South Park "Cartoon Wars" Talkback.

[Ultra Mike]

Here is the TALKBACK For the Newest South Park Episode. Remember If You Want to talk about it BEFORE it Starts, there's still that speculation thread floating around. This is only for those who want to talk about it while/after it's playing. Anyway here's the synopsis.

"Kyle loves "Family Guy" and hates Cartman. The two boys embark upon a mad chase across the country and the fate of "Family Guy" lies with the first boy to reach Hollywood in all new episode of "South Park" titled "Cartoon Wars," premiering Wednesday, April 5 at 10:00 p.m. on Comedy Central. "

So remember to enjoy the episode and such.

[NickWhiz1]

For those of you that are lazy and want the link to the speculation thread:

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=163821

[Ultra Mike]

Okay the episode has now offically started and the speculation thread can stop (I can decree that since it's my thread and all).

Hmmm, I had kind of hoped (but doubted) they would do a more FGy version of the episode theme song, but oh well. I'm still betting it will turn out good.

[LordTerminal]

Just saw a preview and if you thought prevoius parodies were crude looking, wait till you see Brian & Peter!

[DarthGonzo]

Wow...it's like they were reading the speculation thread...wow

[Scirel]

Ah, it looks like it's more about the muslim cartoon thign than FG itself.

[DarthGonzo]

I think they know every single thing they're saying about FG applies to them as well.

UGH!! They just went off on a tangent...

[VCXZX]

God, this is brilliant. All the cutaways with the old stars. They nailed it good.

[Han Ji-Eun]

It sounds like "Family Guy" in this episode is code for "South Park"...

[Scirel]

God, this is brilliant. All the cutaways with the old stars. They nailed it good.

nailed? Stan and Kyle both laughed at it.

[The Fullmetal]

I love Family Guy, but this is great. Zawahiri is super-pissed at the jokes. Gotta love the use of real news footage with fake subtitles. :D

Heh, Seth pulled a Miyazaki. ;)

WTF was up with Stewie's voice? He sounded like a 40-year-old British guy.

[Juu-kuchi]

I like what I'm seeing...

...But I can do without the overpanicked cityfolk.

[Jeff Harris]

Wow . . . they're mocking the whole Muhummad cartoon situation AND the whole Scientology/South Park situation and people's reaction to them.

That's frelling brilliant.

[Scirel]

Dude, they're not even making fun of FG.

They're making fun of the Danish mohammed cartoon contraversy.

[DarthGonzo]

I think they're also making fun of themselves. EVERY SINGLE THING they're criticizing Family Guy for they're guilty of. THEY'RE MAKING FUN OF US FOR THE WAY WE TREAT BRAND NEW SOUTH PARKS EVERY WEEK.

[Juu-kuchi]

They need to crack a Meg joke to bring their execution of FG to full circle.

[RD!]

I think they're also making fun of themselves. EVERY SINGLE THING they're criticizing Family Guy for they're guilty of. THEY'RE MAKING FUN OF US FOR THE WAY WE TREAT BRAND NEW SOUTH PARKS EVERY WEEK.OH GOD IS THAT IS REALLY GOING ON DAMMIT SOUTH PARK HAD ME GOING BUT NOW THANKS TO YOUR HELP I SEE THROUGH THEIR SMOKE AND MIRRORS, THERE SUPER SUBTLE PLOT TO DECEIVE ME.

[The Fullmetal]

I have a feeling that as we speak, Seth is writing a script for a new SP-bashing episode of Family Guy.

[DarthGonzo]

OH GOD IS THAT IS REALLY GOING ON DAMMIT SOUTH PARK HAD ME GOING BUT NOW THANKS TO YOUR HELP I SEE THROUGH THEIR SMOKE AND MIRRORS, THERE SUPER SUBTLE PLOT TO DECEIVE ME.

Huh? I was just trying to spell it out the way I think it's going. Replace "Family Guy" with a made-up cartoon and the plot is exactly the same AND would make it more apparent that they're making fun of how ridiculous and repetitive they've gotten these past few seasons.

Regardless, it's pretty lame. What the hell do they think they're doing?

[Scirel]

Cartman has an ulterior motive here somewhere.
Gotta see what it is. ^_^

Ah here it is, typical cartman villain thing. They`re on FG's side. (even though th ep isn`t really about FG)

[The Fullmetal]

Cartman, ever hear of Adult Swim? Yeah, good luck with that Family Guy cancellation.

[tb4000]

There we go! Cartman just says the exact same thing that Matt and Trey have said about Family Guy in the past. I knew it was coming.

[Han Ji-Eun]

I have a feeling that as we speak, Seth is writing a script for a new SP-bashing episode of Family Guy.

Why? I actually think that SP was kind of grouping themselves in the same area as FG, sort of like kindred spirits.

....Oh wait, here comes Cartman's "interchangable joke" rant....

[Juu-kuchi]

Here comes the FG bashing. That's quite the reason for Cartman to hate FG.

[LordTerminal]

Cartman's in denial about being like Family Guy......I'm with Cartman on this. He's not a thing like Family Guy.

[DarthGonzo]

Awww, do Matty and Lil' Trey need to vent a little bit? Here, I'll give you some binkies and you both can go to beddie-bye. :p

[VCXZX]

"Is that Tim McGraw?"

awesome. Just awesome. Cartman's speech about FG (obviously a meta-reference to the creators not liking FG) was great.

[Scirel]

They're not really making fun of it, they just don`t like beign compared to it.

So far their message has been for Fg, not against it.

[DarthGonzo]

"Is that Tim McGraw?"

awesome. Just awesome. Cartman's speech about FG (obviously a meta-reference to the creators not liking FG) was great.

The Cartman and Kyle scenes may be blatently attacking Family Guy, but the ridiculous stuff going on over in the town is basically the show making fun of itself for all the "town panic" scenes they've been doing lately. That's why it's so extreme.

[Juu-kuchi]

This is a talkback for "Cartoon Wars", not a talkback about how Matt and Trey are ******* stupid and should go to hell.

Brilliant. A cliffhanger. Next week will seem to be an eternity now.

[tb4000]

A two parter?

[DarthGonzo]

Crap in a Hat...a two-parter.

You know, the more I watched this, the more I started to think someone from CC is a member lurking around this board. Feels like it was put together after someone read the speculation thread.

[LordTerminal]

Well that explains why there wasn't much FG bashing: IT'S A FREAKING TWO PARTER!

So who wants to guess that the FG writing staff is really the Crab People again?

[VCXZX]

Great ending.

Did anybody notice the 26 sign at Fox Studios? That was great.

[Han Ji-Eun]

"Or will Comedy Central wuss out?"........

Great slap in the face to CC for the Tom Cruise crap.

