C&C - Fullmetal Alchemist - "Laws and Promises" [3/18 SERIES FINALE]

[Tienshin]

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[XOMiss_Samantha]

Well...this is it....(till the movie at least)
*sobs*
I hate it when shows end, but i think i'll hate FMA being over the most.:crying: :crying:

[Artimus Gigan]

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THIS IS IT, THIS IS THE END!
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[NahMan85]

I must say Hawkeye looks quite the tasty dish if I do say so myself. Why does what's her name look like a puck rocker? And that that last one with those two looks tight. :D

[Strollymonster]

Well, it's come to this...the cataclysmic conclusion of Fullmetal Alchemist. It's been quite a ride, and I hope this is a memorable episode.

[LordTerminal]

Weird disclaimer. Oh and sped up opening too.

[Don_East]

Double Disclaimer'd!

[Obi]

Two disclaimers, sweet.

And a...sped up opening.

[Duke]

Can someone transcribe the disclaimer?

[Djm912]

The Archinator.

[email2003]

BUT I DON'T WANNA END IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:crying:

[djthomp]

"Just in case that last disclaimer wasn't enough, this episode contains extreme violence.

We would rather run this than cut the violence from the episode because we are American Cowboys."

[Humble]

That disclaimer was appropriate.

-Humble

[FlyByNite77]

Maybe Wrath is actually Pride's son, he's as stupid as his adopted son.

Well stupider since Wrath actually knew what the remnants of Sloth's body were ;)

[Dub]

............


holy crap...

[Djm912]

The stupid Elrics.

I almost wish Dante won.

[Dub]

Geez - is EVERYBODY DEAD?!?!?!

[LordTerminal]

Roy can't be dead! He's too kickass.:crying:

[Obi]

A....dragon?

[NahMan85]

now can you believe that folks. Sike I knew that. :D Hey Ed is back to normal. Holy mother of god. Looks like someone is going to be dinner. Ouch that has to hurt. Man Mustang is dead. I knew he was going to die but damn not like that. Hawkeye was just a second too late. Oh well. What the hell is Ed doing now...Oh damn is he...Well I already know so what am I yapping about? Nothing.

[GWOtaku]

I almost wish Dante won.
You sir, suck. A lot.

On another note, Roy killing the Fuherer only to be shot by Archer has to top the irony list here.

[FlyByNite77]

A....dragon?

Yea, well Serpent/snake/dragon whatever. Looks like the kinda thing you see in the alchemy ouroboros symbol thing.

[One Radical Dude]

Alphonse can't be gone. :sad: Same goes for Roy -- he kicked major butt..

[Djm912]

I'm really disliking both Elrics right now.

I wish Izumi was around to smack some sense into both of them again.

[Scorpio_G]

^

Yeah dude, STFU! :mad:

( I know free society and speech and all but you gotta deal whith the coniquences of what you said. :anime: )

::Wails arms::: OMGOMGOMG! END COMERCIAL!

No wonder this epp got double warnings.

[Anime Freak]

Eh, well so far only Envy and Pride have died in this eppy so far and we don't know if Dante+Gluttony are gone (but I assume we'll find out in the movie).

[FlyByNite77]

Boys try to bring mother back to life, one loses body other loses arm & leg search for philosopher's stone.

Get stone. One boy dies. Other boy uses up philosophers stone and dies to bring him back.

Other one dies and brings him back.

This could be funny if they both die and save the other one over and over ;)

[Timmay]

Mustang's final line always seems a tad bit out of character if you ask me.

[LordTerminal]

Whew Mustang's alive.

[Duke]

Heh, Riza's wearing a mini-skirt for her man.

[Djm912]

Boys try to bring mother back to life, one loses body other loses arm & leg search for philosopher's stone.

Get stone. One boy dies. Other boy uses up philosophers stone and dies to bring him back.

Other one dies and brings him back.


All the while, I'm banging my head on my desk.

[Timmay]

They changed the scene with Mustang. In the Japanese version, he had bandages over his eye, not the eyepatch.

Don't know what version you're talking about.. I'm looking at the japanese right now and it's eyepatch.

[Duke]

I have a stupid question that's been bugging me since the series started: Where did the Elrics originally get Al's armor?

[Dub]

The Secret Thule Society?!

VERY interesting. I know the movie continues where the show left off, but I wasnt expecting that bit of history...

[B.K.]

Don't know what version you're talking about.. I'm looking at the japanese right now and it's eyepatch.

Yeah, I just checked. I was wrong. I thought he had bandages over that eye.

[Timmay]

I have a stupid question that's been bugging me since the series started: Where did the Elrics originally get Al's armor?
Made by Hoenheim (one would assume) it was in his study where they performed the transmutation.

[Bubblegum Girl]

Man what a way to end a series....

At least there's the manga to read and the movie to look forward to. ;)

[Scirel]

The Secret Thule Society?!

VERY interesting. I know the movie continues where the show left off, but I wasnt expecting that bit of history...

Movie has a lot of WW2 tidbits like that.

[Duke]

o.O Why is Ed's automail dead? Shouldn't it still be working?

[Timmay]

o.O Why is Ed's automail dead? Shouldn't it still be working? It's the one he made with the pistol after it broke. Not the good one from Winry.

EDIT: And if you're wondering why his automail in the end looks good, cinematic purposes..

[GWOtaku]

GAh, what an ending. Bring on the freaking movie.

[NahMan85]

The ending that isn't really an ending. If that makes any sense at all. :sweat:

[Jack Frenzy]

Now that was unexpected.

Hohenheim hanging with the Thule Society and Karl Haushofer in 1921.

That would make him a member of the Nazi Party.

[Duke]

It's the one he made with the pistol after it broke. Not the good one from Winry.
But...


EDIT: And if you're wondering why his automail in the end looks good, cinematic purposes..
...Damn you. That's a crappy reason.

[Jay]

Kinda makes you a little teary,but this is what anime shows are made of., i'll never forget this show.

[Animeforever'04]

crap now i ahve to wait for the movie!:sad:

[Strollymonster]

...

...

...

*brain explodes*

GREATEST ENDING EVER!

I can't even wrap my brain around it right now...

[Scirel]

Now that was unexpected.

Hohenheim hanging with the Thule Society and Karl Haushofer in 1921.

That would make him a member of the Nazi Party.

Nothing is as it seems. You can pretty much take that epilogue there as a teaser for the movie.

[Timmay]

Now just imagine that there were only 50 episodes, and they left the 51st for the movie.

[Duke]

As an ending, it kinda crapped out near the end, since it wanted to set up the movie. A decent ending, but not the best ever.

I still don't get why Ed's automail crapped out. Even if it is his version, it should still work a little bit.

[Scorpio_G]

Now everything would have been awesome if AS threw in a homebrew trailer for the movie. :anime:

BTW, they're going to show it in Augest, right?

[Samurai Rocko]

A perfect ending to an excellent series. I hope Adult Swim can find another series just as compelling. 5/5

[Scirel]

As an ending, it kinda crapped out near the end, since it wanted to set up the movie. A decent ending, but not the best ever.

I still don't get why Ed's automail crapped out. Even if it is his version, it should still work a little bit.

Extremely minor movie spoilers:

Hohenheim spent a lot fo time making new automail with what he could from our world technology for Ed. It's not as good as winry's in that its movement is more limited, but it serves his purposes.

[Dub]

Now that was unexpected.

Hohenheim hanging with the Thule Society and Karl Haushofer in 1921.

That would make him a member of the Nazi Party.
I was thinking the EXACT same thing. ESPECIALLY Haushofer's line about something that had the word "Aryan" in it. I dont remember exactly what was said. Either way it makes for a very interesting premise. "The good guys" so to speak trolling alongside the "bad guys". HOWEVER - wasn't Winston Churchill mentioned in one of the previous eps as someone that Hohenheim was going to meet? I'm curious as to where Hohenheim and Edward stand in the terms of WW2 history as reference to the FMA series. Its an especially interesting setup if you ask me.

[Timmay]

As an ending, it kinda crapped out near the end, since it wanted to set up the movie. A decent ending, but not the best ever.

I still don't get why Ed's automail crapped out. Even if it is his version, it should still work a little bit.

Nothing makes sense in this anime, pull the wool over your eyes and get smacked around by twist after twist. Best way to enjoy it

[Mrs._Tom_Ato]

...Am I the only person crying like a little b**** right now? :crying:

[bluedeucedodge]

Great ending to the series.... Well sort of. I am anxiously awaiting the dub for the movie. It really puts things into perspective.

[Djm912]

What a "let's get em ready for the movie" ending.

Maybe it's just my misanthropy talking, but the whole "Ed and Al not giving up and still believing in equivalent exchange" feel from the last segment just leaves me damn hell ass freaking exasperated angry, annoyed and confused.

The monologue from Dante 2 or 3 episodes back for me was the best thing I had ever seen in this series, and Ed let it go in one ear and out the other.

Well, bring on the movie.

[bishop083]

Ya know, I'm pleased with what I've just seen. It made up for pretty much EVERY SINGLE TIME they screwed with us during the series. It brought things together nicely, and it set us up for the movies perfectly. I was expecting something, well, less gratifying. But that's what I get for listening to my college buddies.

[FlyByNite77]

As an ending, it kinda crapped out near the end, since it wanted to set up the movie. A decent ending, but not the best ever.

I still don't get why Ed's automail crapped out. Even if it is his version, it should still work a little bit.

Probably because he's apparently been living over on 'our side' for awhile. Think about it, the first time he went over it was 1916. So has he been there 5 years?

Or did he enter the gate the second time and come out years later?

Either way during that time he apparently ended up with his automail damaged and since there's no such thing as automail in our world it probably wasn't capable of being repaired properly.

[One Radical Dude]

This isn't an ending, this is more like the end of the beginning. I've really enjoyed the series, and the ending leaves you asking for more FMA. It's great to see Al live again, but I hope the brothers can reunite in the future.

[Captain Zechs]

Beautiful.

Simply the best word to describe this series, just the way it flows, it is simply amazing, and the ending was well done. Dante, I think should have gone a different way, and I loved how Al and Ed, are now in seperate worlds, yet thinking so much alike.

Episode: 10/10

Series: 9/10

[Demon_Child]

Probably because he's apparently been living over on 'our side' for awhile. Think about it, the first time he went over it was 1916. So has he been there 5 years?

Or did he enter the gate the second time and come out years later?

Either way during that time he apparently ended up with his automail damaged and since there's no such thing as automail in our world it probably wasn't capable of being repaired properly.

No, the gate can lead you anywhere so I think Edward went back to London met up with Hoenhiem and they went to Munich so Hoenhiem could be involved with the Thule Society. So in any case Edward remains 16.

But anyway dispite this movie being a total commercial for the movie I loved the living crap out of it. It was just so touching, the love between the brothers and the first time I saw it I was just bawling.

[judyindisguise]

I'm not ashamed to admit I teared up a bit during this episode. Suffice it to say I've rarely felt as satisfied with an ending as I have with this one. This was damn beautiful. I hope we see more of Al and Ed in the very near future.

[Humble]

I still don't get why Ed's automail crapped out. Even if it is his version, it should still work a little bit.I think that Ed had jumped into his parallel self again. The other Ed probably lost his arm and leg in the zeppelin wreckage.

-Humble

[XOMiss_Samantha]

Wow
Ultra aweome series. I cried at the end..i did..:crying: It's heart breaking!!!Its over!NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Roy looks really good with an eye patch and i laughed when every one thought he had died. Hes ROY he doesnt die..hes just too cool:anime:
I cant wait to see the movie in English now.
Why was there that thing at the beginning? I didnt see THAT much blood and violence except for a little blood on Roy.

129381209381092830123/10 FOR THE SERIES!

[Malex]

There you have it folks, the end of the Fullmetal Alchemist series. I may have wept a tear at the end with Alphonse's monologue about equivalent exchange. Seeing all of the characters from the series for a "final" time was very nostalgic.

I loved how the final episode builds up for the movie. I thing most of the questions everyone is thinking right now is answered in the movie. There is just so much to look forward to in the future. This is not the end just a new beginning.

[SirLemming]

So this was basically the same as Scryed's ending, right? [/mostly joking]

[Jay]

Wow
Ultra aweome series. I cried at the end..i did..:crying: It's heart breaking!!!Its over!NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Roy looks really good with an eye patch and i laughed when every one thought he had died. Hes ROY he doesnt die..hes just too cool:anime:
I cant wait to see the movie in English now.
Why was there that thing at the beginning? I didnt see THAT much blood and violence except for a little blood on Roy.

129381209381092830123/10 FOR THE SERIES!

The little kid getting choke and dying probably needed a disclaimer.

