Fridays Changes Continue

[One Radical Dude]

Last Friday, I noticed that they now have "now/then" spots for the later showings of Fridays programming (I have to say that it looks kinda generic). I learned that the actual Fridays stuff is now only seen from 7 PM to 10 PM Eastern. They also show some interesting bumpers between commercial breaks -- that part, I actually think is pretty cool -- reminds me of Mario/Nintendo games, and it's something that kinda reminds me of the Saturdays block Cartoon Network had in 2003 (I believe). So, can we expect any other changes on Friday nights in the near future?

[Ykwia]

Why are they doing this?, Why don't they go to the normal 5 hours they usally do, Wonder if Adult Swim will start airing on fridays.

[One Radical Dude]

No idea. I was surprised to see them do this. This doesn't sound like a good sign for Tommy Snider and Tara Sands (a two hour difference in the program is a lot). As for [as], I doubt it. I think that maybe in the summer or fall, programming changes will take place. Hopefully, we'll know much sooner than later.

[Ykwia]

Actually it's 3 hours, It's 7:00 P.M. to 10:00 P.M. (PST), and I think that Live-Action Fridays might be getting the Axe soon.

[One Radical Dude]

I'm saying that the Fridays live-action programs have decreased by two hours. Two hours, three hours -- they're both significant. And yes, I do have a feeling that Fridays may be discontinued in the near future. Not that I enjoy the segments or anything, I do wish Tommy and Tara the best (if they are to be terminated in the near future). As for the changes, I hope it's a good one, but I haven't seen it, yet.

[Draft]

ya, tomym and tara need to go now

im extremely dissapointed in how they changed fridays, through i dont watch it anymore, i thought that was just for the 2 weeks for spring break, and i just hate it, especially the logo, nothing like the old days, but is that truthly a suprise?

i think cn should expand fridays to 6, and i guess re-extend to 11 to make it 6-11, and no enc of new eps

[jarjar23]

Actually it's 3 hours, It's 7:00 P.M. to 10:00 P.M. (PST), and I think that Live-Action Fridays might be getting the Axe soon.

OMG...they're freakin battling Nick...AGAIN! CN, please...stop doing this. I know it may be profitable to you and all, but it's making you look like a silly - copycat channel.

BTW, if anybody didn't know "Nick Friday Night" airs Fridays from 7-10pm also...:rolleyes:

[Ykwia]

Actually, Their there own company with their own minds and their own soul, The network has made their decision based on Tommy's and Tara's workload, and if they were to be nick, Why not air live-action game shows, an all that clone, or kids movies, If you see Cartoon Network doing that, Give me a ring, If they want to be Nickeloden, Why are they airing movies like Dumb & Dumber, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, The Goonies, and Ultimate Avengers, More or less, Why did cartoon network air Ultimate Avengers and Dumb & Dumber nearly uncut?, Answer that?

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I noticed the later hours were no longer Friday bumps. Perhaps its the first steps towards action taking overnights again? Nah that's hoping for too much. It could also mean Adult Swim will snag Friday overnights, yes it really could mean that. But I doubt it.

None the less it's an interesting move and having less live-action segments makes me happy. Though now that so much of the time isn't in a block it just kinda seems odd... I want Toonami the Midnight Run DANG IT!

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Actually, Their there own company with their own minds and their own soul, The network has made their decision based on Tommy's and Tara's workload, and if they were to be nick, Why not air live-action game shows, an all that clone, or kids movies, If you see Cartoon Network doing that, Give me a ring, If they want to be Nickeloden, Why are they airing movies like Dumb & Dumber, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, The Goonies, and Ultimate Avengers, More or less, Why did cartoon network air Ultimate Avengers and Dumb & Dumber nearly uncut?, Answer that?

Don't tell me you still think CN is going for teenagers... Are you .hack//SIGN John on ASMB? Because you sound a lot like him.

Dumb and Dumber was edited to crap for one thing...