[sdp]

man, i expected a good episode after so much hype, i don't know seemed like the generic SP episode to me,

this show should have died a long time ago, and people think the simpsons are bad, this show will definately not age well at all too.

[Ikou]

I though it was a good ep, Can't wait to see what they do next week....unless CC wuss out.
EDIT: I think the point of the ep was the overaction the muslim cartoon as shown from the town and how matt and trey dosent like to be in the same boat as Family Guy as shown from Cartman's rant.

[DarthGonzo]

this show should have died a long time ago, and people think the simpsons are bad, this show will definately not age well at all too.

Wow, you sound a lot like the people of South Park regarding Family Guy...wait...I think that was a point.

[The Landstander]

The message seemed pretty standard for South Park. It was mainly "censorship sucks" mixed with just a bit of FG parody/mocking for good measure (really, considering they hate the show they weren't bad at all).

I thought it was pretty meh, myself. Cartman's betrayal was too obvious and the message seemed a bit sledgehammered in. And I liked the last two weeks.

[Aaron_bhkk]

I love how much pretty much everybody is reading into every little thing in the episode. There's not a subtle underlying meaning in everything. At points, they were obviously drawing comparisons between themselves in the show, and Cartman's rant was clearly their feelings about the show. Besides that and the brief parody of the show itself, there was really nothing else about Family Guy in the episode. It was mostly about the mohammed drawings.

If they really do a part two next week, it had better be good. If they don't, that was just about the lamest ending to an episode of South Park ever. You can have your joke woven into the plotline, but at least come up with a decent conclusion.

[Nin-Nin69]

This is by far my favorite episode I've ever seen of SP. The animation, the humor, covering the whole Muhammad situation, and the over the top hollywood acting really stood out more than any other episode they've done.

Aside from what everyone has said above, it's funny how they're crying over Muhammad so much when there was:

http://www.electricferret.com/battle/contenders/con_SBF_1.jpg

And this still slipped by to this day. :anime:

[Jazman]

That was it? :sad:
Besides for Cartman's Little rant, hardly any bashing at all really. Crude parody at the beginning was okay, but this episode could have been written a bit better.

My Feelings, if this episode was made 3 or 4 years ago, say FG was as popular then as it is now, it would have been funnier. And on top of that, I've got to wait until next week to see the final leg of the opinions of the show. Anyone else willing to bet Seth is a Crab Person? Or Aliens, or hippies.

2.5/5, but will change depending on next week.

[ManicWebb]

Interesting. Parker & Stone seem to hate being compared to Family Guy, but acknowledge its right to exist and its fans' rights to watch it. Stan and Kyle, who usually serve as P&S's voices on the show, think it's hilarious, but Cartman (P&S's own irony come to life) hates it to the point of doing something stupid.

As for Family Guy's writers? Monkeys. Or giant ******s.

[The Myst]

Worst South Park episode EVER!

I love Family Guy but I can take a joke. I tuned in hoping South Park would rip it to shreds with a hilarious and actually clever parody.

Instead, what I got was 22 minutes of purely mean-spirited boredom attacking Family Guy in a way that sounded like jealous internet fanboys had written it and lame parodies. I can laugh at Family Guy. I make fun of their excessive cut-aways and lack of plot myself.

But this was crap. It had maybe three jokes in it that made me go at best "heh" and was just 22 minutes of Family Guy bashing for no good reason without even a clever twist to it. And then they try to tie it into the Mohammed cartoon thing which was just stupid.

And then finally, I think maybe they'll have a funny ending, maybe something where Cartman suddenly loves Family Guy because Kyle's against it now but no! They just close it out with a total cop-out!

Complete dud episode and, dare I say it, THE WORST SOUTH PARK EPISODE EVER MADE!

[Zinal]

Man, I should'nt voted for 10. I was so hype for this episode, that I voted ahead of time. There were a few parts I like,Though Somehow, I kind of knew this episode would'nt be good.

[The Fullmetal]

Well, this is shocking. There's nothing on http://www.ytmnd.com

...yet.

Wait, I know why. BECAUSE THE EPISODE SUCKED AND IT'S NOT WORTH UPLOADING CLIPS!

[DarthGonzo]

I love how much pretty much everybody is reading into every little thing in the episode. There's not a subtle underlying meaning in everything. At points, they were obviously drawing comparisons between themselves in the show, and Cartman's rant was clearly their feelings about the show. Besides that and the brief parody of the show itself, there was really nothing else about Family Guy in the episode.

They could have been talking about any show and the point would still be that they're just as guilty for all the stuff theyve made fun of.

[Classic Speedy]

Well... that was a bit of a letdown after that big hype thread, but I did like some moments like the Kyle/Cartman super low speed bike chase (complete with cop car crashing into the ditch), the "bury the heads in the sand" bits, and Kyle's dad psychotically smashing the TV when Family Guy was on.

Wow though, lots of missed opportunities with spoofing Family Guy.

[NickWhiz1]

Well, that was pretty good.

Can't wait for next week!

[Squall]

South Park is going to show an image of Muhammed next week? And they're asking the audience if Comedy Central will wuss out? Wow. And, at the same time, they're making fun of themselves, Family Guy, comparisons between the two shows, Scientology, Comedy Central, FOX, and extreme reactions to religious extremists. How do Matt & Trey cram so much irony into a single episode?

[Timmay]

So let's see...

Matt and Trey don't like FG or being compared to it.
They're still pissed about getting their episode pulled.
The Muhammed Cartoon fiasco is stupid.

[mojokingbee1]

3/5 for this one. Mostly for the parody of FG cutaways (and the lame-ass way they introduce them). I'm hoping they don't pull another "Not Without My Anus" and fake out.

[mojokingbee1]

South Park is going to show an image of Muhammed next week? And they're asking the audience if Comedy Central will wuss out? Wow. And, at the same time, they're making fun of themselves, Family Guy, comparisons between the two shows, Scientology, Comedy Central, FOX, and extreme reactions to religious extremists. How do Matt & Trey cram so much irony into a single episode?

I bet they're drinking lots of smoothies right now.

[Ultra Mike]

I'm hoping that this is a two parter and the second part has more FG jokes. There were more in there then people thought (not just Cartman's general attiude towards the show, but the cutaway upon cutaway, as well as the Muslim guy basically crituqing how little structure the plots usually have) but they seemed more concerned with being over-panicked about the image of Muhamad and such extreme measures being taken. Perhaps this is in retalliation for all the times that the SP staff has been slammed for they're shows (I'm guessing it is. Espically after the Comedy Central mention at the end and Cartman's mention of the show being pulled after they can people to attack episode after episode just like how "Trapped in A Closest" and "Bloody Mary" were pulled after premiering). I'm also hoping that in the next part they mention how the show may be pulled on FOX but it would just come back on Adult Swim. That'd be really funny.

