24 "Day 5: 7:00 pm - 8:00 pm" Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

To the world, he's dead. But soon, he'll become the most wanted man alive.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/wfboards/24s5.jpg24: Season Five
Day 5: 7:00 pm - 8:00 pm

A COMPROMISED CTU FORCES CHANGE ON AN ALL-NEW "24" MONDAY, MARCH 13, ON FOX

When Homeland Security officials Karen Hayes and Miles Papazian arrive at CTU to clean up a worrying situation, they are met with resistance. While CTU faces its own leadership issues, the arrival of Vice President Hal Gardner brings further complications to the Administration, which remains at the mercy of the terrorists in the episode “Day 5: 7:00 PM–8:00 PM” Monday, March 13 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (TWF-513) (TV-14; V) CC-HDTV 720p-Dolby Digital 5.1 PA: Due to some graphic violence, viewer discretion is advised.

Cast: Kiefer Sutherland as Jack Bauer, Carlos Bernard as Tony Almeida, Kim Raver as Audrey Raines, Mary Lynn Rajskub as Chloe O’Brian, Roger Cross as Curtis Manning, Louis Lombardi as Edgar Stiles, James Morrison as Bill Buchanan, Gregory Itzin as President Logan, Jean Smart as First Lady Martha Logan.

Guest Cast: Jayne Atkinson as Karen Hayes, Stephen Spinella as Miles Papazian, Peter Weller as Christopher Henderson, Ray Wise as Vice President Hal Gardner, Jude Ciccolella as Mike Novick, Stana Katic as Collette Stenger, Yorgo Constantine as Mikhail, Peter Weller as Christopher Henderson, Julian Sands as Vladimir Bierko, Elisha Cuthbert as Kim Bauer, C. Thomas Howell as Barry Landes,Glenn Morshower as Agent Aaron Pierce

Comments?

Also, check out the previous two-hour event talkback (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=161841). At the end of the episode visit the 24 "Scenes from the next all-new hour" Talkback (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=161357) thread to discuss the scenes from next week (contains spoilers).

[Lord Dalek]

So I guess the gas threat is going to end fairly quickly, unless these new characters find some way of magically teleporting into lockdown'd CTU

[Carolina Red]

So who will make that ultimate sacrifice that they mentioned at the end of last week's episode?

[solarflere]

Who ever made the call in the last thread about Tony having grudge on Henderson was right on target.

[NickWhiz1]

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:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

...I can't even come up with a response to what I just saw. Needless to say, I think this blow's last week's second episode out of the water.

*****

[SirLemming]

Lynn went out, but he went out like a hero. I was glad to see him redeemed. Love him or hate him (well... heh), that was a really tense scene, when he saw the other guy let go of his breath and die... and then he knew his time was up.

Meanwhile... What IS Henderson? This guy's ridiculous, man... If they thought he was in a coma, he must've been doing something pretty hardcore.

And Tony... The jury's still out on him, I guess. It's hard to say. Does anyone have any insight as to exactly what was in that injection? I may have missed it. It would seem that it might not be too late...

[Youko Recca]

Emotions were flaring like a severe STD in this episode, damn. Great way to follow up last week.

New characters look to be making an entrance next week. Lynn came to terms with his mistake and I can respect that. This whole situation was just insane.

Oh, and I swear if Tony goes out like that, without proper revenge or silent clock, I'll be....unsettled.

[solarflere]

Lynn went out, but he went out like a hero. I was glad to see him redeemed. Love him or hate him (well... heh), that was a really tense scene, when he saw the other guy let go of his breath and die... and then he knew his time was up.

Meanwhile... What IS Henderson? This guy's ridiculous, man... If they thought he was in a coma, he must've been doing something pretty hardcore.

And Tony... The jury's still out on him, I guess. It's hard to say. Does anyone have any insight as to exactly what was in that injection? I may have missed it. It would seem that it might not be too late...Henderson isn't human, you can controll your breathing and heart beat, but to be in a coma, you need to shut down your brain, that that is humanly impossible. I have no idea that was in the needle, but I guess it was worse that what Henderson got.

