Animated Daredevil storylines

[The Overlord]

If a Daredevil cartoon was made, what storylines should it try and include? Also how mature should thestories be in their content?

[Wonderwall]

Ah Daredevil, daredevil what would someone do with DD. Hes a complex character to do because hes either seen as an unknown or a spider man(60s - 70s ) or batman(80s - 90s ) rip off. Id like it to be a sort of dark tone but I think Daredevil neds a sort of dry humor, not to dry or else he becomes deadpan like Batman, but he can't be too witty or else again Spider Man territory. As for stories, I think you need to just go a little loose so a villain of the week for the first season would be fine as long as it has a nice pay off like the Savage Time and less like The Cauldron.

[The Overlord]

Ah Daredevil, daredevil what would someone do with DD. Hes a complex character to do because hes either seen as an unknown or a spider man(60s - 70s ) or batman(80s - 90s ) rip off. Id like it to be a sort of dark tone but I think Daredevil neds a sort of dry humor, not to dry or else he becomes deadpan like Batman, but he can't be too witty or else again Spider Man territory. As for stories, I think you need to just go a little loose so a villain of the week for the first season would be fine as long as it has a nice pay off like the Savage Time and less like The Cauldron.

I guess the question is could they adapt stories like Born Again, now putting aside censorship issues like drug use and death in that story, kids wouldn't like it, because Matt appears in civilian clothes for the most part, not in costume.

[JesseCuster]

If the show were more adult oriented. Meaning they tell more complex stories (and not just a bunch of T&A), then of course something like born again or the great stories with Bullseye and Typhoid Mary would all be great.

The majority of really good Daredevil runs all involved themes that would shock kids too much.

Kevin Smith's run had murder and a number of religious tones.
Frank Miller made Bullseye and Elektra into cold-blooded killers.

Although, I think that the most recent storylines (Hardcore, Golden Age, King of Hell's Kitchen, etc.) could play well with either an adult or a kid's audience.

[Stu]

I honestly think Daredevil would adapt better to live action television rather than an animated series. With animation the way it is right now, there's very little chance of us getting the Daredevil show we're wanting to see. The series could be done if it was allowed to push the edge in the vein of Batman: The Animated Series, but the chances of that happening in this day and age aren't really all that likely.

The networks like it when they thier audience can relate to kids, hence why a lot of them are made younger, or worse, sent to high school. Who wants to relate to a blind man, who's permantly miserable because practically everyone he cares for has been killed?

With Blade currently in the works for a live action show, I could Daredevil possibly working if the show is successful enough. Most of Daredevil's rouges work better out of costume, if they even have one.

No question about it though, Daredevil has the potential to be one of the greatest cartoons ever, a chance to see something we've never seen before in a cartoon. It's a shame none of the networks have the balls to attempt to pull it off, pardon my frankness.

[ifthismeansevos]

The networks like it when they thier audience can relate to kids, hence why a lot of them are made younger, or worse, sent to high school. Who wants to relate to a blind man, who's permantly miserable because practically everyone he cares for has been killed?



About the first sentense I liked the X-men in highschool but certainly I don't want the man without fear in highschool that seems stupid, maybe the first season could be that graphic novel Man without fear but I can't go no further unfortunately I never read that one.
And about the second one. It's not awesome how funny the tragic can be?

[The Overlord]

About the first sentense I liked the X-men in highschool but certainly I don't want the man without fear in highschool that seems stupid, maybe the first season could be that graphic novel Man without fear but I can't go no further unfortunately I never read that one.
And about the second one. It's not awesome how funny the tragic can be?

Miller's Man Without Fear series? That's really not suitable for kids.

[Palin Dromos]

I've been mulling over a DD animated series for a few months now. I think the multiple dimensions of the character really work in favor of an animated series.- He's blind, he's a lawyer, He's a superhero, he's a tortured catholic, his relationships are always torrid- there' s just so much dichotomy and so many levels.

If I were actually pitching a series I'd consider using the film as a spring board- (I realize the film has both it's detractors and supporters) but I like the options that it gives in terms of already established history with the 3 key villains, Kingpin, Bullseye, and Elektra.

I'd start the season with Kingpin winning an appeal and getting out of jail. And over the course of the following episodes have DD continuing to try and bring him down again. (just as a background arc usually)

A couple things I'd want to see also would be DD vs. Gladiator, and pull from Millers run where DD then tries to rehabilitate Gladiator as Matt Murdock.

I'd want to see a balance between the action and the courtroom drama. Maybe like an animated Law & Order, look at the differences between fighting crime on the streets and in the courtroom.

If network Saturday morning cartoons would be interested I think it could be done in that venue. It could definitely be both fun and informative, analyzing issues of justice, class, disability, and others; though CN is probably a more realistic possibility.

Producing an Animated DD series would be a dream job for me.

Ciao,
Palin Dromos

[Spider-Man]

Before they try to adapt any storylines I'm just hoping they'd strike the right tone with the series. You could adapt the best Daredevil stories around but if the series isn't working than the stories won't either. The first season of Fantastic Four: The Animated Series is proof of that. But I guess this thread is going ont he assumption that the tone would be nailed perfectly.

The problem is alot of Daredevil's stories wouldn't translate to a regular cartoon unless it was made for the older crowd like many people have figured out. You can't do "Born Again" and have a coked out Karen Page sell Daredevil's identity for a hit. Kevin Smith's storyline probably couldn't translate without some major revamps either. I suppose these stories could be done but there'd have to be some major changes to them and that would take alot away from the stories. It would be a gutsy series but probably too much of a risk for any network to go with. A shame too.

[Hypestyle]

... Well-- I'm hoping that Daredevil ends up being on the next wave of those Marvel/Lions' Gate animated films.. It's way past time..

[The Overlord]

Before they try to adapt any storylines I'm just hoping they'd strike the right tone with the series. You could adapt the best Daredevil stories around but if the series isn't working than the stories won't either. The first season of Fantastic Four: The Animated Series is proof of that. But I guess this thread is going ont he assumption that the tone would be nailed perfectly.

The problem is alot of Daredevil's stories wouldn't translate to a regular cartoon unless it was made for the older crowd like many people have figured out. You can't do "Born Again" and have a coked out Karen Page sell Daredevil's identity for a hit. Kevin Smith's storyline probably couldn't translate without some major revamps either. I suppose these stories could be done but there'd have to be some major changes to them and that would take alot away from the stories. It would be a gutsy series but probably too much of a risk for any network to go with. A shame too.

But I'm not just asking what stories should be adaopted, I'm also asking how the Daredevil mythos should be adapted for animation.

[Kid Eternity]

Well the basics should remain if there's a DD cartoon. A crusading lawyer by day and slightless swashbuckler at night. With those two elements, you have some stories right there. Also, you don't have to adapt Miller, Bendis, Nocetti's or Chichester's stories verbatim.

Personally, I'd prefer new storylines just for the show. It'll be good to use the comic as a point of reference, but new storylines is the way to go. I say the mandate should be for the producers to come up with original stories. Some could be continuing arcs and others could be self-contained ones.

Also, to aim it at kids, the message should be more in the lines of overcoming obstacles and promoting tolerance for the disabled.

[The Overlord]

Well the basics should remain if there's a DD cartoon. A crusading lawyer by day and slightless swashbuckler at night. With those two elements, you have some stories right there. Also, you don't have to adapt Miller, Bendis, Nocetti's or Chichester's stories verbatim.

Personally, I'd prefer new storylines just for the show. It'll be good to use the comic as a point of reference, but new storylines is the way to go. I say the mandate should be for the producers to come up with original stories. Some could be continuing arcs and others could be self-contained ones.

Also, to aim it at kids, the message should be more in the lines of overcoming obstacles and promoting tolerance for the visually imparied.

But what should the tone be of the series, Silver age DD or post Miller DD. Personally i never cared for silver age DD, one of the weakest silver age Marvel titles around, so frankly I hope that wouldn't be the tone of the show.

[Spider-Man]

But I'm not just asking what stories should be adaopted, I'm also asking how the Daredevil mythos should be adapted for animation.
I gotcha now. It's just that usually whenever talks of a new series comes about everyone immediately jumps into stories they'd like to adapt. I'm not saying that could not be done here it's just that Daredevil has always been one of Marvel's more mature and darker characters. Kid Eternity has the right idea when striking the series at least from the barebones but I could see this show being heavily influenced by The New Batman Adventures in tones. The lightness is there but it's also a pretty dark and intense show.

[Kid Eternity]

But what should the tone be of the series, Silver age DD or post Miller DD. Personally i never cared for silver age DD, one of the weakest silver age Marvel titles around, so frankly I hope that wouldn't be the tone of the show.

That's a good question. Daredevil definitely isn't a lighthearted hero. I would go for a more gritty and noirish approach. The producers should use bits and pieces from different runs of DD to come up with something new. Here are some villians that should be used for the animated series.

Mister Hyde----- I see him as the Two-Face/Bane of the series. He's a driven demented scientist in his regular identity of Calvin Zabo. When he's Hyde, he's pure personification of rage, brute strength, aggression and evil. Hyde is also not your typical dumb monster. He is a cold, creepy and calculating creature with the scientific intellect of his alter-ego, but his anger and arrogance often clouds his smarts thus leading to defeats by Daredevil. I see Hyde as Daredevil's recurring foe.

Another weakness of Hyde is his dependency of the formula that transforms him.

Purple Man---This villian will serve as Daredevil's Joker. Unlike other foes, Purple Man isn't the world dominating type. He just wants to plunder and create havoc for kicks. Where Daredevil is order, Purple Man is chaos.

Typhoid Mary--- She's the female version Hyde without the muscles, strength and grimace. In the animated continuity she would be Calvin Zabo's lab assistant who takes his formula and surprisingly becomes a stunning beauty who's just a shrewd and deadly as Hyde. She mainly uses her sex appeal to ensare Daredevil. When he starts resisting, Typhoid Mary unleashes her pyrokinetic abilities and weapons on her foe. Mary will serve as D.D.'s Catwoman/Poison Ivy.