[The Myst]

Quite frankly, it felt like a real cop-out. Maybe the movie will resolve things but still feel like it was a cop-out to leave Ed in the other world with Hohenheim without his restored limbs. I mean, yeah, Al got his body back. Great. But Ed was the real main character and he ended up getting a raw deal. Plus, they didn't even explain how the hell he restored Al's body and everything. It just didn't sit well with me. Maybe I'll like it more in the re-airing later or when I see the movie. I was just really kinda hoping that Ed would get his limbs back, Al would get his body back, and everybody would live happily ever after. It felt unfinished the way it ended. They were seperated and the final thought is how Ed is still trying to get back to his own world. Maybe that's what the movie's about?

Of course, I'm not a big fan of the whole "close out a series with plots unresolved for a movie that ties up loose ends" thing. It's a cheap way to make money off a movie. Neon Genesis Evangelion did it and I hate that show. I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't mind having movies based on the show like Inuyasha or Dragonball Z or Cowboy Bebop. But to intentionally leave things unresolved in the final episode to force you to watch the movie is kinda low. Actually though, Inuyasha may be planning on doing that. The show ends without resolution and instead the story is still going in the manga. When it finishes in the manga, it may end up pulling the series-ending movie thing.

But back to FMA, despite the fact that the show didn't end how I wanted, or end at all really, I'm still looking forward to the movie and I give it the following rating.

Rating: B

The B is for leaving things still unresolved, for deviating from the manga so badly over the last season (All episodes past the deviation get points off for that.), and the weak way they got rid of Termin-Archer. A few gun shots takes down an unstoppable killing machine like him? Bull****.

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In Loving Memorium. >_>

[XOMiss_Samantha]

Does anybody know about the 'Revlations' epsiode and if they're gunna show it or not? Its soposted to sum up the whole series with the narration of the characters.

[GWOtaku]

There is an extremely problematic plot point in the ending that should be pointed out. Ed is stuck on one side of the gate in our world trying to get back. Al has his body back and is basically following in Ed's footsteps with his zeal to study alchemy in order to discover a way to bring Ed back to the FMA world. Putting aside Ed's efforts, how can Al possibly accomplish this? More specifically, how can he accomplish it without sacrificing any part of himself, or Ed, or anyone or anything else? On the surface it seems like the only way Al can succeed in a way he would be satisfied with is to manage to get something for nothing, which is contradictory to everything we've been told in the series to date.

The only way this is possible is with the philosophers stone, but after everything that's happened that's not something either Elric brother considers an option. We're left with this optimistic idea that through determination they'll meet again, but to do so either certain core premises if the series will have to be overturned completely, or Ed and Al will have to do something extremely stupid.

Obviously, this is what the movie was probably made to address. What I suspect is some third party from either side of the world (probably Ed's) will pursue and/or create some means that can accomplish what the Elrics want to do, and they'll try to take advantage of it. Who knows. But what I'm trying to get at here is that its very problematic that after everything that happened in the series, Al seems poised to try to do what Ed was trying to do from the beginning. Whereas most of the cast seems be developing, I find it disconcerting that Al seems to be repeating a cycle that (in my opinion) can't lead to anywhere.

FMA is definitely an A grade show, but this is an angle that I find troublesome.

[Ryan227]

About Ed's automail not working, I always thought that it was because automail, like alchemy, doesn't exist on this side of the gate and so they're just prosthetic limbs he has on this side was that wrong?

The ending was interesting, pretty sad... not crazy sad like I thought it was going to be :p

[judyindisguise]

There's gonna be a movie? Oh thank god.

[WolfieKiwi]

"Just in case that last disclaimer wasn't enough, this episode contains extreme violence.

We would rather run this than cut the violence from the episode because we are American Cowboys."

That was just priceless in my opinion.

The ending was good (sudden urge to see the movie now)
Appreciated the "will be" happy ending for Ed and Al.
I'm also glad that Roy's alive...and with Riza.

[Strollymonster]

That was just priceless in my opinion.

The ending was good (sudden urge to see the movie now)
Appreciated the "will be" happy ending for Ed and Al.
I'm also glad that Roy's alive...and with Riza.

Now I've got to fight the urge to go watch the Japanese version of the movie for the next half-year...

I'd really like a good, clear screencap of the Grand Arcanum circle that Ed was standing on in the end...

[Lachesis]

Maybe it's just my misanthropy talking, but the whole "Ed and Al not giving up and still believing in equivalent exchange" feel from the last segment just leaves me damn hell ass freaking exasperated angry, annoyed and confused.


Mmm, not exactly. Remember in Al's monologue that he no longer believes equivalent exchange is the law that governs everything - it's more like a promise he needs to keep. I take that to mean that he'll put in the work to bring Ed back, in the hope that his efforts will pay off and lead to success someday.

So it's not an absolute truth for the brothers anymore. It's more like an ideal, that they can use to their own ends. Make sense?

[FlyByNite77]

I'm also glad that Roy's alive...and with Riza.

and Riza's trying to cheer Roy up by looking sexy as hell. Cheers to that!
:nurse:

[FireStarterLE]

Jim Carey: "b-e-a-utiful" .A good ending to a great series. And now the thoughts

Pride killing his "son" just because he was weakening him with the skull, that's just wrong. Mustang turning Bradley into a lantern, that's years and years worth of built up anger put into the form of ass kicking payback!

Riza sure can shoot a gun, it only took her about 5 shots to bring Archanator down (whom i really didnt see shooting Mustang .. i thought she made it there just in time?). I'm sure Riza has to give credit to Izumi and the rest of the military who fought with Archer for weakening him so much that all she had to do was shoot him a couple of times

Roy's not dead, that's good. And now he has the looks to become the next Fuhrer (eye patch over left eye). But it looked like the old General Roy beat at chess earlier in the series was put as intern Fuhrer for the time being

Ed and Als decisions and their "fates?" ..... that was :shrug: :confused:

[Djm912]

Mmm, not exactly. Remember in Al's monologue that he no longer believes equivalent exchange is the law that governs everything - it's more like a promise he needs to keep. I take that to mean that he'll put in the work to bring Ed back, in the hope that his efforts will pay off and lead to success someday.

So it's not an absolute truth for the brothers anymore. It's more like an ideal, that they can use to their own ends. Make sense?
It still rubs me the wrong way. Not that that they are trying to find each other again, but the fact that Alphonse is going to try and do it...through alchemy. That I find borderline infuriating.
The whole series, we saw the atrocities of alchemy through the homonculi and all of their disastrous acts, not to mention the angst on all of the characters. My only question is why Al is continuing the cycle. If he really believes that he can find his brother again through alchemy.....*sigh*...grrrr.

[Duke]

It still rubs me the wrong way. Not that that they are trying to find each other again, but the fact that Alphonse is going to try and do it...through alchemy. That I find borderline infuriating.
The whole series, we saw the atrocities of alchemy through the homonculi and all of their disastrous acts, not to mention the angst on all of the characters. My only question is why Al is continuing the cycle. If he really believes that he can find his brother again through alchemy.....*sigh*...grrrr.
Well, Al doesn't have much of a choice. He needs to reach the gate in order to bring Ed back, and the only way he can do that is via Alchemy.

[Hyper Shadow X]

Would have liked the fight with Pride to have been longer.

[beren]

Al has no memories of the time period between when they tried to bring his mother back and when Ed brought him back. I imagine even if someone did tell Al all the terrible, horrible things that happened, the truth about the philosphers stone, he would probably do exactly what Ed and metal Al did, follow it through till the end.

[Scorpio_G]

I was thinking the EXACT same thing. ESPECIALLY Haushofer's line about something that had the word "Aryan" in it. I dont remember exactly what was said. Either way it makes for a very interesting premise. "The good guys" so to speak trolling alongside the "bad guys". HOWEVER - wasn't Winston Churchill mentioned in one of the previous eps as someone that Hohenheim was going to meet? Its an especially interesting setup if you ask me.

Yeah, I belive that in the last eppisode someone did blurbed out Churchill's name.

Might as well blurb out some German History for a bit.

Let's see what I can remember from my Mod Europe History class without looking at my required reading stuff....too late I peaked.:sweat:

Now Germany's pride before WWI was astronomical. They felt that their way of life was 'superior' than the other European countries at that time especially the bourgeoisie, whom I asume Daddy Elric is asociated with because Aristocrats did not frequently associate with the Bourgeouise and Bourgeouise hardly mix in with the working class unless they were working for the Bourgeouise. Now phesants is another story. As well as catholic germans.:sweat:

The german people or bourgeoisie believed in hardwork, competition, achievement, and reward/reconition. Which kind of reminded me of the Law-err-Theory of Equivelent Echange in Al's world. They also lived their lives with rational thought and lived with laws and ruels; weather it was home rules like always keeping clean, education whatever or laws that governed the land.

Now imagine after being defeated on WWI and signing a contract stating you lost and you have to pay, and if you remember High School History II Germany had to pay heavy fines so it really hit the German Bougouise hard. Because of their lost of country spirit the Germans created the Aryan concept, an idividual that has 'perfect' genes and an apperance and thru their lost of home spirit Hitler show up who envisioned to the Germans that Germany was a superior country/race and, well the Germans/Bougouise ate it up. It doesnt mean they're bad. It was just propaganda fed into their heads.

This doesnt mean Ed or his father is bad or any of the German people they associate themselves with is bad. They're just hanging out during the time when Hitler and the Nazi's are taking control of the country which is about...right now I believe....

...This series is a must have for required Anime viewing! I wonder how the manga stacks up to it! I give FMA The Series (b'-'b That's two thumbs up!


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I hope Al and Ed get back togeather again!
No crossdressing pics today. Sorry.






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I lie sometiems but you gotta admit...
Al looks cuite in white and Ed looks great in black. ;)
Was fun freaking you guys out!

[Jack Frenzy]

I was thinking the EXACT same thing. ESPECIALLY Haushofer's line about something that had the word "Aryan" in it. I dont remember exactly what was said. Either way it makes for a very interesting premise. "The good guys" so to speak trolling alongside the "bad guys". HOWEVER - wasn't Winston Churchill mentioned in one of the previous eps as someone that Hohenheim was going to meet? I'm curious as to where Hohenheim and Edward stand in the terms of WW2 history as reference to the FMA series. Its an especially interesting setup if you ask me.

The incident in London was set in 1916 during WWI. From the reference to "Lt. Col. Churchill," I believe it coincided with the period when Churchill was disowned by the British government over the Gallipoli disaster and spent some time with the British Army on the Western Front.

However, tonight's Munich scenes were identified as Post-WWI 1921.

Karl Haushofer was a major contributor to Nazi mythology. Having spent time in the Far East and become an expert on Oriental mysticism, he returned to Germany and began formulating the idea that Germans were descended from some lost East European/Asiatic super-race. His comments to Hohenheim were basically along those lines.

[PickHut]

So Envy became the Eternal Dragon and went to the Dragonball universe..... it's all starting to make sense now.

A crap load of stuff happened in this episode, but Pride killing is son was what stuck out the most. Man, that was all kinds of messed up. The episode was good, but it would've been nice if they fleshed most of the moments out in the previous episode or two. While the episode had a good pacing, it STILL felt like they were stuffing too much in this final episode. Hmm, I liked the ending; it had closure, despite having a feel of open-endedness.

I give LaP an A-.

I give the series a B. FMA is an interesting series, but it certainly had its fair share of ups and downs. The first half was certainly watchable, and had a few blah moments, but it was all over the place during the second half. There were times that it felt like it was dragging because they needed to fill in some extra time.

[Tienshin]

Double Disclaimer'd!

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[AlienOmega]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/Tienshin/warning3ag.jpgOh man, I love those guys.

....

In a totally heterosexual way, of course.

[Jedah Dohma]

I'm not sure how to describe the ending, but I loved it! What a beautiful ending and really makes me pumped for the movie. :anime:

The action throughout this episode was great. Mustang was on fire tonight and liked how he took care of the Fuhrer/Pride. I was disturbed when the Fuhrer killed his "son" like that. I didn't even mind Archer going out like that by Riza's gunshots. I'm glad Roy got to live.

It truly was nostaglic to see almost all the characters throughout the series. I was touched.

The ending though... Man, the dialogue by Alphonse. " [...] But the world isn't perfect and the law is incomplete. Equivalent exchange doesn't encompass everything that goes on here. But I still choose to believe in its principle. All things do come at a price that there's an end and a flow. A cycle. The pain we went through did have a reward. And that anyone that's determined and preseveres will give something value in return. Even if it's not what they expected. I don't think of Equivalent exchange as a law anymore. I think of it as a promise between my brother and me. A promise... We'll see each other again." (Feel free to correct me if I missed out on any words or misintrepreted anything).

Excellent series. The best action/anime series [as] has broadcasted since Cowboy Bebop (IMO).

I rate this episode a 10/10 and the whole series a 9.7/10 (a few minor nitpicks here and there and some confusing points.) Other than that, looking forward to the movie and will read the mangas. :)

[Lord Mawdryn]

Naturally, someone spoiled the ending of FMA for me months ago, but I was lucky enough not to get all of the details. I knew that Ed and Al were going to be separated at the end of the series, but that's about it.

