christmas special? Shown out of context it sucks (this is my first time seeing it, and I've seen the other 9).

[Rabi~en~Rose]

will these latest anime ratings so us why E7 was pushed over the edge?


Saturday, May 20th


IY: 225,000
GitS: 201,000
Champloo: 175,000


there are no words :eek:


Down: IY
New: GitS, Champloo

[Mugen]

Holy ****, those Saturday ratings suck.

[Carlos]

will these latest anime ratings so us why E7 was pushed over the edge?


Saturday, May 20th

IY: 225,000
GitS: 201,000
Champloo: 175,000
there are no words :eek:

Saturday should become "night where they throw randow Toonami shows and see if they would catch on with the 18-34 crowd."

[Rabi~en~Rose]

Sunday, May 21st


F-Guy: 1,130,000
Chicken: 961,000
ATHF: 745,000


significantly better :sweat:


Up: F-Guy (x2), Chicken, ATHF (x2)

[Sketch]

will these latest anime ratings so us why E7 was pushed over the edge?


Saturday, May 20th

IY: 225,000
GitS: 201,000
Champloo: 175,000
there are no words :eek:


Down: IY
New: GitS, Champloo

Gah... that means E7 really is tanking.

Quite fooling yourself Adult Swim. You need to give up Saturday and maybe quit being your own network.

[Pepperidge]

Please AS, just kill Saturdays and disperse all anime premieres to weeknights. I can't watch this trainwreck anymore, even from afar.

[Master Moron]

Well, that explains why Eureka 7 is being shipped to 1:30. I mean, it got less that 175,000. I don't think any premiere has done that badly since the Wolf's Rain days. Of course, I could just blame the ratings on it being summer, like I do every year, but, no one ever listens to me anyway. Besides, the ratings haven't really been all that great all year. I don't even remember the last time the Saturday ratings went past 500,000.

[Demonic Raven]

I never imagined Eureka Seven would do THAT badly. I don't even want to see what the actual ratings were. Less than 175,000...being beaten by reruns.....oh so painful.

[Freedom Fighter]

I'd hope GitS would at least be pushing 300K... we're in the final episodes... everything's going to hell, explosions, massive amounts of death, the Major and Kuze eyeing each other up. Adults can't take ultimate escapism anymore?

And damn... by golly, I think the whole 'five trial episodes' ideal is more popular than I thought. In comes Episode 6, and pow... down go the ratings for E7. Ouch... why don't you just shoot me now, AS? (To be honest, one of the main characters could die a gruesome death at the start of next week's episode, and the ratings would still go down.)

To think AS anime is on the verge of dying. Ironic, since a year ago FMA went on that self-imposed midway hiatus and we got Champloo, Paranoia Agent, and S-cry-Ed in return. Did AS really shoot themselves in the foot doing that? So far, it seems so...

[William C. Maune]

Well, that explains why Eureka 7 is being shipped to 1:30. I mean, it got less that 175,000. I don't think any premiere has done that badly since the Wolf's Rain days. Of course, I could just blame the ratings on it being summer, like I do every year, but, no one ever listens to me anyway. Besides, the ratings haven't really been all that great all year. I don't even remember the last time the Saturday ratings went past 500,000.

Yep, it's bad, and Summer may definitely be one of the causes. However, I think that it would still only be one of the causes. Summer or no summer it is still the lowest action Top 3 (especially for a premiere) since the day's of Wolf's Rain.

I'm really suprised that Eureka 7 is doing this badly. There are definitely those who don't like it, but the opinion definitely is far from universal. It may start off slow, but it moves a lot more than Wolf's Rain at least. Then again, Eureka 7's poor ratings may not be all its own fault. Some other factor seems to be bringing the whole block way down. Ghost in the Shell Season 1 often broke in the 400,000's yet the second to last episode of Season 2 can barely make 200,000. I definitely don't want to see AS give up on anime, some of these series probably wouldn't make it onto television without Adult Swim, but Saturday sure needs help.

[Sketch]

So the question is now... What can fix it?

