Evo - The Best Cyclops Ever?

[Stu]

Hey,

I know a lot of people here are spilt with thier feelings as to what X-Men: Evolution did/didn't do with thier characters, but one thing I felt Evo portrayed absoloutly perfectly was Cyclops. Given that his character often lends itself towards a dull Boy Scout role or plain suck up to Xavier, it was refreshing to see a Cyclops that was really cool, but also a natural leader rather than resorting to being a bad boy rebel and such.

What about you? Do you think the very best portrayal of Cyclops can be found in X-Men: Evolution?


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[AdamYJ]

I thought he was pretty cool. He was still like the more familiar versions of Cyclops, but they let him still be young and enjoy himself from time to time. Recently, one of the more popular takes on Cyclops is that of someone who's sort of an emotionally repressed jerk, so I'll take the Evo version over that anyday.

[Azrael24]

The Evo version is the only version i really like, in the movies and most comics hes very grim and i not very fun. he was a great leader and his relationship with jean was played out great in xmen evo. also the relationship with rogue (it is debatable whether it was brother/sister or boyfriend/girlfriend relationship tho)

hopefully cyclops will be like in evo in the new show

[cheeno]

Evo version is the best version of all the X-Men characters.Cyclops was cool,but just a little skinny.

[HellCat]

For some reason, the scene that sticks out in my mind with Evo Cyclops is that finale episode where the institute had blown up and Cyclops, having at least partially figured out what's going on, attacks what is believed to be Professor X. I think that showed he had loyalties but ultimately was more concerned with the safety of his team mates.

[Beastbot X]

To quote that PSP commercial:

"Hells yeah?"

"Hells yeah!"

[Sandoz]

Yes, Evo Cyclops is my favorite Cyclops. In the comics he has too much baggage to be a likable character: there's the Madelyne Pryor/Jean Grey fiasco, his affair with Emma, his major psychological issues about control and being a leader...he's not a fun guy. In TAS Cyclops was another dry, boring character, and in the movies he takes a backseat to Wolverine.

Evo Cyclops is loyal, stiff, and straight-laced like all his other incarnations, but he never crosses the line into becoming a jerk. He's honest, well-meaning, and sincere. He never forgets to be a teenager: he angsts, he blasts his car radio, and he even blows off his homework. He's a very well-rounded, sympathetic character.


Cyclops was cool,but just a little skinny.
That's actually appropriate, since Scott's nickname in the comics used to be "Slim."


For some reason, the scene that sticks out in my mind with Evo Cyclops is that finale episode where the institute had blown up and Cyclops, having at least partially figured out what's going on, attacks what is believed to be Professor X. I think that showed he had loyalties but ultimately was more concerned with the safety of his team mates. Um, Cyclops knew "Professor X" was Mystique.

[HellCat]

Um, Cyclops knew "Professor X" was Mystique.

*hangs head* I am a casual viewer...

[spyke]

I'm in complete agreement with you guys, X-MEN EVO Cyclops was the best portrayal of he character.

[ifthismeansevos]

Yes, Evo Cyclops is my favorite Cyclops. In the comics he has too much baggage to be a likable character: there's the Madelyne Pryor/Jean Grey fiasco, his affair with Emma, his major psychological issues about control and being a leader...he's not a fun guy. In TAS Cyclops was another dry, boring character, and in the movies he takes a backseat to Wolverine.

Evo Cyclops is loyal, stiff, and straight-laced like all his other incarnations, but he never crosses the line into becoming a jerk. He's honest, well-meaning, and sincere. He never forgets to be a teenager: he angsts, he blasts his car radio, and he even blows off his homework. He's a very well-rounded, sympathetic character.

That's actually appropriate, since Scott's nickname in the comics used to be "Slim."

Um, Cyclops knew "Professor X" was Mystique.
I couldn't said it better!