Definitely one of the more bittersweet endings to any series ever--regardless if anime or live-action. On one hand it was a happy ending, but on another it wasn't, of course. It did leave hope that the Elric brothers would one day find each other, and I'd rather a series end with that small bit of optimism than with everybody dead and gone--or worst yet, another "WTF?" ending...

[Riza Hawkeye]

I'd really like a good, clear screencap of the Grand Arcanum circle that Ed was standing on in the end...
Do you mean this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/bscap000.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA120.jpg

I'll be back later with screens of the full episode...there's a lot of them...

[Sanwich]

Just... geez. Wow. Awesomeness! Must see movie, darnit! >_>

Anyway, I'm sure there are a good deal of plotholes if you really examine these last few episodes... but I don't really care. It was still a great ride. There are some things I'm sure everyone's wondering - like what the heck exactly happened to Envy, Dante, Gluttony, etc. I don't know if they'll be addressed in the film, but I hope at least some of them will.

It's great that Al got his body back too, though that whole memory loss thing sort of bothered me a little... I mean, did everyone else go back and tell Al exactly what happened during those lost years, or is he just going on some vague descriptions? Hopefully he at least can learn from the frigging past and not try anything crazy (like bringing people back to life) again.

Also, I'm slightly confused on the age thing now. I mean, if Ed was 15 (16? I have no idea... I totally forget) when he 'died' and then came back, and Al was brought back as his own 10-year-old self, does that mean they're now 5 or 6 years apart? And... how old exactly were each of them at the very end? I'm not good with remembering ages and dates, sorry. n_-;

[Master Moron]

The little kid getting choke and dying probably needed a disclaimer.

We just saw a little kid get choked to death a few weeks ago in Evangelion.

By the way, I noticed when Riza shot Archer she only shot his human half. I was thinking that maybe only his left side is bullet proof. Though, I think I remember his right side taking some bullets a few episodes ago...hmmm...maybe his BACK right side is the only vulnerable spot?

By the way, back near the beginning of the series when Envy said that he didn't remember what his original body looked like, I was thinking that it was Al's body, after all Al's limbs ended up on a homonculi, so you'd figure Al's body would end up on a homonculi, but that wasn't the case...so...where was Al's body all this time?

[Strollymonster]

Thanks for the caps...I need to find a picture with just that design so I can figure out a way to draw it effectively, even if it means tracing it...I've got some ideas about combining it with the Ouroboros and the Flamel symbol.

Alas, I gotta find a simple pattern of that to print off...thanks greatly for the screencaps!

[Scorpio_G]

Just... geez. Wow. Awesomeness! Must see movie, darnit! >_>

Anyway, I'm sure there are a good deal of plotholes if you really examine these last few episodes... but I don't really care. It was still a great ride. There are some things I'm sure everyone's wondering - like what the heck exactly happened to Envy, Dante, Gluttony, etc. I don't know if they'll be addressed in the film, but I hope at least some of them will.

It's great that Al got his body back too, though that whole memory loss thing sort of bothered me a little... I mean, did everyone else go back and tell Al exactly what happened during those lost years, or is he just going on some vague descriptions? Hopefully he at least can learn from the frigging past and not try anything crazy (like bringing people back to life) again.

Also, I'm slightly confused on the age thing now. I mean, if Ed was 15 (16? I have no idea... I totally forget) when he 'died' and then came back, and Al was brought back as his own 10-year-old self, does that mean they're now 5 or 6 years apart? And... how old exactly were each of them at the very end? I'm not good with remembering ages and dates, sorry. n_-;

I assume they filled in Al what happened in the past because (and I'm assuming) he forgot everything but you have to remember they didnt experience everythig since they were left behind. I guess Ed will have to tell Al everything if they do get togeather.

Oh and I always equate the age of Hughe's daughter to remember how old Ed and Al is. She's probably either seven or six years old since she was four/five when Hughes bite the dust and Ed joined the Military when he was 15 so 15+4=19+2(I assumed 2 years went by after Hughes death)=21 for Ed and 18 for Al or 22 if Hughe's daughter was five at his death.

Now this is interesting because now Hughes dauther is 5 or 6 years younger than Al. ;) I wonder if time is different in Al's world.

[Timmay]

By the way, back near the beginning of the series when Envy said that he didn't remember what his original body looked like, I was thinking that it was Al's body, after all Al's limbs ended up on a homonculi, so you'd figure Al's body would end up on a homonculi, but that wasn't the case...so...where was Al's body all this time?

Well uh, in the anime i'm pretty sure it just disappeared.. but in the manga Al's body is stuck inside the gate and for some reasons that I'm STILL foggy on, is connected to Ed. Which is why Ed is short and has to eat alot; Al's growth is connected to Ed.. making Al a bit of anorexic person when we see him inside the gate.

[Riza Hawkeye]

Thanks for the caps...I need to find a picture with just that design so I can figure out a way to draw it effectively, even if it means tracing it...I've got some ideas about combining it with the Ouroboros and the Flamel symbol.

Alas, I gotta find a simple pattern of that to print off...thanks greatly for the screencaps!
You're welcome, but if you were only looking for the array...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/more%20images/GrandArcanum.jpg

[Dim Reaper]

I thought it was a good ending, since it was a set-up for the movie. I give it a B+.

HOWEVER, if it wasn't a set-up for a movie, second series, or other method of wrapping things up that doesn't involve a videogame or commercial for the manga, I'd give it a D, because I don't like it when things get left hanging like this and never get followed up on.

My only complaint is Al not having any memories of what went on, because it gives an opening for the argument that metal Al may not have been the real Al after all. (Which I don't believe, by the way; I just think the loss of memories is a side effect of being restored to normal)

FMA has, in my opinion, had the best voice acting of any anime show that has aired on Adult Swim since The Big O. (Weak re-casting of Norman the butler in the second season and Sherry `apparently only does once voice and its Sasami' Lynn doing a kid's voice in an episode aside) I'm going to miss it, and wish it had lasted at least another dozen episodes.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

That was awesome(probably would have been even better if I wasn't watching it drunk at 3 AM!)!

I knew Roy would survive(someone on another forum mentioned he was in the movie), but I was surprised that pretty much everyone survived. The ending was great, and I can't wait to see the movie.

I was shocked that Wrath lives on, and with automail, I wonder what will happen in the movie.

What about Envy? He's seemingly stuck in the gate, but I think that could have some ramifications. And I'm unclear about Gluttony. He ate Dante, right? Did he die after that, or is he still alive somewhere? It'd suck if one of the cooler sins(in recent episodes) got an offscreen death.

All in all, Fullmetal Alchemist is one kick ass show.

30/10

[G1Ravage]

...Wow. I'm having trouble processing what I just watched.

But off the top of my head, I must say I'm very disappointed with the return of human Al. I mean, I didn't know it was going to happen, there was no set up, so suspense...just all of a sudden, cut to a few years later, and Al magically has his body back, he has no memories of anything that happened, and he's back in Resembool. I'd been waiting for this moment for a year now, and I expected it to be more dramatic than that.

[PBalfredo]

Does anyone know when the English version of the movie is coming out? I think they did a wonderful job with the english dub in this series, so I'd rather wait for the domestic version than switch gears and watch the fansub.

I'm really glad that they devoted half of the episode towards the epilogue (even if this really isn't the end). It's nice seeing what happened to the other characters. I'm really surprised that Wraith survived, and got fixed up with automail to boot. I wonder if he'll ever figure out Izumi was his real mother and not Sloth (well, maybe not real, but close enough as far as homunculi go). It was also interesting to see the Rockbells, Rose and Izumi all hanging out like one big extended family. I guess there is nothing left in Lior for Rose to return to.

Am I crazy, or was there another baby shown in the epilogue that was not Rose's baby?

There is still the problem that Ed and Al are in seperate worlds, but it's pretty hopeful they will be reunited in the movie. What I'm really wondering is what happened to Dante, Gluttony and Envy. We have no idea what the outcome of the fight between Dante and Gluttony was, so they could both still be alive. Although it looked like Envy was about to get his come-uppence for trying to go through the gate, it looks like he may have made it through. He might even still have his morphing powers on the other side since he was able to morph all he wanted in the last episode in front of Al, and it wasn't considered alchemy enough to activate the stone. Or at least not the kind that would activate the stone, since it's just a reaction on himself.

[Riza Hawkeye]

Does anyone know when the English version of the movie is coming out? I think they did a wonderful job with the english dub in this series, so I'd rather wait for the domestic version than switch gears and watch the fansub.
October 3, 2006


Am I crazy, or was there another baby shown in the epilogue that was not Rose's baby?
A couple years have passed when the epilogue happens and there's an additional 2 years from the time the series ends to when the movie takes place.

Also, I'm too tired to post all the screencaps I made from the episode, but I should be able to post them tomorrow before I go to work.

[email2003]

We have to wait until October 3rd for the movie? I can't wait that long.

Goodbye FMA. To be honest, I wasn't really a fan of the series when it first began. But then they switched it over to weeknights and I gave it a chance and began to love the series. But now, it's over. Thanks for the memories!


"Greatest anime I have ever seen!" - email2003
You can quote me on that!

As for the final episode, man, where to begin.


I feel sorry for the King Bradleys kid being killed. That was just so low.:sad:
Nice way to kill off Bradley by Mustang.
So when Robo-Archer came in shooting at Roy, censored or uncensored, did they ever show the scene where he got his eye shot?
It's stupid to think Envy was going to the Gate to find his old man but instead probably got killed in the process?
So did Glutony kill or eat Dante!?
I have to agree on one thing though, it was kinda of crappy how Al just somehow magicly got his human body back so fast.
Who ever said Hawkeye and Mustang never had a thing for each other!?:sweat:
So in the end, Ed is in that "other world" and really doesn't know how that happen? Am I right!? And now he's trying to find a way back to his real world to meet up with Al.
It's sad that this series is over. Now Adult Swim on Saturdays will feel empty now. So, now what guys!? What other anime can top this series?

IT'S OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

[Tea]

I'll be honest, I was a little disappointed with the ending. I knew it would be bitter-sweet, but I wasn't expecting something this open-ended. What happened with Dante? All I remember seeing is Gluttony going after her, she preparing an attack, then an elevator door opening. Then we have Envy going after his father through the gate. And while I'm happy the little brother finally got his body back, and I got a sort of "here we go again" feeling when he decided to set out for his brother.

Here's hoping the movie resolves these things. I really do like this series, regardless.

[HG Revolution]

October 3, 2006

DVD-only or FUNimation Films release? I hope the latter because in all honesty the one thing preventing me from downloading a fansub right now out of impatience is knowing how awesome FMA would be on the big screen. Oh, and if it is in theaters, remember to fill out the paperwork for Oscar eligibility. It cost ADV bigtime when they forgot with Place Promised and seeing how so many of this year's releases look like total crap we could use some FMA to spice up the Oscar line-up.

Anyway, on to my review of the series/episode:

That... was... AMAZING!

Fullmetal Alchemist might not be the best TV show ever, but it was certainly the most "OMG! MUST SEE NEXT EPISODE!!!" TV show in recent memory. People have complained about the show deviating from the manga, but I don't see what's to complain about. I never saw what was so great about the manga. It just seemed to rush from plot point to plot point with not much real depth to the characters.

And the characters certainly are the best aspect of the FMA TV series. They have very funny personalities (Edward's Napoleon Complex, Al's driving of the phrase "don't judge a book by it's cover" to rediculous extremes, Hughes' obsessiveness over his daughter, Cheska's obvious charicature of the manga author, etc.), but none of the characters are there simply for comic relief. You can relate to them (not that you really want to relate to all of them). They have a real dynamic. In particular, Ed's feeling of responsibility over Al while Al is feeling utterly worthless provides tons of sweet moments. If this show can make you cry over the death of a character whose defining qualities are greed and soullessness, then the writers of this show must be doing something right.

Plotwise, the show is by far the strongest of the "shonen" genre (although I personally consider FMA to be more of a seinen show or at least in the much older segment of the shonen audience), although not without its flaws. Some of the more episodic first season episodes were a bit generic, while the inconsistant pacing in season 2 made some plot twists like the story with Wrath too predictable compared to some real shockers like, say, Al becoming the stone. However, no episodes of the show were completely pointless filler, all of the loose plot ends were resolved in the end, and you always had a reason to watch. Compared to, say, One Piece, an excellent series in its own right, where there isn't much to grab you until around episode 31, FMA gets going right at episode 3 and keeps you hooked for the remainder of the series.

As for the episode in particular, what an ending! I have no complaints whatsoever. I actually teared up a bit throughout it. The last few minutes, which seem to be criticized as a "see our movie!" ending, I didn't find to be that inconclusive. I know this is a wierd comparison, but it reminded me of Voices of a Distant Star in that it forces you to imagine what happens afterward. And any show that can provoke imagination after it's over has to be worth something in my book. One question, though: why does AS decide to make special disclaimers for some shows (this, GitS S1) but just use an MA rating for others (EVA, GitS S2)? It seems a bit inconsistant.