Gladiator---A supervillian who poses as a hero in order to drive away rival crimelords and takeover Hell's Kitchen for himself. It isn't before DD hatches wind of his scheme and the two are at odds.

The Owl--- The leader of a vicious criminal organization which plans to expand in the Hell Kitchen area. Under his employ are Bullet, Bullseye, Bushwhacker and The Ani-Men. The Owl doesn't do much direct fighting with Daredevil. He's pretty much under the guise of a legit businessman and runs things from behind the scenes. The Owl will serve as Daredevil's Penguin.


These are some examples of villians I would use. I haven't worked Kingpin in there yet, but eventually he'll show up. I wanted to make Owl the top crime boss for a change. It's always good to start fresh.

[ifthismeansevos]

That's a good question. Daredevil definitely isn't a lighthearted hero. I would go for a more gritty and noirish approach. The producers should use bits and pieces from different runs of DD to come up with something new. Here are some villians that should be used for the animated series.

Mister Hyde----- I see him as the Two-Face/Bane of the series. He's a driven demented scientist in his regular identity of Calvin Zabo. When he's Hyde, he's pure personification of rage, brute strength, aggression and evil. Hyde is also not your typical dumb monster. He is a cold, creepy and calculating creature with the scientific intellect of his alter-ego, but his anger and arrogance often clouds his smarts thus leading to defeats by Daredevil. I see Hyde as Daredevil's recurring foe.

Another weakness of Hyde is his dependency of the formula that transforms him.

Purple Man---This villian will serve as Daredevil's Joker. Unlike other foes, Purple Man isn't the world dominating type. He just wants to plunder and create havoc for kicks. Where Daredevil is order, Purple Man is chaos.

Typhoid Mary--- She's the female version Hyde without the muscles, strength and grimace. In the animated continuity she would be Calvin Zabo's lab assistant who takes his formula and surprisingly becomes a stunning beauty who's just a shrewd and deadly as Hyde. She mainly uses her sex appeal to ensare Daredevil. When he starts resisting, Typhoid Mary unleashes her pyrokinetic abilities and weapons on her foe. Mary will serve as D.D.'s Catwoman/Poison Ivy.

Gladiator---A supervillian who poses as a hero in order to drive away rival crimelords and takeover Hell's Kitchen for himself. It isn't before DD hatches wind of his scheme and the two are at odds.

The Owl--- The leader of a vicious criminal organization which plans to expand in the Hell Kitchen area. Under his employ are Bullet, Bullseye, Bushwhacker and The Ani-Men. The Owl doesn't do much direct fighting with Daredevil. He's pretty much under the guise of a legit businessman and runs things from behind the scenes. The Owl will serve as Daredevil's Penguin.


These are some examples of villians I would use. I haven't worked Kingpin in there yet, but eventually he'll show up. I wanted to make Owl the top crime boss for a change. It's always good to start fresh.
I`m afraid that could be contraproducent for The man without fear. You are relating the villains to those of Batman. So everyone will stand against the cartoon (Saying is a two cents copyu of Batman TAS) And how can you blame them? We have problems when we talk about the man without fear. I think they need just 2 or 3 animated movies and if they can get Frank or Kevin to write one that's good. No for childrens that's for sure!

[The Overlord]

I`m afraid that could be contraproducent for The man without fear. You are relating the villains to those of Batman. So everyone will stand against the cartoon (Saying is a two cents copyu of Batman TAS) And how can you blame them? We have problems when we talk about the man without fear. I think they need just 2 or 3 animated movies and if they can get Frank or Kevin to write one that's good. No for childrens that's for sure!

Perhaps, perhaps not. Any way what story ideas should be used for a DTV, you can't just go into a story like "Born Again" with no setup of the characters. Would the first movie be an origin story and if so would it be based on "Man Without Fear" or "DD: Yellow" or a combo of both?

[Wonderwall]

Regardless of what tone or content of an animated Daredevil, there must be one villain who is recurring or makes cameos....The Stiltman:D .

[Kid Eternity]

I`m afraid that could be contraproducent for The man without fear. You are relating the villains to those of Batman. So everyone will stand against the cartoon (Saying is a two cents copyu of Batman TAS) And how can you blame them? We have problems when we talk about the man without fear. I think they need just 2 or 3 animated movies and if they can get Frank or Kevin to write one that's good. No for childrens that's for sure!

The reason I've done that was for the posters who may not be familiar with Daredevil's rogues. Therefore I thought I draw parallels to characters they may know from elsewhere. In TV writers and producers are always contrasting comparing projects to established ones in order to sell it to the network.

Also, what's wrong with DD being an all ages show? Hell, Justice League is proof that you can incorporate different ideas without alienating one segment of the audience. If they did that with Justice League, they could do the same thing with Daredevil.

[The Overlord]

That's a good question. Daredevil definitely isn't a lighthearted hero. I would go for a more gritty and noirish approach. The producers should use bits and pieces from different runs of DD to come up with something new. Here are some villians that should be used for the animated series.

Mister Hyde----- I see him as the Two-Face/Bane of the series. He's a driven demented scientist in his regular identity of Calvin Zabo. When he's Hyde, he's pure personification of rage, brute strength, aggression and evil. Hyde is also not your typical dumb monster. He is a cold, creepy and calculating creature with the scientific intellect of his alter-ego, but his anger and arrogance often clouds his smarts thus leading to defeats by Daredevil. I see Hyde as Daredevil's recurring foe.

Another weakness of Hyde is his dependency of the formula that transforms him.

Purple Man---This villian will serve as Daredevil's Joker. Unlike other foes, Purple Man isn't the world dominating type. He just wants to plunder and create havoc for kicks. Where Daredevil is order, Purple Man is chaos.

Typhoid Mary--- She's the female version Hyde without the muscles, strength and grimace. In the animated continuity she would be Calvin Zabo's lab assistant who takes his formula and surprisingly becomes a stunning beauty who's just a shrewd and deadly as Hyde. She mainly uses her sex appeal to ensare Daredevil. When he starts resisting, Typhoid Mary unleashes her pyrokinetic abilities and weapons on her foe. Mary will serve as D.D.'s Catwoman/Poison Ivy.

Gladiator---A supervillian who poses as a hero in order to drive away rival crimelords and takeover Hell's Kitchen for himself. It isn't before DD hatches wind of his scheme and the two are at odds.

The Owl--- The leader of a vicious criminal organization which plans to expand in the Hell Kitchen area. Under his employ are Bullet, Bullseye, Bushwhacker and The Ani-Men. The Owl doesn't do much direct fighting with Daredevil. He's pretty much under the guise of a legit businessman and runs things from behind the scenes. The Owl will serve as Daredevil's Penguin.


These are some examples of villians I would use. I haven't worked Kingpin in there yet, but eventually he'll show up. I wanted to make Owl the top crime boss for a change. It's always good to start fresh.

Interesting ideas, however I think DD fans will be disappointed by Owl being the main villain instead of Kingpin, considering that Kingpin is far more of an arch nemsis than Owl ever was in the comics. Plus Kingpin has a better look than Owl, Owl kinda looks like a foppish version of Wolverine. I think Owl would work better as a rival who tries to take over Kingpin's empire when he thinks Fisk is weakened.

Also I think Gladiator should eventually reform like he did in the comics.

As for Typhoid Mary, I think she should be somewhat of a sympathetic character, perhaps someone born with MPD, abandoned by her parents and put into an asylum, where her hatred at world only grew.

Now there are other villains to consider, Bullseye has alwaysd been important DD villain, though I guess he won't allowed to kill anyone and he may not be allowed to use a gun. I guess Bullseye can get past the censors wsith a little retooling, he doesn't often carry a gun, so that's notr a big deal and as ahitman he can nearly succed in killing a target until DD stops. Someone like Bushwacker would be more tricker, his whole thing is gun, so he might just get ditched.

I'm not sure if Mr. Fear would make the cut. On one hand, the man Without Fear fighting Mr. Fear makes alot of sense and plus one of the Mr. Fear's had a personal grudge against Matt Murdock before he became DD, which could make for some interesting story telling. On the other hand people may just see Mr. Fear as a Scarecrow ripoff and he is a bit of a convoluted character in the comics (there have 4 different Mr. Fears over the years) Mr. Fear would have to be streamlined.

I think the gooofy villains (Stilt-Man, Matador and Leap-Frog) should be added for comedic purposes, lighten the mood a bit. It would be fun if DD spent the first two minutes of an episode punching Matador's lights out as he is trying to rob a 7-11.

[Kid Eternity]

Interesting ideas, however I think DD fans will be disappointed by Owl being the main villain instead of Kingpin, considering that Kingpin is far more of an arch nemsis than Owl ever was in the comics. Plus Kingpin has a better look than Owl, Owl kinda looks like a foppish version of Wolverine. I think Owl would work better as a rival who tries to take over Kingpin's empire when he thinks Fisk is weakened.

Also I think Gladiator should eventually reform like he did in the comics.

As for Typhoid Mary, I think she should be somewhat of a sympathetic character, perhaps someone born with MPD, abandoned by her parents and put into an asylum, where her hatred at world only grew.

Now there are other villains to consider, Bullseye has alwaysd been important DD villain, though I guess he won't allowed to kill anyone and he may not be allowed to use a gun. I guess Bullseye can get past the censors wsith a little retooling, he doesn't often carry a gun, so that's notr a big deal and as ahitman he can nearly succed in killing a target until DD stops. Someone like Bushwacker would be more tricker, his whole thing is gun, so he might just get ditched.

I'm not sure if Mr. Fear would make the cut. On one hand, the man Without Fear fighting Mr. Fear makes alot of sense and plus one of the Mr. Fear's had a personal grudge against Matt Murdock before he became DD, which could make for some interesting story telling. On the other hand people may just see Mr. Fear as a Scarecrow ripoff and he is a bit of a convoluted character in the comics (there have 4 different Mr. Fears over the years) Mr. Fear would have to be streamlined.

