N.Y. 'science' schools fail science

[Rover_Wow]

N.Y. 'science' schools fail science

UPI News Service, 05/04/2006

Only 45 percent of New York middle school students with "science" in their school name passed a science exam, new data shows.

The statewide average is 69 percent.

There are 11 middle schools with "science" in their name. In six of them, the majority of eighth-graders did not pass their exam, the New data in The New York Daily News reports.

At Academy of Environmental Science in East Harlem, just 15 percent met the state standards while only 13 percent of eighth-graders passed last year's exam at the Math, Science and Technology Through the Arts Intermediate School in West Farms in the Bronx.

However, the Salk School of Science in Gramercy Park in Manhattan bucked the trend with all of its students passing.

State education officials posted data for the whole state at www.emsc.nysed.gov/repcrd2005/.

Then again, aren't New York City schools the butt of many jokes already? Like this David Letterman list (http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/top_ten/archive/ls_topten_archive1999/ls_topten_archive_19990625.shtml) for instance.

[solarflere]

Then again, aren't New York City schools the butt of many jokes already? Like this David Letterman list (http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/top_ten/archive/ls_topten_archive1999/ls_topten_archive_19990625.shtml) for instance.Actualy, NYC schools are one of the toughest in the states. The High School Regents levels can not be compared to other same grade level tests in New Jercey lets say. People aren't doing so good because the standards are high and are RISING every couple of years. No joke. Math and Science passing levels rose a lot in the last 5 years. That means that students have to know a lot more on the bubject to get a decent grade than before.

[Temple Fugate]

New York Regents are pretty tough. Sometimes the prototype final exams have to be reworked because of a high number of failures, and even then there is the rare case of actual given tests that have to be re-scored because a majority of students across the state scored poorly.

My question is, forget about comparing with the rest of the country, what is it about NYC schools that make them harder to pass than schools in the rest of the state? ARE NYC schools harder at all? Is this a state-wide problem and The City is just taking the biggest hit? I looked over a bit of the data on the site you posted, Rover, but had trouble comparing data from The City to the rest of the state's schools because all of the results were separated into sections by individual school. Are there any sites that conveniently sort the districts into graphs or something of the sort?

[Scorpio_G]

New York Regents are pretty tough. Sometimes the prototype final exams have to be reworked because of a high number of failures, and even then there is the rare case of actual given tests that have to be re-scored because a majority of students across the state scored poorly.

My question is, forget about comparing with the rest of the country, what is it about NYC schools that make them harder to pass than schools in the rest of the state? ARE NYC schools harder at all? Is this a state-wide problem and The City is just taking the biggest hit? I looked over a bit of the data on the site you posted, Rover, but had trouble comparing data from The City to the rest of the state's schools because all of the results were separated into sections by individual school. Are there any sites that conveniently sort the districts into graphs or something of the sort?

My mom graduated from A. Lincon HS in Bklyn back in...ehh...'81 I think and she told me that back then you had a option to either take the Regents or not. The only difference between a Regents diploma and a 'local' diploma is that the Regents diploma has a mark that says you passed the test and it's hightly regarded. Basicly, the Regents Exam back then is comparable to the AP test of today.

Guess which one my Mom recieved? :sweat: Her excuse, " She wanted to party an' hang out not study."

Now in NYC it's mandatory you take the Regents exams. I dont know if you can graduate without passing a single test or not. Probably not.

I almost took the Regents thou...But my Mom made us move to New Jersey, home of the HSPA (pronounced Hesspaah). A whole different, annoying monster. :shrug: You needed to score above 200 in order to pass. I passed English by 45 and Math by 5 points. You dont know how happy I was when I passed math by that many points. :D Math is my worst subject btw. I KNOW I would fail Regents math.

But back to your question. New York City and State schools are totaly different. For one NY State schools dont have to deal with student population that much since there's a lot less children NY state than the city. Second, space is not a issue with NY state as well as money since it's slightly cheeper to live in NYS than NYC. You also dont have the hassle of dealing with immigrant children, disavantages urban kids, minorities who live in the city, parents, and a bunch of home/outside problems that affect childrens lives. This also bring down the scores in the Regents exam.

[solarflere]

My mom graduated from A. Lincon HS in Bklyn back in...ehh...'81 I think and she told me that back then you had a option to either take the Regents or not. The only difference between a Regents diploma and a 'local' diploma is that the Regents diploma has a mark that says you passed the test and it's hightly regarded. Basicly, the Regents Exam back then is comparable to the AP test of today.

By any chance do you mean Abraham Lincoln High School on Ocean Parkway in Brooklyn? 'Cause thats the one I graduated from. :cool:

[Scorpio_G]

By any chance do you mean Abraham Lincoln High School on Ocean Parkway in Brooklyn? 'Cause thats the one I graduated from. :cool:

Yep! :D Abraham Lincon High School on Ocean Parkway. She's an 81' alumini. And I would have been an alumi too. I was going to Lincon for the vetrinarian program they had. But my Mom didnt want my brother, especially me, to high school in NY because she thought it wasnt a good enviorment for me and we would have gotten more opprotunities/scholarships if we moved to Jersey. So we moved (my seventh move in my life BTW) . (And I was just making friends there in BKLYN too.:shrug:)

But enough about me what year did you graduated? :D Technicly, if I was there I would have graduated in '03.

[solarflere]

Yep! :D Abraham Lincon High School on Ocean Parkway. She's an 81' alumini. And I would have been an alumi too. I was going to Lincon for the vetrinarian program they had. But my Mom didnt want my brother, especially me, to high school in NY because she thought it wasnt a good enviorment for me and we would have gotten more opprotunities/scholarships if we moved to Jersey. So we moved (my seventh move in my life BTW) . (And I was just making friends there in BKLYN too.:shrug:)

But enough about me what year did you graduated? :D Technicly, if I was there I would have graduated in '03.I gradualte in 04. Half a year later than anticipated. :sweat:

[Emmanuel Cruz]

You need to pass the HSPA to graduate from my HS. I live in NJ, and I took the HSPA last year. (This test is for HS juniors.) I passed the math part by 43 points and the read by 55. :)

-Emmanuel:bosko:

[tigerrunner]

I know NYC doesn't do as well as Long Island (where I live), but I'm not to sure about Upstate. But yeah, NYC schools are more crowded, and funding is an issue (not to say there's no money problems on Long Island and with LI schools).

[Kaoru]

I would have expected news like that from Kansas, to to happen in NY that's a freaking disgrace.