This episode gets an A+, and the series as a whole gets an A. Now I must find a new obsession...

[A.Magik]

I'm disappointed that Hughes' killer got away, though Fuhrer Bradley got his, courtesy of Hughes' best friend.

Manga spoiler:

I recently looked at the manga where Roy got a different deal in avenging his best friend's death. By roasting Lust, who in the manga was no tragic villainess but the major ringleader (not Sloth) in killing Hughes.


So if Al doesn't remember anything of the 4 years in armor, does that mean he has no idea about the Philosopher Stone?

A part of me did wish Hughes would come back somehow, but that would wreck the significance of his demise. It shows that Death, no matter how tragic and heartbreaking the loss, has to be accepted. You can't fix it.

I wish there was a positive last word for Maes Hughes (considering the awful Envy morph), or a better closure for his family, like say, Elysia spending some quality time with 'Unca Roy?' (it wouldn't be too unusual for Roy to watch out for his best friend's kid).

I knew a 25-minute episode wasn't able to give the full facts. We got zilch info about how Mustang's group in the North and the faction at Central got away with treason. Did the new Fuhrer make a pardon or something?

So are Mustang and Hawkeye in hiding? Is Mustang officially termed dead?

Tonight, I'll give my two cents about the series.

A.Magik

[Demon_Child]

I assume they filled in Al what happened in the past because (and I'm assuming) he forgot everything but you have to remember they didnt experience everythig since they were left behind. I guess Ed will have to tell Al everything if they do get togeather.

Oh and I always equate the age of Hughe's daughter to remember how old Ed and Al is. She's probably either seven or six years old since she was four/five when Hughes bite the dust and Ed joined the Military when he was 15 so 15+4=19+2(I assumed 2 years went by after Hughes death)=21 for Ed and 18 for Al or 22 if Hughe's daughter was five at his death.

Now this is interesting because now Hughes dauther is 5 or 6 years younger than Al. ;) I wonder if time is different in Al's world.

Uh actually Edward was 12 when he joined the military thus 12 when Elysia was born. We skipped ahead 3 years and then Ed had a birthday in episode 23 making him 16. Also as we learn in the movie, time passes at the same rate on both sides of the gate, they are just in different years. Also the gate does not have a sense of time, it can throw you out in anytime period.


I knew a 25-minute episode wasn't able to give the full facts. We got zilch info about how Mustang's group in the North and the faction at Central got away with treason. Did the new Fuhrer make a pardon or something?

So are Mustang and Hawkeye in hiding? Is Mustang officially termed dead?

Yes they were pardoned by the Parliment when it came out that the Fuhrer had a large hand in Hughes' death

Nope they aren't. They were both pardoned by the Parliment as well. Though (minor movie spoilers) In the movie Mustang has abandoned alchemy and given up his rank. Which seems to contridict what he says at the end of this episode.

[Kagetsu]

Can't add much, loved every part of this show.

Love the screencaps, and the B&W makes for easy mask making. I've been looking for as many of the Transmutation circles and oroborus as I can find,,, but haven't found any yet :sad:

The only thing that bugged me, when it returned from the commercial, the fine print said "revision by Funimation",,,, did they remake the ending???

[Duke]

The only thing that bugged me, when it returned from the commercial, the fine print said "revision by Funimation",,,, did they remake the ending???
All FUNimation shows say that. It's basically a different way of saying "Adapted by Dub Company #245"

[kaine23]

Did they ever explain how Bradley/Pride was created? So how's all this differ from the manga?

[SokkaBoSiegel]

Mustang's final line always seems a tad bit out of character if you ask me.

Just wanted to say I respectfully disagree with this. IMHO, Mustang showed himself numerous times throughout the series to be a very compassionate person and at the very least, he was always a lady's man, so, saying a romantic/philosophical line in the presence of a hot chick shouldnt be too much of a stretch.

Also, amazing show. They werent kidding about violence. Selim? Wow. The thing with the Germans at the end threw me off, but this show is synonymous with throwing people off in my book. And although sad to see the brothers apart, it was bittersweet and powerful, I thought. I give it as many stars as I can muster

[Fafhrd]

It's great that Al got his body back too, though that whole memory loss thing sort of bothered me a little... I mean, did everyone else go back and tell Al exactly what happened during those lost years, or is he just going on some vague descriptions? Hopefully he at least can learn from the frigging past and not try anything crazy (like bringing people back to life) again.

Also, I'm slightly confused on the age thing now. I mean, if Ed was 15 (16? I have no idea... I totally forget) when he 'died' and then came back, and Al was brought back as his own 10-year-old self, does that mean they're now 5 or 6 years apart? And... how old exactly were each of them at the very end? I'm not good with remembering ages and dates, sorry. n_-;There's a time conflict between the last scenes in the Alchemist world and the last scenes in Munich. As I remember, the time involved was 1916 in both worlds--until Ed went back, and he appears to have gone back to London and his father in 1916--but we see him and Hohenheim 5 years later, in Munich, 1921. The scenes in the Alchemist world appear to have been some months after the climax, in Resembool (for the final gathering with Winry, Rose, Al, Pinatubo, Teacher etc.), and Central (for the Mustang and Sciezka scenes, at least).

As I see it, Al gave himself up, and all of the power of the Philosopher's stone to restore Ed to life and health. Ed then gave his arm (and leg? uncertain), once more, to restore Al. But evidently doing so meant he had to pass the gate, as well.

I think I will want to see the movie. Is it certain that it will be shown?

[silvanoir]

Half of me really liked the ending. Mustang got his revenge and didn't die... and ended up with Riza. Al got his body back, and the brothers sarcrificed themselves to save each other. And Wrath finally calmed the hell down. Nice scenes with everyone together and happy... a happy ending without being too happy, a nod to all the suffering that all went through to get to that point but can learn to live on anyway.


Now things I didn't like:

- I really REALLY wish there was no "other side of the gate" that was our world. I like it better as this mysterious thing that's a well-spring for alchemy. Ed should have jsut dissapeared, the end. it would have been much more touching in my opinion.

- I have no problem with Al having his body back and lsoing his memories (he had some really terrible ones for such a small kid) but it angers me that he's going to try to bring back Ed through alchemy. give it up already!

- the Gluttony/Dante fight... they were there in the elevator, then what? did he eat her? did she kill him?

[Kagetsu]

All FUNimation shows say that. It's basically a different way of saying "Adapted by Dub Company #245"

But this was in the middle of the show, not what I would think as end credits. If you stopped the show, with Ed Destroying himself attempting to bring back Al and start the cycle again, Mustang, Dante dead, it would feel like a traditional Japanese ending. Wrapping everything nice and neat with all the characters alive, if not exactly well, feels like bringing Ryoko back in the last Tenchi. Something maybe like the revised original Battlestar Galactica. The movie executed Baltar, but the series which needed his character spared him.

[TnAdct1]

- the Gluttony/Dante fight... they were there in the elevator, then what? did he eat her? did she kill him? Since Gluttony does show up in the movie, I have a feeling that the fight ended with him eating Dante.

[NickWhiz1]

While the ending is kind of iffy (that's what the movie is for), it's fitting in its own way.

Nice to see that they kept it pretty much unedited (other than the shortened Rewrite).

[Saiko]

It was depressing as hell finding out that Ed and Al, after all they went through, had to be seperated like that. I'm glad Al got his body back and Ed is in a way still alive and with his father. The two of them wanting to do everything and anything to be together is great gotta love the brotherly bond. Ed saving Al bringing him back was the best part of the whole episode I think. And Mustang at the end bless the writers, he survived. I don't think wrath deserved to live just my opinion. They help him out like that and he leaves come on.

So Dante is gone for good?

I didn't like the way they got rid of envy it seemed really unimportant and cheap ya know, like the writers didn't care just needed to get him out of there quick. i didn't appreciate that.

Its gonna be hard to let go of this show another one of the best animes out there.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

My only real problems with this episode was how they dealt with the sins.

The writers made us hate Envy to the point where his death seemed like a cop-out, maybe he will reapear in the movie.

Wrath, the fact that they let him just walk away seems wierd, especially since the kid is totally insane and dangerous.

Gluttony, what the heck happened there?

Hopefully they give these characters a better conclusion in the movie. Other than that though this episode was awesome 10/10.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

But this was in the middle of the show, not what I would think as end credits. If you stopped the show, with Ed Destroying himself attempting to bring back Al and start the cycle again, Mustang, Dante dead, it would feel like a traditional Japanese ending. Wrapping everything nice and neat with all the characters alive, if not exactly well, feels like bringing Ryoko back in the last Tenchi. Something maybe like the revised original Battlestar Galactica. The movie executed Baltar, but the series which needed his character spared him.

Do you seriously think if Funimation changed the ending(which they would never do), no one would be talking about it? The internet would have exploded with millions of people screaming profanity.

The ending credits started in the middle of the show because it was the epilogue. It did seem strange, but I'm assuming it was the same in the Japanese version(can Riza or anyone else whose seen that confirm this?)

And maybe Ed sacrificing himself and Roy dying would be a 'traditional' ending. But isn't 'traditional' another word for 'overused' or 'cliched'? FMA had a very unique and different ending, and that's a good thing.

[Strollymonster]

My only real problems with this episode was how they dealt with the sins.

The writers made us hate Envy to the point where his death seemed like a cop-out, maybe he will reapear in the movie.

Wrath, the fact that they let him just walk away seems wierd, especially since the kid is totally insane and dangerous.

Gluttony, what the heck happened there?

Hopefully they give these characters a better conclusion in the movie. Other than that though this episode was awesome 10/10.

Wrath isn't much of a threat anymore...really, what can he do now that alchemy is out of his reach? Hopefully he'll end up living with Izumi and friends, but it remains to be seen...hopefully one of the OVAs will tie this up.

I also think Envy stands a chance of coming back in the movie, if not an OVA.

I'm almost certain the movie will tie Gluttony/Dante up.

[peacebyanymeans]

Do you seriously think if Funimation changed the ending(which they would never do), no one would be talking about it? The internet would have exploded with millions of people screaming profanity.

The ending credits started in the middle of the show because it was the epilogue. It did seem strange, but I'm assuming it was the same in the Japanese version(can Riza or anyone else whose seen that confirm this?)

And maybe Ed sacrificing himself and Roy dying would be a 'traditional' ending. But isn't 'traditional' another word for 'overused' or 'cliched'? FMA had a very unique and different ending, and that's a good thing.

Yes. Same in the Japanese version. The credits in episode 25 (Hughes death) were in the episode, but the dub put them at the end though... Also, this is not the ending. Remember that. The Movie is.


My only real problems with this episode was how they dealt with the sins.

The writers made us hate Envy to the point where his death seemed like a cop-out, maybe he will reapear in the movie.

Wrath, the fact that they let him just walk away seems wierd, especially since the kid is totally insane and dangerous.

Gluttony, what the heck happened there?

Hopefully they give these characters a better conclusion in the movie. Other than that though this episode was awesome 10/10.

Envy didn't die. Why is everyone thinking that? He crossed the gate. It showed him cross it.

[Riza Hawkeye]

My only real problems with this episode was how they dealt with the sins.

The writers made us hate Envy to the point where his death seemed like a cop-out, maybe he will reapear in the movie. Envy is not dead.
Semi-Major Movie Spoiler (but nothing you can't find out without read a preview of the movie)He passed through the gate


Wrath, the fact that they let him just walk away seems wierd, especially since the kid is totally insane and dangerous. Wrath also saved Ed's life in his fight against Envy. Ed was repaying him for it.


Gluttony, what the heck happened there? You'll find out in the movie.


Hopefully they give these characters a better conclusion in the movie. Other than that though this episode was awesome 10/10. The movie will answer everything.


The ending credits started in the middle of the show because of the epilogue. It did seem strange, but I'm assuming it was the same in the Japanese version(can Riza or anyone else whose seen that confirm this?)
It was the same in the Japanese version. Due to the length of the actually episode, no ending animation was shown. This is similar to what happened in episode 25, "Words of Farewell"/"Farewell Ceremony"

EDIT - Wow, I guess the last three posts all pretty much said the same thing.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Well, I'm getting hyped for the movie now.

I'll have to make sure to 'not forget' October 3rd.



Okay, that was lame...

But seriously, the movie sounds like it should be great.

[shadowstrain]

The ending of Fullmetal really makes you feel happy for all the characters (even Wrath)...

Riza is able to help Roy forget his military-related ambitions and now Al can finally enjoy the wonders of Winry's conventional oven!

I'll give it a Hoenheim/10.

[Space Chief]

Wow.

Farewell, Fullmetal, you will be missed...