As for the rest of the LA movies. They're just movies they could get from TBS. The LA element brings in kids (or so they hope) and the heavier content is intended to get kids interested because it's something their sibblings might watch and because heavier content is always cool when you're a kid (right?). Naruto isn't aimed at teenagers despite it's great 12-17 ratings, it's aimed at tweens and yes indeed 6-11. That's why CN promotes those ratings. CN is banking on 6-11 wanting to watch TV-PG programing. Sad as that is.

Now in the case of Marvel's PG-13 movies and even Miyazaki... that's probably CN just wanting to air some quality animated movies reguardless of the content and it's also probably in efforts to promote Marvel's work and hype up Fantastic Four and future productions later on. That and Toonami aims at 9-14 specifically so it makes sense to air TV-PG content on it.

[jarjar23]

Actually, Their there own company with their own minds and their own soul, The network has made their decision based on Tommy's and Tara's workload, and if they were to be nick, Why not air live-action game shows, an all that clone, or kids movies, If you see Cartoon Network doing that, Give me a ring, If they want to be Nickeloden, Why are they airing movies like Dumb & Dumber, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, The Goonies, and Ultimate Avengers, More or less, Why did cartoon network air Ultimate Avengers and Dumb & Dumber nearly uncut?, Answer that?

I was talking about the TIMESLOT. 7-10pm on Nick...7-10pm on CN. I'm not talking about a carbon-copy either. If they were to copy off Nick THAT BAD, they'd probubly get sued. Offcourse they aren't going to mimick everythign Nick does, but they will take Nick's idea's and turn it into thier own brand ex. the new on-air look and creating one hour "quick, lets hype this up and make some money" specials.

And the only reason why they are airing all of the live-action movies like D&D and RR is becuase the movies that they've were airing years ago (Iron Giant, PPG Movie) weren't cutting it in ratings - so they go into the TBS vault and grab a few movies that TBS doesn't want to play - then, they call it there own. And they are airing "Ultimant Avengers" in a timeslot geared towered teens, not kids.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Tweens actually but some teens are expected as well. None the less they ARE aiming TV-PG-V programing at 6 year olds. That's the whole point it seems. They still don't want teenagers drowning their kids ratings (as they do quite easily).

[Ykwia]

I was talking about the TIMESLOT. 7-10pm on Nick...7-10pm on CN. I'm not talking about a carbon-copy either. If they were to copy off Nick THAT BAD, they'd probubly get sued. Offcourse they aren't going to mimick everythign Nick does, but they will take Nick's idea's and turn it into thier own brand ex. the new on-air look and creating one hour "quick, lets hype this up and make some money" specials.

And the only reason why they are airing all of the live-action movies like D&D and RR is becuase the movies that they've were airing years ago (Iron Giant, PPG Movie) weren't cutting it in ratings - so they go into the TBS vault and grab a few movies that TBS doesn't want to play - then, they call it there own. And they are airing "Ultimant Avengers" in a timeslot geared towered teens, not kids.

They can't steal Nick's ideas cause it would ruin the originality of the network, and the reason why Nick's Friday Nights go up to 10:00 PM is because Nick knows that kids on fridays have extended bedtimes, and Nick at Nite usally starts at 9:00 PM Monday-Thursday, and 10:00 PM at Friday cause the usual 6-11 age group goes to bed at 9:00 PM and kids on the weekends have extended bedtimes, Therefore the reason why Nick's Friday Nights go to 10:00 PM.

Oh and all the TV Stations in the future are only determined in getting really high ratings, and if they air these movies nearly uncut, With all the swearing and some scenes, Then I'll watch.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

You think CN is worried about ruining their originality at this point? Because most would agree they did that some time ago.

Now as to Friday changing a bit on CN I am willing to consider CN is going to give late nights back to action programing on Friday though with Megas and Jack airing on Toonami Jetstream starting in July I'm not so sure any "failures" will be taking up that space... maybe JLU reruns (which would be nice as it never will get a full rerun on weekdays). It'd be super great for that to be Toonami's Midnight Run. Starting with a Naruto encore, then an IGPX encore and then any number of shows that suit the Toonami image or more encores like Bo-Bobo (as it gets no other slot). Unfortunately Gundam is out... and so is YYH and .hack so if they did use that time for action shows I'm not really sure what they'd choose.