I think the gooofy villains (Stilt-Man, Matador and Leap-Frog) should be added for comedic purposes, lighten the mood a bit. It would be fun if DD spent the first two minutes of an episode punching Matador's lights out as he is trying to rob a 7-11.

Have you ever watch the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles series? There able to get away with a lot more stuff for a Saturday morning cartoon. I never thought I would hear the words "death" and "kill" used so loosely. I pictured DD in the same vein but at the same time different. I went with DD other lesser known rogues because people already have certain expectations of Kingpin and whatnot. This thread alone I read countless references to "Born Again" and other storylines that probably wouldn't translate well in an animated setting. So I thought that with a little tweaking here and there D.D.'s lamer villians from the silver age could probably work on the cartoon.

When I came up with those concepts I was picturing each season of DD having a main bad guy. For example, season one could be the Kingpin, season two could probably be The Hand, season three, the Maggia and so forth.

I'm not saying using Leap-Frog or the Masked Matador, but villians like Stilt Man, Owl, Mr Fear, The Jester and whatnot could easily be revamped. As for Bushwhacker, on other cartoons I've watched they're able to use characters with guns, so I don't see him being scratched off the list.

How do you feel about The Hand?

[The Overlord]

Have you ever watch the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles series? There able to get away with a lot more stuff for a Saturday morning cartoon. I never thought I would hear the words "death" and "kill" used so loosely. I pictured DD in the same vein but at the same time different. I went with DD other lesser known rogues because people already have certain expectations of Kingpin and whatnot. This thread alone I read countless references to "Born Again" and other storylines that probably wouldn't translate well in an animated setting. So I thought that with a little tweaking here and there D.D.'s lamer villians from the silver age could probably work on the cartoon.

When I came up with those concepts I was picturing each season of DD having a main bad guy. For example, season one could be the Kingpin, season two could probably be The Hand, season three, the Maggia and so forth.

I'm not saying using Leap-Frog or the Masked Matador, but villians like Stilt Man, Owl, Mr Fear, The Jester and whatnot could easily be revamped. As for Bushwhacker, on other cartoons I've watched they're able to use characters with guns, so I don't see him being scratched off the list.

How do you feel about The Hand?

I don't think your quite getting what I'm saying. I was never against revamping B list villains, that only makes sense. Though good luck revamping Stilt-Man though, the only way Timm could revamp an ultra lame villain like Clock King was to start from scrach and even clocks are better gimmick than stilts. I think joke villains like Stilt-Man, Leap-Frog and Matador to lighten the mood now and again.

I think some of the lame but not uber lame villains can be easily revamped like Man-Bull for example, change him from a generic thug to a mindless but hamrless creature created by the Roxxon corporation, with DD having to protect the so called monsterious "Man-Bull" from the real monsters who created him.

That being said Kingpin should firmly be established as the arch nemsis in the series, he is more impressive than Owl who looks a foppish Wolverine and acts like Penguin clone. Besides in the comics DD has far more history with Kingpin than Owl. Plus Kingpin was able to carry the arch nemsis title through out Spider-Man TAS. Owl should be used as a the Kingpin's rival, someone who will start a gang war with Fisk because he thinks Fisk was become weak, due to Fisk's inability to kill DD. Owl can be a viable villain, just not arch nemsis material. The Hand can carry a season, have slow build up to a final confrontation with them, you can have Kingpin helping DD against the Hand like he did in the comics. That's my opinion anyway.

[Kid Eternity]

I don't think your quite getting what I'm saying. I was never against revamping B list villains, that only makes sense. Though good luck revamping Stilt-Man though, the only way Timm could revamp an ultra lame villain like Clock King was to start from scrach and even clocks are better gimmick than stilts. I think joke villains like Stilt-Man, Leap-Frog and Matador to lighten the mood now and again.

I think some of the lame but not uber lame villains can be easily revamped like Man-Bull for example, change him from a generic thug to a mindless but hamrless creature created by the Roxxon corporation, with DD having to protect the so called monsterious "Man-Bull" from the real monsters who created him.

That being said Kingpin should firmly be established as the arch nemsis in the series, he is more impressive than Owl who looks a foppish Wolverine and acts like Penguin clone. Besides in the comics DD has far more history with Kingpin than Owl. Plus Kingpin was able to carry the arch nemsis title through out Spider-Man TAS. Owl should be used as a the Kingpin's rival, someone who will start a gang war with Fisk because he thinks Fisk was become weak, due to Fisk's inability to kill DD. Owl can be a viable villain, just not arch nemsis material. The Hand can carry a season, have slow build up to a final confrontation with them, you can have Kingpin helping DD against the Hand like he did in the comics. That's my opinion anyway.

I had a chance to read D.D.'s profile on another website and the Kingpin didn't become his archnemesis until Frank Miller's run on the book. When Frank Miller came along we seen less and less of DD's rogues from the silver age. He also fought Owl here and there during that run but other than that the Owl was used sporadically.

I had chance to think of some stories I would like to see adapted on the cartoon. The Daredevil year one mini I wouldn't mind seeing done in a major way. There's also a self-contained story I enjoyed years back that introduced a new villian called Bengal. He was an assassin of Asian descent who hunted the platoon that was responsible for destroying his village.

A series of stories revolving around the Mutant Growth Hormone drug would be cool. This is where Mr Hyde can come in. In his persona as Dr. Calvin Zabo he can be the chief manufacter of the drug with the Kingpin as his financial backer.

Finally, I would like to see Matt Murdoch as Kingpin storyline adapted for animation.

I like your idea about a Kingpin/Owl gang war. I would have Kingpin's son Richard playing both sides against each other so he can take control of all the illicit businesses for himself. I see Richard Fisk and the Wilson Fisk dynamic being similiar to Lionel and Lex Luthor on Smallville.

[Spider-Man]

It sounds like Daredevil is the kind of show that would really work with season long story arcs like what the later seasons of Spider-Man: The Animated Series and even Justice League Unlimited did. I think that would easily help in getting some of the more longer storylines played out right plus it would make it easier to adapt other stories if they ever planned on it.

[Stu]

I think that the media outing secret identity of Daredevil would make for a sensational season long storyarc. A chance to see something really different in an animated television series. If a Daredevil series is ever considered, they would be foolish to not look at the recent run by Bendis to see how well the character works with a little tinkering.

[The Overlord]

I had a chance to read D.D.'s profile on another website and the Kingpin didn't become his archnemesis until Frank Miller's run on the book. When Frank Miller came along we seen less and less of DD's rogues from the silver age. He also fought Owl here and there during that run but other than that the Owl was used sporadically.

I had chance to think of some stories I would like to see adapted on the cartoon. The Daredevil year one mini I wouldn't mind seeing done in a major way. There's also a self-contained story I enjoyed years back that introduced a new villian called Bengal. He was an assassin of Asian descent who hunted the platoon that was responsible for destroying his village.

A series of stories revolving around the Mutant Growth Hormone drug would be cool. This is where Mr Hyde can come in. In his persona as Dr. Calvin Zabo he can be the chief manufacter of the drug with the Kingpin as his financial backer.

Finally, I would like to see Matt Murdoch as Kingpin storyline adapted for animation.

I like your idea about a Kingpin/Owl gang war. I would have Kingpin's son Richard playing both sides against each other so he can take control of all the illicit businesses for himself. I see Richard Fisk and the Wilson Fisk dynamic being similiar to Lionel and Lex Luthor on Smallville.

Which year one mini are you talking about, DD: Yellow or Man Without Fear? Those are two different minis dealing with the same subject and some of the subject matter wouuld have to be changed (Kingpin running a child porn ring like he did in "Man Without Fear" is not suitible for Sat morning).

As for Kingpin let's comapre how many DD comics he and Owl appeared in :

Kingpin170-172, 174-175, 177-181, 185-186, 188, 190, 194, 196, 200, 206, 210-213, 216, 227-231, 233, 248, 251, 253-257, 259, 260*, 261, 263, 284*, 287-300, 307-309, 315, 317*, 319*, 325-326, 333, 335, 337-342, 375-380
(v.2) 1/2, 6-7, 9-10, 13-15, 18, 21c, 22, 26-27, 29, 45-48, 50-53, 65
Owl 3, 6*, 12*, 20-22, 80-81, 116-117, 144-145, 264, 301-303, 347* (v.2) 1/2*, 41-42, 44-45

As you can see, even though Kingpin only became a DD villain in the Miller years, he still has made far more appearances in DD comics than Owl has, who has used somewhat sparingly even in the Silver Age, which is one reason Kingpin is more of arch nemsis for DD than Owl. Besides having Owl as the top crime boss in NYC and then Kingpin makes them seem interchangible and thus less interesting. That's why Owl would work better as Kingpin's rival than the top boss, Kingpin would be calm, cool and collected most of the time, while Owl would be a rage filled maniac and far more willing to engage in wanton violence. So even though their both crime bosses, they would have clashing personalities and styles, Kingpin representing order and Owl representing choas. Thus putting DD in a tough position, support the status quo and allow the man he hates to remain in power or allow his hated enemy to overthrown and possiblely replaced with an even greater evil.


I think that the media outing secret identity of Daredevil would make for a sensational season long storyarc. A chance to see something really different in an animated television series. If a Daredevil series is ever considered, they would be foolish to not look at the recent run by Bendis to see how well the character works with a little tinkering.

DD's outing worked in the comics because it had 40 years of history behind it, for it to work on a cartoon it would have to be done in the forth season at the earliest, otherwise people wouldn't care about DD being outted.

[Stu]

You make a good point, but the general realisation behind pre-Miller Daredevil is that a lot of it isn't very good. I don't think Daredevil works as a swashbuckelry character - it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that a blind man who lost his Father to crime lords and small time hoods jokes around whilst fighting people dressed up as Court Jesters. Daredevil should be hard hitting, in my opinion - he's far more entertaining this way. I didn't really care for his appearance in the Fantastic Four cartoon too much because of this - he comes across as a poor man's Spider-Man, to quote Frank Miller.

A lot of Daredevil simply couldn't be done in a cartoon. I highly doubt stuff like the anti-Christ aspects of Guardian Devil would be allowed in the show. However, I still think it could be done justice. As Spider-Man mentioned, something similar in tone to The New Batman Adventures could work.