[Warrior Kitana]

I never really cared much for Scott/Cyclops in the comics, movies, or TAS, pretty much for the same reasons Sandoz listed. I agree Evo is the best version of Cyclops (even though he's still not one of the more interesting characters). He's still loyal and a bit of a boy scout, but not nearly as much of a stiff jerkass. Much more likable and relatable in comparison to his other versions.

[RAINMAN]

LA: don`t get me started.

TAS: I like him. Yes he did not show much personilty but he was good leader. he didn`t just go in blasting away. He did make plans and when plane A didn`t work there was plane B. In final descion when it look like everyone given up,cyke got up from his seat walking to the black bird saying if nobody does nothing, there be a future worth fighting for. Even wolvie back him up. Hes a good character just didn`t have enough focus ep`s to draw his will to never give up out except for maybe 2.

Comics: I live this guy. Not much as a stiff most think he is. There were good stories of him in the 80`s in UC and X-Factor. Leading a team full of people whit conflicting personilty is not easy either... then you had to deal whit the loose cannon wolvie. If any of you knew what cyke had to do to keep wolvie from killing people during missions??? Then there were times when charles wanted to close the school cause he felt his dreams would never come true then cyke would talk him out of it to keep the dreame alive. Cyke and charles has the best father&son reletionship in comics. But due to the events in deadley genises that reletionship seem to be on the rocks. Hopefully in time they will patch things up.

EVO: I first I really didn`t like him,then as the series went on he statred to grow on me. Hes the best version outside the comics but not overall.

[Spider-Man]

I think what made Scott work really well in X-Men: Evolution was that this was Scott Summers before he became even more straight-laced and stiff. We saw him making mistakes and learning and on the path to becoming the Scott Summers that we know from the other cartoons and comics. He had a personality and went through conflict. In the other cartoon Scott Summers was already past that which makes it hard for us to connect to him and be sympathetic to his character.

[Bowles]

I agree with what Spider-Man said. Evo Scott is my favorite Scott (followed by Ultimate Scott), and he's really a great character, I think. He's not as bitter, I think, and still has that idealistic approach to everything but also finds himself willing to fight if that's what he needs to do.

My 3 favorite Cyke episodes:

Day of Reckoning (um, duh)
Middleverse (you saw the strict Scott loosening up, and also this exchange:

Scott: Everyone stand back. I'm going to use full power. This could get messy.
Kitty: Um, You know, I could just like phase through the gizmo and quietly short it out. *blank looks for Evan and Scott* Oh, Right. Forget I mentioned it. Like, What is it with guys and explosions anyway?

And of course Blind Alley, even if the rest of the epidode wasn't that great (is it just me, or is Cyke really good at telling when Mystique's being an imposter?)

[JAG]

I haven't seen much of X-TAS, but I don't much care for what little I've seen of Cyke in that show. I haven't read any of the comics, but I have read novels based on the comics, and he's okay in those.



in the movies he takes a backseat to Wolverine


No, he wasn't in the backseat, he was tied to a rope being dragged twenty feet behind the car.:p Which sucked, IMO.:(

I'd have to say the Evolution version is best.

[Crash]

No, he wasn't in the backseat, he was tied to a rope being dragged twenty feet behind the car.:p Which sucked, IMO.:(

That, in a nutshell, is why Evo Cyclops is the best incarnation of the character. Everywhere else, he's all too often reduced to just being the authority figure the Wolverine (or Gambit) rebells against. When he isn't being as a prop to make others look cool, the stories about him are rarely about him, but rather him and Jean, his kids/potential kids, his messed up family tree, etc.

In Evo, he was allowed to just be a character. As others have pointed out, he wasn't always a prick, and was occasionally a teenager. Also, he had friends (Kurt! And that Paul guy in the first season.) Not just subordinates, but people he actually hung around with and talked to. He had a love interest that wasn't Jean or some other psychic. He had personal rivalries with people for reasons other than Jean or his genetic code. (Lance, because he was the defacto leader of the Brotherhood. And Mystique because, well, because she tried to kill him on several separate occassions.) And in general, when he was used a supporting character, he wasn't obnoxious.