But this is what I'd like to see.

12:00 - Naruto
12:30 - IGPX
01:00 - Bobobo-Bo Bo-Bobo
01:30 - Justice League Unlimited
02:00 - Samurai Jack
02:30 - Megas XLR
03:00 - SWAT Cats or a vintage action show
03:30 - Dragonball or Batman Beyond (yet to hit Boomerang, despite JL already doing so)

But if it was even possible having Gundam SEED Destiny premiere after Naruto and/or IGPX encores would be freak'n great. But it seems CN already turned it down.

Or perhaps they'll give that time to some poorly treated CN original comedies before they get shipped to Boomerang. At any rate it seems like something might change and I hope it's for the better.

[Ykwia]

Um, Sketch, This isn't the Toonami forum, This is the Cartoon Network forum, If you want to post your schedule for your Toonami Midnight Run, "Which will never happen." Post it in the Toonami forum.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Sans the Adult Swim forum, I can post a schedule anywhere here as long as its relavent to the dicussion at hand.

[One Radical Dude]

Um, Sketch, This isn't the Toonami forum, This is the Cartoon Network forum, If you want to post your schedule for your Toonami Midnight Run, "Which will never happen." Post it in the Toonami forum.

Yes, however, what if Toonami DID return to Fridays? This is basically what this discussion is about, right (the changes on Fridays)?

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Yes, however, what if Toonami DID return to Fridays? This is basically what this discussion is about, right (the changes on Fridays)?

Bingo

And my thoughts are 3 plausible scenarios...

The least likely being Adult Swim getting some time on Friday

The more likely being CN retools post CNF to be more than CNF show reruns and air action (possibly TMR) or comedy programing or perhaps a mix of both until Saturday morning begins.

I'm not holding my breathe on Duck Dodgers because it's on Boomerang now but I'd love to see that back at 11:30 and then action shows after Naruto for 2 hours followed by some comedies CN wont give the time of day to. You know... similar to last summer.

[One Radical Dude]

Well, I hope what we're seeing right now isn't going to last a while, because everything feels "dead" to me. Know what I'm saying?

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I know exactly what you're saying... I mean after CNF there's just Naruto and unblocked Friday's shows until morning. Not very interesting that's for sure. I really want action or forgotten comedies post Midnight because my Dish Network is 3 hours ahead so Naruto at Midnight run at 9PM so I could watch a bunch of shows 9PM till 1AM and get plenty of sleep for work the next day. But right now there's nothing interesting on. Ah well... I'm not expecting CN to give me everything I want because I know they never will... but Naruto is lonely. He needs at least one other action show to fill an hour or something. IGPX encores would be nice or if they want keep things silly funny Bo-Bobo would be perfect.

[Ykwia]

I'm sure, Once Adult Swim extends it's weekend lineup starting at 10:00 PM, Then maybe, Just maybe, Adult Swim can convince Cartoon Network to air on fridays.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

It is more possible than before, that's for sure as removing the packaging seems to be CN's way of saying they aren't as interested in getting kids 6-11 in the later hours of Friday nights at this point. But that could change at the drop of a hat (like it always does).

I'm not counting on AS taking Friday though. There's not much if anything to gain by getting Friday night for 18-34 viewers because most of them are out doing stuff then (similar problem to Saturday but less so, and kids go to sleep earlier on Saturday night as well - at least a lot do).

Honestly I think it's ludicrous for CN to aim 11PM-6AM at kids on Friday night. There's much more ratings potential with 9-17 in that time frame. Tweens and teens that can't drive yet and have curfews (I'm sure I spelled that wrong) for how late they can be out on Friday night. That's probably the most likely night to be able to get tweens and teens watching. CN really should consider that and go hardcore for tweens and teens on Friday after CNF. There's is a lot of ad revenue to be made if they get the right shows and ads on at that time.

[Kevin]

What were things like after 10 PM then? Was it just like Cartoon Network during the regular (non Fridays) segments? I'm guessing Fridays isn't doing too well nowadays? What I think CN needs to do is go back to the Cartoon Cartoon Fridays segments when they had the Cartoon Cartoons host the show. It was very original and well done.

