Iron Man Season Three?

[Stu]

Hey,

Had the show continued past 26 episodes, what would you have liked to see from Iron Man? Bear in mind that The Mandarin was now defeatad, he had his happy ending with Julia and Forceworks were apprantly reunited. There was still some plot points from season two left unresolved, such as his cloned Father and Justin Hammer, how would you have liked to see those resolved?


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[Apprentice]

Happy endings to relationships are boring. There are some exceptions (Spidey and MJ, Scott and Jean), and even those have their tumultuous turns and frights. Tony and Julia don't work as a long-term couple, which is why this needs to be worked out throguhout the season. Given another 13-episode season, here's how I'd like to have things happen...

Episode #1 - Fragments of the Mandarin, Part One
Force Works begins a new quest - to gather the rings of the Mandarin in order to stop them falling into enemy hands. Things aren't as simple as they seem, however, when the tyrnannical Maximus sets his sights on them...Guest-starring the Inhumans.

Episode #2 - Fragments of the Mandarin, Part Two
It's Force Works versus Maximus and the brainwashed Inhumans, with the fate of the world hanging in the balance! Can Iron Man, Spider-Woman, and their allies even hope to overcome the odds? Guest-starring the Inhumans and the Fantastic Four.

Episode #3 - Crimson Dawn
Iron Man and Spider-Woman finally get some time to themselves when they leave on vacation...only to find themselves hunted by dozens of super-powered bounty hunters, hired by Justin Hammer! It looks like their holiday is going to have to wait...

Episode #4 - Descent
The beginning of Iron Man's slippery descent into alcoholism and bankruptcy is marked clearly here as he returns from his vacation to find the latest bounty hunters waiting for him...the Unstoppable Juggernaut and Black Tom! And as if this weren't enough, Force Works has been targeted by government agents!

Episode #5 - Fallen
Force Works strive to reach Iron Man and Spider-Woman, both helpless against the Juggernaut...but first, they must elude the SHIELD agents ersuing them! Meanwhile, Justin Hammer prepares to make his final move...

Episode #6 - Checkmate
Force Works and Iron Man grieve the loss of Spider-Woman, comatose after the brawl with Juggernaut. Tony Stark thinks life couldn't get any worse. That was before Justin Hammer pushed him into bankruptcy and his cloned father turned against him.

Episode #7 - Vengeance
With Tony an alcoholic and Julia comatose, Hawkeye takes command of Force Works and accepts the government's offer to become sanctioned officers of the law whilst the Metallic Gladiator drunkenly confronts his father, with devastating consequences...

Episode #8 - End of the Road
After the confrontation with his father, Tony reflects on his life and attempts to repair the damage done by Justin Hammer. As he remembers the lows and the highs of his tumultuous years, he prepares himself for the hardest decision he will ever have to make...

Episode #9 - Risen
Spider-Woman is dead and buried. Iron Man is not. After making the decision to allow his wife to die peacefully, Tony Stark is ready to retake his life, starting with his business. Meanwhile, Force Works recieve their first mission - to destroy a slavery ring.

Episode #10 - Showdown
The end of the saga is imminent as Force Works trace the slavery ring back to Justin Hammer, and Tony goes all out to defeat his nemesis...by seizing the power of the rings of the Mandarin!

Episode #11 - Silence, Part One
After rising from the ashes of his own life, Iron Man is ready to move on, and becomes the leader of Force Works once again. But the rings of the Mandarin have fallen into the wrong hands - those of Doom. With the Fantastic Four and the Avengers at their backs, Force Works prepares for its final mission...

Episode #12 - Silence, Part Two
As Doom prepares for an invasion of America, the real Mandarin returns...and he wants his power back! Fortunately for the world, there are three legions of heroes ready to fight them - Force Works, the Fantastic Four, and the Avengers! But can even their might match that of Doom's?

Episode #13 - Silence, Part Three
It's Force Works, Fantastic Four, and the Avengers versus Doom and the armies of Latveria! Before this tale ends, Force Works will have evolved, the rings of the Mandarin will be back under control, and Latveria will be ruled by a new man! But just how will this all unfold?