Futurama isn't nearly as strong as it used to be so if they're looking for comedy infusion they'll have to try something else.

I wouldn't worry about AS giving up on anime entirely though. They just may relegate anime to the latest slot on all nights. They know anime has a fanbase and as much as they enjoy toying with anime fans they also want to keep them somewhat satisfied so they'll stick around.

But Saturday... what to do about Saturday...

At this point I think a marathon of DBZ would be doing better.

Actually... maybe that's why they got Bleach. :sweat:

Though I'm starting to think Adult Swim is getting too big for it's britches and that's why they resort to airing Oblongs on weekdays now. Perhaps expansion and even becoming their "own network" was not the best idea. Family Guy remains quite strong but the rest of the block besides Robot Chicken isn't quite up to par these days. Hopefully summer will change but it's not just the action ratings that aren't up right now it's most of the comedy ratings as well. It may be be time to cut some losses and scale back to being 11PM-6AM Sunday - Thursday. Then air only 2AM-6AM on Saturday as well as Friday just for some fan favorites in order to keep their precense on Saturday and also ad Friday. By those late hours adults are back from their party's and boozing and could use some wind down TV before hitting the sack. Adult Swim is perfect for that.

But even though I say this... it's not like CN is doing fantastic right now. Infact they're getting quite desperate. Though I do think their projected summer prime time line-up including several action shows (including Naruto) and some well performing original comedies should give them a fighting chance and improve the ratings a lot this summer but Naruto, Foster's and Ben 10 can only do them so much good...

[beren]

I never asked this before, but, are these ratings even real? Can anyone verify any of this?

[William C. Maune]

I never asked this before, but, are these ratings even real? Can anyone verify any of this?

They are as real as it gets. The ratings are direct from Adult Swim and displayed by Adult Swim during their Sunday night broadcast.

[beren]

I was going to edit my post, because people often miss the obvious. I should have because someone posted and totally did not understand.

I know there is a card on AS, I know it says the ratings. I never asked this before, but, are these ratings even real? Can anyone verify any of this? This being that the ratings AS claims to get.

I don't know of any other Television station or Radio station that does this (post ratings down the individual ie; 300,301 instead of just 300k) , I know alot of how ratings are determined are secret, if a radio station reveals how the statistics are compiled they can be in legal trouble. I am not paranoid, I am just curious why we are believing what we see on tv.

[William C. Maune]

I know there is a card on AS, I know it says the ratings. I never asked this before, but, are these ratings even real? Can anyone verify any of this? This being that the ratings AS claims to get.

While Adult Swim does play a lot of jokes, they have been airing the ratings cards for a long time and there has never been any indication that they are not legit.

I don't know of any other Television station or Radio station that does this, I know alot of how ratings are determined are secret, if a radio station reveals how the statistics are compiled they can be in legal trouble. I am not paranoid, I am just curious why we are believing what we see on tv.

Adult Swim is only showing the ratings though, not revealing how they are compiled. Similar information can often be found in press releases and news articles.

[livingfruitvirus]

I was going to edit my post, because people often miss the obvious. I should have because someone posted and totally did not understand.

I know there is a card on AS, I know it says the ratings. I never asked this before, but, are these ratings even real? Can anyone verify any of this? This being that the ratings AS claims to get.

Adult Swim would be in a LOT of trouble if they lied about their ratings.

[beren]

Why would they be in trouble? I think of it in two ways, maybe it is one big joke, and they sit around laughing at people on message boards freakin out, or it is a way to control the community, they want to move AS in a certain direction so they make up ratings that make all of thier actions look totally justified. The company that does the ratings probably reports directly to the various advertizers as an independant agency, this company may or may not report the ratings back to AS, and AS might have its own internal way of determining ratings. In any case the bumps are just there to "educate" the fans on what is happening at AS, and if you have ever read the bumps before, they are often completely full of ****. Not that I don't trust people who lie and make sarcastic remarks constantly, I think these ratings are probably real, but does anyone have any proof of any sort, any press release?