[Flanders]

I know this isn't going to happen, but maybe they could air random old Cartoon Cartoons at that time late night on Fridays, and have the old characters host it? Basically, reruns of old-school CCF. Realistically, the odds are 1 to 1 that it's going to Adult Swim.:(

[Ykwia]

You'd had to have a brain to know that you must have the original bumps and the original actors to recreate the old school CCF bumps, In fact, Cartoon Cartoon's is longer their brand of cartoons, As they dumped all classic cartoons, Execpt for Tom & Jerry, onto Boomerang, and most of their old shows from the 90's are being put on Boomerang becuase Cartoon Network is getting rid of them, The word Boomerang means "A device shaped in an arch that if you throw it then it will come back to you". It means the channel is aimed at the past. If you want to bring the old Cartoon Network back, Start up Independent Cartoon Network, I'm sure many people will watch.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Well they could use the old bumps but they wouldn't. They prefer things to be new and shiney.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

The Friday's official website also mentions it's only running 7PM-10PM. Interesting... That's 2 hours shorter than before for sure but on the actual schedule they seem to repeat episodes multiple times.

[Jeff Harris]

I'll answer your question, but I'll admit, I'm a bit biased. I haven't been kind to Cartoon Network in recent years, but to be fair and balanced, I haven't been kind to any major entertainment conglomorate. I call them like I see them, so, I'll break it down as much as I know and from the control room as I see them:


Actually, they're their own company with their own minds and their own soul.Yes, they are their own entity with their own minds and soul. However, the minds and soul of Cartoon Network has been corrupted over the past five years. Half of that time, they were basically held back in favor of the broadcast network, in this case, Kids' WB. In more modern times, the minds and soul has been corrupted by the fact that the current bosses want to Cartoon Network to be more like Nickelodeon and Disney Channel.

And they're now opening up about that in public while, in the process, ignoring and neglecting the core viewers they already have. You know, the ones that have stood by the network, the ones that convinced cable operators to bring the channel to their markets, the fans of classic animation, and older viewers. If you're older than 14, Cartoon Network no longer acknowledges your existance . . . unless you're watching Adult Swim. The older minds and souls of Cartoon Network, who I might add are no longer there for the large part (most of the ones who give a damn about cartoons are now confined to Adult Swim), wouldn't have stood up to that kind of thinking and mentality.


The network has made their decision based on Tommy's and Tara's workloadTommy and Tara work on a pre-taped series for about an hour or two, maybe five hours at most. What workload? They're not on a live series like those KJs at Nickelodeon are. They're not working long weeks on camera. They're only on once a week. If they were on more than once a week, I could see them cutting down their workload, but the network is realizing that, maybe the whole Cartoon Network Fridays concept may not be working as well as they'd like it to have. That is, they're still not beating Nickelodeon.


And if they were to be nick, Why not air live-action game shows, an all that clone, or kids movies, If you see Cartoon Network doing that, Give me a ring*RING* Hello, SU182. I bring news from across the pond that Cartoon Network is planning a live-action/animated game show in the UK with plans to adapt it for the US market if it is successful there. Back home, Cartoon Network are planning a slate of live-action/animated and all-live-action movies for the network beginning later this summer. No word on whether they're planning a live-action sketch comedy series, but that doesn't mean that they don't want to make one.


If they want to be Nickelodeon, why are they airing movies like Dumb & Dumber, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, The Goonies, and Ultimate AvengersThey aired Who Framed Roger Rabbit because it was a movie with animated characters, including ones who appeared on Cartoon Network. They aired Ultimate Avengers because Toonami is supposed to be the home of the best action-animation on the planet.

They aired The Goonies and Dumb and Dumber because they want to be like Nickelodeon. Sure, they hide behind the whole "cartoony live-action" mantra that gave them a free pass in the media, but the whole purpose of them airing live-action movies is because they want to attract those who watch live-action movies and series on Disney Channel and Nickelodeon.