[SirLemming]

I'd like to note that this was one of the least action-packed episodes of the season... yet everyone was still about to die. Lots of drama.

[Youko Recca]

Hold up....Going back, isn't the dude in bed with the women who's giving Mandy vibes, what's-his-name from Lost? Got to be kidding me.

EDIT: Oh, and is it just me, or does the VP remind anyone of the evil ant from that movie ANTZ?

[Captain Harlock]

Meanwhile... What IS Henderson? This guy's ridiculous, man... If they thought he was in a coma, he must've been doing something pretty hardcore.

He's Robocop.

[RD!]

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butteredtoast6: the
butteredtoast6: ****
butteredtoast6: on
butteredtoast6: ****
butteredtoast6: this
butteredtoast6: stupid
butteredtoast6: ass
butteredtoast6: show
butteredtoast6: *breathes*butteredtoast6: Because that was ludicrously dumb.
butteredtoast6: Doctor: this guy is in a coma Tony: k Guy: aha I tricked the CTU doctor and timed it just right for this occasion--thank God you decided you slowly use a syringe and not the gun you knocked the doctor out with
butteredtoast6: Tony would have shot him

[SirLemming]

In all fairness, Tony was clearly having difficulty with the idea of his revenge. Even if he used the gun, he probably would've hesitated.

[Temple Fugate]

Oh, and I swear if Tony goes out like that, without proper revenge or silent clock, I'll be....unsettled.Agreed.

Yes, that was Desmond from Lost.

"What's with you and breathing?" :p Chloe had the best lines in this episode.

I loved the fake-out when the guard thought he was going to be okay. For a second, I actually believed it.

The writers are finally getting me to like Kim. I guess anything really is possible with this show.

24 #5AFF13: "Day 5: 7:00pm-8:00pm" - ****1/2

11 hours remain... Next week: CTU vs USDoHS

[ToOn~g@l]

Wow I almost cried when that one security guy who was with Lynn was saying goodbye to his daughter before he made that sacrific. The music went perfect with that scene and it also made me feel bad for Lynn. For someone who was the biggest bastard in the last few episodes he went out like a true hero.

I could not believe Kim though, she really needs to understand that her father is just trying to protect her, not abandon her. Jack was trying to tell her that though but she seems to just ignore it and go with her own thoughts.

Great episode though, can't wait for next week.

[Youko Recca]

I could not believe Kim though, she really needs to understand that her father is just trying to protect her, not abandon her. Jack was trying to tell her that though but she seems to just ignore it and go with her own thoughts.


Never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Kim. Well, enough to understand her stance. Whether he likes it or not, Jack attracts way too much death and negativity. Way too much. No normal person should ever have to experience the kind of crap he goes through, it's unbelievable. However, how she carried our her feeling could have maybe been a bit more understanding aswell.

[Gokou Ruri]

Sean Callery's music once again makes the scene. The music that played as Lynn exited the room and made his way to his death to save everyone has got to be my favorite piece by him. My eyes watered when the red shirt said goodbye to his kid and the music that followed is what really made me shed a few tears. Also watching them choke and cringe on the floor was a very tense moment.

Tony's death got me really furious though. After all that build up he gets taken out from this Nina "I'm Not Really in a Coma" Myers wannabe. After Palmer, Michelle, Edgar, Lynn, and Tony, I hope Jack kills Henderson along with all the other terrorists.

Unfortunately, next week doesn't look good for Curtis, according to the previews.. if they kill HIM off now, then I'm going to be extremely pissed

10/10

[Peter Paltridge]

Never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Kim. Well, enough to understand her stance. Whether he likes it or not, Jack attracts way too much death and negativity. Way too much. No normal person should ever have to experience the kind of crap he goes through, it's unbelievable. However, how she carried our her feeling could have maybe been a bit more understanding aswell.
That's the thing--Kim is more right than she'll ever know. I hate to see her treat her dad like this after all he's done for her, but the rules in 24 are that if the camera is on you, something horrible is in your future. It's a smarter decision than she realizes.....

