C&C - Ghost in the Shell 2nd Gig - "Fabricate Fog" [4/14]

[The Landstander]

Ghost in the Shell 2nd Gig is a pretty long name for a show.

[Sr.Infierno]

But it's no "The Original Max Talking Headroom Show"

[anime_guru]

wow
great episode...batou's comment about how the major was acting
*like a moody little girl that just found out about her crush*
priceless...
and now the stage is set-kuze vs. batou...can the big guy do it?

[NickWhiz1]

Kuze is seriously one of the most badass villains I've ever seen.

He's always calm and collected, yet emits a constant aura of badassness.

[makarios]

Ghost in the Shell 2nd Gig is a pretty long name for a show.

You forgot the "Stand Alone Complex" part.



Haha, the Tachikoma voices commanding people to come out with their hands up. I want to hear them read someone their rights.

[PTurkey]

I think the inspiration for revolution came to Kuze after watching Office Space one day. He was probably like "Hey, the Japanese government are jerks just like Initech! That's not cool. I'll be Peter and all my refugee buddies can be Michael and Samir and Milton we'll totally rip them off and burn the place down! Getting money with a hack that steals fractions of cents off of every bank transaction? I see no reason why that wouldn't work in the real world. Mike Judge, you are a genius, my hero, my inspiration. I love you, man."

[Sanwich]

I think the inspiration for revolution came to Kuze after watching Office Space one day.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that. ;)

[Nobuyuki sama]

Getting money with a hack that steals fractions of cents off of every bank transaction? I see no reason why that wouldn't work in the real world. Mike Judge, you are a genius, my hero, my inspiration. I love you, man." And he obviously got the idea from Superman III. ;)

[Paul_Cousins]

This episode is straight out of Chapter 07 of the first GitS manga. I have not seen the end of this episode yet, but I won't be surprised it the Major pretended to be a statue at the end to catch the Russian mobster.

[Djm912]

I believe that is the first time in the anime world that Kusanagi has referred to herself by her name and rank.

It's the first time I've heard it, anyway.

[Railith]

Ah the floppy disk, the eternal storage system.

[Djm912]

Kuze's last day at his real job.

"Uhhh...yeah....we're gonna need you to come in Saturday. That'd be great."
Kuze: Alright, that's it!

[B.K.]

Kuze must be an Office Space fan.

[AlienOmega]

Kuze must be an Office Space fan.That's what I was thinking.

[Chad Bonin]

Ya know, I fully expected to saunter in here and say...

"Wow. It's just like Office Space... which is just like Superman III..."

... but y'all are too quick.

[Djm912]

That re-doing of Batou's last line from this episode was better than I expected.

[Railith]

Bato could take him, but I know he probably won't.

[Steiner]

That's what I was thinking.

As was I. Figures that they have to end before the fight actually begins.

[One Radical Dude]

"Blow Kuze's damn head off...NOW!!! Come on, Batou -- what are you waiting for?" What was what I was thinking at the last scene.

[AlienOmega]

Ya know, I fully expected to saunter in here and say...

"Wow. It's just like Office Space... which is just like Superman III..."

... but y'all are too quick.Lotsa Office Space fans in the forum I guess.

[Nobuyuki sama]

Lotsa Office Space fans in the forum I guess.
Who isn't a fan?

Although everyone but Knux fails. :p

[Vagrant]

It's nice to know that in the future, fat, reclusive nerds have options.

Does the Major has the hots for Kuze?

Major and Kuze sitting in a tree, H-A-C-K-I-N-G?

Batou hates Kusanagi's boyfriend ... and wants to kill him in a fit of jealous rage.

That's so romantic. :D

[Anyone00]

So Kuze really doesn’t want yellow cake; he wants his red stapler.

[PickHut]

Major: I wonder what he dived into that killed him? *dives in*
Me: ......

[PTurkey]

Right before she leaves the dead hacker's room, Kusanagi notices some unsubtitled Japanese writing and then says stuff about a link to the CIS. Anybody know what that writing said?

[Karl Olson]

Today's Vocab Words: Salami Slicing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salami_slicing) - the illegal practice of stealing money repeatedly in extremely small quantities, usually by taking advantage of rounding to the nearest cent (or other monetary unit) in financial transactions. First documented occurance happened back in 1978.

I think the interesting thing here is the scale on which Kuze is pulling this off, method he's using to do it, and the resulting statement this makes about the culture he's fighting against. First off, he's not just fleecing one company in this fashion, he's fleecing the entire populous of Japan, a very plausible scenario because even today Japan has one of the highest personal savings rates out there, so there are millions of people just acrewing interest on money never paying much mind to it at all. Secondly, he's not dinging the transactions, he's taking the leftovers right from the accounts, literally grabbing the change most people don't even know they have, but they do actually own. The resulting statement is a bit of a cruel indictment, something to extent of "the change between the couch cushions of the nation of Japan could fund a terrorist insurgency to the tune of affording a considerable nuclear arsenal", or conversely there would be more than enough to help provide a slightly better life for the immigrants that helped rebuild the nation.