More or less, Why did cartoon network air Ultimate Avengers and Dumb & Dumber nearly uncut?, Answer that!Well, Ultimate Avengers is an animated movie aimed towards the older demographics of Cartoon Network, the 9-14 year old, which is why they aired it relatively uncut on Toonami, the block designated for that demographic. As for a "nearly uncut" Dumb and Dumber? I didn't watch it myself when it aired on CNF (I saw bits of it when it reaired), but from what I heard, it was a heavily edited, TV-Y7 version of a PG-13 movie. No, the only nearly uncut movie Cartoon Network aired was Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls, which was the first and only TV-14 live-action movie to air in the daytime and the third the network has aired altogether (a heavily-edited Batman and an uncut Princess Mononoke, both on Toonami, were the others).


They can't steal Nick's ideas cause it would ruin the originality of the network, and the reason why Nick's Friday Nights go up to 10:00 PM is because Nick knows that kids on fridays have extended bedtimes, and Nick at Nite usally starts at 9:00 PM Monday-Thursday, and 10:00 PM at Friday cause the usual 6-11 age group goes to bed at 9:00 PM and kids on the weekends have extended bedtimes, Therefore the reason why Nick's Friday Nights go to 10:00 PM.And now that's why Cartoon Network Friday ends at 10 PM, thus stealing a Nickelodeon idea. You just lost your own argument.

I'm just saying . . .

[jarjar23]

Thanks for that responce. You saved me from explaining it more to him.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Jeff knows exactly how to say what the rest of us want to.

[William C. Maune]

I just want to address a couple things here.


Tommy and Tara work on a pre-taped series for about an hour or two, maybe five hours at most. What workload?

While it definitely isn't as much of a workload as a live show, I don't think we have enough info to say they only work five hours a week at most. Those pre-taped segments take longer than their actual running time to films and there has to be time for rehersal as well. Plus, either of them may be involved in production or other aspects.


And now that's why Cartoon Network Friday ends at 10 PM, thus stealing a Nickelodeon idea. You just lost your own argument.

I've seen a couple people bring this up. Cartoon network does steal ideas from Nick, and Disney. Nick steals ideas from Cartoon Network and Disney. Disney steals ideas from Nick and Cartoon Network. However, not everything similar is a stolen idea. There are plenty of reasons Fridays may be ending at 10 besides the fact that that is what Nick does. Perhaps 10 PM is generally when the ratings from Fridays start to slide, etc. If CN has reasons for changing the end to 10PM they aren't going to make it 9:30, 10:30 or 11 just because then it wouldn't be the same as Nick. Doing things for the sole reason of being different from another network and nothing more is just as silly as stealing an idea just to be stealing an idea. The fact is, it's just a changed time and there is no indication that the reason was because "that is what Nick does." It's not like they have anything to gain in this change from the reason of doing something like Nick. Thus, it is more than likely other reasons.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

If the ratings were sliding in that time why not keep it Friday's and put more Friday's content there? No it seems much more like they are stepping away from getting only kids ratings for Friday overnights... What that leads to is anyone's guess.

[Jeff Harris]

While it definitely isn't as much of a workload as a live show, I don't think we have enough info to say they only work five hours a week at most. Those pre-taped segments take longer than their actual running time to films and there has to be time for rehersal as well. Plus, either of them may be involved in production or other aspects.Of course it's longer than five hours. I was just kidding about that part. When it comes to any weekly series, they have about a whole week to develop jokes, scripts, locale shoots, promotions, and other things like that. I only meant the "five hours" in jest because, until recently, CNF was a five-hour block.


I've seen a couple people bring this up. Cartoon network does steal ideas from Nick, and Disney. Nick steals ideas from Cartoon Network and Disney. Disney steals ideas from Nick and Cartoon Network.I know this too. Like I said on the site, the last original idea ever was made in 1967. Everything since has been a derivative, enhancement, or a ripoff of another idea, good or bad.