Here is an example on what an article on ratings looks like,

http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/article.php?Article=1609

This is what I am used to seeing, 4.5, 10.0 etc. I am not used to seeing that exactly 961,000 people watched robot chicken last week.

[William C. Maune]

but does anyone have any proof of any sort, any press release?

If someone wanted to go digging I'd bet they could find a press release with similar ratings (the press releases generally focus on specific shows as opposed to the top three of the night). We can create all the conspiracy theories we want, but there has never been anything to indicate that the ratings in the cards are not legit.

[One Radical Dude]

Those numbers are depressing, and it doesn't bode well for [as] Action. I can see why E7 is being shoved to later hours. Anime premieres need to be aired on Monday-Thursday (or at least one of the four days), and either encores on Saturday night/Sunday AM or give 11 PM-6 AM back to Toonami/Cartoon Network. How low will these numbers go in the upcoming weeks?

[Chad Bonin]

Wow. I don't remember cards starting on my birthday, but I remember talking to Matt Williams about it.

[beren]

There has never been anything to indicate that the ratings in the cards are not legit.

There has never been anything to indicate that moon people don't take me at night, however that is a stupid statement. What should be asked is there any evidence that moon people take me at night, because it is almost impossible to prove a negative. Just like instead of asking is there any evidence that the rating cards are fake, we ask is there any evidence that they are real?

[William C. Maune]

The moon people told me that the ratings cards were real.

[The Landstander]

Well, you already paid to advertise. Oh, you thought it was watched more? What gave you th-oh, was it those card things? We were just joking around we're so wacky we were jus

[beren]

It would be dumb if advertizers did not consult independant, third parties in regards to ratings.

[livingfruitvirus]

Why would they be in trouble?

Because Nielsen Media Research would sue them.

[Havok]

Perhaps spreading anime back to weekdays, as another poster said, wouldn't be the worst of ideas. Those ratings are pretty abysmal, and it seems as though the saturday block is prone to this kind of treatment. I wonder how these compare to the earlier version of Adult Swim Action.

[Tachikoma]

I know alot of how ratings are determined are secret, if a radio station reveals how the statistics are compiled they can be in legal trouble. I am not paranoid, I am just curious why we are believing what we see on tv.

I don't believe there are any "secrets" for determining Nielsen ratings... there are diaries & people meters:
People Meter samples
Our national sample, composed of a cross-section of representative homes throughout the United States, is measured by People Meters, a technology that has been in place since 1987. These meters give us information about not only what is being viewed on the set, but also exactly which members of the household are watching.
The People Meter is a “box” — about the size of a paperback book — that's hooked up to each television set and is accompanied by a remote control unit. Each family member in a sample household is assigned a personal viewing button, which is matched to that person's age and sex. Whenever the TV is turned on, a light flashes on the meter, reminding viewers to press their assigned button and to indicate that they're watching television. Additional buttons on the People Meter enable guests who are also watching to participate in the sample by entering their age, sex and viewing status into the system.
In addition to our national measurement, Nielsen also measures some of the nation's largest local markets (such as New York, Los Angeles and Chicago) with Local People Meter Technology.

Diary samples
Smaller markets (such as Honolulu, Hawaii; Tallahassee-Thomasville, Fla., and Fargo-Valley City, N.D.) are measured by paper diaries only. These seven-day diaries (or eight-day diaries in homes with DVRs) are mailed to homes to keep a tally of what is watched on each television set and by whom.

Here's an example of numbers you might find in a press release:
Show Title (Airdate & Time) Demographic numbers (Males 18-24/Adults 18-34) delivery (999,000) ratings (2.1)

The Demos are the advertiser target for the show. The delivery numbers represent how many of the 88 million CN subscribers tuned in for a show. The rating number is a percentage of the household audience relative to the total TV universe. For more information about ratings, visit http://www.nielsenmedia.com

Adult Swim is showing you the delivery numbers for a show's airing, but not bothering to show the rating or the demo.

[NickWhiz1]

*looks at Saturday ratings*

...

...

The recent schedule changes are just going to make things worse, if that's possible...

[Mugen]

It would be dumb if advertizers did not consult independant, third parties in regards to ratings.

