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Blade1225

01-08-2002, 10:06 PM

There were 2 of them, i'm interested in knowing what happened, especially the one with joker's return
i can't seem to find any good spoilers on the web, and would like to see if anyone is willing to tell me
in-depth! not a brief 2 sentence thing!

Cassandra

01-09-2002, 02:02 AM

Well-
In the return of the joker, things start off with the joker gang robbing a warehouse of some telecommunications equiptment. Terry, as Batman, shows up and manages to stop them, but the equiptment is destroyed and the gang escapes
Terry goes back to the cave and talks to bruce-Bruce has gotten control of his company back, much to the dismay of the man who was scheduled to be promoted to CEO-a guy named Price.
Meanwhile the Joker and his gang have decided on where to steal a replacement part to the one that was destroyed-Wayne-Powers.

Wayne-Powers holds a formal party to welcome Bruce Wayne back to his old job, and the Joker crashes it as a destraction while his gang go to steal the parts. Bruce is obviously shocked by the Jokers reapearance, as he has been dead for thirty-five, fourty years. Terry, as Batman, is destracted by a woman falling from the party balcony, and the joker escapes

Terry and Bruce go back to the cave to regroup, but out of the blue Bruce asks Terry for the Batsuit back-he wants Terry to quit.
Terry leaves the suit only because he is forced too, and goes home, thinking it's over.
The next night he goes out with Dana and the Jokers attack him-him, not batman.Terry fights them off but thinks the Joker knows who he is and calls Bruce, demanding an explanation.
But Bruce doesn't answer and Terry is suspicious, so he returns to Wayne Manor.He finds the place trashed, Ace hurt, and the secret entrance wide open.Downstairs he finds Bruce suffering from the effects of the Joker's toxins, but Terry gives him an antidote that leaves Bruce alive but very ill.
Terry calls Barbara, and she tells him the story of how the joker died in a flashback sequence.

Basicly, the joker kidnapped Tim when he was robin, Tortured him, and poisoned him with chemicals.During this tim broke and told the Joker Bruce's secret.Bruce, as Batman, and Batgirl arrive to save him, bungle things a bit, and Tim sort of accidentaly kills the Joker. In the uncut version he does it on purpose.

Terry goes to investigate Tim, who is working for a telecomunications company but comes up dry.
Then he tries Price, but the Jokers are there and try to kill them both. Price had been helping them steal from Wayne-Powers, giving them access codes, (trying to get rid of wayne?)Terry saves him and drops him off to the police, and goes back to the still-trashed cave, stumped.

Bruce wakes and they talk. During this Terry notices that all the cases are smashed with the costumes in them, but only the Robin costume was torn up. He thinks Tim might have something to do with it-he was very bitter about being Robin when they talked.
The parts that were stolen, if combined by an expert could control defense satelites, shooting lasers down to earth instead of using them to blow up missles. Tim would be able to do it.

Terry goes to Tim's lab but it's a trap sent by the Joker. Terry escapes and figures out his hideout, but when he gets there all he finds is Tim. Batman questions him and he seems to be honestly confused- but halfway into it he freaks out and his personality suddenly shifts, catching Terry by surprise.
Then, as Terry's forced to watch, Tim turns into the Joker, incredible-hulk style. The Joker explains that Tim is ignorant of his existance, and that he has been with Tim ever since Tim was kidnapped, curtesy of a small microchip, embedded in Tim's neck, encoded with the Joker's DNA.
The joker announces his plan to start the destruction by aiming the laser at several sites over the city, including Terry's house and Wayne Manor. Terry brakes free and they have a really cool fight scene, ending with Terry really psyching the Joker out, and destroying the microchip in his neck.

There's a nice follow up scene with Tim in the hospital, and Bruce comes to visit him, smoothing things over with Terry before making up with Tim.

*whew!*
I left a few things out but I think you can get the gist of it

Naraht

01-09-2002, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Blade1225
There were 2 of them, i'm interested in knowing what happened, especially the one with joker's return
i can't seem to find any good spoilers on the web, and would like to see if anyone is willing to tell me
in-depth! not a brief 2 sentence thing!

The 1st "movie" was Rebirth ie the premiere of the TV show...

Blade1225

01-09-2002, 03:56 PM

wow thanks, awsome
that's a pretty nice plot for a kid's movie
im' impressed!!

Naraht

01-09-2002, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Blade1225
wow thanks, awsome
that's a pretty nice plot for a kid's movie
im' impressed!!

I'd hardly call BB:RotJ a Kids movie...

infact, I'd urge strong parental control w/This movie..

Apache Chief

01-09-2002, 04:01 PM

Wow - that was quite a through summary Cassandra. Nice job. Maybe you could answer a question for me: Although the Joker's origin has never been set in stone, it is generally accepted that he got his pale skin after falling into a vat of chemicals. Therefore, his white skin has nothing to do with his DNA. Why then does Tim turn white?

