Desperate Housewives "Remember" Season Finale Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

The two-hour season finale covers both what has been happening recently and what happened when the housewives first moved on to Wisteria Lane. It all starts at the normal time, 9 p.m. ET on ABC.


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"Remember"
A series of flashbacks take us back to moving-in day on Wisteria Lane for Bree, Susan, Gaby and Lynette, and to how Mary Alice Young brought them all together. Meanwhile Bree gets some frightening news, Susan moves into a trailer, Lynette discovers Tom's secret and all is not well in the house of Solis, on the two-hour Second-Season finale of Desperate Housewives.

[Simpler Simon]

Those two hours just flew by.

Applewhites - the snipers got there surprisingly fast, and it boggles the mind why Matthew would leave his jacket with the girl he just beat to death. But otherwise, this arc came to a really satisfying conclusion. Are they out of the show now?

Bree - fun William Atherton guest appearance, and also cameos from Rex and George (again, this show earns kudos for best seamless guest star integrations). Finally shes proved to her daughter how much she loves her. Hopefully next season might see the two of them work together to track down the wayward son. Did NOT like though, how her new boyfriend is yet another psychotic murderer. That feels rehashing.

Lynette/Tom - was it me, or did the lady Lynette saw through the window seem a lot more refined than this trailer trash we got? A cookie to whoever guessed the kid, thank the show for going that route and not destroying Tom's character.

Gabrielle/Carlos - nice fake with the early traffic accident bit in the first part. I'm not sure how much we're supposed to sympathize with Gabrielle though, since Carlos does have a point of how they're now "even." Maybe the writers felt this too, which is why the finale spent the least time on them.

Susan/Mike - Considering that the show ended on the morning -after- the hit and run, should Susan have heard something by then? Waiting to see what Orson has against convicts (sure it ties into that lady he visits).

Paul/Zach - as the storyline that kicked off this series I guess it deserves continuation, but its starting to wear thin as there's really no one to root for any more. But it seems to have enough content to go another season, so we'll see.

Overall, good season finale. No real strong cliffhangers to make the summer wait unbearable, but that'll just gimme a chance to go through the series again :p

[Doop]

Interesting stuff. I'm wondering if the Applewhites can/will be used after this, though.

Maybe the girl is Orson's daughter and she was raped, which left her into a catonic state? It would explain why he would really hate criminals/convicts (if that is why he ran Mike over).

[DisneyBoy]

I had to rewatch the first hour three times (we have satellite) because I kept taking snack breaks. Oy!

So I give this episode props for finally divulging the origins of how all the Housewives met, as this was certainly a good time to do it, me being a new viewer and all...

But generally I found the whole thing kind of uneven. Too much was happening and changing all at once. Usually, that's okay for a fast-paced one hour show...but for two hours? My head was spinning. One minute I was wondering if the doctor at the home was maliciously punishing Bree or just being professional, and the next he was gone, she was out of the home, and the plot was being dropped. I mean, don't get me wrong, that scene with her and her daughter was IN-TENSE but at the same time, I found myself very confused. So much happens on this show...maybe too much. I mean, half the two hours was spent recapping. If this had been the first time I sat down to watch the series, I wouldn't have had the patience to stick with it.

As someone who saw the 1st season finale, I appreciated them bringing back Rex and Jesse Metcalfe (who was pretty famous at the time for being linked with the show). Those were cool, in-continuity cameos. But again...neither of those characters appeared this season, so jumping back felt awkward.

From how things ended, I'm guessing Alfre and her son have left the show. A family friend told me they'd heard that two characters were leaving, so I'm thinking Alfre and possibly Mike. I'd recently tracked down that old Vanity Fair issue devoted to the show from last season. In it, the actor playing Mike jokingly says he knows the show is about the women, and not as much about him. I think it's possible then, that he decided to leave, but given his strong story-ties to Susan, maybe he'll stick around. Bree, meanwhile, apparently made quite the stink about Teri Hatcher during the photo-shoot, leaving me to think the on-set rivalry is between them, and all this Bree-ness has been about giving her character an interesting exit from the series. Heck, she's just invited a serial killer in. What better hook would there be for the premiere than another dead housewife? But then again, that's already been done.

I really don't care for the "punk rock Housewife". She's not living on Westeria Lane, so why would she be involved in the series? I'm glad that Tom wasn't cheating though.

The rich-kid plot seems to have ended, what with his faux-father pretty much locked away, and the evil neighbour off in anonymity. Maybe they're the characters not returning.

I'm bummed that evil blondie wasn't in the two hours at all. Is she a secondary character? I mean, she appeared in the Vanity cover shoot, but isn't in the group shot at the end of the credits...and didn't get an intro flashback during last night's finale...

I'm undecided now as to whether or not I'll tune in next year. I've had friends with lives this confusing. I don't need to follow a similar show.