The fact is, it's just a changed time and there is no indication that the reason was because "that is what Nick does." It's not like they have anything to gain in this change from the reason of doing something like Nick. Thus, it is more than likely other reasons.But one can easily make the argument that the reason why they decided to end CNF at 10 rather than midnight as it once did is because "that is what Nick does." They're not putting any other programming after CNF in its place. They're just rerunning the same premieres for another two hours. They could have easily placed more segments in the block and continued CNF until midnight. I'd like to know what other reason there could be myself because I'd like to think that Cartoon Network is a better-ran organization that they appear to be and there's a method to their madness.

Not that I'm saying that they're going to bring Toonami programming to the post-CNF lineup, but perhaps that's one reason why they're shortening CNF's "in-studio" segments. Then again, who knows, really?

[CookieS]

While nothing official has been announced I think its good to understand what Friday's original intention was. WAYYYYY back in 2003, the producers of Fridays told me their intention was to have a hip night show ala Conan O'Brien. When Cartoon Network's corporate entities got involved, it was agreed that the idea be retooled for the children's demographic. Its obvious that the goal that had is changing. Its evident in the new set designs and packaging. Will Fridays just disappear? I don't know. The premieres on Friday nights do very well in ratings.

I think the arguement that Adult Swim will follow a shortened version of Fridays is unlikely. Unless Fridays really tries to hit the teen demo, it will be too far of a jump from TV-G to something more extreme. Let's just chill and see what happens. You know Toon Zone will be the first site to report on any major changes anyway.

[William C. Maune]

But one can easily make the argument that the reason why they decided to end CNF at 10 rather than midnight as it once did is because "that is what Nick does." They're not putting any other programming after CNF in its place. They're just rerunning the same premieres for another two hours. They could have easily placed more segments in the block and continued CNF until midnight. I'd like to know what other reason there could be myself because I'd like to think that Cartoon Network is a better-ran organization that they appear to be and there's a method to their madness.

However, even from a network perspective, there is no reason to make this move just because "that is what Nick does." When networks copy each other it's because they see a successful idea (whether it be something that brings ratings, popularity, merchandise sales, etc.) and thus they copy it hoping to see the same benefit. For instance, the ultimate reason for the experiments with live-action is that Cartoon Network has seen the success elsewhere.

Moving the end of Fridays to 10pm just because "that's what Nick does" doesn't have any of those elements. Nick's block isn't successful because it ends at 10pm, etc. Basically, there is no reason for them to make this move just because it is what Nick does. There is no benefit or perceived benefit. Other potential reasons make more sense such as a drop off in ratings, Sketch's guess that perhaps there are plans for other programming, etc.

[Ykwia]

Disney Channel

You just said the forbidden words, That channel is not to be dicussed here, It is pure evil and it is pathetic.

[jarjar23]

Actually, I think DC has pretty much the best on-air design and identity over the maojor kids networks...even regular networks. They chose a "look" and stuck with it, and it looks very good, imo. Although, I'm only talking about the on-air design. The shows....eh....

As for Fridays, what's with them bringing these artists into the studio? Rihanna? Chris Brown?

[One Radical Dude]

Actually, I think DC has pretty much the best on-air design and identity over the maojor kids networks...even regular networks. They chose a "look" and stuck with it, and it looks very good, imo. Although, I'm only talking about the on-air design. The shows....eh....

As for Fridays, what's with them bringing these artists into the studio? Rihanna? Chris Brown?

Tony Hawk was on a recent Fridays, also. This week, it's R&B artist Ne-Yo. Fridays has had some musical guests in the past (Puffy AmiYumi, Amy Lee [from Evanescence], and a few others), though not as much then as now.

[Draft]

i think CNF should expand to 6pm ,so there isnt a break in between liek someone stated, and expand to 10pm, but only air an encore ep and something like sunday pants or cartoon cartoons as filler, and then 11-5 of fridays belongs rto as, put so older crap, like obolongs, mission hill, space ghost c2c, and brak so they get some airtime, and keep it from encoring on weekdays(imean really ,obolongs will ncore every 3 weeks if they air it in order)

heres what i propose

6-11 fridays
11-5 [as]

[jarjar23]

It also would be better if they started at 6, on account of Miguzi ending at 6...itstead of having that "rest hour", they can jump right into the next block. They did it on Nickelodeon years ago, having STL from 3-5pm, them UPL from 5-7pm. Kept the kiddies watchin.