[Kid Eternity]

Which year one mini are you talking about, DD: Yellow or Man Without Fear? Those are two different minis dealing with the same subject and some of the subject matter wouuld have to be changed (Kingpin running a child porn ring like he did in "Man Without Fear" is not suitible for Sat morning).

As for Kingpin let's comapre how many DD comics he and Owl appeared in :

Kingpin170-172, 174-175, 177-181, 185-186, 188, 190, 194, 196, 200, 206, 210-213, 216, 227-231, 233, 248, 251, 253-257, 259, 260*, 261, 263, 284*, 287-300, 307-309, 315, 317*, 319*, 325-326, 333, 335, 337-342, 375-380
(v.2) 1/2, 6-7, 9-10, 13-15, 18, 21c, 22, 26-27, 29, 45-48, 50-53, 65
Owl 3, 6*, 12*, 20-22, 80-81, 116-117, 144-145, 264, 301-303, 347* (v.2) 1/2*, 41-42, 44-45

As you can see, even though Kingpin only became a DD villain in the Miller years, he still has made far more appearances in DD comics than Owl has, who has used somewhat sparingly even in the Silver Age, which is one reason Kingpin is more of arch nemsis for DD than Owl. Besides having Owl as the top crime boss in NYC and then Kingpin makes them seem interchangible and thus less interesting. That's why Owl would work better as Kingpin's rival than the top boss, Kingpin would be calm, cool and collected most of the time, while Owl would be a rage filled maniac and far more willing to engage in wanton violence. So even though their both crime bosses, they would have clashing personalities and styles, Kingpin representing order and Owl representing choas. Thus putting DD in a tough position, support the status quo and allow the man he hates to remain in power or allow his hated enemy to overthrown and possiblely replaced with an even greater evil.

I was referring to the "Man Without Fear" mini series. I like the dark and gritty tone of that series. It's been awhile since I've read it, but I would leave out the kiddie porn ring. I would go for a chop shop instead. Not all adaptions have to be verbatim (see Secret Wars).

You're right about Kingpin being more of an archnemesis for Daredevil than any of his other rogues. I left Kingpin off my list because most people know who he is what's expected of him. With his lesser known foes you have blank slates which are right for molding.

Another story I would like to see adapted is the Fall of The Kingpin storyline. That would make a good season three story. I see his son Richard Fisk playing an instrumental role in his downfall.

[The Overlord]

I was referring to the "Man Without Fear" mini series. I like the dark and gritty tone of that series. It's been awhile since I've read it, but I would leave out the kiddie porn ring. I would go for a chop shop instead. Not all adaptions have to be verbatim (see Secret Wars).

You're right about Kingpin being more of an archnemesis for Daredevil than any of his other rogues. I left Kingpin off my list because most people know who he is what's expected of him. With his lesser known foes you have blank slates which are right for molding.

Another story I would like to see adapted is the Fall of The Kingpin storyline. That would make a good season three story. I see his son Richard Fisk playing an instrumental role in his downfall.

Well thing about DD and his rogues, history and tradition kinda demand Kingpin be the arch nemsis. If Owl is the top boss, he becomes nothing more than a Kingpin clone or the poor's man Penguin, so when Kingpin does come along, it seems like he's the same character as Owl. That's why Owl being Kingpin's crazed rival makes for better story telling, it establishes that while Kingpin and Owl are both crime bosses, they are very different types crime bosses. Though I like your idea about Richard playing both Owl and his father.

As for "the m|an Without Fear" should any elements from DD: Yellow be retained?

The fall of the Kingpin would make for a good story done the line.


You make a good point, but the general realisation behind pre-Miller Daredevil is that a lot of it isn't very good. I don't think Daredevil works as a swashbuckelry character - it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that a blind man who lost his Father to crime lords and small time hoods jokes around whilst fighting people dressed up as Court Jesters. Daredevil should be hard hitting, in my opinion - he's far more entertaining this way. I didn't really care for his appearance in the Fantastic Four cartoon too much because of this - he comes across as a poor man's Spider-Man, to quote Frank Miller.

A lot of Daredevil simply couldn't be done in a cartoon. I highly doubt stuff like the anti-Christ aspects of Guardian Devil would be allowed in the show. However, I still think it could be done justice. As Spider-Man mentioned, something similar in tone to The New Batman Adventures could work.

Are you replying to me? Anway I think a lot of his B list villains could be revamped to fit into a darker Daredevil cartoon (Purple Man, Owl, Mr. Hyde, Bushwacker, Bullet, Typhoid Mary and maybe Mr. Fear) to flesh the series out and even some of the really lame villains (Leap-Frog, Stilt-Man and Matador) could be used as comic relief, ex: Matador robs a 7-11 in the begining of the episode and DD defeats him in a minute. Though Kingpin would still be the main enemy, there would be episodes that focus other rogues, just mix things up.

But for DD's outting to have an impact, he has to have about seasons to establish who he is and why we should care about him.

[Kid Eternity]

Well thing about DD and his rogues, history and tradition kinda demand Kingpin be the arch nemsis. If Owl is the top boss, he becomes nothing more than a Kingpin clone or the poor's man Penguin, so when Kingpin does come along, it seems like he's the same character as Owl. That's why Owl being Kingpin's crazed rival makes for better story telling, it establishes that while Kingpin and Owl are both crime bosses, they are very different types crime bosses. Though I like your idea about Richard playing both Owl and his father.

As for "the m|an Without Fear" should any elements from DD: Yellow be retained?

The fall of the Kingpin would make for a good story done the line.

I never read "Yellow". Was that the story that introduced Alexander Bont? The man who was Kingpin's predecessor? Bont would be cool to have in the cartoon.

There was one villian out of the silver age that caught my interest. Do you remember Death-Stalker? I think he would make a cool villian to have on the show.

[The Overlord]

I never read "Yellow". Was that the story that introduced Alexander Bont? The man who was Kingpin's predecessor? Bont would be cool to have in the cartoon.

There was one villian out of the silver age that caught my interest. Do you remember Death-Stalker? I think he would make a cool villian to have on the show.

DD: Yellow was retelling of DD# 1-4 from Loeb and Sale, featured Fixer and his goons, Electro, Owl and Purple Man, mainly explored DD's relationship with Karen Page (Owl tried to kidnap her and PM more or less tried to date rape her with his mind control powers, etc.) The story your thinking of is Bendis "Golden Age" arc.

I remember Death-Stalker, been dead since the 80s, but that wouldn't stop from making him a good DD rogue.

[Kid Eternity]

Daredevil: Yellow sounds interesting. I'm going to have to check that out when I go back to the comic store. Now another story I would like to see is the New York blackout story that introduced Ammo and his Wildboys.

There was so much potential with Ammo and his gang and it would be good if he and his gang were revamped and given that attention for the Daredevil cartoon.

[Stu]

Both Man Without Fear and Daredevil Yellow are outstanding origin stories, it's all about how the creative team would wish to portray the character. The current Daredevil seems to have become a much darker character over a certain period of time, more than likely due to all the events of his life, the death of Elektra, the death of Karen, The Kingpin discovering his identity and so on.

I think Daredevil could work better with original storylines, with the inspiration taken from the comics. Batman: The Animated Series rarely adapted the comics, it simply took the route they thought that the characters fitted best. I think this is the way to go with Daredevil. It would be cool to see some of the Frank Miller Elektra/Bullseye stories thrown in there, perhaps a new spin on them. And as much as I love Born Again, I'd love to see a new version done in animation. It'd offer the perfect oppertunity for a better ending!

[ifthismeansevos]

An ending without Cap and the other patriotic guy?
It was a weird but very nice end.
The Parts of a hole can work easily in a cartoon no? Well it's not too dark...Not as dark as Born Again or Guardian devil...sue me but with the correct animation I'd love to see Guardian devil (Too bad maybe a DTV but not a cartoon or it will end so empty and fake)

[The Overlord]

Both Man Without Fear and Daredevil Yellow are outstanding origin stories, it's all about how the creative team would wish to portray the character. The current Daredevil seems to have become a much darker character over a certain period of time, more than likely due to all the events of his life, the death of Elektra, the death of Karen, The Kingpin discovering his identity and so on.

I think Daredevil could work better with original storylines, with the inspiration taken from the comics. Batman: The Animated Series rarely adapted the comics, it simply took the route they thought that the characters fitted best. I think this is the way to go with Daredevil. It would be cool to see some of the Frank Miller Elektra/Bullseye stories thrown in there, perhaps a new spin on them. And as much as I love Born Again, I'd love to see a new version done in animation. It'd offer the perfect oppertunity for a better ending!

You know what I always thought would have been cool ideas for a DD dTV, an origin story that would have combined elements from DD: Yellow and Man Without Fear. That way you can have something for everything, as long as you juggle the elements correctly. You can have DD deal with Fixer and his goons of course, then he his defending the city's old top crime boss, the Owl in court, after the city's new rising crime boss, the Kingpin, passes off evidence of Owl's economic misdoings to the IRS.

Things get more heated when Owl's men try to kill Kingpin and Kingpin responds by hiring Elektra to kill Owl. now Matt has defend his client from his old girlfreind, while dealing with his feelings for his secretary, Karen Page. You can also have a Purple man sub plot, if there is time left over.

[Spider-Man]

The Parts of a hole can work easily in a cartoon no? Well it's not too dark...Not as dark as Born Again or Guardian devil...sue me but with the correct animation I'd love to see Guardian devil (Too bad maybe a DTV but not a cartoon or it will end so empty and fake)
I think Guardian Devil could be pulled off but they'd have to cut out so much and rework the story abit. I'm not sure alot of people outside the comic fans will know who Mysterio is. I think that story is a pretty "R" rated story that could be brought down to "PG-13" but it'd take so much to change. I'd rather see them redo his origin first and then move on to other storie slike this one when they get in the right groove with ol' Horn Head.