[Dante Bunny]

Cartman is over-reacting about he acts like that show, Family Guy...He does toilet and sex humor during the show...Cartman, remember the "Hitler" that you give Butters at the ski trip...Yeah, that's money. :p Anyway, Catman might going to start a war against Family Guy that won't going to end...Nice episode. XD


Orignally posted by Ultra Mike


I'm hoping that this is a two parter and the second part has more FG jokes. There were more in there then people thought (not just Cartman's general attiude towards the show, but the cutaway upon cutaway, as well as the Muslim guy basically crituqing how little structure the plots usually have) but they seemed more concerned with being over-panicked about the image of Muhamad and such extreme measures being taken. Perhaps this is in retalliation for all the times that the SP staff has been slammed for they're shows (I'm guessing it is. Espically after the Comedy Central mention at the end and Cartman's mention of the show being pulled after they can people to attack episode after episode just like how "Trapped in A Closest" and "Bloody Mary" were pulled after premiering). I'm also hoping that in the next part they mention how the show may be pulled on FOX but it would just come back on Adult Swim. That'd be really funny.

Yeah, I would like Cartman will defeat the power of Adult Swim. He needs to get past the Aqua Teen, the Boondocks, and all the shows on Adult Swim. XD

[DarthGonzo]

When Seth decides to retaliate it'll be when we least expect it one random episode. All of a sudden there's this cutaway and then...BAM!!...this gigantic knock at South Park that's really quick but funnier than an entire episode of South Park trying to do the same to someone else.

[Mek]

Wow, someone has a hate boner showing. :p

[GregX]

Loved it! Loved it! Loved it!

Of course, I hate Family Guy

[ManicWebb]

I love Family Guy but I can take a joke. I tuned in hoping South Park would rip it to shreds with a hilarious and actually clever parody.

Instead, what I got was 22 minutes of purely mean-spirited boredom attacking Family Guy in a way that sounded like jealous internet fanboys had written it and lame parodies. I can laugh at Family Guy. I make fun of their excessive cut-aways and lack of plot myself.

But this was crap. It had maybe three jokes in it that made me go at best "heh" and was just 22 minutes of Family Guy bashing for no good reason without even a clever twist to it. And then they try to tie it into the Mohammed cartoon thing which was just stupid.

And then finally, I think maybe they'll have a funny ending, maybe something where Cartman suddenly loves Family Guy because Kyle's against it now but no! They just close it out with a total cop-out!

Complete dud episode and, dare I say it, THE WORST SOUTH PARK EPISODE EVER MADE!
What was it I said in the speculation thread? Oh yeah...


But at least MacFarlane doesn't accidentally forget to write any jokes for 22 minutes because he was too busy cramming his ideals down the audience's collective throat. Granted, I agree with Parker & Stone on a lot of things, but sometimes the humor is just missing.
I'm just sayin'.

[GregX]

It's a different kind of humor. Personally, I prefer it.

[DarthGonzo]

What's funny is that I don't really see a lot of people comparing Family Guy to South Park. Usually I see Family Guy being compared to Simpsons and American Dad. In my mind, FG and SP exist in very seperate worlds. They're not in competition with each other.

[The Landstander]

Did people miss that Family Guy was really just a secondary part of the episode?

[RD!]

Did people miss that Family Guy was really just a secondary part of the episode?I wouldn't even say secondary more of a "this is what is popular right now" cover. More of a forthendary plot I'd say. Eh? Eh?

[Dogasu]

Did people miss that Family Guy was really just a secondary part of the episode?

How can they realize that when their Family Guy fanboyism gets in their way?

[Scirel]

Did people miss that Family Guy was really just a secondary part of the episode?

I think so. Not to mention that the show's preachers, stan & kyle, liked it.

[Dante Bunny]

When Seth decides to retaliate it'll be when we least expect it one random episode. All of a sudden there's this cutaway and then...BAM!!...this gigantic knock at South Park that's really quick but funnier than an entire episode of South Park trying to do the same to someone else.In other words, What's goes around, comes around?

[Jazman]

Did people miss that Family Guy was really just a secondary part of the episode?

I didn't miss that at all, it was still not that great. Lot's of chances to make this episode memorable, but missed. I liked the few jokes at the expense, like the poorly drawn and really terrible voice impressions at the beginning, but the rest of the episode was SP post Season 8 formula. Issue, Somehow threatens the town, and the adults act like complete morons. The catch with this one, is that it's 2 parts. So we get to see the same thing next week. As people have said, it needs to be better. If Matt and Trey do write episodes in a week, then they need to listen up, and take some advise, and get cracking with humor. Tonights was lacking. Shame, I really syked about this one too.

Now that I think about it, I was a bit too nice with my score.

[The Landstander]

I didn't miss that at all, it was still not that great. Oh, I actually agree (we voted the same *high5*), I'm just finding the handful of "screw South Park they made an EPISODE insulting FAMILY GUY" posts kind of bizarre.

[brianycpht]

It would've been funnier if it wasn't the second uncensored part that scared them, but the Adult Swim reairing, which are usually more intact than the FOX airings.

[The Fullmetal]

It would've been funnier if it wasn't the second uncensored part that scared them, but the Adult Swim reairing, which are usually more intact than the FOX airings.

WTF are you talking about? South Park doesn't air on AS (thankfully). And what you see on AS is what you see on Fox. There's nothing cut for the Fox broadcasts, and if there is, it's also cut for AS.

[Baseball]

WTF are you talking about? South Park doesn't air on AS (thankfully). And what you see on AS is what you see on Fox. There's nothing cut for the Fox broadcasts, and if there is, it's also cut for AS.
He means Family Guy, and is correct. Adult Swim can air Family Guy as it was intended to be aired. Some gags are cut out of the Fox broadcasts, such as the "CBS Asiantown" one, and are shown in the AS rerun.

[SilverKnight]

Five bucks says there actually isn't a second part at all, and it was just a way of ending it to hype up the fans needlessly.

As far as the eppy was concerned, it's kind of the reason why I stopped watching SP a little after the movie aired: the topics annoy me. Not that I even disagree with what they're saying, but their use of blatant parodying is so damn blunt that I'm suffering from head trauma. Use of Family Guy:

First, was just a ploy to get people to watch and hype it up,
Second, was a good vessel to display how even personal dislike for a show doesn't qualify as a valid excuse to censor it or destroy it, despite what many of the psychotic fanboys on either side seem to be chanting for both shows,
Third, was a convenient method of illustrating their distaste for censorship over fear,
Fourth, showed how, ironically, South Park itself is guilty of a lot of the barbs they place on Family Guy, and,
Fifth, was a hell of a good way to throw in a cheap shot, while they were at it.Honestly, T&P may not like FG, but they can't honestly say without a shadow of a doubt that their humor (especially in the first two seasons at least) didn't have just as much randomness and stupid humor in it. Seriously: Mecha Striesand? However, I don't see how people can compare the two shows, because their style of humor, despite the randomness, is really entirely different. Still, despite seeing what they were trying to do and being mildly impressed by T&P's impersonations of the FG crew, the episode really sucked. Heavy handed, with a point I agreed with, but I didn't watch SP to think about the Message of the Week--which I already knew about, thank you very much. I watched SP because it was obscene, stupid fun to watch. Somewhere along the way, it stopped being that for me.