[Terminatah]

Applewhites - the snipers got there surprisingly fast, and it boggles the mind why Matthew would leave his jacket with the girl he just beat to death. But otherwise, this arc came to a really satisfying conclusion. Are they out of the show now?The snipers did get there fast, but there was a time jump between the call to the police and the safe being busted open. The jacket thing you can chalk up to not thinking in the heat of the moment. And yes, I would assume they are out of the show.


Gabrielle/Carlos - nice fake with the early traffic accident bit in the first part. I'm not sure how much we're supposed to sympathize with Gabrielle though, since Carlos does have a point of how they're now "even." Maybe the writers felt this too, which is why the finale spent the least time on them.Them being "even" is completely subjective. The situations are totally different, and even if they weren't, it's a cheap justification.

For me, what has played as a big cliffhanger is the condition of Mike Delfino. I actually thought he was in that bodybag before I realized we were looking at Matthew. So I'm very curious to see what happens.

-Terminatah

[Chibi Kageboshi]

nice fake with the early traffic accident bit in the first part. I'm not sure how much we're supposed to sympathize with Gabrielle though, since Carlos does have a point of how they're now "even." Maybe the writers felt this too, which is why the finale spent the least time on them.

True.. but as she stated she has changed. Also, she never wanted to have a child and now she is going to be a mother for carlos, and it was something she never wanted to do. And it is more serious when he is sleeping with the mother of his child... And she has been there for him unlike him.

[TheMecca]

Just wanna throw this out there:
"Carlos is dead" is one of the worst cheats ABC has ever done in the history of their network.
And I thought the ending of St. Elsewhere was bad..

[Master Moron]

The snipers did get there fast, but there was a time jump between the call to the police and the safe being busted open. The jacket thing you can chalk up to not thinking in the heat of the moment. And yes, I would assume they are out of the show.


You know, it's not like it would have been that hard to write a plausible reason why they could have found Mathew's jacket. I mean, he could have splattered blood on it and thrown it in a dumpster. Anything would have made more sense them him to place evidence on his victim.

Also, why the hell didn't Bree just play Betty's message for her therapist instead of throwing sand in his face?

[Doop]

Bree, meanwhile, apparently made quite the stink about Teri Hatcher during the photo-shoot, leaving me to think the on-set rivalry is between them, and all this Bree-ness has been about giving her character an interesting exit from the series. Heck, she's just invited a serial killer in. What better hook would there be for the premiere than another dead housewife? But then again, that's already been done.

If they have to kill someone off, make it be Terri. Bree is FAR more interesting a character. :sweat:

[mikestorm]

In Season 1 we learned that drug-addict Diedre has a sister (Kendra - the woman who ran after Susan and got in her car when she visited Diedre's father to talk about Mike).

Why was she cut out of the will?

Here's my Orson prediction:

We found out in Season 1 that Delfino killed a corrupt cop who was forcing Diedre to have sex with him. The cop is Orson's dad/brother. Delfino most likely subconsciously recognized Orson from the his murder trial ("You look familiar to me"). Orson apparently made the final connection when he found out Mike served time. The committed relative is catatonic as a result of the murder (i.e. grief-stricken) which is why the anger is fresh in Orson's mind and why he ran down Mike. I don't think they ever mentioned where the murder took place, but it was probably the state in which Orson's diploma was bestowed (Michigan, Minnesota?)

[Tobias]

In Season 1 we learned that drug-addict Diedre has a sister (Kendra - the woman who ran after Susan and got in her car when she visited Diedre's father to talk about Mike).

Why was she cut out of the will?



Because she kidnapped Edie's son and went into hiding.
;)

Not as good as the S1 finale, but still pretty decent:

- In a recent interview, the guy who plays Mike says he's got a major role again in S3, and that several actors are gone. I think the Applewhites, Zack, Paul, and Felicia will all either be gone completely or just take a backseat to the Housewives again.

- I was kind of hoping we'd see where Andrew ended up, but hopefully we won't have to wait to far into S3 to find out what happened with him (And Justin, who's either trying to find him, or has brought Andrew home and is hiding him).

- It's good to see that Bree's starting to get her life together again, although I don't think Orson's as deranged as George was, but we'll find out soon enough.

- I was the one who called the 'Tom had a secret child plot'. I'm glad that's what the big secret was, and that Lynette and Tom can get back to their life, although there's still the matter of Lynette's scumbag boss who canned Tom.

Looking forward to S3 now.

[CookieS]

The reason this episode rocked was because it was a flashback to the lives they led in season one. I think we can all agree the first season was the best! It was the housewives being friends and actually hanging out. There has been so much drama this season, they barely see each other in passing.