Couple all that with a design that, while not specacular was nice visually, and his occassional ass-kicking moments, and you've easily got the best Cyclops inarnation to date.

[Daredevil_2003]

Am I the only one that likes Cyclops as the stiff-assed jerk who's a total boyscout? It's his character, and I like him how he is. It's definitely a nice contrast to Wolverine's laid-back, rulebreaker persona. Cyke is a natural leader with a good head on his shoulders but he's boring. I dont mean boring as in bad reading I mean he's a boring person. The X-Men is his life and if he's not training or out on a mission with the team he's hanging out with Jean or being emo in a corner over her death or leaving him or whatever it is this week that's bugging him. That's who he is. Saying that's not him is like saying being abrasive and spending his free time drinking beer and smoking cigars isn't Wolverine.

I'll agree that often times Scott ends up taking a backseat but that's the writer not giving him enough to do. Doesn't mean his character is being portrayed wrong. It's just not being utilized enough. Which is a shame but I dont lose too much sleep over it because although I do like Mr Summers he's far from my favorite character.

[ifthismeansevos]

Now I ove Scott a lil more. It's not like an important matter and I hate to being out of topic. in my defense I'm still shocked. This has to be the best thing that happened to me today!

[RAINMAN]

Am I the only one that likes Cyclops as the stiff-assed jerk who's a total boyscout? It's his character, and I like him how he is. It's definitely a nice contrast to Wolverine's laid-back, rulebreaker persona. Cyke is a natural leader with a good head on his shoulders but he's boring. I dont mean boring as in bad reading I mean he's a boring person. The X-Men is his life and if he's not training or out on a mission with the team he's hanging out with Jean or being emo in a corner over her death or leaving him or whatever it is this week that's bugging him. That's who he is. Saying that's not him is like saying being abrasive and spending his free time drinking beer and smoking cigars isn't Wolverine.

I'll agree that often times Scott ends up taking a backseat but that's the writer not giving him enough to do. Doesn't mean his character is being portrayed wrong. It's just not being utilized enough. Which is a shame but I dont lose too much sleep over it because although I do like Mr Summers he's far from my favorite character.


Didn`t you read my post where I say I like all but one version of red eyes?:(

[Spider-Man]

The balance between Scott being an authority figure and just being stiff was always one of the hardest things for the writers to get down I think. I don't mind him being straight-laced butit seems the writers never knew how to keep him effective while being like that.

[Beastbot X]

Taking this thread to its next logical step, I thought many of the characters in Evo were their best incarnations ever, not just Cyke (disregarding those whose personalities were essentially the same in Evo as in other incarnations, Evo-only characters, and those who didn't get fleshed out much, like many of the new Mutants):

-Beast (not so over-the-top intellectual, more realistic in his discourse with others)
-Rogue (more realistic personality considering her powers)
-Gambit (like Beast, not so over-the-top in one direction, namely when it came to the cool factor. He actually looked surprised, etc. a few times.)
-Angel (not... annoying. Don't really know how to say it other than that...)
-Multiple (c'mon, having a young kid with those powers is funnier than having a grownup with them)
-Post-Season 1 Shadowcat (She was so... unsuperheroey, it seemed more realistic to me--after they got rid of the extreme valley-girlness, that was a tad annoying.)
-Wolverine (Though still a bit brash, he was more mature than his previous incarnations, which you'd expect from someone who A. had to set an example for kids and B. had been alive for more than 100 years.)
-The entire freaking Brotherhood, except maybe Mystique (shouldn't need to explain this one)
-Boom Boom (or this one)
-Pyro (red unkempt hair= more fitting the blonde hair. Otherwise, he's obviously the same as his previous incarnations.)
-Apocalypse (Talked very little-- VERY menacing for an ultimate bad guy)
-Mesmero (Yay! No longer a green dude!)
-Caliban (Zombie man! Zombie man!)