Freedom of Speech rocks. (b^_^)b :p

Edit: By the way, Fullmetal, you need to cool down. Like now. Please. >hands him a cookie<

[SemiJuggalo]

I had a feeling why this show seemed a little slow picking up the pace!

I'm a HUGE Family Guy fan, but they pretty much nailed the random humor in FG! I also see why Cartman has such a problem with it, the humor in both shows are waaaaaaay different from each other! The fake subtitles with the old Muslim guy were also a nice touch!

I can't wait to see what happens next week!

[Classic Speedy]

Seriously, "Mr. T's tea"? I don't remember Family Guy ever making such a lame pun in a cutaway, unless it was to mock said pun or throw something unexpected into the mix soon after.

[Captain Harlock]

I thought it was a pretty solid episode in an above average season. The Family Guy criticism of, "Remember that time.." was spot on. It's one of the major reasons why Family Guy really isn't funny anymore when every five seconds is a cutaway. Regardless, I found that the point of the episode was to make fun of themselves more than anything. Using the recent events surrounding the Muslim cartoons, it pretty much provided a comparision to their 'Mary Statue' episode. One thing that is getting a little annoying is the constant "disaster" movie theme that most of the new episodes employ to be over the top. It's fine every once in a while like the "Day After Tomorrow Parody", but I thought it was a little too far fetched. It wasn't explicitly a Family Guy bashing episode, just a metaphor for what happened to them.

[Classic Speedy]

It's one of the major reasons why Family Guy really isn't funny anymore when every five seconds is a cutaway. I dunno... I'd argue that the practice of one cutaway after another was more common practice in Season 1. Remember "Death Has a Shadow"? Excellent episode but dang, it probably had five minutes of actual plot.

[The Myst]

Five bucks says there actually isn't a second part at all, and it was just a way of ending it to hype up the fans needlessly.

As far as the eppy was concerned, it's kind of the reason why I stopped watching SP a little after the movie aired: the topics annoy me. Not that I even disagree with what they're saying, but their use of blatant parodying is so damn blunt that I'm suffering from head trauma. Use of Family Guy:
First, was just a ploy to get people to watch and hype it up,
Second, was a good vessel to display how even personal dislike for a show doesn't qualify as a valid excuse to censor it or destroy it, despite what many of the psychotic fanboys on either side seem to be chanting for both shows,
Third, was a convenient method of illustrating their distaste for censorship over fear,
Fourth, showed how, ironically, South Park itself is guilty of a lot of the barbs they place on Family Guy, and,
Fifth, was a hell of a good way to throw in a cheap shot, while they were at it.Honestly, T&P may not like FG, but they can't honestly say without a shadow of a doubt that their humor (especially in the first two seasons at least) didn't have just as much randomness and stupid humor in it. Seriously: Mecha Striesand? However, I don't see how people can compare the two shows, because their style of humor, despite the randomness, is really entirely different. Still, despite seeing what they were trying to do and being mildly impressed by T&P's impersonations of the FG crew, the episode really sucked. Heavy handed, with a point I agreed with, but I didn't watch SP to think about the Message of the Week--which I already knew about, thank you very much. I watched SP because it was obscene, stupid fun to watch. Somewhere along the way, it stopped being that for me.

Freedom of Speech rocks. (b^_^)b :p

Edit: By the way, Fullmetal, you need to cool down. Like now. Please. >hands him a cookie<

Not all episodes are as heavy handed. Some are still quite random. "You Got F'd In The A" anyone? The episodes like these though that are so heavy-handed have happened more lately and do suck. "Follow That Egg!" anyone?

[The Myst]

I dunno... I'd argue that the practice of one cutaway after another was more common practice in Season 1. Remember "Death Has a Shadow"? Excellent episode but dang, it probably had five minutes of actual plot.
Season 2 was the same way. I think Season 3 was the only one to cut back on them.

I think one of the worst parts about Family Guy bashing is the constant bringing up of their cut-aways. A friend of mine and I have talked about this many times before and it's still true: if you're watching Family Guy for an intelligent plot, quit watching Family Guy.

[Sigma]

I really liked this episode. I also enjoy Family Guy, but the way it was shown on South Park is exactly how Family Guy really is. That being said Family Guy, while funny is at times entirely too random.

I've always liked South Park more than Family Guy and am also a huge fan of Trey and Matt's other projects.

It seemed to me that Trey and Matt were really making fun of how Comedy Central pulled the "Scientology" and "Bloody Mary" episodes due to religion.

[90'sCartoonMan]

Five bucks says there actually isn't a second part at all, and it was just a way of ending it to hype up the fans needlessly.

I hope there is a part 2. It feels like there should be some sort of concluding thing that draws the heads in the sand, Muhammed, and Family Guy together in a common theme or statement. Plus the Cartman/Kyle chase felt long, meaning it could've been padding so the story would stretch out over two episodes.

The Muhammed thing was funny because they themselves did it (and talked about it on one of the commentaries, most likely Superbestfriends). But the highlight for me was the fake Family Guy episode (the voices were hilarious) and Cartman's rant.

South Park and Family Guy do fall in the category of "low brow animated humor", but they are widely different. Matt and Trey are saying that Family Guy doesn't make an effort to be funny but relying on references to get laughs. Whereas South Park is about social commentary and makes fun of current events. They feel South Park is more intelligent humor, and are insulted that they'd be compared to Family Guy.

I hope Seth doesn't retaliate. The Simpsons, Clerks, and South Park all made fun of Family Guy, and there hasn't been any real responses. I kinda like the odd and unexpected thought that Family Guy would be the one taking the high road.

[Don_East]

Whereas South Park is about social commentary and makes fun of current events. They feel South Park is more intelligent humor, and are insulted that they'd be compared to Family Guy.

You're telling me that Matt & Trey think South Park is smarter just because of social commentary & news satire? If you are that would make them the equivalent of guys who try to sound smart by saying big words.

Also, on the off chance of those two reading this, those jokes that nothing to do with the plot are called "cutaways" for a reason. They 'cut' away from the actual plot to another scene and 'cut' back. And the only thing interchangeable is how they are brought in. Do your homework next time before you do a parody, like the Family Guy writers.