:( :( :(

[Riza Hawkeye]

Well, I'm getting hyped for the movie now.

I'll have to make sure to 'not forget' October 3rd.



Okay, that was lame...

But seriously, the movie sounds like it should be great.
I just hope FUNimation can do a release to match the R2 limited edition release because that would be awesome.

Since I have to be at work in thirty minutes, I'll post the screencaps tonight.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I just hope FUNimation can do a release to match the R2 limited edition release because that would be awesome.

Yeah, I heard about all that stuff that came with the R2, and it sounds so great. I'd gladly fork out $40 or so for a limited edition release with that level of quality.

[Malex]

The ending credits started in the middle of the show because it was the epilogue. It did seem strange, but I'm assuming it was the same in the Japanese version(can Riza or anyone else whose seen that confirm this?)
The original did start the end credits in the middle of the episode.

EDIT: Dammit, I didn't look at the last page.

[JohnCrichton]

Movie? So there's more? And when do I get to see it?

[peacebyanymeans]

Movie? So there's more? And when do I get to see it?

... DID YOU EVEN READ THE THREAD?

Whatever... October 3rd

[shadowstrain]

Yeah, I heard about all that stuff that came with the R2, and it sounds so great. I'd gladly fork out $40 or so for a limited edition release with that level of quality.
Considering the quality of the FUNimation's release of the series (satin inserts, tin boxes, reversible covers), I don't see why they would hesitate to match the quality of the R2 movie release.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

Wow... im probably really slow to realize this NOW, but the date of the movie, Oct. 3, is also the date to which Ed and Al burnt their house and left!

[JohnCrichton]

... DID YOU EVEN READ THE THREAD?

Whatever... October 3rd

NO I DIDN'T. BUT THANKS FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTION ANYWAY! ;)

[Luna]

My thoughts on the finale....

I was happy that Al got his body back,even if he lost his memories from when he was in the armor...It was sorta sad that the Elric brothers were seperated in the end,but at least they're both alive...

I was also glad that Roy survived,but felt bad for Fuhrer Bradley's kid....and I hated Archer,so I liked that Riza managed to take him out...

I thought it was strange that they didn't show what happened to Dante or Gluttony (though I assumed either he ate her,or they took each other out somehow)...

I also thought it was strange that they just let Wrath go after Winry gave him new automail limbs(but then again,it's not like he can use alchemy anymore)....

It was also nice that they showed pretty much every character in the series at the end (including the fake Elric Brothers,Rick and Leo,and Paninya and Dominic)....

I'll miss watching the series(though at least I have the movie and new manga volumes to look forward to)...I got started watching the series later than many people here,because I only became interested in the anime after reading the first manga volume(I missed seeing most of the first season on TV;I ended up buying the DVDs)......Looks like the only show I'll be watching on Adult Swim for awhile is new episodes of Inuyasha (which I think is a good show,just nowhere near as edge-of -your -seat as Fullmetal Alchemist)...

[peacebyanymeans]

NO I DIDN'T. BUT THANKS FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTION ANYWAY! ;)

LOUD NOISES!

You're welcome.

... eh... *Gotta think of something so this isn't just spam...*

Fullmetal Alchemist: The Movie, when it premieres on [as] (most likely), will likely take 2.5 hours if I did my math right, seeing as it is around 110 minutes, and there are 8 minutes of commercials for every 22. :P

[Hades]

Great finale. Very good ending. Can't wait for the movie. Although, I would have loved to have actually seen Gluttony devouring Dante.

[shany94a]

Everything seems to be coming in October - Fullmetal Alchemist movie, new season of Drawn Together (not that the two are equal).

I will definitely miss this series - it's been on Adult Swim since, what, January 2005? I looked forward to it on Saturday nights and it's hard to believe the run is finally over, much like with Gundam Seed last year after 12 months. FMA was truly one of the best anime I've had the privilege of watching, and even though I didn't expect this "ending", it was a nice way for the series to go out.

[Riza Hawkeye]

Okay, here are the screencaps as promised:

Episode 51 (Final Episode) -

Al's prespective (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA000.jpg) of Ed being stabbed
Al (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA001.jpg)
Ed being stabbed from Al's point of view again 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA002.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA003.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA004.jpg)
A different angle (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA005.jpg) of Ed lying on the ground from the last episode
Dante stops Rose (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA006.jpg) from going to Ed
Envy being a cocky bastard 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA007.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA008.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA009.jpg) 4 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA010.jpg) 5 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA011.jpg)
Rose watches on (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA012.jpg)
Al (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA013.jpg) on the transumation circle
Gluttony sees his dinner (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA014.jpg)

Riza and Archer:
Riza (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA015.jpg)
The Fuhrer's family (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA016.jpg)
A car accident (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA017.jpg)
Archer emerges (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA018.jpg)
Archer 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA019.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA020.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA021.jpg)
Riza takes cover (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA022.jpg)
Riza fires back (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA023.jpg), but takes a gun shot to her arm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA024.jpg)
Archer is held back (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA025.jpg)

Roy vs Pride:
Roy has burnt a lot of things (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA026.jpg)
Roy is worn out (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA027.jpg)
Pride isn't done yet 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA028.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA029.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA030.jpg)
That must hurt (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA031.jpg)
Pride's got a glowing red eye too (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA032.jpg)
Some more talking as the building burns down (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA033.jpg)
Pride shows he can be cruel too (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA034.jpg)
Roy's in pain (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA035.jpg)
The Fuhrer's son arrives (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA036.jpg)
Roy, "Is this one of those "foolish humans"?" (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA037.jpg)
Pride frozen (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA038.jpg)
The reason why (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA039.jpg)
Pride strangles 'his son' 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA040.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA041.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA042.jpg)
Roy pulls out the sword (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA043.jpg)
Pride tosses the kid aside (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA044.jpg)
Roy goes the kid's side (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA045.jpg)
The key to victory 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA046.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA047.jpg)
Roy draws a transmuation in his blood... (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA048.jpg)
and activates it (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA049.jpg)
Pride in flames (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA050.jpg)
Roy continues to repeat the process (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA051.jpg)

Gluttony eats away Al's armor (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA052.jpg)
Rose watches on (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA053.jpg)
Glottony's mouth is being eaten away 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA054.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA055.jpg)
Al activates the stone 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA056.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA057.jpg)
Dante is shocked (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA058.jpg)
"He's still warm." (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA059.jpg)
Al kneels over Ed (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA060.jpg)
Al (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA061.jpg)
Envy tries to stop him (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA062.jpg)
CLAP (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA063.jpg)
Al activates the Philosopher's Stone 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA064.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA065.jpg)

Roy still looks tired (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA066.jpg)
Roy is still repeating the process 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA067.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA068.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA069.jpg)
Roy gets rid of the skull (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA070.jpg)
The Fuhrer's son (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA071.jpg)
Roy carries the boy out (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA072.jpg)
Archer is waiting for him (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA073.jpg)
Riza is hot on his trail though (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA074.jpg)
She shoots (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA075.jpg)...
...and finally Archer goes down 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA076.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA077.jpg)
Roy's down as well though (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA078.jpg)
Riza's reaction (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA079.jpg)
Riza and Roy 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA080.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA081.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA082.jpg) 4 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA083.jpg) 5 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA084.jpg)


Ed with Al (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA085.jpg)
Ed with Envy (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA086.jpg)
The Gate (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA087.jpg)
Envy decides to go see his father 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA088.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA089.jpg)
Envy is taken into the Gate 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA090.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA091.jpg)
Envy with in the Gate 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA092.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA093.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA094.jpg) 4 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA095.jpg) 5 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA096.jpg) 6 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA097.jpg) 7 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA098.jpg)
Ed watches the Gate close (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA099.jpg)
"...Al." (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA100.jpg)

Ed is alive 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA101.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA102.jpg)
Ed realizes he's regained his left arm 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA103.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA104.jpg)
"Where's Al?" 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA105.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA106.jpg)

Dante flees (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA107.jpg)
Dante gets an unexpected visitor 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA108.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA109.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA110.jpg)
Gluttony (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA111.jpg) vs Dante (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA112.jpg)
The Elevator (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA113.jpg)

Ed stands on the Grand Arcanum 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA114.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA115.jpg)
Ed tells Rose to leave with Wrath (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA116.jpg)
Ed prepares to scrafice himself (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA117.jpg)
Begin transmuation 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA118.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA119.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA120.jpg) 4 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA121.jpg)

Epilogue:
Roy's men (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA123.jpg)
Armstrong (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA124.jpg)
Sheska (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA125.jpg)
Maria and Denny (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA126.jpg)
People of Ishbal 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA127.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA128.jpg)

Roy and Riza (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA129.jpg)
Riza peels an apple (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA130.jpg)
Roy and Riza again (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA131.jpg)
Aww... (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA132.jpg)
Roy (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA133.jpg)
Riza shoves a slice of apple into Roy's mouth (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA134.jpg)
Black Hayate (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA135.jpg)

Al (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA136.jpg)
Al with Den (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA137.jpg)
Winry and Rose (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA138.jpg)
Al with Den again (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA139.jpg)
Winry (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA140.jpg)
Al with Den one more time (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA141.jpg)
Izumi and co. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA142.jpg)
Mason with Rose's baby (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA143.jpg)
Pinako tell Izumi about Wrath (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA144.jpg)
Wrath with automail (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA145.jpg)

Al at his mother's grave 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA146.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA147.jpg)
Dinner at the Rockbell house 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA148.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA149.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA150.jpg)
Al departs with Izumi 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA151.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA152.jpg)

Thule Society 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA153.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA154.jpg)
Hohenheim (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA155.jpg)
Karl Haushofer (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA156.jpg)
Munich 1921 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA157.jpg)

Ed and Hohenheim (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA158.jpg)
Rocketry (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA159.jpg)
Ed and Hohenheim again (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA160.jpg)
Ed's artifical arm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA161.jpg)
Ed leaves (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA162.jpg)
Ed (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA163.jpg)
The rocket diagram (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA164.jpg)
Ed on the train (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA165.jpg)

Al on the train (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA166.jpg)
Tucker and 'Nina' (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA167.jpg)
The people of Ishbal 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA168.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA169.jpg)
Roy and Riza 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA170.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA171.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA172.jpg)
Wrath (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA173.jpg)
The Hughes family and Sheska (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA174.jpg)
Pinako and Rose (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA175.jpg)
'The fake Elric brothers' (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA176.jpg) (I forgot their names)
Winry with Paninya and Dominic (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA177.jpg)
Armstrong and Breda (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA178.jpg)
More of Mustang's men (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA179.jpg)

The Final Scenes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA180.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA183.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA187.jpg

That's all of them; all 186 screens.... Let me know if any of the links don't work, I didn't check all of them.

[Ryoutarou]

Pretty good ending, there were some things I would have liked to have explained better, but I guess the movie did a better job with all that. Also, to anyone worried about fansubs, if you get the official Japanese release of the movie, it comes with English subs.

[Freedom Fighter]

So much to say, so much that's already been said...

- Interesting that, at this point of time, it would be impossible for Ed and Al to survive in the same universe at the exact same time. I'm intrigued as to how the movie will circumvent that problem, as the series ending seems to suggest will happen. I wonder if Ed is aware that Al had to be de-aged six years for the 'equivalent exchange' to work successfully.
- The Fuhrer got his just desserts after nearly killing Roy (but killing his 'son'). Props to Hawkeye for the save at the end, stopping Archer from getting Mustang... though I have to admit, at the point she found him I thought Roy had already bled to death (as opposed to thinking Archer got a shot into a vital spot)

Basically, if I didn't know there was a movie forthcoming, this would suck as an ending... too much left open and to interpretation. But since it's not...

7.5 out of 10 for "Laws and Promises."

FMA as a whole... definitely a pleasant surprise to have seen this show. The dub VAs did an excellent job bring the cast to life, but it helps that there are so many memorable characters. Ed and Al, Winry, Roy and Riza, Armstrong, Hughes, Dante, Lust, Gluttony, Wrath... and that's just scratching the surface! Some good action, some interesting plotlines, and the show did great at keeping your attention and leaving you wanting more.

Final score for "Fullmetal Alchemist"... 8.5 out of 10. Not sure if its the best anime ever, but it's near the top of my list.

[Riza Hawkeye]

Pretty good ending, there were some things I would have liked to have explained better, but I guess the movie did a better job with all that. Also, to anyone worried about fansubs, if you get the official Japanese release of the movie, it comes with English subs.
That's only if you buy the limited edition release, which is 70~80 dollars. I think it's worth it, mainly because I have it myself and it a great release, with all the extras you get with it.

[RAINMAN]

Nice to know there a movie to explain everything......WAIT A SECOND? The last time movie was made to explain a ending to a anime was EVA. OH NO!:ack:

[djthomp]

That's all of them; all 186 screens.... Let me know if any of the links don't work, I didn't check all of them.
Very nice, capturing all of those and composing that post must have taken a fair amount of effort.