[Undrave]

I don't read comics, but out of the three version of Cyclops I know (TAS, Evo and Movie) Evo Cyclops is the best. I barely even REMEMBER TAS Cyke! And we all know movie writers couldn't do anything with Cyclops. They couldn't do anything with Rogue that only had her absorbtion power.

[x23]

to be honest i really dont like cyclops...but i have to say that i did sorta like him in x-men evolution, he wasn't so bossy and moody. i actually liked the way that quite alot of the charaters were kids, instead of them all being adults.

[Bjarni]

Cyclops has ALWAYS been my all time favourite X-Man. I love him in the comics, hate him in the films and watched Evolution to see his shear awesomeness.

I do agree that Cyclops' fanbase will never be as big as possibly Wolverine's, but he is still such a big member of the team.

Evolution = Best Cyclops out of the comics.

Cyclops TPB's that I think everyone should read:
Eve of Destruction (Back from being possesed by Apocalypse, cool attitude)
Phoenix - Endsong (The return of Jean Grey, emotions curl up as the leader tries to do what's right)
Deadly Genesis (Anger and Betryal from his most trusted allie. A Person he would die for reveals something that will change Cyclops forever)
Torn (Cyclops completelly and utterly destroyed. A VERY good story)

[Jeffrey Logan]

The only Cyclops my mind accepts is X-Men 1992 version, cause in the movies he was rarely visible (thanks to the budget, as I have read), I haven´t seen Pryde Of The X-Men and X-Men: Evolution acts like a 2nd dimension to me, where the characters of Fantastic 4 2006 and The Batman could co-exist

[Antiyonder]

Stu made this thread of course when Evo was the recent version, but I think the points still hold true and even more so.

Evo's Cyclop isn't as uptight as TAS (My favorite example is the ribbing he gives Lance after he dons an X-Men trainee uniform), and gets more focus (the one good thing about emphasizing the teens over the adults).

Even more so, he's developed well as a character.

Before I get specific, like X3, Wolverine and the X-Men took the questionable choice of making his love for Jean into an obsession and that when she was gone/"dead" that he doesn't go on living.

I mean when he gets a focus episode, it's him pouting about Jean. I mean Breakdown has him looking to have his memories of Jean removed from his mind but he can't because Jean's presence in his life meant that his personal traumas no longer hurt and would mean wiping his entire mind. That's not tragically charming, it's obsessive. Even when TAS had him in a similar depression, he put it aside to help out some mutant orphans.

And I don't buy that Wolverine is the focus of the show and thus you couldn't spend time making Cyke interesting. I mean the show did a pretty good job on making Nightcrawler and Angel compelling.

Lets look at Evo. In addition to his feelings for Jean the show would give him other character moments like being an older brother of sorts for Kurt and being the one who continually tried to reach out to Rogue, as well as his status as an orphan and for better or worse his encounter with his brother.

[Rabbitearsblog]

I agree that X-Men Evolution had the best version of Cyclops ever!!! I never did like the fact that Cyclops is always shown as a stiff and strict leader. X-Men Evolution actually showed us a Cyclops that everyone can relate to and I wish that the comics and the next X-Men cartoon series shows Cyclops having somewhat of a laid back and friendly personality.

[Kumori MC]

Okay, I know I should probably write a review [erm, I'm planning on reviewing several Marvel animated series] before discussing Cyke here, but I shall give my two and three fourths of a cent about the leader of the X-men anyway, in his four different incarnations [not counting Pryde of the X-Men.]

1. X-Men TAS; Okay, Cyclops didn't shine too much considering the show was somewhat Wolvie-centric, but he did stand out in a few episodes, most of them with Sinister or his space-pirate poppa. Overall, this was the text-book Cyclops, a leader and a keychain to Jean. Oh, and there was the Purple Man gig which I found enjoyable, and the moment he and Alex Summers had as well.

