How would you explain Kyle in the continuity?

[Eldermount]

According to the Bruce Timm interview (http://wf.toonzone.net/jl/btimminterview.htm), the reason that they haven't addressed the issue of Kyle Raynor being GL in Justice League is...

One more note about continuity, while we're on the subject: we're not specifically saying the Kyle Rayner episode of "Superman" never happened, we just haven't figured out yet how it COULD have. See, Kyle's not the
problem...ABIN SUR'S the problem!

Consider: if Abin was GL of our sector during "In Brightest Day", how could John Stewart have been our GL for the past10-15 years? Maybe the Kyle episode happens AFTER John becomes Parallax and murders half the galaxy...oh wait, I'm getting my continuities screwed-up...where's my tylenol? Any theories from the fan zone will be duly considered...
So, since he says that theories will be considered (I'm guessing for a future episode if it's good enough) how would you explain Kyle into or out of the continuity?

[DerekPowers]

well ive only seen "in brightest day" once, and i dont read the gl comics, but here a suggestion...

what if jon wasnt our solar system's green lantern for the last 10-15 years, just like the past three or something (since its ruffly 3 years post legacy, according to dg), because i dont remeber in the jl series it ever mentioning how long john stewart has been our gl.

simple, eh?

the big continuity problem imo is the rotj flashback, now thats a doozie. since we have this post, why not try and solve some of the other continuity problems...heres a run down off the top of my head...

1. John/Kyle/Abin problem (well, my solution isnt the only possibility..)

2. ROTJ flashback...when does it happen if JL is a few years after tnb/sa, making robin too old (hey, superman aged over that time period).

3. Post legacy....which will likely be addressed, so i guess its not a problem.

4. well, im having a hard time thinking up these continuity problems, could it be that thats it?? I'd say when superman said in "the call" part 2 that bruce was only a jl part timer is kind of true in the series, so i cant really think of any other continuity problems, can you???

[freakboy86]

Maybe Abin Sur wasn't the only GL in our sector. Perhaps they also had John Stewart to help out (or vice versa) because this sector of the galaxy has so many 'cosmic criminals' and superheroes in it that one GL couldn't handle it alone.
So while John Stewarts out patrolling the other side of the galaxy, Abin Sur runs across Sinestro, gets whacked and the ring goes to Kyle Rayner. Then over the next couple of years, Stewart either:
A) proves himself more than capable of handling our sector of space by himself and the Guardians take Kyle's ring back
or
B) Kyle finally lands that dream art job and quits his job as GL.

could work......

[metaphysician]

Originally posted by DerekPowers
well ive only seen "in brightest day" once, and i dont read the gl comics, but here a suggestion...

what if jon wasnt our solar system's green lantern for the last 10-15 years, just like the past three or something (since its ruffly 3 years post legacy, according to dg), because i dont remeber in the jl series it ever mentioning how long john stewart has been our gl.

simple, eh?

the big continuity problem imo is the rotj flashback, now thats a doozie. since we have this post, why not try and solve some of the other continuity problems...heres a run down off the top of my head...

1. John/Kyle/Abin problem (well, my solution isnt the only possibility..)

2. ROTJ flashback...when does it happen if JL is a few years after tnb/sa, making robin too old (hey, superman aged over that time period).

3. Post legacy....which will likely be addressed, so i guess its not a problem.

4. well, im having a hard time thinking up these continuity problems, could it be that thats it?? I'd say when superman said in "the call" part 2 that bruce was only a jl part timer is kind of true in the series, so i cant really think of any other continuity problems, can you???

As far as I know, the whole BB continuity is being considered an alternate future, and will not be dealt with in JL.

[Toddman]

Originally posted by DerekPowers

2. ROTJ flashback...when does it happen if JL is a few years after tnb/sa, making robin too old (hey, superman aged over that time period).


Robin's age might depend on how time moves in the animated DC Universe. If it passes the same way as it does in the comics, then the characters will NEVER be too old.

Right now "animated time" seems to be moving at a real-time pace. But if JL continues for a few more years, it may become more logical that all of the adventures that have aired in the various series span a shorter period of time.

And if all of that makes your head hurt as much as mine, just look at it this way...we don't know how old Robin was in the ROTJ flashback really. Sure he looks exactly the same as he he did in TNBA, but that design could just as easily work for a 16 year old as it does for a 12 year old. When Robin appears in "Static Shock" this month, he'll probably look no older than he did in the last TNBA episode he was in over three years ago.

Toddman

[freakboy86]

Another scenerio (or two)....