My goals wuld be, by the end of the series, to ensure:
*Mandarin would be back in control of the rings
*Force Works would be the West Coast Avengers
*Spider-Woman would be dead
*Tony would have beaten his alcoholism
*Justin Hammer would be dead, and
*Latveria would be under the control of the US...temporarily, of course!

There's my two cents, anyway.

[Stu]

I would work on his relationship with Forceworks again - perhaps have Tony struggle to be a leader to the group after his 'lone wolf' attitude he developed in season two and then have them leave once again - Iron Man works better on his own, and most of Forceworks are useless anyway.

I'd definatly bring his Father back too, as there's a hell of a lot of potential there, especially with his Father's death motivating him to finally think of others besides himself. Perhaps even revisit his origin in an episode.

It's a shame we saw so little of Iron Man after the show ended. If they had made a real effort with Avengers: United They Stand, we could've seen this version of Iron Man used there, and had a great show on our hands.

[Spider-Man]

Were The Avengers ever mentioned in the 1990s series or was it just Forceworks? An interesting subplot would have been Forceworks sort of becoming The Avengers. It would have been great to use Iron Man as a solid lead in to the eventual creation of a cartoon based on The Avengers that didn't stink.

[Stu]

The Avengers were never mentioned in Iron Man. If you choose to believe that Iron Man/Fantastic Four and Spider-Man take place in the same continuity, then The Avengers did exist in Iron Man, they were just never mentioned.

The Avengers (including Iron Man) cameoed in Fantastic Four, and there's the humourous rant about how's the only superhero to be found in the sewers. "You don't find The Fantastic Four in the sewers! Or The Avengers! Never have I heard of The Avengers in a sewer! Or The Defenders! Well... maybe The Hulk"

Also, in the Avengers cartoon, from what I remember, there's no evidence to say it's Iron Man's Iron Man that guest starred. The major giveaway is the lack of Robert Hayes' voice, probably because The Avengers cast was Canadian, because they're cheaper than American voice actors.

[Wonderwall]

"You don't find The Fantastic Four in the sewers! Or The Avengers! Never have I heard of The Avengers in a sewer! Or The Defenders! Well... maybe The Hulk"
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Still one of the greatest lines in all of animation:p . I was wondering, how did the animation in Iron Man compare to X Men, Spider Man and the DC cartoons at the time? Those are some good ideas there but I doubt theyd ever be allowed, which is a shame.

[S.C.B]

The animation never got to some of the AKOM related lows that X-Men sometimes reached, and was certainly better than some of the recycled animation stuff we got over in Spider-Man. The colours were absolutely awesome, too - the darker shades are very reminiscent of Justice League Unlimited.

The writers kind of dug themselves into a hole with the ending of the second season - without an interview it's impossible to know (hint hint:D), but I think they may have known they weren't being brought back and decided to wrap it up. I don't think the Mandarin would return, that's for certain - decapitation tends to stop even the most evil of villains...

Maybe have MODOK join up with AIM and become a bit more of a badass. I'd have liked to see Captain America make an appearance, since he and Tony often butted heads in the comics. Maybe some more on Force Works' past, too - I still don't know where Century comes from, or how he joined the team. Or how the team in general was formed. Maybe have an origin episode.

Come to think of it, there were plenty of things left unexplored. Especially if they were able to deal with Tony's alcoholism (maybe have it be depression or something), and how that affects the team.

[Toon Capone]

I would have liked to have seen a third season for Iron Man the show really improved in season 2 so it should have gotten a third season.

[Wolf Boy2]

I'd have liked to see Captain America make an appearance, since he and Tony often butted heads in the comics.
I don't think they ever interacted in Spider-Man's "Secret Wars", did they?


Come to think of it, there were plenty of things left unexplored. Especially if they were able to deal with Tony's alcoholism (maybe have it be depression or something), and how that affects the team.
I don't see anything wrong with alcoholism on TV, but I fear that it would be made into a one-shot "very special episode" with corniness worthy of the AD Council.

Although they could show him depressed, drinking from an unlabled bottle. The DC animated world had a lot of un-named bottles in their bar scenes.

Come to think of it, not only did the DCAU show champagne on numerous occasions, they even verbally referenced it ("Holiday Knights", "Metamorphasis"). Wine was shown in "The Savage Time", and in "World's Finest", a mob guy yells to a barmaid, "Hey sweetheart, another round!"

