Which Villains need a major revamp before being animated?

[The Overlord]

As you know Timm revamped many lame and convoluted characters into interesting characters while he was creating the various DCU cartoons, ex: Mr. Freeze got a wife, Brainiac became less convoluted and more of a personal enemy for Supes and Clock King was pretty well recreated from scratch. What Marvel villains would need a major revamp to work in a cartoon?

[Wonderwall]

Elektro - I dont want the whiny guy who got hit by power lines who wears a really stupid costume. I like his ultimate look much better, but as for his character I wouldn't know what to do with him.

Sandman - Something about Flint Marko seemed to small time despite the fact that he had these amazing powers. He just never came off as very intimidating. I also never knew what his motivation was.

Some of DD's rogues - We elaborated some nifty ideas in the DD animated topic. Worth checking out we came up with some awesome stuff.

[Hypestyle]

... as we see these Lion's Gate 'toon dvd's come out, I'm hoping that the producers/writers care to update the villains from the original sources, rather than arbitrarily creating new villains..

[The Overlord]

... as we see these Lion's Gate 'toon dvd's come out, I'm hoping that the producers/writers care to update the villains from the original sources, rather than arbitrarily creating new villains..

Any villians in particular you like see revamped put and in the upcomming Marvel DTVs?

[RAINMAN]

Elektro - I dont want the whiny guy who got hit by power lines who wears a really stupid costume. I like his ultimate look much better, but as for his character I wouldn't know what to do with him.

Sandman - Something about Flint Marko seemed to small time despite the fact that he had these amazing powers. He just never came off as very intimidating. I also never knew what his motivation was.

Some of DD's rogues - We elaborated some nifty ideas in the DD animated topic. Worth checking out we came up with some awesome stuff.


I like the crazy fool in the stupid custume. Keep ultimate stuff in ultimate world. And you think the cutume he wears now is stupid? You should see the one he wore once in the late 90`s.:ack: But I argee whit you on the sandman.

[The Overlord]

Elektro - I dont want the whiny guy who got hit by power lines who wears a really stupid costume. I like his ultimate look much better, but as for his character I wouldn't know what to do with him.

Sandman - Something about Flint Marko seemed to small time despite the fact that he had these amazing powers. He just never came off as very intimidating. I also never knew what his motivation was.

Some of DD's rogues - We elaborated some nifty ideas in the DD animated topic. Worth checking out we came up with some awesome stuff.

I think Sandman was just an a really dim thug (he never finished high school) who became a dim thug with super powers. He is criminal because he just isn't that bright, but I thought it was interesting when he reformed, thought it was a shame when the writers reversed that.

[Tash]

Elektro - I dont want the whiny guy who got hit by power lines who wears a really stupid costume. I like his ultimate look much better, but as for his character I wouldn't know what to do with him.
I'm curiuos: What's you opinion on the MTV rebuild of the character?

[Anarky]

i liked the MTV design and the whole "Ghost in The Shell" motif they gave him.

I am partially fond of the old school Green-Yellow suit despite it's corny appearance in these times.

perhaps the Vulture. I never cared for this character in any format. I don't follow The Ultimate titles, is there an Ultimate Vulture?

[Wonderwall]

I'm curiuos: What's you opinion on the MTV rebuild of the character?

I liked the design of the MTV version with the blue and white skin. But that was about it, Ive just never connected to the Elektro charater, I usually like electric based enemies but something about him seemed very off to me. Im aware that SAndman was just a thug with powers but that gets really lame quick so I assume that hes just asking for some sort of revamp.

[AdamYJ]

Im aware that SAndman was just a thug with powers but that gets really lame quick so I assume that hes just asking for some sort of revamp.

Well, that's kind of who he is though. Also, he's one of the few major Spider-villians who fills that role (Hydro-Man does also, but you don't need one on a cartoon if you have the other anyway).

Revamps can be tricky. For example, the folks working on STAS revamped Metallo from being a two-bit thug to being a mercenary. It worked and it made sense because as a street level criminal him and Parasite would have seemed to similar personality-wise. However, I can't picture any similar type of revamp working for Sandman. What could they turn him into? I don't see him as an international mercenary or a mad scientist (besides, Spidey already has a few of those) or anything like that. Flint Marko is Flint Marko. He's a two-bit, blue-collar, uneducated thug interested in a quick buck. That's it.

[Crash]

I imagine Stryfe would need some sort of revamp before appearing. (Perhaps a simplified backstory.) But I think he would make a good big-time X-Men villain.

[Spider-Man]

I remember enjoying Stryfe when he appeared in the comics ages ago. He was a great villain but his backstory just ended up becoming so complicated. I think they just eventually killed him off with The Legacy Virus and just swept him basically under the table. I thought he could have been a great villain along the lines of Mr. Sinister if they just fixed his story and gave him a more solid standing. His design wasn't all that bad either. He is one villain I think would work well animated,

[ifthismeansevos]

Yes Stryfe was cool a weird thing about him is he appears in XMLII Rise of Apocalypse but Cable doesn't that's silly!