John Stewart feels so guilty over 'destroying' the planet shown in 'Blackest Night' (I don't remember if they said how long ago it happened so...) that he gives up the ring, Abin Sur is chosen as his replacement and meets Sinestro in his first battle. Crashes n dies, Kyle gets ring, then John comes out of 'retirement' and the ring goes back to it's 'original' owner.....

or even....

John gets miffed at the Guardians (he's a bit pig-headed) and they strip him of his ring, give it to Abin Sur, blah blah.....then the Guardians decide to give Stewart a second chance and take the ring away from Kyle.....

or....

Kyle's dead.

[The Guard]

I'd do away with the sector idea, and simply have a certain number of Power Rings that the Guardians distribute. Now Abin Sur was being pursued by Sinestro, and his only choice was to leave the ring with Kyle.

BUT...John Stewart was already a Green Lantern who made Earth his home, and Kyle needed training. So...he's offworld training with Kilowog or another GL. When Kyle returns, it gives Earth TWO GL's based on it.

[The Green Hornet]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IVE GOT IT!!!!!!!!


kyle is on earth-2! *duck*

[Karkull]

Originally posted by TheFastestManAlive
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IVE GOT IT!!!!!!!!


kyle is on earth-2! *duck*

[Snicker]...I mean, that's not funny.

:D

Yeah, it was.

I'm not going to re-type it here, but I still think that my "immersion training" theory holds water. Here's the link to that former thead:

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?threadid=13780&pagenumber=1

[freakboy86]

COOL! Great concept Karkull...never thought of that!

....but I like the Earth-2 idea better! teee heeee

[Green Lantern]

This may have already been mentioned. If it has, please pardon me. I'm just about falling asleep in front of my computer but I'm trying to keep myself awake to see Late Night with Conan. :)

I don't see why John Stewart has to have been GL for "10-15 years." For all we know about how the time has passed between TNBSA and JL, I would guess it's been just about 2 or 3 years. So three years ago, Abin Sur gave the ring to Kyle, Kyle was GL, and then he left to train other GL's or something or is exploring time or who knows... but then John took over, and became the new GL. So he's been GL for 2 or 3 years, which is plenty of time to be as "good" a GL as he is; he is nothing amazing. I would bet that he pre-GL life prepared his mind and self-discipline to be GL, so that's why he appears as such a veteran Lantern.

I don't really see anything wrong with my proposal. It's simple, it's easy to bring Kyle back, and Abin Sur is no problem. The problem is a foolish concern with making things disgustingly overly politically correct and creating two-dimensional, stereotypical ethnic characters because of it. They could bring Kyle back as soon as they felt like it, but they won't because Kyle is white. That's all.

[The Green Hornet]

heres an interesting idea

what if the sector that earth is in (which seems to include a lot of planets other than earth) is abnormally large (much moreso than the other sectors) and hostile, thus requiring the services of TWO lanterns

one human to represent the more human-like peoples, another an alien-- abin sur

what do you think?

[Toddman]

Originally posted by The Guard
I'd do away with the sector idea, and simply have a certain number of Power Rings that the Guardians distribute. Now Abin Sur was being pursued by Sinestro, and his only choice was to leave the ring with Kyle.

BUT...John Stewart was already a Green Lantern who made Earth his home, and Kyle needed training. So...he's offworld training with Kilowog or another GL. When Kyle returns, it gives Earth TWO GL's based on it.

That would actually solve a lot of problems. Unfortunately, Abin Sur and Kyle Rayner's space sector (2814) was already identified in "In Brightest Day."

Toddman

[BeastBoyWonder]

I think i'm one of the few people who prefers John Stewart over Kyle Raynar...John's attitude adds much more chemistry to the League. Anyway, to explain the continuity mixup...

John Stewart, having a reputation of being one of the better GL's, was called by the Guardians for a special mission to deal with a huge threat to the Galaxy...

However, a replacement was needed for sector 2814 was needed, and so the events of In Brightest Day commenced...

Then, some event that I still need to fabricate happens and Kyle has to leave sector 2814 (training, possible humiliation on Earth, etc) and by that time John Stewart returns to patrol his home sector.

Ohh, what we could do to add some tension between Kyle and John, we could have John helping deal with the threat, and then Kyle comes up with an imaginative solution to deal with the threat...but someone needs to patrol the sector and so John has to return to deal with that...and when Kyle helps deal with the threat and returns, we have both Kyle and John in the same sector, and they already have different styles and John has some personal grudges against Kyle, whereas Kyle probably looks up to John. Then the episode would resolve how John stays in the Justice League and Kyle prolly makes guest appearances here and there, but is generally busy with other stuff...

Basically, as long as John stays in I'm cool.