As such, it's not so much the method as what he's saying by using it - it's a Robin Hood mentality blended with guest worker disenfranchisement to further ideological miltarism under the guise of peace, and the odd thing is that it barely seems like sci-fi as a result. It's entirely plausible that something like 2nd GIG Immigrant Scenario could happen - parts of it already have in some areas of the world. This episode just further weaves the threads together. Heck, add in the controlled misinformation as a means of manipulation and sociopolitical enginneering, and the series seems almost prophetic, and is almost unsettling as such.

[Game Freak 4]

So, Kuze is trying to take over the world? Al that for this?! No offense but that is getting old. I thought there would be more to his actions.

And what the HELL was with those women?!

[Vallen Valiant]

So, Kuze is trying to take over the world? Al that for this?! No offense but that is getting old. I thought there would be more to his actions.

And what the HELL was with those women?!

Taking over the world? What gave you that idea?:confused:

[Karl Olson]

Taking over the world? What gave you that idea?:confused:

Because the Major said he effectively had that kind of megomanical ambition in the episode.

[Space Chief]

And what the HELL was with those women?!

Sex robots.

I find GitS to be highly inaccurate, because everyone knows that sex robots will be the last thing humanity achieves.

[silvanoir]

The tachikomas (when looking down that dirt cliff) said someone was constructing a geofront.... if Section 9 took on Nerv, that would get messy. But I'd soo watch.

On the ep itself, why is the Major so bowled over by this Koze guy because of his ambitions? Geez, I thought what got her in the hack was that she had a memory of him he was that boy in the hospital, right? , but when has someone having ambitions to take over ever affected her at all? I hope Batou does kick his ass.

[FlyByNite77]

Sex robots.

I find GitS to be highly inaccurate, because everyone knows that sex robots will be the last thing humanity achieves.

That's where Chobits is more realistic then GITS because it showed how society was spiraling downward because people just kept hanging out with their persocoms ;)

[K-S-O]

I enjoyed the last scene when Batou points his gun at Kuze with his angry face. It made me look forward to next week!

Kuze says he's a terrorist but I remember last week when he encouraged his allies to not use their weapons if they were to get attacked. It made me think he was a peaceful reformer but then I remembered the time his assassination attempt and the scene at the top of the building with the Individual Eleven. Now I'm confused on what he's trying to do.

Sorry, I always get lost in this series since I'm always tired when it's on.

[Anime411]

I'm glad you're all looking forward to next week! Because it's not only going to shock the hell out of you, but it gets you angry, sympathetic, worried, frustrated, and more. There is a fight, trust me, but that's all I'll say, because it's not what everyone expects, and it sure as hell isn't what you wanted to see. :sad:

[Game Freak 4]

Should I record that fight?

[Freedom Fighter]

Plausibly genius! Kuze is about to pull off the ultimate scam! Taking percentages of coins off accounts... that's just rich! All that to pay for a nuke from Russia... wonder how long that took him.

Batou... shoot the genius, ya blockhead, shoot him!

7.5 out of 10 for "Fabricate Fog," and tensely waiting to see next week's episode.

[Hyper Shadow X]

Damn cliffhangers.

[The Fullmetal]

Should I record that fight?

No, just wait for the DVD that'll come out in a few months.

[Fafhrd]

I think the inspiration for revolution came to Kuze after watching Office Space one day. He was probably like "Hey, the Japanese government are jerks just like Initech! That's not cool. I'll be Peter and all my refugee buddies can be Michael and Samir and Milton we'll totally rip them off and burn the place down! Getting money with a hack that steals fractions of cents off of every bank transaction? I see no reason why that wouldn't work in the real world. Mike Judge, you are a genius, my hero, my inspiration. I love you, man."The idea is an old one. It actually happened, probably before you were born, in the days that "IBM Machines" still used punched cards for input and output. But bankers have been working with money for even longer than that, and they did notice almost immediately that the amount of money all of those fractions represented (which was, indeed, a significant amount) suddenly no longer appeared in the proper place on their balance sheets. The bright guy who had been raking in all of that cash was tracked down, and spent a few years in prison, as a result.

[k-day42]

I'm glad you're all looking forward to next week! Because it's not only going to shock the hell out of you, but it gets you angry, sympathetic, worried, frustrated, and more. There is a fight, trust me, but that's all I'll say, because it's not what everyone expects, and it sure as hell isn't what you wanted to see. :sad:

.....crap.....now i'm worried...