2. X-Men Evo; Okay, I know people are shouting "Evo Scott iz de bestest evarh!!!!1!!!!one!!!!eleven!!" and writing words of praise and singing gospels to him, but to be frank and not Herbert, I found him annoying. Yes, I get it, he was turned into a teen to fit the demographic. Yes, I agree, he works better when he struggles as a leader than when he's on the top of his game. Yes, the whole romance with Jean was handled more than well, but come on! He came across as a typical ersatz cool kid in high school tv series for kids, the "guy who isn't a jock but is still cool by definition." Argh! However, unlike the previous Cyke, this one actually had some memorable moments [standing up to Wolvie, ditching Mystique, then fighting her blind, so to speak, several episodes later, etc], so he has a plus there.

3. WatX; Now this is the Cyke I enjoyed watching. Broken, run down, mopey, miserable, emo, can't get his act together, Nolan North as a voice actor - how can you go wrong? Alas, he didn't get too much spotlight to shine [seeing as the show was Wolvie-centric from the get-go], but where he did, the job was done in a satisfactory way.

4. X-Men anime; Okay, since most of you didn't watch it, I won't spoil the character traits of Scott in this rendition of his, but I'll say that I was somewhat disappointed, at least visually. But he did manage to find some fans in the animanga audience.

So, to sum up:

1st place: WtaX Summers
2nd place: shared by TAS and Evo Summers...ess
3rd place: anime Summers.

So, yeah, "may he who is without an opinion cast the first flame" and all that palaver. :P

[Mr. Hypocrite]

An old thread but a goodie, so I'll toss my two cents in.

Looking at it in hindsight, I agree that Evo Cyclops is up there. He's definitely one of the character's better incarnations.

I also like WATX Cyclops. Namely due to how when he went wild, even Logan went wide eyed. I actually liked pretty much everything about WATX except You-Know-Who.

Evo showed us a Cyclops who would grow into the leader he would become. WATX showed us a Cyclops who no longer held himself back. Both are sides of him that we probably don't get to see very often.

So yeah, Evo Cyke for me, followed by WATX Cykes, then comics Cyke (and all his baggage) and movies cyclops is dead last.

[Rick Jones]

Evo Cyke was definitely one cool customer, which is how I generally prefer to see him portrayed. Not super angsty or brooding, and no chips on his shoulders, or sticks you know where. Driving that really sweet car might not have hurt his personality, either. As far as I remember, the times when he lost his cool tended to be justifiable such as when Mystique wrecked complete havoc on the team and the mansion, ec.

[Ishin ookami]

One of my favorite cyclops moments is in the graphic novel, God Loves, Man Kills. Which is where most of X-men 2 came from. Prof X has been brainwashed, and is using his psychic powers against the x-men, cyclops has wolverine attack him with his claws, while cyclps fires a optic blast that ricochet's multiple times and is so diluted when it hits the disctracted prof x that it just knocks him out. When wolverine comments that he would have killed prof x if he had focused on cyclops instead of him, cyclops simply responds with "I know" and leaves it at that.

That is why Cyclops is a good character. he is Intelligent, tough, and cool. He cares deeply about all the team, but when push comes to shove, he isn't afraid to take off the gloves.

One of the best moments is also during the eighties, in the proteus comic arc. Wolverine is so traumatized by being torn apart at a cellular level that he has no fight left in him, storm, colossus, and night crawler, are only a bit better off. Cyclops goads wolverine into a fight by throwing coffee into his face and pimp slapping him, then tosses him around like a rag doll. colossus, storm, and nightcrawler all enter the fray trying to break it up, and cyclops manages to hold his own nicely against all four of them. Then, when he's satisfied they got their fighting spirit back. he simply tells them thats enough, explains his game. and rallies the troops back into round 2 against proteus. Even Wolverine expresses that hes never respected cyclops more than at that moment. Then there is the wedding of him and Jean Grey, (in the comics) which is rightly considered a classic for so many reasons. I could go on. As a child, my best friend wanted to be like colossus, tough but with an artistic streak. I wanted to be like cyclops. that alone shows how cool I thought the guy was, and how im appalled by how hes been characterized throughout the past decade.