[Terminatah]

Just wanna throw this out there:
"Carlos is dead" is one of the worst cheats ABC has ever done in the history of their network.
And I thought the ending of St. Elsewhere was bad..Completely disagree. A lot of us thought Carlos was really dead for that long commercial break. And I like the way it fooled me, too. Because when I first saw the news broadcast, I didn't even think twice about the fact that it wasn't Carlos. But then, during the break, I started thinking about Gabrielle's reaction, and by the time they got back from break, I thought he was dead. What makes it funny is that the writers know it's a big season finale and they wanted to jerk the fanboys around for a bit. It's the same reason they throw in all those little cameos and in-jokes. It's not like they even dragged out the "Carlos is dead" thing either, at least beyond a commercial break. They made us sweat it out, but not at the expense of episode running time. Point is, they knew what they were doing. This finale was all about the fanboys.


You know, it's not like it would have been that hard to write a plausible reason why they could have found Mathew's jacket. I mean, he could have splattered blood on it and thrown it in a dumpster. Anything would have made more sense them him to place evidence on his victim.He could have done it out of decency or respect for the dead, not considering DNA. Or maybe he knew in the back of his mind that his own brother was going to take the heat, so he could simply claim that the brother took the jacket, or that his girlfriend had borrowed it. There's a million different ways to see it, but then, the writers didn't make it very clear either. I suppose it doesn't matter.


Also, why the hell didn't Bree just play Betty's message for her therapist instead of throwing sand in his face?There simply wasn't time. ;)

-Terminatah

[Simpler Simon]

Completely disagree. A lot of us thought Carlos was really dead for that long commercial break. And I like the way it fooled me, too. Because when I first saw the news broadcast, I didn't even think twice about the fact that it wasn't Carlos.

Me too. Like I said above, I wouldn't put it past the show to write off a few regulars/semi-regulars, since they've done so several times already. But who did get killed, did Carlos send the gardener that was eyeing Xiao-Mei? Fuzzy on how you can actually do that without them catching you, but whatever.

[The Penguin]

My family was visiting this past week so I finally watched the season finale Saturday night. The flashbacks worked very well and I liked the chance to look back. This reminded me again of how much I miss Rex. He was such a stable, calming, realistic influence on that family that they are now sorely lacking. Every bad thing that has happened to Bree this year is tied to her husband being gone.

Bree came looking for help and then didn’t want to take it. I don’t think the doctor wanted to do anything other than help her and she didn’t seem to be very interested in taking that help. She went all out to break out of there though and ended up saving the day. Bree has one of her kids back.

I felt Matthew was treated kind of unfairly when it came to the big reveal of the big secret this season. He didn’t maliciously murder that girl, he was protecting his brother. Making his mom think Caleb did it wasn’t cool, but he seemed to be right in the fact that Betty cared more about Caleb than she did him. The Applewhites, the two remaining Applewhites, appear to be leaving Wisteria Lane for good.

I’m not sure what Karl’s deal is at this point. We’ve established that he still cares for Susan, but is this about him and Susan or his not really caring for Mike. I’m sure a part of him does just want to help his daughter, but he doesn’t seem to do much out of the kindness of his heart. But what the heck is Mike doing proposing to Susan anyway? They were together for less than a year and it’s not as if that year was all wine and roses. Orson the dentist seems to have a connection to Mike he doesn’t want him to remember.

Speaking of Mike and connections, Zach Young now has it all since he killed his grandfather. Zach is a disturbed young man, and I would think Noah would have picked up on that. I feel bad for Paul, he’s not being totally respectful of his son, but he still raised the boy, now he doesn’t seem to want to help him.

Carlos is cheating with Xiao-Mei?! He’s had to put up with a lot from Gaby (loved the John flashback and the mention of Justin), but that never seemed liked his style. I guess good for her, but I’m still shocked. She actually has started to change. The ‘Desperate Husbands’ keep getting bumped off or thrown out, the apparent death was almost too much for me. Since he isn’t dead, I hope Carlos comes back.

Thank goodness, Tom wasn’t cheating on Lynette. He kept the secret, but it wasn’t as bad as it could have been. Them more or less making up and the kids seeing their dad was a nice moment. Still I fear that this is going to mess with the Scavos quite a bit with the crazy Nora (played by the often crazy Kiersten Warren from Saved By The Bell: The College Years) moving to town. Is it wrong that I wouldn’t mind if something happened to her and her daughter? :evil:



I'm bummed that evil blondie wasn't in the two hours at all. Is she a secondary character? I mean, she appeared in the Vanity cover shoot, but isn't in the group shot at the end of the credits...and didn't get an intro flashback during last night's finale...No, Edie is not really a main character and I don’t even consider her “one of the housewives.” I have never understood why they often promote Nicollette Sheridan in the media as if she is a big part of the show and right up there with the four.