[Wonderwall]

Well, that's kind of who he is though. Also, he's one of the few major Spider-villians who fills that role (Hydro-Man does also, but you don't need one on a cartoon if you have the other anyway).

Revamps can be tricky. For example, the folks working on STAS revamped Metallo from being a two-bit thug to being a mercenary. It worked and it made sense because as a street level criminal him and Parasite would have seemed to similar personality-wise. However, I can't picture any similar type of revamp working for Sandman. What could they turn him into? I don't see him as an international mercenary or a mad scientist (besides, Spidey already has a few of those) or anything like that. Flint Marko is Flint Marko. He's a two-bit, blue-collar, uneducated thug interested in a quick buck. That's it.

When you put it that way I guess him being more along the Parasite's level does work. But I still stand by my Elektro remarks:D . How about someone like MODOK? Think he needs a revamping?

[RAINMAN]

i liked the MTV design and the whole "Ghost in The Shell" motif they gave him.

I am partially fond of the old school Green-Yellow suit despite it's corny appearance in these times.

perhaps the Vulture. I never cared for this character in any format. I don't follow The Ultimate titles, is there an Ultimate Vulture?


I don`t think there one yet. But in the 90`s he had his youth fully restore to him at point making the vulture more dangerous then he ever was in years.

[Spider-Man]

I don`t think there one yet. But in the 90`s he had his youth fully restore to him at point making the vulture more dangerous then he ever was in years.
Approaching The Vulture can be a bit tricky. I remember in the 1990s show they gave him this ability to absorb the youth of anyone temporarily. I know it wasn't like that in the early 1960s Spider-Man comics but did he also get that ability in the comics around that time as well? I remember him being young and in a new "armor" like suit for a bit of the 1990s.

[Zombies8MDingo]

Yeah, it happened in Amazing Spider-Man back during Mark Bagley's run. I think I remember Vulture draining Spidey's Mom/clone/whatever life and becoming a vegetable right around when I stopped collecting..

But as for villains needing re-designing, definataly The Wizard.. unless they've finally gotten rid of the huge red helmet?

[Titan]

There is an Ultimate Vulture, I believe. He appeared in the Silver Sable Arc and his name was Blackie Drago. Adrian Toomes, however, has appeared as an inventer working for Bolivar Trask.

Some of these revamps are good. I agree with Electro's costume. I think if the Rhino comes back he should be in the sort of Roboty suit instead of the regular costume. It looks cooler and makes him more menacing. Same with the scorpion. He needs a better costume.

[Atomic_Duck]

The Shocker, they need to make him more of a threat.

[Wonderwall]

The Shocker, they need to make him more of a threat.

Nah him being a hired thug with a nice gimic is enough. But if you're referring his god awful Ultimate incarnation then I agree:p

[ifthismeansevos]

You know it's pretty fun how he's just a loser in the game I miss his TAS incarnation.

[Spider-Man]

The Shocker was always one of my favorite villains from the cartoons. I know he was a bit of a looser in the comics and if I remember correctly they tried to beef him up in the 1990s but didn't manage to pull it off. I like his design and like how they made him a hired thug with a gimmick. That worked for him. Hopefully they'll bring him back in the comics at some point and I got a good laugh out of the Ultimate version of him. Whenever they do the next Spider-Man cartoon it would be great to see him in the villain roster.

[spidl]

The thing you have to look out for is threat does not equal being interesting. So the characters do not need more powers they need better writing. The key to Timm revamp is he made people care about the villians.

Most of the Marvel characters already have a good background. The Sandman reform made him more interesting.

[RAINMAN]

Approaching The Vulture can be a bit tricky. I remember in the 1990s show they gave him this ability to absorb the youth of anyone temporarily. I know it wasn't like that in the early 1960s Spider-Man comics but did he also get that ability in the comics around that time as well? I remember him being young and in a new "armor" like suit for a bit of the 1990s.

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This happend a year before the toon ep`s too. A few issues later vulture would drain the life energy of peter parants"who were clones" and it was supposed to make him young parmentley. But that didn`t stick....of course.:sad:

[90'sCartoonMan]

Some of DD's rogues - We elaborated some nifty ideas in the DD animated topic. Worth checking out we came up with some awesome stuff.

Yeah, the Matador, Gladiator, and Stiltman could all look cooler a la Mr. Freeze. You don't have to change their gimmick, just make them a bit more three dimensional. Heck, throw in Angar the Screamer while you're at it.

Going along with the less convoluted Brainiac thing, I'd say do a long story arc with Kang/Rama Tut/Scarlet Centurion/Immortus. Drop hints about their connection and then later show a full and concise backstory (hey, wasn't Immortus on X-Men?).

And also The Looter just for the heck of it.