AS gets their info from Nielson Media Research. The numbers correspond with what Nielson has. Like livingfruitvirus said, Nielson would sue if AS was making it up.

[Duke]

Adult Swim is showing you the delivery numbers for a show's airing, but not bothering to show the rating or the demo.Actually, they do show the demo at the top of the ratings listing. It's for the 18-34 demo.

[Carlos]

Actually, they do show the demo at the top of the ratings listing. It's for the 18-34 demo.


*Wonders how E7 would have done on Toonami*

[KuwabaraTheMan]

*Wonders how E7 would have done on Toonami*

Because slow moving shows have a history of success on Toonami...

Probably would have done just as bad there.

[HG Revolution]

I'n surprised no one has commented on those live-action rationale cards. Man, did I find those offensive. Now I'm certain AS doesn't want people watching anything of theirs, anime OR comedy unless it's live-action.

[IanC]

Well, AS is definately coming to the U.K.
what, huh?

[Mugen]

what, huh?

They had a card saying they had met with someone who is trying to put AS on in the U.K.

[Beat]

Well, when I'm right, I'm right.

Adult Swim needs to drop the whole anime act. Half of WS doesn't even like it and they obviously can't make it successful with their current stragety. Fix it or dump it.

[The Collector]

It could be that AS has finally succeeded in alienating anime fans with their "jokes" to the point that they no longer tune in to watch. As for the casual viewers, I imagine it's hard to get interested in watching something that the station, itself, makes fun of all the time.

Memo to AS: Ridiculing your own shows is not a good marketing strategy.

[Master Moron]

Because slow moving shows have a history of success on Toonami...

Probably would have done just as bad there.

Yeah, but what appeals to adults differs from what appeals to kids. Most adults think Naruto kind of starts slow, but kids got into it right away. Kids might think the crew of the Gekko State playing pranks on Renton is funny, as opposed to adults who find it childish. I'd be willing to bet that if Naruto went to Adult Swim it would be demolished.

[William C. Maune]

Well, when I'm right, I'm right.

Adult Swim needs to drop the whole anime act. Half of WS doesn't even like it and they obviously can't make it successful with their current stragety. Fix it or dump it.

I'm glad they haven't dumped it. Many of these shows likely wouldn't be on television otherwise (or at least on a network that most people actually get). I'll take a late night run over nothing any day.

[Scirel]

It could be that AS has finally succeeded in alienating anime fans with their "jokes" to the point that they no longer tune in to watch. As for the casual viewers, I imagine it's hard to get interested in watching something that the station, itself, makes fun of all the time.

Memo to AS: Ridiculing your own shows is not a good marketing strategy.

Seriously. It's okay to do that with any kind of comedy show, since the point is to laugh, but when you do somethign to a serious one, the only way it can be taken is derrogatory.

It started with the crazy Inuyasha fans, and it was understandbale with them, but somehow the AS staff backlash from the young Inuyasha fans spilled over into Anime in general somehow, and that's where the trouble started.

If you look at it that way, S&P is really to blame for forcing Inuyasha onto AS where it didn`t belong in the first place.

[William C. Maune]

If you look at it that way, S&P is really to blame for forcing Inuyasha onto AS where it didn`t belong in the first place.

Eh, I don't think Inu Yasha is really to blame. While the show has had its downs, overall it has been one of the most successful action shows on Adult Swim over the years.

[Scirel]

Eh, I don't think Inu Yasha is really to blame. While the show has had its downs, overall it has been one of the most successful action shows on Adult Swim over the years.

I was talking about the Inuyasha fans on the official form. That was the thing that started the whole "AS making fun of anime" thing when they posted cards about crazy Inuyasha fans on the board and it expanded from there.

If the show wasn`t on AS, they wouldn`t have the problems with the fans, and maybe not started on that whole kick.

[Youko Recca]

Damn, it never ceases to amaze me how retarded Al was in that episode. That fight had nothing to do with his ass, and he barged in only to get the situation worsened. Like a crackhead.