[Don_East]

[MGFanJay]

I came into this episode not knowing what to expect, and came out of it excited about next week's show. The FG bashing was pretty fairly done all things considered, and I loved how badly done the FG characters' voices were done.


(http://forums.toonzone.net/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=2125636)

[Duke]

While not excellent, it was rather decent and pretty funny. It was an enjoyable way to spend 20 minutes, so I'm happy.

[SirLemming]

Pretty standard, but pretty interesting. I guess a relative lack of jokes is preferable to bombed jokes.

The FG parody was good, not great. Better than some others, though, and certainly way better than The Simpsons' attacks on FG, which have mostly just been something along the lines of "Family Guy is bad." At least they actually made a point or two about the show.

The plot was pretty unique, I thought -- and we'll see where it goes next. I think it's the humor that was too generic. Where the humor failed, it failed basically for the same reasons it's been failing for the past few seasons: Trey & Matt still seem to think it's funny for the characters to speak in serious voices about non-serious things. And then it all builds up to... a moment that reveals WHOAMG IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A SERIOUS SITUATION! I'm just thankful they weren't in that mode for the ENTIRE EPISODE, like in "Die Hippie Die".

This episode obviously referred to both South Park's recent controversy and the Mohammed cartoon controversy, but I wonder if it also referred to the The Book Of Daniel controversy -- the show that starred Jesus as a character (the first dialogue about the Mohammed issue made it sound like it was referring to this). Hard to say, since that show pretty much died upon arrival, despite all the controversy leading up to it.


Instead, what I got was 22 minutes of purely mean-spirited boredom attacking Family Guy in a way that sounded like jealous internet fanboys had written it and lame parodies.
...did you watch the episode? The Family Guy-bashing constituted about 1-2 minutes total.

[TnAdct1]

While the episode does provide clever jabs at Trey and Matt’s personal opinions on Family Guy (with Cartman hating how people compare his humor to Family Guy’s humor, and him and an Islam head hating the random humor that appears on the show), I think the reason why a lot of people are upset with this episode is due to the fact that they don’t realize that Trey and Matt’s opinions of Family Guy is only part of the satire in this episode. There’s three other main things that are being spoofed in this episode:

1. The uproar that happened when Muslims were offended by a Danish cartoonist’s comic that depicted Muhammed. Just as the people of South Park feared, Muslims actually did riot and perform “terrorist-like” acts in response to this comic.

2. The amount of controversy that South Park has done in the past. A lot of the jokes that are made about the South Park version of Family Guy are so true when it comes to South Park: the show has actually offended Muslims by showing Muhammed in the Super Best Friends episode; two more recent episodes of the show “Trapped in the Closet” and “Bloody Mary” were threatened to be pulled because of religious reasons (with the pulling of “Trapped in the Closet” being successful); and there’s a good chance that South Park would be pulled altogether if Jews, Christians, and handicapped people all complained about how they were being portrayed in this show.

3. The over-hyping of an otherwise “average” or “below-average” episode. If you ignore the religious controversies, both “Trapped in the Closet” and “Bloody Mary” were both basically crappy episodes. Just like those two episodes, the Family Guy episode depicted in tonight’s South Park was like your typical run-of-the-mill episode of that show. To further prove that this episode is mocking “over-hyped” episodes, just take a look at the hype that this episode got in the past two days. Now, compare that to the reaction that most people had with tonight’s episode after viewing it.

BTW, does anyelse think that the "William Shatner" joke in the Family Guy parody would make for a good Adam West joke on the actual Family Guy tv show?

[TVsKyle]

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

[Peter Paltridge]

Great ending.

Did anybody notice the 26 sign at Fox Studios? That was great.
26 sign? Explain that.....

Wow, it's a two-parter! Good thing too....as that highway chase dragged on, I was getting mighty angry about not seeing a South Parked version of Seth. And judging by the first two pages of this thread, so was everyone else.

It'll be fixed, folks....we'll get our full-circle roast....

[The Myst]

Pretty standard, but pretty interesting. I guess a relative lack of jokes is preferable to bombed jokes.

The FG parody was good, not great. Better than some others, though, and certainly way better than The Simpsons' attacks on FG, which have mostly just been something along the lines of "Family Guy is bad." At least they actually made a point or two about the show.

The plot was pretty unique, I thought -- and we'll see where it goes next. I think it's the humor that was too generic. Where the humor failed, it failed basically for the same reasons it's been failing for the past few seasons: Trey & Matt still seem to think it's funny for the characters to speak in serious voices about non-serious things. And then it all builds up to... a moment that reveals WHOAMG IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A SERIOUS SITUATION! I'm just thankful they weren't in that mode for the ENTIRE EPISODE, like in "Die Hippie Die".

...did you watch the episode? The Family Guy-bashing constituted about 1-2 minutes total.
"Die Hippie Die" was actually a good episode though, unlike this one.

And yes, I watched the episode. And I exaggerated the Family Guy jokes. But they were essentially all that wasn't entirely forgettable about the episode. The rest of it was boring and unfunny. I kept waiting for a joke and got nothing out of it. Nothing. Cartman's rant about Family Guy towards the end was especially one of the stupidest things I've seen them do on South Park. The heads in the sand, the bike chase, the town panicking, the Mohammed stuff, it all sucked.

The only good parts IMO:

Randy Marsh: If we wake up in the morning, we'll know we're not dead!

Townspeople run around panicked.
Stan: Dude, what's going on now?

The cop car desperately trying to catch up to them on their slow-moving big wheels.

Stephen Stotch's speech followed by everyone liking the idea of sticking their heads in the sand.

Random guy decides to sacrifice himself.
Ms. Garrison: Who the hell is that guy?

And all of that, outside of Randy's line, only amounted to a "heh".

[Conan-san]

"Or will Comedy Central wuss out?"........

Great slap in the face to CC for the Tom Cruise crap.Oh, that's going to make international Airing of this episode a witch.

[SirLemming]

Myst: So basically... you didn't like the episode in general. Well, that makes a lot more sense.

[Conan-san]

Does anyone else feel that the whole Sand thing is going to go belly up? (Remermber how Ms. Garason said about sand being partly responcible for Muslems geting upset and such? I know it's utter bullhonkey but it might be an important plot point for next week, if it is a two parter.).

Kinda felt aproperate that the one person to not burry thier head in the sand was disregarded and viewed as unimportant.
Cartman as a symphatic villian? Man, these dramatic epsidoes are geting better and better by the episdoe.

Great Episode all in all.

[VCXZX]

26 sign? Explain that.....

During the scene where Bush is at Fox Studios, there are 2 signs. The sign to the left is Family Guy. The sign to the right is "26" a parody of the hit show 24.