Black Hayate (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA135.jpg)
You know, of all the characters that survived to the end of the series, I probably most pleased that this cute guy lived. This show sure was hard on pets...

[Riza Hawkeye]

Nice to know there a movie to explain everything......WAIT A SECOND? The last time movie was made to explain a ending to a anime was EVA. OH NO!:ack:
Who ever said "End of Eva" was meant to explain the anime? "End of Eva' was episodes 25 and 26 reworked/redone into a movie; it's essentially an alternate ending to the anime.

"Fullmetal Alchemist The Movie: Conqueror of Shamballa" is the ending to animated FMA. The movie wraps up the loose ends of the anime and finishes out the story.


Very nice, capturing all of those and composing that post must have taken a fair amount of effort.
It did take a bit of time...takes really why I wasn't able to post them until tonight.

[Timmay]

Don't put all your hopes on the movie... :(

[Riza Hawkeye]

Not a fan of the movie, Timmay?

[Timmay]

Not a fan of the movie, Timmay?I disliked it when I read a summary of it a few days after it was shown.. and disliked it two days ago when I finally got around to watching it.

To me it just doesn't really seem to flow with the way some of the characters were at the end of the series. Oh, and the ending didn't sit very well with me at all.

I could go into more.. but I'll save that for October

[Gruntling]

While I think the ending could have been told a little better or perhaps even lengthened, at least it was suiting. It's kind of sad how Ed's stuck in our gloomy world, and that the brought-back-Al doesn't have any recollection of his armor-self. But knowing that a movie will come out, hopefully it will answer some the questions poised at the end of the series.

Laws and Promises: B+

Fullmetal Alchemist Series: A+

Now I don't know what I'll do on Saturday nights... This is one show I went out of my way to see! I sure do hope AS can replace it with something worth watching. Fullmetal Alchemist, Cowboy Bebop, Neon Genesis Evangelion... they've all been done. Will another masterpiece come forth?

And BTW nicely done Riza. While I haven't posted much over the entirety of the series, I've lurked and monitored the FMA topics on occasion. I have to say thanks for posting so many screencaps! It's probably a little time-consuming posting so much, so thanks again!

[Riza Hawkeye]

I disliked it when I read a summary of it a few days after it was shown.. and disliked it two days ago when I finally got around to watching it.

To me it just doesn't really seem to flow with the way some of the characters were at the end of the series. Oh, and the ending didn't sit very well with me at all.

I could go into more.. but I'll save that for October
I can see where you're coming from with those points...but in regards to the many questions left after 51, little is left unanswered, especially questions about certain characters ultimate fates. I know the ending isn't what everyone could have hoped for. Although, I felt it worked well for the two main characters, Ed and Al, given everything.

With that, I'll leave any further discussion of the movie until is aired/released.


And BTW nicely done Riza. While I haven't posted much over the entirety of the series, I've lurked and monitored the FMA topics on occasion. I have to say thanks for posting so many screencaps! It's probably a little time-consuming posting so much, so thanks again!You're welcome. I know I enjoyed making them and posting them for most of the episodes, even if it was time consuming sometimes, like with this episode. ;)

[Ultra8]

Tis the end....
And it rocked.

A nicely done ending.
Al transmuting himself, Roy VS. Pride, Ed bringing down the house(literally), it keeps you on your toes in waiting for what comes next. Plus an epilogue that let's you know how the entire cast is doing and a touching final words by Al. And to make things even better it leads into a movie coming soon.:D
Guess this is like that old saying " a storyteller has truly done his job when he leaves you asking for more".

I think my only gripe with this finale was that Archer went down pretty quickly(true he was a bloody mess at the time).
Over all an excellant ending to a remarkable series, well till the movie any way.:p

As an episode: 10/10
As a series: 8/10

I'm a little confused did the Furor's son die or did he just pass out?

Outstanding job on the screencaps Riza.

[Dr. Anime]

I can't belive its over. does anyone know the name of the song that way playing when Shaska was writting that letter to Winry?

[Lachesis]

I can't belive its over. does anyone know the name of the song that way playing when Shaska was writting that letter to Winry?

"Brothers," which was played a lot in the early flashback episodes. Made me just melt when I realized what it was.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Well, I'm keeping the box of tissues next to me.
Al did an amazong thing to finally stand up to Dante! He can't even stand up to his older brother and usually goes along with him. It's much harder to stand up to stangers. For once he did something he wanted to do! :D

Roy got justice for Hughes, and finally defeated Fuheror with the help of Fuheror's son. Riza saved his life by killing that robot. (I forgot his name) At first I thought they both died, and could not stop crying until after the commercials. :crying:

Only to find out that Al finally got his body back, Ed ended up on the other side of the Gate in Germany with his dad. Both boys loved each other so much they were willing to sacrifice themselves in order to give each other life! :) That was done beautifully!

Roy and Riza are okay and it looks like Roy really likes Riza. Wow! She has nice hair. :sweat: I'm sure I'm not the only one who saw some sparks fly between them. :p

Rose and her baby are okay too, and looks like they live with Winry and her Grandmother at their farm! :anime:

I was never to worried about Winry and Sheizka, because they were located far away from where action was taking place.

I felt Dante's death was quick, but nicely done. What better way to go then to get eaten up by the monster she created! i'm assuming she will continue to rot inside Gluttony. :evil: I wonder what Gluttony plans to do after that...
I also wonder if Envy ended up somewhere in our world. Watch out Ed! :yawn:
Wrath Survived!? Ehh it's good for him! :eek:

Teacher Izumi and her husband were not hurt either! ;)


The ending was nicely done, and happy for teh most part, except for Ed and Al being seperated from each other in different worlds! :) :sad:
Al not remembering anything from before, maybe he still remember alchemy, and his brother and everyone else. He just doesn't remember what hapened in the past ... like him having metal body. Winry and Rose can fill him in! :p

I liked the way creators/animators of this show made all the characters in different settings come together in the finale, while you hear Al's speech and the credits are rolling slowly. :D

We even get to see Tucker and Nina... and I don't think I want to know what Tucker is up to with all those alchemy circles... :o

Hughes wife and his daughter along with Sheizka paying their respects to him, was a nice touch. :p

Riza feeding injured Roy. ;)

Ed saying good bye to his father! :yawn:

To me were some of the best moments.

I really didn'y like Wrath going through trash, but what else can he do, when you are human you have to eat! :ack: I believe Envy and Dante are partially responsible for his insane acts!

The train moments were Great! :anime:

All I'm going to say is this was the most upredictable and emotional anime series I ever watched!
Even though I have no idea about the age differences the brothers experienced at the end of the show, and how Hohenheim ended up a scientist in Germany... I will not ask anymore stupid questions...

I'll just wait fot the movie, and hope Adult Swim brings us more of Fullmetal Alchemist style animes'! ;)

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Well, I'm getting hyped for the movie now.

I'll have to make sure to 'not forget' October 3rd.



Okay, that was lame...

But seriously, the movie sounds like it should be great.

Why October, 3? Movie released on Adult Swim?

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Well...this is it....(till the movie at least)
*sobs*
I hate it when shows end, but i think i'll hate FMA being over the most.:crying: :crying:

By what means did you see the movie? PM me, if you want to. I'm hoping it's legal. Thank you

[Riza Hawkeye]

Outstanding job on the screencaps Riza.

You're welcome :)


Why October, 3? Movie released on Adult Swim?

That's the release date FUNimation announced at MegaCon, it's either the release date for theaters or the DVD. It likely has nothing to do with when AS airs it.

[Serena S.]

:crying: It didn't have to end like that......:crying: The whole "Al sacifice himself for Ed and than Ed doing same for Al in which Al gets his body back but Ed didn't get his arm and leg back" thing really confused me.:confused: (Again.....if anyone has time to explain that part to me, I would appreciate it.....:sweat:) Anyway, with all the things that Ed and Al, I was surprised that they had to end up separated from each other.:( :crying: I was very sweet of what Al said to Winry about him finding a way to bring Ed back so that All three of them can be together again.:D Yeah, this whole series has been great to watch and now I can believe that it has finally ended. I going to miss FMA.....they are be showing the movie right? Well, Goodbye FMA...:anime:

[herbkir]

Since others covered all the major plot points about this finale, I'll just add my voice to the chorus of praise for this anime. It was a grand, fun ride with more twists than a pretzel, and characters who became part of our lives in a fashion achieved by few anime.

I hope Adult Swim goes after the TV rights to the movie and runs it before the DVD comes out. I hate to have to wait until October to see all the loose ends resolved.

But at least the main plot threads got tied up. There was an acceptable ending. So that should hold everybody for a while. (^_*)

[Space Chief]

Nice to know there a movie to explain everything......WAIT A SECOND? The last time movie was made to explain a ending to a anime was EVA. OH NO!:ack:

Suddenly I imagine
a giant Gluttony floating over Earth.
"Can I eat it?"
Tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling dowwwwn...

Thule Society? Karl Hausenhoffer? I gotta watch more History Channel.

[Sanwich]

Haha, ironically, Roy winds up with an eyepatch like Bradley. Over the same eye too, I think. Sorry, just a random observation. ;)

[Malex]

Suddenly I imagine
a giant Gluttony floating over Earth.
"Can I eat it?"
Tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling dowwwwn...

Thule Society? Karl Hausenhoffer? I gotta watch more History Channel.

Oh the irony!

[shadowstrain]

ASF (http://asfdotcom.net/) now has the trailer for The Conquer of Shamballa available for quicktime download.

[HeeHaw9]

Well, I'm keeping the box of tissues next to me.
Al did an amazong thing to finally stand up to Dante! He can't even stand up to his older brother and usually goes along with him. It's much harder to stand up to stangers. For once he did something he wanted to do! :D

Roy got justice for Hughes, and finally defeated Fuheror with the help of Fuheror's son. Riza saved his life by killing that robot. (I forgot his name) At first I thought they both died, and could not stop crying until after the commercials. :crying:

Only to find out that Al finally got his body back, Ed ended up on the other side of the Gate in Germany with his dad. Both boys loved each other so much they were willing to sacrifice themselves in order to give each other life! :) That was done beautifully!

Roy and Riza are okay and it looks like Roy really likes Riza. Wow! She has nice hair. :sweat: I'm sure I'm not the only one who saw some sparks fly between them. :p

Rose and her baby are okay too, and looks like they live with Winry and her Grandmother at their farm! :anime:

I was never to worried about Winry and Sheizka, because they were located far away from where action was taking place.

I felt Dante's death was quick, but nicely done. What better way to go then to get eaten up by the monster she created! i'm assuming she will continue to rot inside Gluttony. :evil: I wonder what Gluttony plans to do after that...
I also wonder if Envy ended up somewhere in our world. Watch out Ed! :yawn:
Wrath Survived!? Ehh it's good for him! :eek:

Teacher Izumi and her husband were not hurt either! ;)


The ending was nicely done, and happy for teh most part, except for Ed and Al being seperated from each other in different worlds! :) :sad:
Al not remembering anything from before, maybe he still remember alchemy, and his brother and everyone else. He just doesn't remember what hapened in the past ... like him having metal body. Winry and Rose can fill him in! :p

I liked the way creators/animators of this show made all the characters in different settings come together in the finale, while you hear Al's speech and the credits are rolling slowly. :D

We even get to see Tucker and Nina... and I don't think I want to know what Tucker is up to with all those alchemy circles... :o

Hughes wife and his daughter along with Sheizka paying their respects to him, was a nice touch. :p

Riza feeding injured Roy. ;)

Ed saying good bye to his father! :yawn:

To me were some of the best moments.

I really didn'y like Wrath going through trash, but what else can he do, when you are human you have to eat! :ack: I believe Envy and Dante are partially responsible for his insane acts!

The train moments were Great! :anime:

All I'm going to say is this was the most upredictable and emotional anime series I ever watched!
Even though I have no idea about the age differences the brothers experienced at the end of the show, and how Hohenheim ended up a scientist in Germany... I will not ask anymore stupid questions...

I'll just wait fot the movie, and hope Adult Swim brings us more of Fullmetal Alchemist style animes'! ;) just a few questions: did roy die? i saw a post saying that......and wrath is still crazy? how DID Rose get pregnant?! and Elycia was how old when Hughes died? i kinda forgot....anywayz...thanks for all of this! i almost saw it, but then i did something else and forgot to watch it...it was hell when i found out I missed the last episode....I LOVED IT THOUGH!!!!! the series were awesome...how about a new season?:D o yeah that one pic of Ed and WInkry in the 1st page is beyond adorable!!!!

[Beefy]

Envy with in the Gate 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA092.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA093.jpg) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA094.jpg) 4 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA095.jpg) 5 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA096.jpg) 6 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA097.jpg) 7 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/FMAepisode51/FMA098.jpg) I didn't know Envy could turn into non-human creatures.