[One Radical Dude]

Bumping Fridays an hour ahead is a step in the right direction, however, the midnight-5 AM lineup needs a lot of work more. It's pretty much a dead block with more of the same. I wouldn't mind seeing CN air animated movies during the 12 AM-5 AM slot.

[Ykwia]

Actually, I think DC has pretty much the best on-air design and identity over the maojor kids networks...even regular networks. They chose a "look" and stuck with it, and it looks very good, imo. Although, I'm only talking about the on-air design. The shows....eh....

As for Fridays, what's with them bringing these artists into the studio? Rihanna? Chris Brown?

No, It doesn't, The look and feel of the Disney Channel is pathetic, indescrible and really, really stupid, The look centers on the Disney Channel Logo with stuff in the background, and there's not much more to it, The shows, PATHETIC!!!, The writing for these shows are so cheap, They had to pay the writers of each show $1 dollar per day so they can air the show, The Animation, It doesn't deserve to be called animation, Let's call them Eyesores, It's so bad, That if you watch these eyesores it'll make you blind, Garrenteed. Here where you'd see better eyesores.


Cartoon Network.
A piece of paper.
Cave Pantings.
Games.
G4.The quality is zero, That's becuase there is no quality
in any show whatsoever, All shows are poorly made, written and animated, oh and did we mention the live action ones, They suck too, The writing is poor and the acting is pathetic, And to all the disney channel watchers, Here's where you can find your share of quality programming, G4. If you don't want to be harmed by this, Call Your Cable or Satellite Provider and demand that they take off Disney Channel from your Cable Lineup.

[Tay the Cat]

No, It doesn't, The look and feel of the Disney Channel is pathetic, indescrible and really, really stupid, The look centers on the Disney Channel Logo with stuff in the background, and there's not much more to it, The shows, PATHETIC!!!, The writing for these shows are so cheap, They had to pay the writers of each show $1 dollar per day so they can air the show, The Animation, It doesn't deserve to be called animation, Let's call them Eyesores, It's so bad, That if you watch these eyesores it'll make you blind, Garrenteed. Here where you'd see better eyesores.


Cartoon Network.
A piece of paper.
Cave Pantings.
Games.
G4.The quality is zero, That's becuase there is no quality
in any show whatsoever, All shows are poorly made, written and animated, oh and did we mention the live action ones, They suck too, The writing is poor and the acting is pathetic, And to all the disney channel watchers, Here's where you can find your share of quality programming, G4. If you don't want to be harmed by this, Call Your Cable or Satellite Provider and demand that they take off Disney Channel from your Cable Lineup.
Thanks for just giving me the biggest laugh I've gotten in a long time.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Bumping Fridays an hour ahead is a step in the right direction, however, the midnight-5 AM lineup needs a lot of work more. It's pretty much a dead block with more of the same. I wouldn't mind seeing CN air animated movies during the 12 AM-5 AM slot.

IMO Naruto followed by a Miyazaki movie would be rock'n 12AM-whenever then they could air reruns of whatever.

[90'sCartoonMan]

I know this too. Like I said on the site, the last original idea ever was made in 1967. Everything since has been a derivative, enhancement, or a ripoff of another idea, good or bad.

1967?! Why that year?

Am I the only one who really doesn't want to see the live action host segments go? The thought of not seeing Tara every week fills me with sadness. :crying:

[herbkir]

There's got to be a business reason why CN shuns the tween/teen market. It may be a lack of TV advertisers with teen-orented products. The problem with teens in general is they are too old for toys and too young for adult goods. So what's left?

Apparel is big with teens, but most apparel brands' TV campagns target families with younger kids or adults who want to dress like they were kids again. The clothing makers rely heavily on print media for their teen-targeted campaigns. Same with health & beauty aids aimed at teens. They do some TV, but go really heavy on print. And those that do TV ads are more likely drawn to channels like Noggin's The N and its slate of issue-heavy teen soaps with direct teen appeal.