[90'sCartoonMan]

You're telling me that Matt & Trey think South Park is smarter just because of social commentary & news satire? If you are that would make them the equivalent of guys who try to sound smart by saying big words.

No, I'm saying that they think South Park is smarter because they take the time to think about what they're making fun of, wheras Family Guy will just reference something and that's the joke.

Not saying I completely agree, but look at how both shows dealt with The Passion of The Christ:

South Park devoted a whole episode to showing how a Jewish character would feel bad, Christians blindly following something just because it has something to do with its religion, criticizing Mel Gibson for excessive violence, and characters demanding their money back because they didn't think it was that good a movie.

Family Guy parodied the movie by making the sequal look like a buddy cop action movie.

To Trey and Matt, there's a huge difference between the kind of jokes they do about something (to make a point) and the jokes Family Guy does (which they're criticizing is funny just because they're referencing something in a weird context).

[Han Ji-Eun]

Family Guy parodied the movie by making the sequal look like a buddy cop action movie.


Wasn't this supposed to be a commentary on Mel Gibson exploiting the Christian faith for profit? I mean, I see how South Park had social commentary in its "Passion" episode, but I thought Family Guy did as well.

[90'sCartoonMan]

Whoops, I saw the Passion was just talked about in the speculation thread.

You're right, Ji-Eun, FG did parody it more than I gave it credit for. I'm having trouble thinking of things both shows made fun of.

Oooh, okay! Take the South Park Halloween episode with KORN. They spent the whole episode making fun of Scooby Doo-type cartoons. They made a plot out of it. When Family Guy referenced Scooby Doo, it was one quick cutaway that had nothing to do with the episode (wasn't Peter watching it on TV?). Trey and Matt don't like being compared to Family Guy because they work harder to incorporate the jokes into the story.

[Redi]

I only watched this episode of SP because I wanted to see FG get bashed.

....so I pretty much wasted my time watching.

[Fan of Sponge]

This episode of South Park has to be one of the best. I believe this episode is greater than the 'The Return of Chef' in my opinion. Anyways, Matt & Trey did a great job of spreading this plot out and use many elements from past events that pretain to the show. I knew when the bike scene started, there's going to be a second part to the episode. Loved the live action scenes and how Matt & Trey used a tape from one of the terrorists and make fake translations. I can't wait for next week, but then again, Matt & Trey can just fool us again and use an episode that doesn't have Cartman, Kyle, Stan, or Kenny. But lets see what will happen next.

[The Myst]

Whoops, I saw the Passion was just talked about in the speculation thread.

You're right, Ji-Eun, FG did parody it more than I gave it credit for. I'm having trouble thinking of things both shows made fun of.

Oooh, okay! Take the South Park Halloween episode with KORN. They spent the whole episode making fun of Scooby Doo-type cartoons. They made a plot out of it. When Family Guy referenced Scooby Doo, it was one quick cutaway that had nothing to do with the episode (wasn't Peter watching it on TV?). Trey and Matt don't like being compared to Family Guy because they work harder to incorporate the jokes into the story.

Yeah but I think devoting a whole episode to a concept like that is a waste. It's taking a joke and running it into the ground. Family Guy's quick reference to it with Peter wondering what they were up to while TV was off the air was funny because it was quick and the gang used vulgar language, something that was surprising for those characters. Had that cut-away gone on for like five minutes or, god forbid, had it been reworked to be part of the entire episode, it would've sucked. Family Guy's parodies work because they don't run them into the ground by basing entire episodes on them.

[Duke]

Family Guy's quick reference to it with Peter wondering what they were up to while TV was off the air was funny because it was quick and the gang used vulgar language, something that was surprising for those characters.
Considering the "classic cartoon characters curse" joke has been run into the ground ever since 1998, it's not all that surprising.

[The Myst]

Considering the "classic cartoon characters curse" joke has been run into the ground ever since 1998, it's not all that surprising.

Better than 22 minutes of it. Plus, that episode first aired in early 1999.

[Zyzzybalubah]

The message seemed pretty standard for South Park. It was mainly "censorship sucks" mixed with just a bit of FG parody/mocking for good measure (really, considering they hate the show they weren't bad at all).

I thought it was pretty meh, myself. Cartman's betrayal was too obvious and the message seemed a bit sledgehammered in. And I liked the last two weeks.

Kind of how I was. For me it was middle leaning towards good. When they showed Family Guy and had the other country speak on it, that stuff was funny. The head in sand crap was lame and pretty much just shows how they're like Family Guy with recyclable plots (something happens, town goes against/emulates it, riddiculous happening occurs.) I guess I'll have to watch part 2 next week, wasn't too bad though definitely better than the weak episode last week.

[Jon Hanson]

Here's my question, since when has Cartman been the voice of Matt and Trey? I'm not the biggest SP fan, but it's always seemed like eh's been the jerk, so I don't understand how when he goes on ranting about FG people assume his feelings are Matt and Trey's.

[GagaMan]

Maybe it's kind of like how Matt Groeneig (sp?) said years back that the character in the Simpson’s who he thought he was most like was Bart, but that slowly changed to Homer. Maybe Try and Matt feel they can relate more to Cartman nowadays.

Anyway, I saw a clip of the episode on You Tube (the clip of which has since been pulled off), and I must admit as much as I quite like Family Guy as well, they got it spot on how they do things in that cartoon.

[dth1971]

I hope the second part of the South Park episode "Cartoon Wars" (call it "Cartoon Wars II - Cartman Strikes Back") airs on Comedy Central next week so we can find out if Cartman saves the day to avert the airing of that Family Guy episode before it reeks real havoc and how Cartman and Kyle settle their grudge and how the South Park citizens get their heads out the sand if everything is saved.

[Hyper Shadow X]

So how long before Family Guy does something like this to Soth Park?

[Ackar]

3/5 for this one. Mostly for the parody of FG cutaways (and the lame-ass way they introduce them). I'm hoping they don't pull another "Not Without My Anus" and fake out.
Since the Chef episode pushed these episodes back a week, this would have been on schedule for being on the anniversary of Not Without My Anus. :evil:

[Ultra Mike]

Here's my question, since when has Cartman been the voice of Matt and Trey? I'm not the biggest SP fan, but it's always seemed like eh's been the jerk, so I don't understand how when he goes on ranting about FG people assume his feelings are Matt and Trey's.

Normally he isn't. Cartman's views due to they're evil and self centered and basically ignorant philophsies are against Matt and Trey's. However Cartman is the "dark side" of the two and occasionally his views will be on they're side. Like Cartman's hatred of hippies in "Die Hippie Die" are probably like Matt and Trey's and Cartman's treatment of Osama in "Osama Bin Ladden Has Farty Pants" may be how Matt and Trey felt about him. So for like once a season an episode will have Matt and Trey speaking through Cartman instead of Stan or Kyle. Since they're feelings of hatred for South Park would make more sense coming from Cartman then Stan or Kyle anyway.