In this series we've seen just about every character at least twice. But we only see Psiren once. :crying:

If the Philosopher's Stone was made from thousands of people, how could it get all used up just by bringing Ed back?

You'd think there would still be some leftover after that. The previous stone wasn't as large as the Al stone, and it lasted Dante about 400 years, which would be at least 4 body swaps. The Al stone was the largest one ever made, so unless Al intentionally used it all or gave it to the gate, there should be some leftover.

[Ein]

In this series we've seen just about every character at least twice. But we only see Psiren once. :crying: .

Well, in all fairness, she was a filler. I'm not saying she wasn't cool/sexy/interesting, she just wasn't that important to the series.


If the Philosopher's Stone was made from thousands of people, how could it get all used up just by bringing Ed back? .

I think the show covers that. I think Envy says something to the effect of "You're not concentrated like a normal stone". Also, if you remember, he was used to bring Nina back for Shou Tucker. And after that his "red glow" had faded some. So, considering he was used in a human transmutation, and he was partially eaten by gluttony - it think it safe to say he was almost out of gas.

[Xibom]

There's something that's been bugging me about envy. If he died when he was still a baby, how does he know his father so well? Or even care?

But at any rate, I really liked this ending. It's like it accomplished almost all of its goals, but still left a bit of mystery in how Ed & Al will meet up again(Which I'm assuming the movie will provide). It was lovely to see all the characters before ending.

I like how we don't see what happens to Envy. He could be dead, maybe he really did reach the other side, or he went to a completely different place(Bonus points for random dragon change! Yay!)

Since this was the last episode, I'm glad to say that I LOVED this series and that I hope to buy a boxset soon:D . I LOVE Al, he just a lovely younger
brother character(Sorry Ed fans). I may even check out the manga series.

[Vallen Valiant]

There's something that's been bugging me about envy. If he died when he was still a baby, how does he know his father so well? Or even care?
The answer is he didn't.

Envy died of mercury poisoning, which takes ages. Unless he drank a vial of it as a child.

Those who believe Envy died as a baby was miss-lead by the translations.

[Spike Mcdougal]

Yeah, I belive that in the last eppisode someone did blurbed out Churchill's name.

Might as well blurb out some German History for a bit.

Let's see what I can remember from my Mod Europe History class without looking at my required reading stuff....too late I peaked.:sweat:

Now Germany's pride before WWI was astronomical. They felt that their way of life was 'superior' than the other European countries at that time especially the bourgeoisie, whom I asume Daddy Elric is asociated with because Aristocrats did not frequently associate with the Bourgeouise and Bourgeouise hardly mix in with the working class unless they were working for the Bourgeouise. Now phesants is another story. As well as catholic germans.:sweat:

The german people or bourgeoisie believed in hardwork, competition, achievement, and reward/reconition. Which kind of reminded me of the Law-err-Theory of Equivelent Echange in Al's world. They also lived their lives with rational thought and lived with laws and ruels; weather it was home rules like always keeping clean, education whatever or laws that governed the land.

Now imagine after being defeated on WWI and signing a contract stating you lost and you have to pay, and if you remember High School History II Germany had to pay heavy fines so it really hit the German Bougouise hard. Because of their lost of country spirit the Germans created the Aryan concept, an idividual that has 'perfect' genes and an apperance and thru their lost of home spirit Hitler show up who envisioned to the Germans that Germany was a superior country/race and, well the Germans/Bougouise ate it up. It doesnt mean they're bad. It was just propaganda fed into their heads.

This doesnt mean Ed or his father is bad or any of the German people they associate themselves with is bad. They're just hanging out during the time when Hitler and the Nazi's are taking control of the country which is about...right now I believe....

...This series is a must have for required Anime viewing! I wonder how the manga stacks up to it! I give FMA The Series (b'-'b That's two thumbs up!


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I hope Al and Ed get back togeather again!
No crossdressing pics today. Sorry.






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I lie sometiems but you gotta admit...
Al looks cuite in white and Ed looks great in black. ;)
Was fun freaking you guys out!

Alright I'm gonna have to start cutting some hands off so no one will find those kinds of pictures.....ever again!!!!!:evil:

[purplehairedwonder]

I think most of my thoughts have already been addressed in the thread, but what the heck:

I found the bittersweet ending fulfilling while being open-ended at the same time. I could have lived with only the optimism of the two brothers that they would meet again (though wondering all the while how on earth they could manage it) but I don't want to. The final scene of them reaching toward the sky really struck a cord with me. It just felt really powerful.

Mustang's revenge was awesome. That was the most awesome way to take the Fuhrer down. Stylish and kick ass and deadly all at the same time. The man has a flair, I must say. So did the Fuhrer's kid end up dying then? If so, well, that's depressing. Riza taking down the Archinator only to cry over Mustang's unconscious body was also really touching.

All these juicy little history tidbits really make me wish I knew more about history. I had a feeling that the man Hohenheim was with was an actual historical figure, but had no idea who he actually was. I really like the concept of our world being on the other side of the gate and having Hohenheim and Ed here. It really makes your mind warp yet is a really nice touch to relate to the viewer.

I have to wonder what exactly Al remembers and knows at this point since he lost him memory. What kind of impact will that have while he's searching for a way to reunite with Ed... Will the others relate the events they know of to him or will he have to figure it out for himself?

According to an interview I read in Newtype, the word "Shambala" was supposed to show up in the last episode, though I never saw it. Did anyone else pick it out?

Anyways, FMA has been a fantastic series and definitely at the top of my list of quality series. It's too bad that it's over but I'm really looking forward to the movie.

[Paul_Cousins]

Good episode, though possible plothole, When Al brought Ed back to life in the FMA world, Ed had his original organic right arm, but when Ed crossed over to London/Germany, he had the automail he had repaired by fusing it to some guns a few episodes back.

[Strollymonster]

Good episode, though possible plothole, When Al brought Ed back to life in the FMA world, Ed had his original organic right arm, but when Ed crossed over to London/Germany, he had the automail he had repaired by fusing it to some guns a few episodes back.

It's not a plot hole...the prosthetic Ed has in "our" world is something created entirely from the "our" world...it's not the result of alchemy. Ed had to give up his limbs again to bring back Al, and he came out on our side without limbs again...he (or someone else) constructed prosthetics for him. I believe this gets explained in the movie.

[herbkir]

Another bit of history: The art and craft of making prosthetic limbs made huge progress in the years immediately following WWI, because there was so much need for them and new ways of manufacturing them had come into existence. It wouldn't be the least bit unusual for a young man like Ed to have prosthetics. "The war, you know." There were other big advances following WWII, Korea and Vietnam as new materials were invented.

In the 20's, the limbs would work through springs, hinges, levers and clamps connected to Ed's remaining muscles and stumps and would work well enough to be useful, but they'd never approach the utility of automail. Only now are we producing prosthetics that start to come close to automail, but then again we haven't had the benefits of alchemy to power them.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

just a few questions: did roy die? i saw a post saying that......and wrath is still crazy? how DID Rose get pregnant?! and Elycia was how old when Hughes died? i kinda forgot....anywayz...thanks for all of this! i almost saw it, but then i did something else and forgot to watch it...it was hell when i found out I missed the last episode....I LOVED IT THOUGH!!!!! the series were awesome...how about a new season?:D o yeah that one pic of Ed and WInkry in the 1st page is beyond adorable!!!!

Here let me answer somebody elses's questions for a change! :D
No Roy is alive! :D
Wrath is alive and he has an arm and a leg made out of automail! He kind of looks like Ed with black hair and different face! :sweat:
Somebody raped Rose, I think it was hinted at that she was raped by one of the soldiers when the war was going on in Lior! :(
Elicia was about 3 or 4 when Hughes died, they just celebrated her birthday! Poor girl. :crying:

[shoujoaifan]

Another bit of history: The art and craft of making prosthetic limbs made huge progress in the years immediately following WWI, because there was so much need for them and new ways of manufacturing them had come into existence. It wouldn't be the least bit unusual for a young man like Ed to have prosthetics. "The war, you know." There were other big advances following WWII, Korea and Vietnam as new materials were invented.

In the 20's, the limbs would work through springs, hinges, levers and clamps connected to Ed's remaining muscles and stumps and would work well enough to be useful, but they'd never approach the utility of automail. Only now are we producing prosthetics that start to come close to automail, but then again we haven't had the benefits of alchemy to power them.Like someone once said in one of the GITS Talkback ( sorry I don't remember your name :sweat: ) after every war advances are pushed in prosthetic technology, just like right now in the current war.

Sad, but true, the losses they have will fuel the research for better limbs for the people of tomorrow. Equilavent Exchange-except it won't be the people of the future paying the price.Unfortunately and fortunately, today's science is built upon the work of giants (or however that phrase goes), and tommorrow's will be built untop of that and today's work.

Ironically, it science's bittersweet, greatest strength.

On a more light note, Funkatron just posted this thread a few days ago about how we might becoming Six Million Dollar Men or Benders soon: http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=162641

[A.Magik]

Elicia was about 3 or 4 when Hughes died, they just celebrated her birthday! Poor girl. :crying:

It differs in versions. The anime has Elysia as 4. The manga has her at 3.

Anyway, thus ends Full Metal Alchemist. Not since Trigun and Evangelion have I been through such an emotionally exhausting show. It successfully manages to mix comedy with dark tragedy. It's full of good drawings, an involving plot, and memorable characters (Hughes...).

That said, I wish the ending episode was longer. Some of it went too fast, with noticeable omissions of other subplot (the plight of the Mustang coup factions in Central and up North). I also wish there was a better last word of Hughes after Envy's impersonation (then again, I might as well be satisfied with Mustang and Pride's final exchange about losing friends and 'send my regards to General Hughes').
Still, I don't think I was terribly disappointed.

Special note must be given to the all-star cast. Besides FUNi's crop of voice actors (Sabat, Bailey, Herbert, Strait), FMA also featured outside talent from the likes of Scott McNeil (too bad he didn't share any scenes with Sabat), Monica Rial, Tiffany Grant, and Johnny Yong Bosch. One hopes to see more of these gatherings.

A.Magik

[TnAdct1]

Special note must be given to the all-star cast. Besides FUNi's crop of voice actors (Sabat, Bailey, Herbert, Strait), FMA also featured outside talent from the likes of Scott McNeil (too bad he didn't share any scenes with Sabat), Monica Rial, Tiffany Grant, and Johnny Yong Bosch. One hopes to see more of these gatherings. Don't forget Luci Christian and Carrie Savage.

[SokkaBoSiegel]

In this series we've seen just about every character at least twice. But we only see Psiren once. :crying:


I found that pretty interesting myself considering how everyone else popped up later on. I guess she's just special that way

[Nel]

I was expecting a final showdown between Ed and Dante, but I liked how the episode turned out anyway. If Gluttony did get Dante, then it serves her right for making him a mindless eating machine in the first place. Definitely buying the rest of the DVDs, and I can't wait for the movie.

[FireStarterLE]

I was expecting a final showdown between Ed and Dante, but I liked how the episode turned out anyway. If Gluttony did get Dante, then it serves her right for making him a mindless eating machine in the first place. Definitely buying the rest of the DVDs, and I can't wait for the movie.

that was probably the reason why Gluttony and Dante had their mini-showdown, she was the victim of her own creation. Though an all out brawl between Ed and Dante would have been cool as well since they both started off with some good moves, then Envy comes in and ruins it :(

[G1Ravage]

So if this episode is supposed to have no title, than where did "Laws and Promises" come from?

[A.Magik]

that was probably the reason why Gluttony and Dante had their mini-showdown, she was the victim of her own creation. Though an all out brawl between Ed and Dante would have been cool as well since they both started off with some good moves, then Envy comes in and ruins it :(

I've said it a bunch of times before, and I'll say it again: I'd prefer if Mustang took care of Envy for killing Hughes. Say Envy tried the 'Hughes' act on Roy, with the latter instantly turning him into a funeral pyre.
BTW, does any of the good guys know that Envy killed Hughes? The first thing Mustang's group knew about the Homunculus was the morph, so it's possible they assumed that one was the murderer. Then again, I guess Mustang decided that the trigger-puller was unimportant, seeing Pride as the real ringleader who organized his best friend's death. He entrusted Ed in taking care of Envy, and considered the thereafter lack of a 'morphing Homunculi' sighting as proof that the job was fulfilled.

A.MAgik

[Riza Hawkeye]

So if this episode is supposed to have no title, than where did "Laws and Promises" come from?
This episode was never given a title in Japan, FUNimation gave it that title. I remember speculation before episode 51 originally aired in Japan that it was going to be entitled 'Rebirth', but that turned out to be false since the episode was left untitled in Japan.

[kashpoing]

Cool episode I cant wait to have the whole show on DVD now and to see the movie but I'm gonna have to look up that thule society .

[herbkir]

I wonder how the Thule Society and related elements will play out in the FMA movie.