Naraht

01-09-2002, 04:03 PM

dc_gothamite

01-09-2002, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Apache Chief
Wow - that was quite a through summary Cassandra. Nice job. Maybe you could answer a question for me: Although the Joker's origin has never been set in stone, it is generally accepted that he got his pale skin after falling into a vat of chemicals. Therefore, his white skin has nothing to do with his DNA. Why then does Tim turn white?

i guess falling into the vat of chemicals changed more than just his physical appearance... Joker wasn't as crazy as he was when he was just a hitman for the Valestra mob... like Two-Face's incident, maybe Joker falling into the chemicals unleashed even more freakishness in him... i dunno... just a guess :confused:

killercroc

01-09-2002, 04:30 PM

Cassandra

01-09-2002, 08:22 PM

I think I'm going to agree with Croc-
because its an easy explanation. Of course, there is the fact that it wouldn't have looked half as cool without it, but I'm sure such a blastphamous idea never occured to them :D

Blade1225

01-09-2002, 08:53 PM

and, if it was just a DNA chip, how is his memory in tact? how does he remeber everything? or does he hack into Tim's memory

Tim Drake

01-10-2002, 01:40 AM

yeah there seemed to be quite a few things unexplained about Tim Drake becoming Joker and whatnot. Even the first time it seemed to hokey and unbelievable. I think I accepted it though because its Batman Beyond and they had synthoids and full virtual reality and Shriek and all the other techno babble. Had it been BTAS it wouldn't have made sense considering they still had black and white TV!

Maxie Zeus

01-10-2002, 10:06 AM

Most of the technical stuff doesn't make a lot of sense, but one can accept it just because the story is otherwise so very cool.

Cassandra

01-10-2002, 07:37 PM

Yeah I thought that was a little shaky too, I mean what they're saying is that technology existed in TNBA, or at least pretty close to it. However, it was a pretty good emotional punch.

Clayface

01-11-2002, 03:03 AM

I posted a really nice explanation of the whole transformation many months ago, but I think the thread is gone now. :(

Terminatah

01-11-2002, 03:57 AM

Obviously the chemicals Joker fell into mutated his DNA.

I have this theory that the microchip Joker showed Terry was decoy; a contingency plan so that if Terry overpowered him and broke the chip, he'd think Joker was dead. But really, the Joker would still exist in Tim's head, to resurface at a later time. As for the mutations, maybe there's another explanation for how they work. Joker could've done something else in those 3 weeks when he had Tim.

Who doesn't notice a microchip attached to the back of his neck for several decades? I know I might not touch the back of my neck every day, but this is ridiculous.

-Terminatah

DisneyBoy

01-11-2002, 12:45 PM

I'm very impressed with your logic, Terminatah!

I've never really enjoyed Batman Beyond, and basically will buy the uncut DVD for the Flashback. There were so many plot holes in the whole Tim/Joker idea. There really is no way that Tim would physically resemble Joker, even when the personalities switch! That would mean that all are bodies have the capacity to be manipulated into complete biological mutations at will! Ok, I'm no scientist, so it may be possible, but I think they made Tim change into Joker for asthetic purposes!

Your whole chip theory makes a lot of sense! If the Joker had worked so hard to keep himself alive for so many generations, I doubt he would have exposed his Achelles Heel at the crutial moment. He may be cocky, but he's not stupid! Besides, as he once said "If you have to explain the joke, there is no joke!" Telling Terry the whole story isn't the type of thing he'd do, unless he wasn't giving away the whole joke! There's more to come, I'm sure! Imagine everyone's surprise when Tim starts having more Joker memories...! "The Joke's On YOU!"

MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

DisneyBoy

01-11-2002, 12:46 PM

Sorry about all the poorly done laughter...I wanted to make it large in size...but I failed :(

Naraht

01-11-2002, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Cassandra
Yeah I thought that was a little shaky too, I mean what they're saying is that technology existed in TNBA, or at least pretty close to it. However, it was a pretty good emotional punch.

Well, I think while Joker had Tim kidnaped, he added some fun chemicals to his system, some of which would remain dormant until a signal from the microchip. I think the DNA thing was just a blue print, but it wasn't just a "Copy this DNA" thing, there were other cosmetic changes like the skin, lips, hair....

Clayface

01-11-2002, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by DisneyBoy
There really is no way that Tim would physically resemble Joker, even when the personalities switch! That would mean that all are bodies have the capacity to be manipulated into complete biological mutations at will!

Well, we are talking about a futuristic sci-fi show. And whenever you've got something set in the future, you can play with technology a bit. I didn't really have a problem with this aspect - I always thought of it as begin just like the Splicers transformations - DNA splicing and manipulation that could change his physical appearance.

Cassandra

01-11-2002, 07:45 PM

Well, as long as we're talking what-if's here,

What if it was Tim all along?

Clayface is right about the splicer analogy, but the Joker supposedly put the chip with the DNA encoded about fourty years before Terry's time, when the technology is new (at least it was portrayed as something new-the next crazy thing teenagers were into)
So, what about an easier explanation?Tim planned it all. He spliced himself, as a way to throw suspicion (and Batman) of his tail if he was discovered. He was crazy, maybe he had a split personality, and it was exactly like the Joker described it- limited at first, and then getting stronger and stronger until it became the dominant personality and decided to wreak havok against Gotham city and an old man he still resented. Like the ventriloquest, only with better visuals. what do you think?

Blade1225

01-11-2002, 07:56 PM

well then his voice wouldn't be the same as the original joker, as Bruce had stated

Clayface

01-11-2002, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Cassandra

Clayface is right about the splicer analogy, but the Joker supposedly put the chip with the DNA encoded about fourty years before Terry's time, when the technology is new (at least it was portrayed as something new-the next crazy thing teenagers were into)

Not neccesarilly. The Splicer technology was portrayed as new to the public - something that was now affordable and easily accessible. Any new technology goes through a period where, though its possible, it isn't practical. Computers used to be only accessible to scientists and places with huge funding - as the years went by, and the technology became perfected, and new technologies led to easier and cheaper forms of manufacture, computers became more accessible to the general public. Now practically everyone has one. I imagine it was the same thing with the Splicer tech - it went through a period where it was possible, but not practical for the general public. It only became practical and affordable for the general public in the Splicers episode we saw, but the tech may have been around for along time before that.