So how long before Family Guy does something like this to Soth Park?

Well it's dependent. Since Family Guy does operate in cutaway style they can sometimes remake jokes before the episode airs faster then regular animated shows (see the Katrina joke in "Fat Guy Strangler"). I'd imagine that by at least some summer episode they'd have a joke about South Park of some sort.

[Crash]

Aw, a bit of pre-airdate misdirection has some fans pissed off....

I laughed a lot during this. Yes, Cartman's rant was funny (I find Family Guy amusing--in small doses. Due mostly to the reasons Cartman stated.) but the 'cartoon wars' really did deserve to be the main thrust of the show. I mean, killing people over cartoons? South Park has roasted groups for far smaller absurtities than that. Some excellent 'animation' on the bike chase, a few cracks at the fourth wall, and Butter's Dad making his big speach, only to be summarrily dismissed...All to real, it seems...

All in all, a pretty good later-season episode. Could have easilly been harsher, but still pretty good.

[Luna]

I actually liked this episode(though my favorite from this season so far is "The Return of Chef")....I thought it was better that they didn't spend the whole episode bashing Family Guy(though they didn't really...that's how the show is...)

I liked...

Randy's line: "If we wake up tomorrow,we'll know we're not dead"

Gerald smashing the TV after finding Kyle watching Family Guy

Real news footage with fake subtitles

The whole town burying their heads in sand to avoid seeing Mohammed on Family Guy

Cartman's rant on how his humor is NOTHING like Family Guy's

The Cartman/Kyle big wheel chase

The cliffhanger ending(Please let there actually be a part two!!!...I think it'd be funny if it turns out the Family Guy writers are the Crab people or someting)...

[Wussycat]

Even without the Family Guy bashing this still would have sucked. 0/10

P.S. I bet £1,000,000 that it's never concluded and everything is back to normal in the next episode.

[John Pannozzi]

I hope the FG writers aren't crab people. I love the crab people but I don't want to see them again for a while.

[VCXZX]

After watching this episode again, I;m curious as to who did the FG voices. I know Trey/Matt did Stewie and/or Chris but the other voices are a mystery. Like whoever did Peter was great, but it sounded a lot like the guy who does the Fred Flintstone voice nowadays. Based on the credits it must have been additional SP writers doing the voices.

[Jazman]

Seth was credited?

Can Anyone confirm that?

[peacebyanymeans]

There was just a commercial for part two (it only used part one clips but said part two would air).

[Conan-san]

Cool, I want to see Cartman get slaped around by Kyle.

And has no one concidered that the Super Adventure Club might be behind "family guy"?
And no, I have no idea why a bunch of child molesters would provoke a Jihad but there you go.

[Cobblepot1982]

WOW, what an episode!

The upcoming fight between Kyle and Cartman- that's like ten years in the making!

Mr. Stotch, of ALL people, being the voice of reason for once in an episode.

My favorite part had to have been the live footage of Zawihiri, with the fake subtitles.

I loved how they satirized the whole controversy over the Muslim cartoons. And they weren't just satirizing the riots it caused- they were also making fun of how most publications in this country are afraid to exercise the right to freedom of speech- same with the stores carrying the publications- and won't let them see the light of day, with a few exceptions. I think they did a great job of illustrating that. And if anyone, I could easily see South Park pointing that out.

BTW, did anyone else OTHER than I, notice the reference they made to Terminator 2? That scene where Kyle's having the dream about the bombs going off, due to the cartoon being shown- and Ike and Kyle get caught in the explosion, and you see the flesh melting off their bodies...that was a direct reference to a scene from Terminator 2, where Sarah Connor is daydreaming about the war with the machines beginning- she runs to this fence, near where kids are playing on the swings, only to see the explosion go off- and the last part of that scene shows her tugging on the fence...as a skeleton.

Hehe...guess ya gotta be a movie buff to remem'er something like that :D

[VCXZX]

Seth was credited?

Can Anyone confirm that?

I meant Trey/Matt. Sorry for the confusion.

[90'sCartoonMan]

Yeah but I think devoting a whole episode to a concept like that is a waste. It's taking a joke and running it into the ground. Family Guy's quick reference to it with Peter wondering what they were up to while TV was off the air was funny because it was quick and the gang used vulgar language, something that was surprising for those characters. Had that cut-away gone on for like five minutes or, god forbid, had it been reworked to be part of the entire episode, it would've sucked. Family Guy's parodies work because they don't run them into the ground by basing entire episodes on them.

Guess it's all a matter of taste. I think both South Park and Family Guy are funny. But their sense of humor is different. And I do sorta agree that South Park puts more effort to incorporate their jokes into a larger plot.

[auto]

I meant Trey/Matt. Sorry for the confusion.
from what I had recorded, here are the voice actors for that episode http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/autoacat/creds.jpg

[VCXZX]

Kyle has voiced characters before for various episodes.

I'm guessing the other male voices are people on staff since Trey and Matt tend to use staff voices in some episodes.

[John Pannozzi]

BTW, did anyone else OTHER than I, notice the reference they made to Terminator 2? That scene where Kyle's having the dream about the bombs going off, due to the cartoon being shown- and Ike and Kyle get caught in the explosion, and you see the flesh melting off their bodies...that was a direct reference to a scene from Terminator 2, where Sarah Connor is daydreaming about the war with the machines beginning- she runs to this fence, near where kids are playing on the swings, only to see the explosion go off- and the last part of that scene shows her tugging on the fence...as a skeleton.

Hehe...guess ya gotta be a movie buff to remem'er something like that :D

I didn't notice, even though I watched T2 for the first time about a week ago (or maybe earlier). I just wanna say that scene in episode of Ike and Kyle's deaths REALLY disturbed me.

[dth1971]

So they didn't use the real Family Guy cast voices and they had impersonators doing the voices of the Family Guy characters? The impersonator voices may do the same fake Family Guy voices in the next South Park episode if the "Cartoon Wars Episode 2" episode airs.

[Lonestarr]

Not the greatest thing since sliced bread, but pretty good. Loved Cartman's direct-to-camera ranting and the interview with the Muslim leader. Wasn't crazy about the disaster movie parody being used again, but I did like Ms. Garrison's reaction to the couple where the wife had to sacrifice herself.

Did anyone else notice the Team America music over the "On the Next Episode" montage?

[Ultra Mike]

So they didn't use the real Family Guy cast voices and they had impersonators doing the voices of the Family Guy characters? The impersonator voices may do the same fake Family Guy voices in the next South Park episode if the "Cartoon Wars Episode 2" episode airs.