And animated wise, i never watched evo, so Im going with the TAS version. He didn't have as many shining moments as wolverine did (GAG) but moments like seeing him just pull the team together in "Final Decision" and him just whaling on Mr Sinister in season 2 and saving the teams butt, after breaking out of his chains with just brute strength and willpower, well you cant say the guy didnt get his props.

[TheMadSlasher]

I'm not the greatest Cyclops fan. Honestly, I'm a rebel type so I always loathe Mr. In Charge pretty much on principle.

But Evo-Cyke was kind of likeable.

Nerdy/awkward, not "popular big man on campus whom everyone loves and has the cheerleader girlfriend and is dictator of Mutant North Korea" we have in the comics now. He was painfully goody-goody but in spite of that they made him likeable, sort of.

I honestly have to agree that Evo-Cyke was probably the best (at least, 'one I came closest to liking') out of all the Cykes I've seen.

Anime Cyke (and I hate the X-Men anime) actually had a pretty reasonable 'grieving process' over Jean, which is more than I can say for WATXM.

TAS Cyke was by the book but a necessary character. However, the way he acted towards Bobby in "Cold Comfort" is a huge black mark against him (I identify with Bobby from CC a huge amount). So he's necessary, but a large part of me does kinda want to see TAS Scott get crushed in an hydraulic press. Slowly.

[JTMarsh]

So he's necessary, but a large part of me does kinda want to see TAS Scott get crushed in an hydraulic press. Slowly.
Funny, that's how I've always felt about Wolverine in most if not all his incarnations - just want him crushed by a any means necessary.

For the casual viewer/fan, Evolution Cyclops is probably the easiest one to like. TAS Cyclops didn't get as many "focus eps" as the ever obnoxious Wolverine, but staging fights for him was usually easier since censors don't mind zapping people. W&TXM's Cyclops was too much of a mess of a character to be compelling (and I still say Nolan North was miscast in the role).

[TheMadSlasher]

Funny, that's how I've always felt about Wolverine in most if not all his incarnations - just want him crushed by a any means necessary.

For the casual viewer/fan, Evolution Cyclops is probably the easiest one to like. TAS Cyclops didn't get as many "focus eps" as the ever obnoxious Wolverine.

No one HAS to like Wolverine so you're welcome to your opinion. TAS Wolvie, though, is my favorite Wolvie because of his characterization. However, I absolutely agree with you that all the various Wolvies (most of whom do NOT have characterizations I like) are completely overexposed.

An X-Men show should NOT be "The Wolvy Show" and even if Wolvy is characterized well (i.e. in a manner I like) he needs other characters around him to be foils (for instance, a bossy obsessive-compulsive control-freak Cyclops gives him someone to rebel against) as well as characters that share his traits as a way of highlighting them (and providing ground for establishing friendships between him and others).

He works best in an ensemble cast.

Question; how much of your dislike of Wolvy is due to his character and how much is due to (justifiable) resentment of his overexposure?

[Aaron]

I actually thoroughly dig all the animated incarnations of Cyclops.
Cyclops, for all intents and purposes, is right up there with Superman for me.
Which, I know a lot of people dislike Superman so I can see that a lot of people have a problem with Cyclops.
Because all they see is the stiff boyscout.

But the reason I like the two characters so much is this.
They ARE the boyscout.... sometimes.
And is being the boyscout so bad? They're labeled "boyscout" because they do what is right.
He does what's right, when it needs to be done. He's the good guy, through and through.
But he's also a badass, which he doesn't get enough credit for.
Like the other poster mentioned:
Taking on the whole team by himself, knocking Prof X out when Wolverine would have just killed him, and beating down Sinister.

