How many tons can Superman really lift?

[thanos28542]

From watching the BB episode "The Call" Supes lifts a ship outta the water so I have to assume he can lift thousands of tons!? How about MM & WW? How many tons can they put up? :confused:

[Naraht]

Originally posted by thanos28542
From watching the BB episode "The Call" Supes lifts a ship outta the water so I have to assume he can lift thousands of tons!? How about MM & WW? How many tons can they put up? :confused:

It was assumed in "The Call" that Superman constantly gets stronger with more exposure to the sun, so in the future, he's much stronger than in the past.

In the comic he's uberstrong, and can do anything. I hate him.

[Lee]

I've got an issue where an 80 ton building falls on him and he has some trouble lifting it up. I also read where he is at least as strong as the Hulk and he can lift at least 100 tons. But Superman can also lift more when he's flyng so maybe that is how he can lift those huge ships.

[Batman 80]

I too wonder how many tons Wonder Woman and J'onn can lift.

[The Guard]

I have an old SUPER POWERS record where he moves the moon back into it's regular orbit.

[Terminatah]

I just looked at a magazine today (I think it was Wizard) and it said he can lift 8,000,000,000 pounds. So that's 4 million tons.

-Terminatah

[Batman 80]

If Supes can lift 4 million tons then Darkseid must be able to lift at least 8 million tons.

[Watagashi]

It's wierd, though, since on the Batman/Superman Adventures he had trouble lifting an airplane on one of the first episodes.

[X-human]

Originally posted by Watagashi
It's wierd, though, since on the Batman/Superman Adventures he had trouble lifting an airplane on one of the first episodes.

Maybe he just needed to work on his grip and sense of balance. Even supermen need practice.

[Knight]

Originally posted by hot rod
If Supes can lift 4 million tons then Darkseid must be able to lift at least 8 million tons.

In the comics Darkseid has never proven to be as strong as Superman,so he's probably not stronger. Animation wise im not sure. Id say they are pretty even since Darkseid proved he could catch and stop a Superman punch. But how healthy that Superman was is debatable he had not only recently been taken down by a kryptonite missle but was also exposed to red sun light for an extended period. He might not have absorbed enough yellow sun before he went to Apocalyse to have been at full strength.

[Naraht]

I think he's a strong as the person writing the story makes him.
And that's as close to being accurate as one can get with this type of thread...

[SimonMoon5]

The animated version has not impressed me with either his strength or toughness, perhaps because I am used to the Silver Age incarnation of the comics version of Superman, who couldn't be hurt by *anything* (unless it invoked one of his weaknesses) and had no limits on his strength (he could push the Earth around when needed; one time, the young Superman (called Superboy) used his *superbreath* to move the Earth).

While the current incarnation of the comics version of Superman has had peaks and valleys, he moved the Earth again in "The Earth Stealers" and moved the moon in a Morrison-written JLA. (Yes, you can quibble that this was "Superman Blue" but the story was written before Morrison knew that he was dealing with an inferior version of Superman.)

The cartoon version of Superman does not hold a candle to the comics version.

[Batman 80]

I like the cartoon version of Superman. I don't like to see him being a powerhouse all the time.

[TheScarecrow]

How powerful does Superman really need to be? Does he really need to be able to move planets with ease in order to be impressive?

I thought STAS did a good job of making Superman just powerful enough to live up to his namesake (I mean his name is just Superman, not Godman), yet also making him weak enough so there can at lest be some way to add drama to the stories.

[SimonMoon5]

I wouldn't say that Superman *needs* to push planets around to be impressive, despite the fact that when he does push planets around, he is impressive.

However, I do think he should be super enough to be a cut above most things that are encountered. For example, he shouldn't be hurt by "ordinary" laser fire of the sort coming from the "average" robot that supervillains create, nor should such "average, ordinary" robots be able to hurt him with a punch. I prefer for villains to outsmart rather than outfight Superman. If they can outfight him, then he's just not very super... and if he's not super, then what's the point?

Example from the JLA cartoon: Deadshot delayed Superman by some electrical gadget on a manhole cover. Shouldn't happen, imho. Some two-bit assassin shouldn't stop or really even slow down Superman. Of course, I realize that the cartoon version of Superman is a wimp, so I expect these sorts of things. Next thing you know, he'll duck when someone throws their guns at him (like the black and white live-action version would).

[TheScarecrow]

Well okay. So at what point to you draw the line then? Or are you saying that should Superman be so damn powerful that NOTHING and NO ONE can even hurt him or even slow him down?

Next thing you'll probably tell me is that you want Green K eliminated because Superman shouldn't be weakened or killed by a something so mere as a green rock. :rolleyes:

Seriously, how to you keep Superman stories compelling and interesting when he pretty much can do everything and has no limitations or any ability to feel physical pain whatsoever?