[The Overlord]

I think Guardian Devil could be pulled off but they'd have to cut out so much and rework the story abit. I'm not sure alot of people outside the comic fans will know who Mysterio is. I think that story is a pretty "R" rated story that could be brought down to "PG-13" but it'd take so much to change. I'd rather see them redo his origin first and then move on to other storie slike this one when they get in the right groove with ol' Horn Head.

Guardian Devil only really worked because it had 40 years of histroy to work with. Why should anyone care about Karen Page's death if she hasn't recieved any sort of set up as a character? As for DD's origin do you prefer DD: Yellow, Man Without Fear or combo of both stories?

[cheeno]

Show must be a bit more adult tone rather than be included in "kids shows". If I would suggest a story line, I would love to see an Elektra-story line with Elektra being the guest star.And Spidey making a guest appearence too.

[Apprentice]

Gangwar
One of Miller's stories where Kingpin, who has retired from crime, agrees to give evidence to convict his former lieutenants. In retaliation, the crime bosses kidnap his wife, Vanessa, in order to lure him back to the city and hire Bullseye to pick him off. Daredevil goes undercover and infiltrates Fisk's organisation to get the incriminating files, but he is discovered and beaten badly by Fisk himself. As Fisk arrives at the meeting place, Daredevil tackles Bullseye just as he pulls the trigger to kill Fisk. Realising he's been betrayed, Fisk charges towards Vanessa, but a panicked mob boss detonates a bomb that kills Vanessa and brings the building down. A vengeful Fisk returns to crime and incites a gang war to regain his vast cirminal empire...with Daredevil caught ebtween the warring factions.

The Gauntlet
Elektra returns, hunted by the Hand for abandoning them. Their mysterious leader orders the assassins to kill Matt Murdock to attract Elektra's attention, and they almost succeed before the intervention of the sai-wielding girl. Daredevil reluctantly agrees to work with her in order to defeat the Hand, and they track a group down to a construction site. During the battle, Daredevil is defeated. When he awakens, he has lost his enhanced senses, and Elektra has left him. Truly blind and alone, with assassins targeting him, he must relearn his skills with an old master whilst Elektra faces down the Hand and their immortal agent, Kirigi.

[Spider-Man]

I keep reading all these synopsis for various classic Daredevil stories and the tone they'd take and I have to wonder something. Is Daredevil just too mature for regular animation?

[ifthismeansevos]

Maybe. But the movie works good for kids both versions are enjoyable for lil ones, I'm very impressed of how much this movie is under-raqted it's my favorite Marvel movie.

The cartoon could work like B TAS but it could be better if they decide to make it for adults nor for kids.

[Spider-Man]

Maybe. But the movie works good for kids both versions are enjoyable for lil ones, I'm very impressed of how much this movie is under-raqted it's my favorite Marvel movie. The cartoon could work like B TAS but it could be better if they decide to make it for adults nor for kids.
I don't think the movie worked for kids at all myself. It was a dark dark movie and I really can't see what kids would get out of it. The PG-13 one is something I wouldn't recommend to kids. And that's the problem with the character. He can be made into a kid friendly one but I don't think he should be. He's gone way beyond that.

[ifthismeansevos]

Ok here it didn't work like Spider-man but some cousins of mine and friends under nine like the movie, well at least the director's cut. It's dark yes but they like it not as much as they likle Spidey but that's pretty understandable.

[Apprentice]

I keep reading all these synopsis for various classic Daredevil stories and the tone they'd take and I have to wonder something. Is Daredevil just too mature for regular animation?

In my opinion...definitely. If such a show was ever made, it shouldn't be aimed at below 15s. Otherwise, it wouldn't be able to reach its full potential, and, quite simply, it just wouldn't be Daredevil. Occasional toned-down guest appearances (like Spider-Man TAS) are okay, but it wouldn't work in its own show.

[Spider-Man]

In my opinion...definitely. If such a show was ever made, it shouldn't be aimed at below 15s. Otherwise, it wouldn't be able to reach its full potential, and, quite simply, it just wouldn't be Daredevil. Occasional toned-down guest appearances (like Spider-Man TAS) are okay, but it wouldn't work in its own show.
Maybe that's the best we're going to get. Maybe animators know that Daredevil is not really the most kid-friendlist of characters and works well on that level only in short bursts. That's why he's had only guest appearances and never his own show. I'm sure they could find an approach for him that could work well for us and make him accessible to kids. They were pretty close a few years back weren't they?

[Wonderwall]

There was some promo stuff yea, i think FOX was interested but i think ultimatley they just didn't pick it, mightv'e been due to Marvel being penniless at the time. Im hoping i'll do good in my animation classes, I mean I would die to work on a superhero cartoon and Daredevil would is totally up on the list of shows I would want to work on. I may be in the minority but I think a Daredevil cartoon in the same maturity of the DCAU could still be done effectivley.

[The Overlord]

There was some promo stuff yea, i think FOX was interested but i think ultimatley they just didn't pick it, mightv'e been due to Marvel being penniless at the time. Im hoping i'll do good in my animation classes, I mean I would die to work on a superhero cartoon and Daredevil would is totally up on the list of shows I would want to work on. I may be in the minority but I think a Daredevil cartoon in the same maturity of the DCAU could still be done effectivley.

The question is can any of the old 80s DD stories work in DCUA style cartoon or would they have to start from scratch?

[Wonderwall]

The question is can any of the old 80s DD stories work in DCUA style cartoon or would they have to start from scratch?

A mix of both really. There are stories that can be done directly, how much theyre watered down depends. If it gets to the point that were it wont work anymore because its so diluted then its best to start from scratch but perhaps have similar themes from stories that couldn't be done.

[ifthismeansevos]

Maybe the first season could be brighter like the first comics except for the first two episodes, but for the seaswon finale they could use something like Born Again with a lil of adaptations. But this series won't be for kids we agree in that matter no?

[The Overlord]

Maybe the first season could be brighter like the first comics except for the first two episodes, but for the seaswon finale they could use something like Born Again with a lil of adaptations. But this series won't be for kids we agree in that matter no?

The thing is that DD was one of the weakest Silver age Marvel titles, which is why Miller reinvented it in the 80s.

[ifthismeansevos]

Yes I know, but you can't do all the Born again stuff without an introduction, and it could be good if in the first season you have a "happy" Matt and you see how his life falls apart.

[Wonderwall]

Yes I know, but you can't do all the Born again stuff without an introduction, and it could be good if in the first season you have a "happy" Matt and you see how his life falls apart.

That actually isn't too bad of an idea. So Daredevil was the weakest silver age comic for marvel, that doesn't mean someone can't write a somewhat brighter Daredevil well, Stan the Man isn't the end all be all in comic characters writing. But yea later seasons could have him become bitter just like Leo in TMNT, except more permanant then that.

[The Overlord]

That actually isn't too bad of an idea. So Daredevil was the weakest silver age comic for marvel, that doesn't mean someone can't write a somewhat brighter Daredevil well, Stan the Man isn't the end all be all in comic characters writing. But yea later seasons could have him become bitter just like Leo in TMNT, except more permanant then that.

Well what would the tone be, would he fight dark assassins like Bullseye or goofy losers like Stilt-Man? Would the villains be dark or goofy?

[Wonderwall]

I think itd work better to have the sarker tone villains, but have certain fight sequences( like in JLU's 'Clash' when Bats/ Supes fight those four losers ) with his goofy villains. For the most part Id rather not see Daredevil's goofy villains except Stiltman...who should be recurring.:D

[The Overlord]

I think itd work better to have the sarker tone villains, but have certain fight sequences( like in JLU's 'Clash' when Bats/ Supes fight those four losers ) with his goofy villains. For the most part Id rather not see Daredevil's goofy villains except Stiltman...who should be recurring.:D

Now see I could live with that as long as dark villains like Bullseye and Kingpin are used and perhaps revamp some of the other villains like Purple man, Mr. Hyde, Typhoid Mary, Death-Stalker and Bushwacker into darker villains. However I wouldn't have a problem with DD beating up Matador at the begining of an episode or having Turk as a reoccuring character. Perhaps have an episode where Turk, Stilt-Man, Leap-Frog and Matador team up to defeat DD and completely fail.

[Wonderwall]

Perhaps have an episode where Turk, Stilt-Man, Leap-Frog and Matador team up to defeat DD and completely fail.

If I ever become like a producer I so want to pitch that idea or something similar. Ive always had an idea similar but with Spider Man, But this one works great too. Itd be mostly the villains and Daredevil showing up a little until the climax, play it sort of like Flash and Substance with a mix of Task Force X in JLU, cept DD is by himself and no museum. That would work great as a villain carried episode...someday perhaps:p

[Stu]

Do you think Daredevil could be sucessfully translated if it were done in a Batman: The Animated Series style tone and had as little network/censorship interference as the aforementioned show did?

[Wonderwall]

Do you think Daredevil could be sucessfully translated if it were done in a Batman: The Animated Series style tone and had as little network/censorship interference as the aforementioned show did?

I think so, everytime I posted here I always had in mind that the only way that a show like this could be done is with the maturity or Batman TAS or Superman or JLU. I mean Batman was a dark show but it had its light moments too and it didn't hurt its legacy or its following at all. Daredevil could work just the same if given the chance.

[The Overlord]

I think so, everytime I posted here I always had in mind that the only way that a show like this could be done is with the maturity or Batman TAS or Superman or JLU. I mean Batman was a dark show but it had its light moments too and it didn't hurt its legacy or its following at all. Daredevil could work just the same if given the chance.