With all of these DC alcohol references, I doubt it would be a problem in the Marvel-verse.

[S.C.B]

I don't think they ever interacted in Spider-Man's "Secret Wars", did they?

Well, the Iron Man in Spider-Man isn't really the same guy that appeared in Season Two of Iron Man. The Iron Man who guest starred in 'Secret Wars' was more like the season one Iron Man. Basically, just a little bit boring. I don't think he added much besides explaining about his heart problems.

Now, if it had been the same kind of personality as he had in Season Two... chances are, he would have continually flown on ahead by himself, getting sick of working with all of the other heroes (and their subsequent egos). Which I would have found more interesting, personally.

[cheeno]

When I read the headline,I thought it was for real,anyways,I would love to see Iron man the animated series' new season.It ended way too early but the plots didn't seemed that well done to me.

[Stu]

The writers kind of dug themselves into a hole with the ending of the second season - without an interview it's impossible to know (hint hint:D), but I think they may have known they weren't being brought back and decided to wrap it up. I don't think the Mandarin would return, that's for certain - decapitation tends to stop even the most evil of villains...

Sorry, missed this earlier, but I concur. Everything was wrapped up so well that there was no massive cliffhangers left to be resolved. I really couldn't see them bringing back The Mandarin - no hand, no memory and no rings - he wasn't really The Mandarin anymore.

And yeah, I probably should start looking for more creators to talk about Iron Man with. :p

[Spider-Man]

The Avengers were never mentioned in Iron Man. If you choose to believe that Iron Man/Fantastic Four and Spider-Man take place in the same continuity, then The Avengers did exist in Iron Man, they were just never mentioned. Also, in the Avengers cartoon, from what I remember, there's no evidence to say it's Iron Man's Iron Man that guest starred. The major giveaway is the lack of Robert Hayes' voice, probably because The Avengers cast was Canadian, because they're cheaper than American voice actors.
I don't think anyone considers The Avengers: United They Stand series remotely related to the other 1990s series if we're trying to assemble a vague idea of continuity among those shows. I remember Iron Man even guest-starred on the 1990's The Incredible Hulk series and they still used the same voice actor right? I know that nothing was officially said that connected all these shows but little bits like that made the universe seem a bit larger than it was.

Funny how that can usually hold up for Marvel series but never for the DC Cartoons with their voice actors.

[Stu]

I don't think anyone considers The Avengers: United They Stand series remotely related to the other 1990s series if we're trying to assemble a vague idea of continuity among those shows. I remember Iron Man even guest-starred on the 1990's The Incredible Hulk series and they still used the same voice actor right? I know that nothing was officially said that connected all these shows but little bits like that made the universe seem a bit larger than it was.

Iron Man, War Machine and HOMER guest starred in The Incredible Hulk, yes. It's even revealed that Tony funded his research which later led to the creation of his gamma bomb, and they knew each other's identities because they revealed them to each other in the closing moments of Hulkbuster, the Iron Man episode which Hulk guest starred on. I consider Helping Hand, Iron Fist to be Hulk's finest episode.

You can see more on these episodes at the following MAA pages -

Hulkbuster (http://marvel.toonzone.net/ironman/episode/hulkbuster)
Helping Hand, Iron Fist (http://marvel.toonzone.net/hulk/episode/helpinghand)

Hope that helped! :)

[Spider-Man]

Iron Man, War Machine and HOMER guest starred in The Incredible Hulk, yes. It's even revealed that Tony funded his research which later led to the creation of his gamma bomb, and they knew each other's identities because they revealed them to each other in the closing moments of Hulkbuster, the Iron Man episode which Hulk guest starred on. I consider Helping Hand, Iron Fist to be Hulk's finest episode.
It did help. It would be neat if they could even use that connection to even bring The Hulk into the Avengers for even just a short time like in the original Avengers comics. Tony could try to find a way to harnass Hulk's power but eventually come up short. The possibilities with a third season of Iron Man would be quite endless. The one they probably couldn't do would be Iron Man's drinking problem from the excellent 1980's comics which is understandable. It could work for a DTV movie at some point but on Saturday morning it just wouldn't fly.