[Spider]

Scarecrow,

I think the writers are doing that somewhat. I've noticed that a heck of a lot of things *can* hurt Superman these days in JL. At first, I was miffed (kind of like, 'Hey, he's Superman!'); but I think it does make the storyline better if he has some limitations placed on him somewhere along the line. Everytime Superman has something go wrong, I find myself looking around for Kryptonite!

[Batman 80]

We're see how strong Superman is when he battles Mongul in Warworld.

[Tim Drake]

I liked how strong Superman was in STAS. In JL Superman is significantly weaker. In STAS Superman went against Livewire and her electricity and stood up much longer than JL. However, its because its makes Superman more reliant on the heroes showing that Superman can't do it alone. Still I think if they wanted to they could have a Superman who was stronger and still had stories where he needed help.

[Kal-el]

Superman, IMO, should be much stronger than he is in JL, both physically and mentally. Not only has he been depowered strength-wise, but also intelligence-wise.
A strong and powerful Superman CAN be done so he still requires the rest of the JL to do all the things he still can't do. Even when he is powerful, he can't do everything. He doesn't need to move planets from their orbit or anything like that, but he could stand to be much more 'super' than he is in JL and still retain the drama of the story.

[Stupendous Man]

I can never understand this knee-jerk
reaction some Superman fans have to
Superman bieng anything less than an unstoppable
God.


Some actually says on this thread that if someone
could hurt Superman , then he wouldnt be so "Super".

Gee - how are you defining Super exactly.

Hell, if i knew someone who could defy gravity and fly -
for me that alone would qualify that person as a likely
candidate for the adjetive Super.
Through super strength, heat vision and invulnerability in
there and id say your a shoe in for Super.

Why would anyone long for the days when Superman
could push the moon out of orbit or - god forbid
use superbreath to blow the earth out of orbit ?

Why - Why?

I like a slightly powered down supes ...
and mind you the slightly powered down supes in
JLeague means Supes blinks when a nuclear missile
explodes .

Its called drama my friends .. Supes cant do everything ,
and Supes cant always be the strongest or the toughest.

Thats boring !

If you want to read the adventures of a bieng who is
all powerfull - leave us alone and go read the bible.

For me - give me a supes who can fly , bend steel with his
bare hands ...and still has to break a sweat to lift a tank.

Thats my Superman.

[Kal-el]

Obviously we all have our own opinions as to what Superman should be. Everyone's definition of "super" is different. Agreeing to disagree is probably the only safe way to deal with this or any other topics similar to this.

[Stupendous Man]

Posted by Kal-lel

Agreeing to disagree is probably the only safe way to deal with this or any other topics similar to this.




Sure ... O.K. .. thats one way to handle it.

Of course , another way to deal with this would
be to say that I'm right and that my opinion should be
the barometer by which all other opinions are measured.

But hey ... I'll let you decide which course of action
feels best to you. :rolleyes:

[Kal-el]

Originally posted by The Spirit
Of course , another way to deal with this would
be to say that I'm right and that my opinion should be
the barometer by which all other opinions are measured.
I could say that, but why would I want to admit to something that's not the truth? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Seriously, when dealing with Superman, there are just too many opinions on what or who he should or shouldn't be.

[Stupendous Man]

Posted by Kal-lel

Seriously, when dealing with Superman, there are just too many opinions on what or who he should or shouldn't be.



True ... but usually mine is the correct one. :)

Bottom line .. we dont need a Superman of God like power.

The Justice League Superman power levels are just about right.


I have spoken .... next topic. :D

[Kal-el]

Originally posted by The Spirit



True ... but usually mine is the correct one. :)

Bottom line .. we dont need a Superman of God like power.

The Justice League Superman power levels are just about right.


I have spoken .... next topic. :D

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
As I said, agree to disagree.

I wonder how much Batman can brench press?

[Stupendous Man]

Posted by Kal-lel

I wonder how much Batman can brench press?




Answer: 385 pounds.

next question. . .


( I want to be the McLaughlin of the forum ) ;)

[Kal-el]

Originally posted by The Spirit



Answer: 385 pounds.

next question. . .


( I want to be the McLaughlin of the forum ) ;)
WRONG! The correct answer is 427.25 pounds.
Issue 3!!! What is Batman's time in the 40 yard dash?!?!
(McLaughlin group done SNL style)

what was the topic of this thread again?

[LastSonofKrypton]

Originally posted by Kal-el
Superman, IMO, should be much stronger than he is in JL, both physically and mentally. Not only has he been depowered strength-wise, but also intelligence-wise.
A strong and powerful Superman CAN be done so he still requires the rest of the JL to do all the things he still can't do. Even when he is powerful, he can't do everything. He doesn't need to move planets from their orbit or anything like that, but he could stand to be much more 'super' than he is in JL and still retain the drama of the story.

Preach on, Brother Kal-el! :bosko:

[Knight]

Im not saying Superman should be a god but he seems to strugle moving things he should be able to move easily and is to easily taken down (ex. electric manhole cover).IMO That just shouldnt happen.