Even when he's being "emo" (which I don't think he is) over the loss of Jean, he's great.
If the one true love of your life, who you've been with for about 2 decades, who had been the biggest part of your life for most of your life... AND your father figure, who'd been the 2nd biggest part of your life for the same amount of time were supposedly brutally murdered right in front of you. You'd be emotionally and mentally detroyed. And when you find out there's some chance that they're alive, you'd become obsessed too.
And I'm of the firm belief that anyone who claims otherwise is simply in denial.

In WaTX, when they go to Genosha, and when he's looking for Jean, he's just a powerhouse. No stealth. No need for it. Just blasting away and taking names.

I loved the 80s Cyclops, when he appeared on "Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends".
I loved Cyclops in "Pryde of the X-Men".
I loved the take-charge hero that he was in "X-Men TAS".
I loved how he was characterized in his youth on X-Men EVO. It really works well as a prequel of sorts. You could totally see the EVO character becoming the character on TAS.
And I loved the troubled, disturbed character on WaTX.
.
And the movies. Well. I felt that the FIRST movie got him kind of right. They just should have built the movie around the ensemble cast, and not solely around Wolverine. I felt everyone would have been better developed that way.
The rest of the movies.... well you don't need me to tell you.

[suss2it]

No one HAS to like Wolverine so you're welcome to your opinion. TAS Wolvie, though, is my favorite Wolvie because of his characterization. However, I absolutely agree with you that all the various Wolvies (most of whom do NOT have characterizations I like) are completely overexposed.I wouldn't all. Wolverine in X-Men: Evolution wasn't really overexposed.



Even when he's being "emo" (which I don't think he is) over the loss of Jean, he's great.
If the one true love of your life, who you've been with for about 2 decades, who had been the biggest part of your life for most of your life... AND your father figure, who'd been the 2nd biggest part of your life for the same amount of time were supposedly brutally murdered right in front of you. You'd be emotionally and mentally detroyed. And when you find out there's some chance that they're alive, you'd become obsessed too.
And I'm of the firm belief that anyone who claims otherwise is simply in denial.You know what? I never really thought of it like that. I have a new appreciation for Cykes in WatXM ​ now.

[Aaron]

..............

You know what? I never really thought of it like that. I have a new appreciation for Cykes in WatXM ​ now.

I'm glad I could offer a new perspective.
BTW, I reread my comments. If at any point it came across as harsh, I apologize. I don't think it did, but I have a tendency of writing things in a slightly rude fashion, and not noticing it.
(mostly referring to the "denial" remark).

But at any rate. Glad you've found a new appreciation for him in that show. I rather enjoyed the way he was characterized.

[TheMadSlasher]

I wouldn't all. Wolverine in X-Men: Evolution wasn't really overexposed.


You're actually correct about Evolution. I'm talking in a more franchise-wide sense (across all the comics, movies and TV shows). Evo-Logan, I hated and wanted to see him dissected alive, but he wasn't overexposed.

Still, my point remains that generally speaking, across the franchise, things have become excessively Wolvy-centric. Even TAS became that way, unfortunately.

[Antiyonder]

Even when he's being "emo" (which I don't think he is) over the loss of Jean, he's great.
If the one true love of your life, who you've been with for about 2 decades, who had been the biggest part of your life for most of your life... AND your father figure, who'd been the 2nd biggest part of your life for the same amount of time were supposedly brutally murdered right in front of you. You'd be emotionally and mentally detroyed. And when you find out there's some chance that they're alive, you'd become obsessed too.
And I'm of the firm belief that anyone who claims otherwise is simply in denial.


I'm not saying that brooding over his losses was a bad idea, just lacking in execution. In WaTXM, we never see him picking himself back up. But from what I hear, the anime actually does handle the brooding a lot better.

[TheMadSlasher]

I'm not saying that brooding over his losses was a bad idea, just lacking in execution. In WaTXM, we never see him picking himself back up. But from what I hear, the anime actually does handle the brooding a lot better.