Another difficulty is that most teen-product TV spots seem more directed at teen girls than teen boys, while action cartoons skew toward the boys rather than the girls. I also think CN sees teen-product ads already, aimed at the older end of the kids' demo who are coming into junior high. So how much more TV advertising is there for CN to get for blocks specifically targeting teens? (^_*)

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Boy target teen ads? Movies & DVD releases, video games, sports events and rock concerts (others types of music as well), CD releases and cars. If they could find some workable apparel and toletry ads those would work too.

There's plenty of stuff to advertise to boys 12-17.

It simply baffles me that I usually only see ads for the video games based on shows airing on Toonami during Adult Swim and Adult Swim ad time is heavily used by GameTap promotion.

[William C. Maune]

Boy target teen ads? Movies & DVD releases, video games, sports events and rock concerts (others types of music as well), CD releases and cars. If they could find some workable apparel and toletry ads those would work too.

There's plenty of stuff to advertise to boys 12-17.

It simply baffles me that I usually only see ads for the video games based on shows airing on Toonami during Adult Swim and Adult Swim ad time is heavily used by GameTap promotion.

The big problem with sports events and rock concerts is that they are harder to advertise on a national level since they are more local events. Cars are problematic also. Adult Swim badly wanted, but had problems getting, car ads for quite awhile, even though they do target adults. Most of the 12-17 demo still can't drive and many of those that do don't buy brand new cars. Movies, DVDs, CDs, and video games are definitely options, but with the younger demographics you can sell those types of things and a wide range of other things.

There is a market for the 12-17 demo, it's just one of the smallest demos (lower percentage of people in that demo watching television vs. doing other things) with less types of things that can be sold to that demo.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Yet CN gets a lot of 12-17 viewership so it still stands that it would be advisable to put in at least a small amount of programing for those viewers with appliable ads. An hour in prime time or even just some of Friday night.

I refuse to believe they wouldn't benefit from giving that a shot because the evidence is already there and has been for years.

And really where are the video game ads? I hardly see any on CN. Not even for "kids games". Adult Swim has a ton of video game ads for youth properties... it makes no freak'n sense.

[Jeff Harris]

1967?! Why that year?The Prisoner and Do Not Adjust Your Set. The last two truly original productions ever made were produced in 1967. Everything came out after that year was either a derivative, a ripoff, or a spinoff of every other storytype ever made.

Don't believe me? Look at the top shows on television right now:

"American Idol" - American-based spinoff of "Pop Idol," which was a ripoff of an even earlier show, "MTV's The Cut," which is nothing more than an "amateur hour" type of program that's been on radio and television for decades.

"Lost" - "The Prisoner" with more "prisoners."

"CSI" - Self-described as inspired by "The Forensic Files." Themetically a cross between "Mission: Impossible" (which was an espionage series), "Quincy, M.E." (which was an Americanized version of a Canadian series created in 1966), and "The X Files" (which has roots from series such as "Kolchak: The Night Stalker," which was inspired by an unpublished novel, The Kolchak Papers)

[Space Cadet]

Adult Swim has a ton of video game ads for youth properties... it makes no freak'n sense.

I think it's because AS is still off-limits to airing alcohol, rated-M games, and rated-R movies. Imagine the revenue that AS could get if they were allowed to air those type of ads.

[James Bester]

I think it's because AS is still off-limits to airing alcohol, rated-M games, and rated-R movies. Imagine the revenue that AS could get if they were allowed to air those type of ads.
They're allowed to air TV-MA shows, but they can't air an alcohol ad? I guess I'll never understand advertising.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I can understand alcohol ads being nixed but R rated movies? If they can show TV-MA programing as early at 10PM why not ads for R rated movies? There's at ton which are probably tamer than a lot of Adult Swim's shows.

[Discloner]

"Lost" - "The Prisoner" with more "prisoners."

Oh. Them's fightin' words Jeff. :p

[Ykwia]

Originality is just a word that doesn't mean anything.

What makes a show good is comedy and quality.