Which villains would work in that kinda show and how would they have to be changed. Here is a good list of DD villains:

http://www.geocities.com/daredevil_villains/daredevil.html

[Wonderwall]

Bullseye, Kingpin, Owl, Mr Fear, and Purple Man should be give ins and shouldn't be too hard to retool if necessary. Guys like Bushwacker might be hard, but if you can get Bullseye somewhat similar then maybe Bushwacker can be done too. Mandrill should be avoided all together, maybe have a Zann and Jana like cameo( Wonder Twins ):p . Death Stalker seems a little too farfetched, maybe Im wrong I got off work awhile ago and Im tired and its 1 am here so I didn't read all his stuff, but his microwave gloves and phasing tricks seem out of place. Mr Hyde shouldn't be too hard to translate, I mean he takes a special formula and gets crazy and super strong, roll with it. Shotgun I can see being more like a Devil Ray like character, but nothing more then just the henchman. Jester seems to much like an afterthought from the Silver Age that just was thrown into DD world, so I say no to him. I won't even say anything about Man Bull. Im indifferent to System Crash, I think there's potential but it has to be done right. And of course Stiltman is a give in:D , hes just so lame thats hes kind of cool...but honestly what was Stan thinking when making that guy. I'll post something a little more elaborate bubt I need sleep first, so until tomorrow or later today depending on where you are true believers.

[The Overlord]

Bullseye, Kingpin, Owl, Mr Fear, and Purple Man should be give ins and shouldn't be too hard to retool if necessary. Guys like Bushwacker might be hard, but if you can get Bullseye somewhat similar then maybe Bushwacker can be done too. Mandrill should be avoided all together, maybe have a Zann and Jana like cameo( Wonder Twins ):p . Death Stalker seems a little too farfetched, maybe Im wrong I got off work awhile ago and Im tired and its 1 am here so I didn't read all his stuff, but his microwave gloves and phasing tricks seem out of place. Mr Hyde shouldn't be too hard to translate, I mean he takes a special formula and gets crazy and super strong, roll with it. Shotgun I can see being more like a Devil Ray like character, but nothing more then just the henchman. Jester seems to much like an afterthought from the Silver Age that just was thrown into DD world, so I say no to him. I won't even say anything about Man Bull. Im indifferent to System Crash, I think there's potential but it has to be done right. And of course Stiltman is a give in:D , hes just so lame thats hes kind of cool...but honestly what was Stan thinking when making that guy. I'll post something a little more elaborate bubt I need sleep first, so until tomorrow or later today depending on where you are true believers.

Techincally that list is a bit incomnplete and Mandrill was more of a Defenders
villain than a DD one. There are other important villains not listed there, DD needs some female foes, so I would say Typhoid Mary is a must:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary_%28comics%29

Also there is Cobra a DD/Captain America villain, with a small revamp he could be a fearsome foe, maybe make him into a poisons expert or something:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_%28comics%29

I think even someone as lame as the Ringmaster could be revamped into a creepy villain for a DD series:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringmaster_%28comics%29

I also someone like Man-Bull who is lame in a generic way, other than really goofy lame like Stilt-Man, with a major revamp could be turned into a serious character. Here is what I would suggest for Man-Bull:

"A sad and pathetic creature, Man-Bull is one of a newer generation of Animal Evolutionary. Created by the cruel Dr. Kline at Roxxon's secret genetic lab, the creature was tortured, treated as a lab rat and given the name "Man-Bull" as sign of Kline's contempt of the creature. One night the "Man-Bull" creature escapes from Dr. Kline's lab. Dr. Kline assembles a team of mercenaries to track down and recapture the creature. Daredevil discovers battle between Man-Bull and Dr. Kline's team and assumes that "Man-Bull" is the threat. The creature escapes and Kline tells DD that creature is dangerous and must be recaptured. When DD discovers the Man-Bull creature again he finds it is quite harmless and discovers evidence of torture. DD quickly discovers that Dr. Kline is the true monster, not Man-Bull."

[Wonderwall]

Typhoid Mary is also a prime canidate for a recurring villain, she could have somewhat of a catwoman role. For some reason that idea for Man Bull to me at least makes him like Leatherhead from TMNT, so that could work as long as he doesn't have a lame VA like Leatherhead:D . Ringmaster and Cobra could easily be done too. I notice that DD has some potential when it comes to amping up his rogues gallery, its just like Superman's, a good catalogue of villains with untapped potential.

[The Overlord]

Typhoid Mary is also a prime canidate for a recurring villain, she could have somewhat of a catwoman role. For some reason that idea for Man Bull to me at least makes him like Leatherhead from TMNT, so that could work as long as he doesn't have a lame VA like Leatherhead:D . Ringmaster and Cobra could easily be done too. I notice that DD has some potential when it comes to amping up his rogues gallery, its just like Superman's, a good catalogue of villains with untapped potential.

Actually Elektra is more DD's Catwoman, a villain who becomes an anti hero over time and is even willing to join the hero at certain times. Typhoid Mary is more of a straight villain like Poison Ivy, though her bi-polar nature could make her somewhat sympathetic.

As for Man-Bull I was thinking that he would be a simple and harmless creature with low intelligence, so he really wouldn't need much of an VA, just someone to provide the grunts and such.

As for some of the other villains perhaps Mr. Fear would work best if he had a personal grudge against Murdock without knowing that he was DD. Perhaps something like this:

"Alan Fagan's parents had always encourged him to be the best student in school, but he was always being bested by Matt Murdock. Instead of praising Alan for his accomplishments, they would always berate him for comming in second.

When Murdock was blinded, Alan was overjoyed, believing that he finally had the edge on his old rival. However when Matt still proved to be the superior student and became valedictorian of their high school, Alan was enraged. Again his parents berated him for coming in second place.

Both Matt and Alan enrolled in law courses at Columbia University. When Matt once got superior marks to Alan, Alan decided to even the odds. Alan decided to steal the answers to the term's final law exam. However Matt discovered Alan's attempted theft and reported to campus security.

The Dean of Columbia's law department, Jason Sloan berate Alan and had him exspelled. Alan's parents disowned him and he was forced to become a janitor.

Years later, Alan was working as a janitor in the lab of Dr. Samuel Starr, a famous chemist. One night Dr. Starr creates a fear serum by accident. Alan knocks Starr out, steals his notes and the sample of the serum. He then sets fire to the lab, making it look like an accident.

Studying Starr's notes Alan manages to recreate the fear serum. Now Mr. Fear is ready to gain revenge on the person he hates the most, Matt Murdock."

Also Turk needs to be a reoccuring character:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/turkbarretdd.htm

Don't forget your post on elaborating on the villains, I'm looking forward it.

[Wonderwall]

K sorry for not posting this earlier but lots of stuff came up in the last 2 days. So my picks for DD rogue's for a show would be Kingpin, Bullseye, Owl, Bushwacker, Shotgun, Purple Man, Mr Fear, Mr Hyde, Man Bull, Typhoid Mary, Elektra, Ringmaster, Cobra, Stilt - Man, Leap Frog, Matador, and Turk.

- Kingpin - Pretty easy to get done in a cartoon, just play him like he was in Spider Man TAS, cept he can be somewhat more darker, like punishing his lackeys for failing. Also get the guy who did his voice in the 90's spidey toon, he had a great voice.
- Bullseye - First have him in the movie costume, no silly blue costume with a giant target on his head. Play him sorta obsessive which in turns leads to him going insane. And also I wouldn't have him be an ex baseball pitcher, im trying to think of something interesting to make his past link him with his incredible aim, maybe become obsessed with old cowboy movies or something.
- Owl - Play as a foil to Kingpin, the rival to Kingpin's criminal empire. When DD's not facing Fisk he can take on Owl, and have Owl maybe even manipulate DD to weaken Fisk while gaining power so pissing off the Man without fear.
- Bushwacker - I see this guy being sorta like Mad Stan cept with a gun on his arm. He should also be quite the wise cracker when facing DD, which would set him apart from someone like Bullseye who would taunt him in a more serious manner, this guy would just be annoying:p .
- Shotgun - He'd work for Fisk, have him be the Devil ray or Boba Fett of DD. Have him do something very little yet be awesome while doing it.
- Purple Man - Visually this guy should look great. I think someone as strange looking as him should have a really good look to set him apart from the other villains. I also think his mind control should have some sort of cool effect that's simple but would look different then the usual ripple effect.
- Mr Fear - This is tricky due to the fact that he could easily come off as a Scarcrow rip off. I mean the Fear gas the weird mask. So the difference will have to be in the personality. While Scarecrow was changed to a wimpy loser to a creepy hangman, Mr Fear I think should be at least half as intimidating when hes not using his gas. Also unlike Scarecrow, lave at least be able to fight reasonably well. Also use Overlord's back story, its very good. He can be the main foil to Matt Murdock as well as daredevil.
- Mr Hyde - Play as him the jerk mad scientist or at least the over obsessed kind that accidently turns him to a crazy super villain. He should be a very dangerous opponent, make him physically the most powerful of all DD's rogues. Id sorta play him like Bane but more crazy and attack everyone even the other villains.
- Man Bull - Same as Overlord's idea from before.
- Typhoid Mary - Much like Purple man and Mr Fear she needs a great design to refect her personality and powers. She could aslo be one of the more powerful foes that daredevil will have to fight and he'll need more than just his radar sense and stick to do it. Eventually she can be his interest and when Elektra shows up she can grow jealous of her and really go all out.
- Elektra - Be DD's catwoman, the perfect woman who will forever be out of reach due to her past and her persona. I don't think she should be introduced into the show until after typhoid Mary, in fact I'd hold her off til a second season like mid way through in order to have maybe the Karen Page death, the odd typhoid mary relationship and DD's bitterness all be addressed before she shows up.
- Ringmaster - I keep thinking of the weird ringmaster ghost from Danny Phantom when I think of this guy. I would definatley go with a weird gothic circus coming to town but this one Im a little stumped on. If anyone wants to make their own ideas theyre free to do so:D .
-Cobra - First avoid anything copperhead, because they can be very different( as long as the bad spanish accent is avoided hes already in good territory ). Have him a poison specialist, maybe have a personal grudge against Matt Murdock so he poisons MM loved ones and makes him frame someone else that he doesn't like, so in effect killing 2 birds with one stone.
- Stilt Man, Matador, Leap Frog, and Turk - The ultimate losers of the DD world. They can all have their own episodes where they really believe that they are the real deal, then theyre put in their place. The have them routinely beat up( not often though ) in the first scene of an episode. Eventually the hardest men in town decide to team up and kill DD once and for all and fail miserably. And Turk should be voiced by Donald Faison for the obvious Turk/ Scrubs reference.