In the real world, the Nazis adopted the Thule Society's Aryan racial theories, and coupled them with Karl Haushofer's geopolitical theories, to create their "theology" of taking other countries' territory and enslaving their populations to make living space for Aryans and build land buffers against enemies. Add in the anti-semitism that permeated Germany and the rest of Europe in the 20s, as Jews were blamed for all the post WWI woes. Then add in German parliamentary impotence in the face of economic collapse and social upheaval and our world ended up with Hitler and his Nazi Party taking over Germany and then taking on the whole rest of the world while trying to wipe Jews from the face of the Earth.

I wonder how far into our world's history the FMA movie will go? Will Ed meet Hitler? (No, don't spoil it, please.) It'll be interesting to see when the movie comes out. (^_*)

[Scirel]

I wonder how far into our world's history the FMA movie will go? Will Ed meet Hitler? (No, don't spoil it, please.) It'll be interesting to see when the movie comes out. (^_*)

There is quite a bit of WW2 history in the movie. It's set around the time of the Beerhall putsch.

I won`t say anything else though.

[HeeHaw9]

Here let me answer somebody elses's questions for a change! :D
No Roy is alive! :D
Wrath is alive and he has an arm and a leg made out of automail! He kind of looks like Ed with black hair and different face! :sweat:
Somebody raped Rose, I think it was hinted at that she was raped by one of the soldiers when the war was going on in Lior! :(
Elicia was about 3 or 4 when Hughes died, they just celebrated her birthday! Poor girl. :crying::eek: my sis was thinking the same thing. but then, i thought she had done it with her boyfriend before he died...but she was only 12 right? and yeah...poor elycia.....THANX!:D

[adoptedBatpuppy]

In Manga things differ and characters are not as well touched upon as in the series. Tucker and Nina Chimera both get killed by Scar. :crying:

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I've said it a bunch of times before, and I'll say it again: I'd prefer if Mustang took care of Envy for killing Hughes. Say Envy tried the 'Hughes' act on Roy, with the latter instantly turning him into a funeral pyre.
BTW, does any of the good guys know that Envy killed Hughes? The first thing Mustang's group knew about the Homunculus was the morph, so it's possible they assumed that one was the murderer. Then again, I guess Mustang decided that the trigger-puller was unimportant, seeing Pride as the real ringleader who organized his best friend's death. He entrusted Ed in taking care of Envy, and considered the thereafter lack of a 'morphing Homunculi' sighting as proof that the job was fulfilled.

A.MAgik

I don't think Envy would go down that easily!? :evil: He might be still alive in our world. Maybe, he is that guy who build a rocket to fly to outer space to whom Ed is catching a train ride too. You never know!?

[bklien]

Naturally, someone spoiled the ending of FMA for me months ago, but I was lucky enough not to get all of the details. I knew that Ed and Al were going to be separated at the end of the series, but that's about it.

Definitely one of the more bittersweet endings to any series ever--regardless if anime or live-action. On one hand it was a happy ending, but on another it wasn't, of course. It did leave hope that the Elric brothers would one day find each other, and I'd rather a series end with that small bit of optimism than with everybody dead and gone--or worst yet, another "WTF?" ending...
Conqueror of Shambala spoiler:
The movie "Curse of Shambala" reunites the Elric Brothers, thanks to Al and Wrath.

[peacebyanymeans]

Thats a spoiler!

[Delthayre]

Remarkably, that I read, half-unwittlingly, a spoiler that forewarned me that Ed would die really made this a more interesting experiënce since I had formed the expectation that Ed would sacrifice himself to save Al, and that would be the end of it. The very different real final episode therefore had a chance to genuïnely suprise me.

[Riza Hawkeye]

@bklien - The title for the movie is "Conqueror of Shambala"

[FinnMacCool]

Since it looks like Nazism is going to play a role in the movie, I was wondering if anyone familiar with Japanese culture could tell me what the general view of the Nazis is there? I'm an American, and we were so saturated with anti-Nazi propoganda back during WWII that, even now, most Americans, myself included, automatically associate the word "Nazi" with "evil." However, during WWII, Japan was allied with Germany, which makes me suspect that the common Japanese views of Nazism might be different from what I'm accustomed to.

[Sage Shinigami]

In Manga things differ and characters are not as well touched upon as in the series. Tucker and Nina Chimera both get killed by Scar. :crying:

That doesn't mean things aren't as well touched upon, it just means things are different. The manga, in fact, touches upon more.

Now...a few notes about this episode, then some about the thread:

-Riza Hawkeye is one of the hottest anime women I've ever had the pleasure of seeing.
-Black Hayate has been initiated into my "Hall of Cute Anime Pets". That is all.


Notes about the thread:

-A lot of people early on in the thread mentioned that the show ended like this to lead into the movie. I scanned the whole thread to see if someone said this, but they hadn't. Bzzt! The makers of the show didn't even know there would be a movie when they made the last ep, so for those who consider movies made as an afterthought (a la End of Evangelion) as not the true ending, show's over for you, folks.

-I noticed one person whine about this show's ending being totally different from the manga. Well, for one thing, its different because in Japan, the manga is still running, so the anime would have to be still going on in Japan for it to be the same. Not that this matters, since the mangaka herself said in an issue of NewType USA that she would only allow an adaptation with the caveat that they would make the anime ending different from her manga's ending. I think what she said was something along the lines of: "They are different forms of media, so they should have different endings."

-I also noticed people complaining about Al using alchemy to try to bring Ed back. This is a *good* thing folks. Everyone wants Ed and Al to give up because of what they've learned about alchemy, but if they did, this show would've been over after the Lab Five incident. That would've been one big ball of suck, so just let the boys be optimistic and look for another route to be with each other again.

-Lastly, I noticed one (rather annoying) opinion that Ed and Al should disregard the Law (notice I didn't say theory) of equivalent exchange. I think Dante's speech was your typical villain bullcrap. Equivalent exchange works rather well....just not the way Ed and Al (or most anyone) thinks it should. It works on a universal level, and the universe doesn't care how things balance out as long as they do. A baby dies for no reason. That doesn't seem fair, but someone somewhere will likely walk away from a horrible accident that by all rights they *should* have died in. Some people work all their lives and get nothing, meanwhile there's a rich guy living luxuriously. The rich guy is living off the work of thousands (or millions depending on how rich he is) of people who will never get anywhere. Equivalent exchange is fair....it just may not be fair to you.

That's all on the thread.


Now I just gotta say that I eagerly await the movie, and hate that Roy has that damned patch on his eye like the Fuhrer. Ironic yes, but sometimes ironic = suck. :sad:

[Riza Hawkeye]

-A lot of people early on in the thread mentioned that the show ended like this to lead into the movie. I scanned the whole thread to see if someone said this, but they hadn't. Bzzt! The makers of the show didn't even know there would be a movie when they made the last ep, so for those who consider movies made as an afterthought (a la End of Evangelion) as not the true ending, show's over for you, folks.
Incorrect. The FMA movie was announced before the series ended. The movie annoucnement came mid-July 2004, which was just around episode 40. I made a thread here at that time in the anime forum.

[RAINMAN]

Mustang's revenge was awesome. That was the most awesome way to take the Fuhrer down. Stylish and kick ass and deadly all at the same time. The man has a flair, I must say. So did the Fuhrer's kid end up dying then? If so, well, that's depressing. Riza taking down the Archinator only to cry over Mustang's unconscious body was also really touching.




I loved it too. You can tell mustang ben holding it all in sense huges died and he let it all out. But I have to wonder about fuher family? How could they not know something was not right about that guy? No guy goes around smileing all the time like he does.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I loved it too. You can tell mustang ben holding it all in sense huges died and he let it all out. But I have to wonder about fuher family? How could they not know something was not right about that guy? No guy goes around smileing all the time like he does.

Actually, some people in real life I know are really friendly, and smile every time they say "hi" to you. :sweat:

I would never think when I first watched FMA that Bradley was a bad guy!
Until it was revealed that he was working for Dante... :confused:

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Incorrect. The FMA movie was announced before the series ended. The movie annoucnement came mid-July 2004, which was just around episode 40. I made a thread here at that time in the anime forum.


Just out of curiosity, How many DVD volumes are there to FMA?
Is there going to be box set releases, instead of 4 episodes per DVD?

Thank you.

[Duke]

Is there going to be box set releases, instead of 4 episodes per DVD?
There might be a Yu Yu Hakusho-style release about 2 years or so down the line.

[Riza Hawkeye]

Just out of curiosity, How many DVD volumes are there to FMA?
There will be a total of 13 DVDs, the same number as the Region2, Japanese release.


Is there going to be box set releases, instead of 4 episodes per DVD?

Thank you.
Like Duke said, maybe some time down the line, but FUNimation hasn't annoucned anything like that yet.

[Strollymonster]

Lastly, I noticed one (rather annoying) opinion that Ed and Al should disregard the Law (notice I didn't say theory) of equivalent exchange. I think Dante's speech was your typical villain bullcrap. Equivalent exchange works rather well....just not the way Ed and Al (or most anyone) thinks it should. It works on a universal level, and the universe doesn't care how things balance out as long as they do. A baby dies for no reason. That doesn't seem fair, but someone somewhere will likely walk away from a horrible accident that by all rights they *should* have died in. Some people work all their lives and get nothing, meanwhile there's a rich guy living luxuriously. The rich guy is living off the work of thousands (or millions depending on how rich he is) of people who will never get anywhere. Equivalent exchange is fair....it just may not be fair to you.

In terms of science, Equivalent Exchange/The Law of Conservation does apply and work effectively...however...

The entire point the finale made is that Equivalent Exchange DOESN'T work as a philosophy in the world. Here's a handy (and factual) example: Man and woman have the same job, same experience, and work the same hours. The woman makes less money for the same effort. The same can be applied to race, as well.

Equivalent Exchange states that in order to obtain something, something of equal value must be given. Conversely, if you give something up, you should obtain something of equal value in return. I highlighted the key word that keeps it from being true as a philosophy...it's incorrect because it essentially says that the world of people is based in equality, which we all know it's not.

[RAINMAN]

Actually, some people in real life I know are really friendly, and smile every time they say "hi" to you. :sweat:

I would never think when I first watched FMA that Bradley was a bad guy!
Until it was revealed that he was working for Dante... :confused:


Well that true but it`s like throne said about harvey in batman. The brighter the picture,the darker the nagetive.

[sag_2002]

OT: They're rerunning the very first episode, and we've got the same Double Disclaimer from the other night.

Haven't gotten around to watching this, but it looks like a wild end to the series. Farewell, dear Ed and Al. We knew ye well.

[StarScream64]

Silly me, thinking it would end with some sort of finality. Well, I'd like to think that they'll find each other again, someday. But, honestly, they did do better than I thought they would. Everybody didn't die. :eek:

*reads some of the later posts.* Wait, there's a movie???

[Scorpio_G]

I know it's the first eppisode but man, Ed's such an ass during the first eppisode compare to Ed in the last. (But he doesnt have ANY idea yet about alchemy.)

[purplehairedwonder]

I know it's the first eppisode but man, Ed's such an ass during the first eppisode compare to Ed in the last. (But he doesnt have ANY idea yet about alchemy.)
It's really weird watching the first episode after the finale.

[KojiroTakenashi]

I'm pretty sure Dante WAS spewing villain BS, especially since she didn't even consider herself as part of humanity even more...Notice how her mark is an unwound Ourobouros...

I have a theory that even if Dante were to somehow avoid rotting, that she'd start to unintentionally pay with her memories instead. Equivalency still applies...it was nice to have that theory partially confirmed with the lines about the Brothers maybe "having paid with their experiences".

It was pretty eerie seeing that inert circle being murmured around...

[k-day42]

It's really weird watching the first episode after the finale.

Yeah....so much more light-hearted...

[RAINMAN]

So Envy became the Eternal Dragon and went to the Dragonball universe..... it's all starting to make sense now.

.


Well that explain why the dragon is always in a bad mood when someone is about to make wish. Personaly, I think the creep got off easy.:mad:

[A.Magik]

Well that explain why the dragon is always in a bad mood when someone is about to make wish. Personaly, I think the creep got off easy.:mad:


Movie-spoiler with implications...you're choice to continue down...


About Envy getting off easy...


I don't think so.

A.Magik

[Timmay]

I'm pretty sure Dante WAS spewing villain BS, especially since she didn't even consider herself as part of humanity even more...Notice how her mark is an unwound Ourobouros...

I have a theory that even if Dante were to somehow avoid rotting, that she'd start to unintentionally pay with her memories instead. Equivalency still applies...it was nice to have that theory partially confirmed with the lines about the Brothers maybe "having paid with their experiences".

It was pretty eerie seeing that inert circle being murmured around...

Equivalent Exchange IS a alchemic principle.. but not a universal law. You don't always reap what you sow, a hard working farmer knows this the best.