I agree entirely.

Anime Cyclops is a bit of an [jerk] (he takes out some of his raaaaage on poor little Hisako), but he DOES handle the brooding much better than in WATXM.

I may not be a Cyke fan, but I know character derailment when I see it, and given Scott's tendency to repress pain and be stoic, he'd recover much quicker than WATXM let him.

But no, WATXM was all about Logan. And not the Logan I liked, he wasn't 'socially acceptable' enough. So we got WATXM's version of Logan, which turned him into a brutish control-freak drill sergeant nasty who bullies Forge.

Mod Note: Watch the language - next time there will be a warning.

PS to Mod: Sincere apologies re. the language. I would've corrected it, but then I saw the term was automatically replaced with the typical line of asterisks and assumed that meant it was pre-filtered out. My mistake. Apologies.

[JTMarsh]

No one HAS to like Wolverine so you're welcome to your opinion. TAS Wolvie, though, is my favorite Wolvie because of his characterization. However, I absolutely agree with you that all the various Wolvies (most of whom do NOT have characterizations I like) are completely overexposed.

An X-Men show should NOT be "The Wolvy Show" and even if Wolvy is characterized well (i.e. in a manner I like) he needs other characters around him to be foils (for instance, a bossy obsessive-compulsive control-freak Cyclops gives him someone to rebel against) as well as characters that share his traits as a way of highlighting them (and providing ground for establishing friendships between him and others).

He works best in an ensemble cast.

I can agree with that. When I rewatch the 90s series (yes, I do in fact rewatch the 90s show sometimes) I prefer episodes where he's part of the ensemble and not the focus. And it was a glaring error on my part to not acknowledge that he wasn't really the star of Evo - an event we're not likely to see again.



Question; how much of your dislike of Wolvy is due to his character and how much is due to (justifiable) resentment of his overexposure?
These days my dislike of Wolverine stems more from the absurd amount of over exposure he gets. They've even made him an Avenger for crying out loud, even as he's supposed to be tied up with the X-Men's activities that's ridiculous.

As for Cyclops on W&TXM, all I saw was a character whose arc never went anywhere. Supposedly his arc was to overcome his grief over losing Jean & Xavier - the former who was probably going to dump him for going psycho on Wolverine in the Breakdown flashbacks (yeah, there's a convincing love story) and the latter who pretty much abandoned him emotionally (yes, I am aware that Xavier had a lot going on at his end but for all the times he took to give Wolvie a pep talk he never stopped even for a second to see if Cyclops was making an emotional progress), and as another poster pointed out Cyclops never really got over his problems. Yes, losing the people you love hurts, but sooner or later you have to pick up the pieces of your life & move on, something W&TXM's Cyclops couldn't do and yet was rewarded for his lack of strength & resolve by being reunited with Jean - and a version of Jean who didn't seem nearly as emotionally invested in him as he was in her. I know a lot of people rag on the 90s version of their relationship, but watching the 90s show I believed Cycke & Jean loved each other, and I believed they loved each other in Evo, but W&TXM what we saw was not love but more of a twisted codependency; the writers wouldn't even let him be a competent recruit before she entered his life, even though the comics establish that being a good X-Man was never his problem (I'm surprised they bothered to feature Jean at all, given that the guys at Marvel seem to hate her & want her to stay dead while being all about Emma Frost, a character I honestly tried to like but could never enjoy). No matter how good an actress Jennifer Hale is (looking forward to hearing more of her as Ms. Marvel on Avengers EMH season 2), she could not convince me that her version of Jean loved Cycke, even when she was begging him not to fight the Phoenix. I'm honestly not sad that version of Cyclops is gone, especially not with the AoA teaser they ended with (come on, we all know the writers wouldn't have had the guts to let him have whatever heroic qualities he had in the original story, not when the show was all about the Wolvie love).