Well those are my ideas, a little rough but hey Im just one guy. Thinking about all this makes me wish there was a Daredevil show, and hopefully one day I'll be fortunate enough to work on one.

[The Overlord]

K sorry for not posting this earlier but lots of stuff came up in the last 2 days. So my picks for DD rogue's for a show would be Kingpin, Bullseye, Owl, Bushwacker, Shotgun, Purple Man, Mr Fear, Mr Hyde, Man Bull, Typhoid Mary, Elektra, Ringmaster, Cobra, Stilt - Man, Leap Frog, Matador, and Turk.

- Kingpin - Pretty easy to get done in a cartoon, just play him like he was in Spider Man TAS, cept he can be somewhat more darker, like punishing his lackeys for failing. Also get the guy who did his voice in the 90's spidey toon, he had a great voice.
- Bullseye - First have him in the movie costume, no silly blue costume with a giant target on his head. Play him sorta obsessive which in turns leads to him going insane. And also I wouldn't have him be an ex baseball pitcher, im trying to think of something interesting to make his past link him with his incredible aim, maybe become obsessed with old cowboy movies or something.
- Owl - Play as a foil to Kingpin, the rival to Kingpin's criminal empire. When DD's not facing Fisk he can take on Owl, and have Owl maybe even manipulate DD to weaken Fisk while gaining power so pissing off the Man without fear.
- Bushwacker - I see this guy being sorta like Mad Stan cept with a gun on his arm. He should also be quite the wise cracker when facing DD, which would set him apart from someone like Bullseye who would taunt him in a more serious manner, this guy would just be annoying:p .
- Shotgun - He'd work for Fisk, have him be the Devil ray or Boba Fett of DD. Have him do something very little yet be awesome while doing it.
- Purple Man - Visually this guy should look great. I think someone as strange looking as him should have a really good look to set him apart from the other villains. I also think his mind control should have some sort of cool effect that's simple but would look different then the usual ripple effect.
- Mr Fear - This is tricky due to the fact that he could easily come off as a Scarcrow rip off. I mean the Fear gas the weird mask. So the difference will have to be in the personality. While Scarecrow was changed to a wimpy loser to a creepy hangman, Mr Fear I think should be at least half as intimidating when hes not using his gas. Also unlike Scarecrow, lave at least be able to fight reasonably well. Also use Overlord's back story, its very good. He can be the main foil to Matt Murdock as well as daredevil.
- Mr Hyde - Play as him the jerk mad scientist or at least the over obsessed kind that accidently turns him to a crazy super villain. He should be a very dangerous opponent, make him physically the most powerful of all DD's rogues. Id sorta play him like Bane but more crazy and attack everyone even the other villains.
- Man Bull - Same as Overlord's idea from before.
- Typhoid Mary - Much like Purple man and Mr Fear she needs a great design to refect her personality and powers. She could aslo be one of the more powerful foes that daredevil will have to fight and he'll need more than just his radar sense and stick to do it. Eventually she can be his interest and when Elektra shows up she can grow jealous of her and really go all out.
- Elektra - Be DD's catwoman, the perfect woman who will forever be out of reach due to her past and her persona. I don't think she should be introduced into the show until after typhoid Mary, in fact I'd hold her off til a second season like mid way through in order to have maybe the Karen Page death, the odd typhoid mary relationship and DD's bitterness all be addressed before she shows up.
- Ringmaster - I keep thinking of the weird ringmaster ghost from Danny Phantom when I think of this guy. I would definatley go with a weird gothic circus coming to town but this one Im a little stumped on. If anyone wants to make their own ideas theyre free to do so:D .
-Cobra - First avoid anything copperhead, because they can be very different( as long as the bad spanish accent is avoided hes already in good territory ). Have him a poison specialist, maybe have a personal grudge against Matt Murdock so he poisons MM loved ones and makes him frame someone else that he doesn't like, so in effect killing 2 birds with one stone.
- Stilt Man, Matador, Leap Frog, and Turk - The ultimate losers of the DD world. They can all have their own episodes where they really believe that they are the real deal, then theyre put in their place. The have them routinely beat up( not often though ) in the first scene of an episode. Eventually the hardest men in town decide to team up and kill DD once and for all and fail miserably. And Turk should be voiced by Donald Faison for the obvious Turk/ Scrubs reference.

Well those are my ideas, a little rough but hey Im just one guy. Thinking about all this makes me wish there was a Daredevil show, and hopefully one day I'll be fortunate enough to work on one.

Those are some good ideas there.

For Mr. Fear, a slight revamp of his existing costume and he would look very scarey, make his cloak longer, jet black and tattered, give him clawed gloves and make his skull mask white. That way he will look like the Grim Reaper instead of Skeletor.

As for Purple Man, I like the purple dress clothes he wears in the comics nowadays, way better than the purple jumpsuit he used to wear in the 60s. I think his current outfit shows off his vain and hedonistic personality. Since PM has become really evil in the comics recently, I don't know how evil they could make him a sat morning cartoon. Perhaps they could have an episode where he is stalking Karen Page and uses his mind control powers to make her become his "girlfriend".

Typhoid Mary's costume from the comics would have to be toned down from the comics, let her keep the half face makeup she wears, keep the biker look, though give her a shirt to go with her leather jacket and perhaps ripped jeans instead of fishnets.

Owl, in order to be something other than the poor man's Penguin, should wear a mask of civility that hides an animalstic rage. While the Kingpoin prepresents order, Owl represents choas, he is willing to do anything to get the top spot in the city. Owl can be sauve and charming one second, brutally savage the next.

Cobra I think should be a scientist and that would be his motive, besides Mr. Fear already has a personal grudge against MM. His real name Dr. Klaus Voorhees and he is a famous chemist from Holland, he even won the Nobel Prize for chemistry in the early 90s. However Klaus has a sick obession on poisons and their effect on the human body, he thinks that it just scientific curiosity, but really he is just a sadist. He developes many desinger poisons and sells them on the black market under the name "Cobra". Though now he is bored with that and wishes to perform a grand experiment on the effects of poison in NYC. I'm not sure he should have any "snake man" powers, instead give him a bunch of poison based weapons on his person to make him a phsyical threat. He could still poison Foggy and Karen because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Ringmaster, I like the gothic circus idea, I would also ditch the mind contol hat he usually has in the comics, PM already has the mind control gimick. Now this may be too dark for a Sat moring cartoon, but you could Ringmaster lure runaways to his circus and raise them to become thieves, perhaps have a runaway for HK join the circus and get in over his or her head and DD comes to the rescue. Kinda a moral about runnig away and twist on the runaways joining the circus urban legend.

Of course some of the above ideas may be too dark for a Sat Morning cartoon show.

[Wonderwall]

Those are some good ideas there.

For Mr. Fear, a slight revamp of his existing costume and he would look very scarey, make his cloak longer, jet black and tattered, give him clawed gloves and make his skull mask white. That way he will look like the Grim Reaper instead of Skeletor.

As for Purple Man, I like the purple dress clothes he wears in the comics nowadays, way better than the purple jumpsuit he used to wear in the 60s. I think his current outfit shows off his vain and hedonistic personality. Since PM has become really evil in the comics recently, I don't know how evil they could make him a sat morning cartoon. Perhaps they could have an episode where he is stalking Karen Page and uses his mind control powers to make her become his "girlfriend".

Typhoid Mary's costume from the comics would have to be toned down from the comics, let her keep the half face makeup she wears, keep the biker look, though give her a shirt to go with her leather jacket and perhaps ripped jeans instead of fishnets.

Owl, in order to be something other than the poor man's Penguin, should wear a mask of civility that hides an animalstic rage. While the Kingpoin prepresents order, Owl represents choas, he is willing to do anything to get the top spot in the city. Owl can be sauve and charming one second, brutally savage the next.

Cobra I think should be a scientist and that would be his motive, besides Mr. Fear already has a personal grudge against MM. His real name Dr. Klaus Voorhees and he is a famous chemist from Holland, he even won the Nobel Prize for chemistry in the early 90s. However Klaus has a sick obession on poisons and their effect on the human body, he thinks that it just scientific curiosity, but really he is just a sadist. He developes many desinger poisons and sells them on the black market under the name "Cobra". Though now he is bored with that and wishes to perform a grand experiment on the effects of poison in NYC. I'm not sure he should have any "snake man" powers, instead give him a bunch of poison based weapons on his person to make him a phsyical threat. He could still poison Foggy and Karen because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Ringmaster, I like the gothic circus idea, I would also ditch the mind contol hat he usually has in the comics, PM already has the mind control gimick. Now this may be too dark for a Sat moring cartoon, but you could Ringmaster lure runaways to his circus and raise them to become thieves, perhaps have a runaway for HK join the circus and get in over his or her head and DD comes to the rescue. Kinda a moral about runnig away and twist on the runaways joining the circus urban legend.

Of course some of the above ideas may be too dark for a Sat Morning cartoon show.

Those are all good ideas there( though for Mary Id have her have that weird purple stalkings that Black Canary has in JLU ). Man someone should hire us to do this show:D . I've actually drawn a bunch of Marvel characters and most of these guys I've done but I'll probably change them now with these ideas, besides alot of them look rough anyway that theyre due for a change. And I don't think any of that sounds to dark, I mean the run away thing was sorta done in BTAS with the underdwellers, i know not a good example but I think all these could still be done with DCAU kind of restrictions.

[ifthismeansevos]

Yes you can do a good Daredevil show:D Now just find Avi and let him know your ideas. I think we also need normal villains of the Kitchen and a lil of Matt in the court.

[The Overlord]

Those are all good ideas there( though for Mary Id have her have that weird purple stalkings that Black Canary has in JLU ). Man someone should hire us to do this show:D . I've actually drawn a bunch of Marvel characters and most of these guys I've done but I'll probably change them now with these ideas, besides alot of them look rough anyway that theyre due for a change. And I don't think any of that sounds to dark, I mean the run away thing was sorta done in BTAS with the underdwellers, i know not a good example but I think all these could still be done with DCAU kind of restrictions.