I really doubt that they would use the Family Guy VA cast for this.

1. Main reason is that there's no way anyone on FG would want to be part of an SP parody. (Espically MacFarlane, show creator and voice of a majority of the main male characters)

2. South park has a thing about not using many VAs from different shows. I mean besides Mona Marshall, who else works on other shows (espically cartoons) besides South Park?

And apparently according to an ad in Comedy Central there will be a Cartoon Wars 2. They should have whoever did the peter/brian voice do a good Seth MacFarlane parody if they make him appear along with the writing staff.

[Nin-Nin69]

First and formost why is everyone making up this hype saying "no there won't be another episode." Anyone who is still crying over that could you please shut up. Check CC's site. There will be another episode. We're past April 1st and Matt and Trey have been wanting to do something against FG for a long time. Otherwise it would've pointless for them to put all of that time into the first episode compared to their average set of episodes.

[Happy]

Did I already comment on this? Oh well here it goes anyways. This episode had hits and misses. And I am too lazy to write paragraphs so here's a list:

Hits:

The censorship stuff- Not all of it, I am specificly refering to them using Family Guy to reference they, themselves being censored. It was really well done and knocking people over the head with it.

That bomb scene dream- If I remember correctly this was a spoof of Terminator II or something. Ofcourse it actually worked on its own, Ike's face being burned off just did it for me.

Zaqari complaining about Family Guy- It was funny, not much more to say.

Some of the little things- I think the general rule in the past is that if a South Park joke goes on for less than a minute it will porbably be funny. The censored by FOX boxes got a chuckle out of me. (partly because it was so absurd looking and partly becuase they do that on some of UPN's syndicated South Park) The Mr. President stuff was also a cheap joke but it made me laugh unlike...

Misses:

Family Guy parody- Don't get me wrong, the flashbacks were dead on, however the voices and nonflashback dialogue weren't at all similar. I didn't expect them to get real actors or anything but it really didn't seem right at all.

Action movie crap- Didn't they just make fun of action movies in the last 20 episodes? We get it already. Matt and Trey need to cut that crap out becuase it stopped being funny along time ago.

Bury their head in the sand- One of the things that I dislike about South Park is that when M&T can't come up with enough jokes for an episode they decide to just pick a funny phrase and repeat it thirty times. Yes guys, we got the joke the first time.

I think their parody was off- You know what, even though Cartman's reasons were just lies to get Family Guy cancelled his arguements did make sense. Dumbing down or ignoring your opponents views makes me mad but normally I'd let it slide since that is what most people who debate with comedy do. Except in this case, didn't burrying our heads in the sand actually work? American papers held off publishing the toon until most the rest of West had already did it and our companies escaped boycotts and our embassies weren't destroyed.

[dth1971]

I really doubt that they would use the Family Guy VA cast for this.



2. South park has a thing about not using many VAs from different shows. I mean besides Mona Marshall, who else works on other shows (espically cartoons) besides South Park?

And apparently according to an ad in Comedy Central there will be a Cartoon Wars 2. They should have whoever did the peter/brian voice do a good Seth MacFarlane parody if they make him appear along with the writing staff.

Actually, you didn't mention the late Mary Kay Bergman supplied cartoon voices for other shows besides South Park. And I wonder if Issac Hayes will ever voice another cartoon in the future after his Chef character was killed off and reborn as a Darth Vader parody.

[Cobblepot1982]

Did I already comment on this? Oh well here it goes anyways. This episode had hits and misses. And I am too lazy to write paragraphs so here's a list:

Hits:

The censorship stuff- Not all of it, I am specificly refering to them using Family Guy to reference they, themselves being censored. It was really well done and knocking people over the head with it.

That bomb scene dream- If I remember correctly this was a spoof of Terminator II or something. Ofcourse it actually worked on its own, Ike's face being burned off just did it for me.

Zaqari complaining about Family Guy- It was funny, not much more to say.

Some of the little things- I think the general rule in the past is that if a South Park joke goes on for less than a minute it will porbably be funny. The censored by FOX boxes got a chuckle out of me. (partly because it was so absurd looking and partly becuase they do that on some of UPN's syndicated South Park) The Mr. President stuff was also a cheap joke but it made me laugh unlike...

Misses:

Family Guy parody- Don't get me wrong, the flashbacks were dead on, however the voices and nonflashback dialogue weren't at all similar. I didn't expect them to get real actors or anything but it really didn't seem right at all.

Action movie crap- Didn't they just make fun of action movies in the last 20 episodes? We get it already. Matt and Trey need to cut that crap out becuase it stopped being funny along time ago.

Bury their head in the sand- One of the things that I dislike about South Park is that when M&T can't come up with enough jokes for an episode they decide to just pick a funny phrase and repeat it thirty times. Yes guys, we got the joke the first time.

I think their parody was off- You know what, even though Cartman's reasons were just lies to get Family Guy cancelled his arguements did make sense. Dumbing down or ignoring your opponents views makes me mad but normally I'd let it slide since that is what most people who debate with comedy do. Except in this case, didn't burrying our heads in the sand actually work? American papers held off publishing the toon until most the rest of West had already did it and our companies escaped boycotts and our embassies weren't destroyed.

No, no,....you're so right...our embassies weren't destroyed...well, not THIS time...but the terrorists had no problems finding reasons to destroy them back in the '90s, BEFORE 9/11 happened.....

[Happy]

The embassy bombings and the cartoon riots were not tied together. One was a small group of organized fanatics acting on a well detailed and meticulously well designed plan and the other was an impromtu group of average citizens who were so pissed off they decided to go out and kill some Danes. So yeah, not pissing off average citizens is totally different from letting the terrorists win. But whatever, I've grown tired of political arguements and they're not allowed here anyways so I'm done.

[Ultra Mike]

Actually, you didn't mention the late Mary Kay Bergman supplied cartoon voices for other shows besides South Park. And I wonder if Issac Hayes will ever voice another cartoon in the future after his Chef character was killed off and reborn as a Darth Vader parody.

Ah yeah that's true, although I was mainly talking about living voice actors since I know Mary Kay did other voices (like the original voice of Timmy Turner for Fairly Oddparents). I also kind of doubt that unless part of some positive Scinetologist cartoon, Issac Hayes will ever VA in another cartoon.

[Han Ji-Eun]

Adult Swim just threw the first shot back at SP, and they kinda hit the nail on the head.

[Jazman]

I must have missed it. What did they say?

[Han Ji-Eun]

I must have missed it. What did they say?

The Family Guy episode of South Park was brilliant

[scratch that]

The Family Guy episode of South Park was brilliant

[marketing]


End Quote.

[Seiya]

This episode was awosme. i loved it. 10/10