Oh, and Vash looks MAD suspect without his coat.

[herbkir]

I don't think the AS staff making fun of anime fans made one bit of difference in the shows' ratings performance. Something has changed out there in TV anime land when a quality show like GitS draws only 200K for the next-to-last episode that sets up the big finale.

Maybe it's the widespread availability of anime online and in retail channels, where you can see the entire series right away instead of having to wait for weekly installments. That goes hand-in-hand with the huge expansion in broadband service availability. Without broadband, downloading wasn't really practical. Now that broadband's widely available, America can indulge its "right" to instant anime gratification. (Trouble with instant gratification, though, is that it's just too slow.) (^_*)

[Duke]

Plus, the DVD sales of GitS haven't slowed down, at least I don't think so, so the fans are still there.

[v1cious]

wow, now i hope Blood+ doesn't get picked up by Adult Swim, cause it's gonna do horrible. it's almost like the whole saturday demographic is comprised of a bunch of 15 year olds with ADD. what a sad state of affairs.

[HG Revolution]

I don't think the AS staff making fun of anime fans made one bit of difference in the shows' ratings performance. Something has changed out there in TV anime land when a quality show like GitS draws only 200K for the next-to-last episode that sets up the big finale.

Well, making fun of anime might have put off most of the comedy viewers since the bashing began, explaining why anime never got as good ratings as the more successful comedies. However, AS has done several things to really piss off the general hardcore animation fans as of late, mainly airing Saved by the Bell and the constantly crappier WS shows. I know quite a lot of people who love a lot of shows on AS and got into anime through AS but now refuse to watch AS due to their stupidity. So with a lot of the hardcore fans who built AS refusing the watch the block anymore, AS has to fall back on the mainstream for its ratings in general. The mainstream already watches Family Guy and maybe Futurama, has read about Boondocks, and will check out AS's other comedy programing but due to all the anime bashing AS does, the mainstream would be put off watching anime, with the possible exception of a show with so much hype behind it you can't avoid it (which is pretty much just FMA, IY, and maybe Champloo and not much else, and even those shows ratings while not too bad certainly dropped in their later runs due to the decrease in the hardcore fans watching). With the stupid way AS handles anime, I almost wish Monster ends up airing after House or 24 on FOX where the mainstream audiences will notice it and not be too put off by it. Even if it flops, at least good DVD sales are a guarentee and if AS picked up the show after the fact they might be more respectful towards.

[William C. Maune]

wow, now i hope Blood+ doesn't get picked up by Adult Swim, cause it's gonna do horrible. it's almost like the whole saturday demographic is comprised of a bunch of 15 year olds with ADD. what a sad state of affairs.


But if Adult Swim doesn't air it, will any channel actually air it (and will it be a channel that most people actually get)?

[Mugen]

But if Adult Swim doesn't air it, will any channel actually air it (and will it be a channel that most people actually get)?

Are you starting a network anytime soon?:D

[HG Revolution]

But if Adult Swim doesn't air it, will any channel actually air it (and will it be a channel that most people actually get)?

Well, G4 could get it, and surprisingly a lot of people get G4. More people than Nicktoons Network and Boomerang, anyway. It seems to be one of the basic services on digital cable.

[William C. Maune]

Well, G4 could get it, and surprisingly a lot of people get G4. More people than Nicktoons Network and Boomerang, anyway. It seems to be one of the basic services on digital cable.

I don't get G4, but I may be in the minority. More importanly though, do they still show any anime? When they do show anime, doesn't it generally air just as late as the anime on Adult Swim?

[Duke]

I don't get G4, but I may be in the minority. More importanly though, do they still show any anime? When they do show anime, doesn't it generally air just as late as the anime on Adult Swim?
It used to be every night at Midnight, then 1AM, the it got moved to Friday nights with encores over the weekend (and all repeating around 4AM) so that they wouldn't burn through the shows so quickly (since a number of people were complaining about that), but they took Anime Unleashed off the air, seemingly for good.

Now, the only time you'll see anime is when X-Play reviews an anime game (which isn't always a bad review, as they seemed to like the Samurai Champloo game when they previewed it).