Another important villain/supporting character that I forgot to mention was the Gladiator, he would need to be in the show, give the show another sympathetic character:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiator_(Daredevil_character)

[ifthismeansevos]

Yes of course and some special guest like Cage or the Black Widow.

[Wonderwall]

Wow I never even knew who this Gladiator guy was:p , oh well that's what wikipedia is for. There wasn't too much info on the guy but from what there was he seems like an intersting character. But man reading the synopsis on born again...that would need some major retooling if it were to be done. And I wonder if Miller would need to be asked to use that story.

[ifthismeansevos]

I don't know Born again is awesome but it certainly isn't the best story to be animated, nor as in the comic I don't know if thefinal part could be used but I love CA

[Kid Eternity]

I'm surprised no one mentioned the Taskmaster. I could see him being a recurring villian in Daredevil: TAS as well. For those who don't know, Taskmaster possesses photographic reflexes.

[The Overlord]

Wow I never even knew who this Gladiator guy was:p , oh well that's what wikipedia is for. There wasn't too much info on the guy but from what there was he seems like an intersting character. But man reading the synopsis on born again...that would need some major retooling if it were to be done. And I wonder if Miller would need to be asked to use that story.

The Gladiator was a nut case named Melvin Potter who committed crimes because he thought he was an actual Gladiator from Roman Times. After many encounters with DD Matt Murdock became Potter's lawyer and was able to get him psychological treatment and have him cleared of his crimes due to mental illness. With Potter cured he opened up a costume shop and became one of DD's biggest fans. Seems like a good character to me.

[ifthismeansevos]

Taskmaster is an enemy of the Avengers no? So he's kinna like Echo (Is that her name?) well fotographic reflexes, Do you think Echo could work in the series?

[Kid Eternity]

Taskmaster is an enemy of the Avengers no? So he's kinna like Echo (Is that her name?) well fotographic reflexes, Do you think Echo could work in the series?

Yeah, but Taskmaster fought Daredevil in the comics. I would love to see an animated battle between Hornhead and Taskmaster. I can see Echo in the cartoon. She can be Taskmaster's protege who later turns against him.

[Wonderwall]

Now that we've talked about some characters and tone of what a DD show should be like, what do you think would the cast designs look like? A lot of these characters have some pretty goofy or lame outfits, so what would anyone change about some of these characters costumes.

[ifthismeansevos]

I say let Steve make the designs He's pretty good. And I'd love to see how he handle the dark enviroment of DD.

[The Overlord]

Now that we've talked about some characters and tone of what a DD show should be like, what do you think would the cast designs look like? A lot of these characters have some pretty goofy or lame outfits, so what would anyone change about some of these characters costumes.

While DD's costume is fine, I wouldn't change it. Kingpin is already well dressed so no need to change that. Mr. Fear just revamp his costume so he looks like the Grim Reaper. Purple Man, I like the purple dress clothes he wears in the comics nowadays. Elektra's costume from the Millar days would work I think. I think Typhoid Mary's recent biker look would work, just tone it down, give her a shirt to go with her jacket.

Owl wears a green business suit,white shirt and a red bow tie in the comics for the most part, I think its fine, but it could also be changed if something better comes along. Bushwacker wears a trench coat in the comics and I think it works. As for Ringmaster I think it be easy to make his outfit look creepy, just make it less flashy and more gothic. Hyde wears a suit that seems vaguely Victorian, which I think suits him.Bullseye, I don't mind his comics costume, but if that doesn't work, I guess they can just go the movie route and give a Bullseye tattoo and a leather jacket. gladitor may look a little silly with his yellow shirt, but keep in mind he is insane and fashion wouldn't be a real consideration for him, though I do like his helmet. The loser criminals shouldn't change their costumes, they are supposed to look lame.

[Wonderwall]

yea DD has a pretty sweet outfit but when I drew him i decided to be more uniform like less spandex. I haven't actually drawn him in his classic outfit so maybe I'll do that and compare. All those sound good, maybe I'll draw some out and if I ever find out how to put on the comp Id post em up( dont get your hopes up though:p ). Its good to see there's interest in DD out there even if its just a forum, thats more people than me. I just had a thought what kind of music should DD have?

[The Overlord]

yea DD has a pretty sweet outfit but when I drew him i decided to be more uniform like less spandex. I haven't actually drawn him in his classic outfit so maybe I'll do that and compare. All those sound good, maybe I'll draw some out and if I ever find out how to put on the comp Id post em up( dont get your hopes up though:p ). Its good to see there's interest in DD out there even if its just a forum, thats more people than me. I just had a thought what kind of music should DD have?

Music is interesting, but the big question is for me who should voice DD his supporting cast and his villains?

[Wonderwall]

Voice cast is a good question. I would really like Typhoid Mary to be done by Jennifer Hale, she has the ability to sound sexy as well as bizarre or insane. I think it was Roscoe Brown who did Kingpin in the 90s Spider Man, I would totally have him back. Whoever did Devil Ray's voice should be Shotgun. Id like to hear for some reason MArc Woden as Purple Man, bring in that suave voice of Tony Stark but add some creepiness. If the PUnisher ever guest starred Id get Tom Jane, just cuz I know he can voice act and his voice is just perfect. Daredevil is a tough one, i actually have no idea what DD should sound like:p

[Spider-Man]

Tom Jane would be excellent for an animated Punisher. One thing I liked about MTV's CGI Spider-Man cartoon was bringing in Duncan to voice the Kingpin on the cartoon as well. It was a great tie-in to the movie. As for Daredevil he'd be a hard one to get the right voice for. Would George Neubern from Justice League Unlimited fit? He has a large range that would cover many aspects of Daredevil's character.

[Stu]

I've never been too sure who to cast for Daredevil's voice. I actually found Ben Affleck to be great in the feature film, but even in this stage in his career, he's not going to be a full time voice actor.

One storyarc from Daredevil I really enjoyed was Parts Of A Hole. Do you think Echo could be made into an interesting character in a cartoon?

[The Overlord]

Tom Jane would be excellent for an animated Punisher. One thing I liked about MTV's CGI Spider-Man cartoon was bringing in Duncan to voice the Kingpin on the cartoon as well. It was a great tie-in to the movie. As for Daredevil he'd be a hard one to get the right voice for. Would George Neubern from Justice League Unlimited fit? He has a large range that would cover many aspects of Daredevil's character.

I don't think Neubern would work, has he ever done a Daredevil like character? I liked Edward Albert the guy who voiced DD in Spider-Man TAS. As for Kingpin, Duncan is okay voice wise, but I like Roscoe Lee Brown better, he gave the Kingpin a real smooth voice. But I'm wondering who should voice the characters who never appeared in animation yet, Bullseye, Purple Man (while aside from that one X-Men episode for Killgrave), Elektra, Mr. Hyde, etc

[Wonderwall]

Im not to sure who should voice DD, I don't really hear Newbern doing it. Edward Albert I don't really remember what his voice sounded like? Didn't he have a deep voice? I also want to say JEff Bennett but Im not sure if he could make a DD like voice, but he is versitile so who knows. Frank Welker as Man Bull...just cuz he can:D . I would really like to hear Neil Patrick Harris as someone like Mr Fear or maybe even Bullseye, he has a nice quality to his voice that I like. Echo would be awesome to have in a DD cartoon, I can imagine her fighting DD but in total silence( as if you were seeing from her perspective ) then have DD trick her into going in the dark and being helpless, leaving her crying in the dark, whoa symbolic i know:p . ALso maybe even having her a mute would be cool too so that would really make her relationship with MAtt interesting.

[ifthismeansevos]

Mmm I don't know but kinna out of topic if DD it's just a special guest then Affleck could do it. He's pretty good He's the voice inside my mind when I'm reading a comic. But I have no idea who could do the voice for a series. Maybe one of the VA of Evo they were good but I'm not sure

[The Overlord]

They wouldn't get Affleck, that would just be a wate of money and its not needed. As for getting an Evolution VA, first of all which one and second they would have to do the voice recording in Vancouver, I would rather the voice recording be done in LA.

To decide whether Edward Albert did a good job or not, you listen to some voice clips here: http://www.geocities.com/marvel_megalomaniac/kingpin/kingpin.html

Of course Dee Baker did the voice of DD in first Spider-Man game for PS1 and I thought he did a okay job as well.

[Wonderwall]

DD is a tough character to cast, the man is supposed to be bitter and emotionally fragile, yet you don't want him too come off as Batman, who is the pster boy of that kind of attitude and voice. I really dont dig that deep voice that Ed gave DD, and I don't remember what he sounded like in the spider man game. I cant really remember who did his voice in the Punisher game but I thought he sounded alright as Matt.

[The Overlord]

DD is a tough character to cast, the man is supposed to be bitter and emotionally fragile, yet you don't want him too come off as Batman, who is the pster boy of that kind of attitude and voice. I really dont dig that deep voice that Ed gave DD, and I don't remember what he sounded like in the spider man game. I cant really remember who did his voice in the Punisher game but I thought he sounded alright as Matt.

I kinda like the deep voice, but I'm not married to it. I didn't like Affleck as DD so I really wouldn't want him to voice DD in a cartoon, plus he would be too expensive.

Steve Blum did Murdock's voice in the Punisher game, where he also did the voice of Bullseye.

Also regrading your suggestion for Neil Patrick Harris as Bullseye or Mr. fear, is that serious suggestion? Harris voices little boys and teenagers for the most part. His voice is not tough or creepy enough to voice either Mr. fear or Bullseye.

[Wonderwall]

Well having NPH as Bullseye or Mr Fear, maybe not, but I know that having him around would be cool. I was thinking he could do that weird voice of Ray in JL for somebody, Im not sure why those 2 names came up though. MAybe as Leapfrog or Matador. But I have a pretty good choice in Bullseye that Im suprised I didnt think of before, but I think Wentworth Miller from Prison Break would be great.

Edit: Actually now that I think about it I actually think Wentworth could be an awesome Daredevil, what do you guys think?