And for the record, I didn't get G4 until about a year ago, and it's on Digital Cable up in Philadelphia.

[livingfruitvirus]

Well, G4 could get it, and surprisingly a lot of people get G4. More people than Nicktoons Network and Boomerang, anyway. It seems to be one of the basic services on digital cable.

Only about 50 million homes, which is a minority of the country (110+ million homes). And even though people on the internet seem to know about G4 and talk about G4 a lot, it's really NOT popular. At all.

[Sketch]

Blood+ should do pretty well actually. But eh... it's hard to tell these days. At this point I'm not sure a mega hit in Japan like Bleach could possibly save ASA.

[Conan-san]

Well, AS is definately coming to the U.K. Pics or GTflipO.

[Timmay]

I am starting to think that back when the ratings used to be so good it was nothing more than a fluke.. and that today if you tried the same lineup as back then you probably would end up with similar ratings to the ones we're getting now.

[Master Moron]

Blood+ should do pretty well actually. But eh... it's hard to tell these days. At this point I'm not sure a mega hit in Japan like Bleach could possibly save ASA.

Doesn't Bleach also take a few episodes to get good? In that case, yeah it will probably bomb. I don't know why so many animes try to drive away viewers with boring episodes before they get to the good stuff. You really have to grab the viewer right from the start.

[Ryan227]

About Blood+ I really don't know how it would do. It does move somewhat slowly at points and it has kind of a lot of episodes that people would probably consider fillers (even though I don't...) So that's not good. But when I thought about it I could see it kind of taking Ghost in the Shell's place, in the way that it has an audience already from the original movie. It's also kind of the same type of show, well animated and pretty shocking. Ghost in the Shell hasn't done super great but it's managed to stay on at a pretty consistent time, then again maybe the people at AS just really like it.

I thought Bleach had a really great first episode. It think it'll do fine...

[Swordfish_II]

Doesn't Bleach also take a few episodes to get good? In that case, yeah it will probably bomb. I don't know why so many animes try to drive away viewers with boring episodes before they get to the good stuff. You really have to grab the viewer right from the start.

Remember though: There's a lot of anime that's based off of already popular manga.

[v1cious]

Doesn't Bleach also take a few episodes to get good? In that case, yeah it will probably bomb. I don't know why so many animes try to drive away viewers with boring episodes before they get to the good stuff. You really have to grab the viewer right from the start.
you've gotta love this. whenever a series has episodes to flesh out the plot, everyone complains that it's boring... but then when a show has lots of action, you guys complain about the lack of plot.

anyways
Bleach is pretty just a more mature Naruto, so it will probably bring ratings back to the block.

the real problem is there's not enough to choose from on saturdays. i mean everyone's worn out Fullmetal Alchemist, and Inuyasha has just gotten damn boring. they could easily just replace Cowboy Bebop/Trigun rerun slots with new shows, and people would be happy. it's time they just completely revamped this entire lineup, instead of showing the same damn thing all the time. i suspect this part of the Eureka Seven problem, and that's nobody's gonna endure this whole repetitive lineup for one show that they can just watch on the fix anyway, or better yet watch a less crappy version of it on animevillage.

[Wounded_Dragon]

you've gotta love this. whenever a series has episodes to flesh out the plot, everyone complains that it's boring... but then when a show a show has lots of action, you guys complain about the lack of plot.


That's not what people are saying. A show starting off "slow" is different from a show being all action and no plot. "Action" is usually an effective component of a hook, something interesting to draw the viewers in. Without a good hook...well, you can see the results.

What comprises a good hook depends on the interests of the viewers, which depends on the culture, which can lead to problems for anime.

[Master Moron]

you've gotta love this. whenever a series has episodes to flesh out the plot, everyone complains that it's boring... but then when a show a show has lots of action, you guys complain about the lack of plot.


For the record, I was not complaining about it being boring as I have never seen it. I just heard from the members of this forum that it starts out slow. And I should also point out that fleshing out the plot and having a lot of action are not mutually exclusive.