Henderson really IS a pro. I'm willing to believe it--we've seen similar superheroesque things from Jack--in fact, we saw one in this very episode. Holding your breath??? That would only work against nerve gas for two people: Jack Bauer and Harry Henderson (I made up that first name).

Speaking of things overlooked......
Chloe: Jack, if that seal breaks we'll die in three minutes!
Jack: It won't!
And it didn't. It was made of duct tape.

.......

If duct tape would have worked as well as reactivating the ventilation system, then they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble. But then McGill would still be alive, so it's a lose-lose.



If Tony really just died right there, I'm....at peace with it. I don't want him to live without Michelle (call me a sap). Now the two fictional characters would be together again.

[Icer]

Wow that was a waste, they should have just let Tony die with Michelle.

He went out like a chump, getting tricked by Henderson. Bad way to kill off a guy whose been on the show as long as Jack.

And boy, this better be the last time Kim is ever on 24. Talk about stupid, and annoying

The Lynn thing was good, but I wasn't that impressed with this episode. 2/5

[SirLemming]

I don't get all the Kim-hate, I guess because I haven't seen seasons 1-4. I think some people need to get over their grudges against fictional characters. What she said made sense. She can't be part of Jack Bauer's life, because he has the most dangerous and hectic life EVER. I mean, I don't think she was exactly indicating that she never wants to talk to him again, but seriously, it's wise to get away from Jack and CTU during a huge terrorist crisis. And she's an adult, anyway. Jack's gotta let her go.

She could've been more tactful, but Jack Bauer can handle it. He can handle anything. But seriously, you do have to consider whose daughter she is. She was raised by a guy with thick skin and I see that in her.

[Spider-Man]

The ending caught me by surprise. Henderson has taught Jack alot and it seems like they both share the same ability to just be near super-human when it comes to dodging death. Henderson lowering his vitals to fake a coma? Jack holding his breathe to avoid breathing in the nerve agent? I did get a chuckle out of Jack's use of duct-tape to seal off the room. It reminded me of the government's laughable advice to use duct tape to seal off the home incase of an anthrax attack a few years back. I was a bit disapointed to see both McGill and Tony die in this episode. I would've like to have seen more of McGill and Tony being killed was a shock to me. It was heart-breaking to see Jack cradle Tony in his arms. You just know Jack's going all out against Henderson now.

I wonder who else isn't going to make it to the season finale.

[solarflere]

Henderson lowering his vitals to fake a coma?I don't think that is possible at all. He would have to sut down his brain to do that. Comatose means no brain activity (or am I wrong)?

[Tienshin]

Though I was hoping Tony wouldn't submit to his anguish and kill Robocop Henderson I kind of wish he did now. I was really worried that the guard with Lynn was going to lose it and perhaps shoot Lynn to prevent him from leaving the room to access the computer. Tough ending for those two.

Great episode with lots of emotion and suspense. It will be interesting to see how the gutted CTU staff takes to this new command structure that is about to be put in place. Ominious people are heading to CTU, and President Yellow Belly probably won't realize that something is wrong until 3 hours after the season ends.


I don't think that is possible at all. He would have to sut down his brain to do that. Comatose means no brain activity (or am I wrong)?

A coma is merely a deep state of unconciousness, a person in a coma would still show signs of brain activity. I'm not sure how possible faking a comatose state would be in front of trained medical staff, though.

[Temple Fugate]

I don't get all the Kim-hate, I guess because I haven't seen seasons 1-4.A lot of us have leftover grudges for the Kim Bauer character. It's just like in real life, if you have a supid or annoying friend for years, and slowly they start to change into a more tolerable person, but you've already known them as annoying for so long it makes no difference, that's just the impression that's burned into your mind. Kim is kind of like that.

That being said, she has been more tolerable in these last two episodes than ever. The writers sort of worked on "healing" her character's image in season three, and now that there has been a very substantial Kim-less break, we're ready for more. This is the new, improved Kim, who understands how the world of 24 works and wants no part of it. I particularly liked the line about "Both of my parents died in this building..." It never really occured to me before, but that has got to be one hell of a bad impression left in that poor girl.

Some questions now that I've had time to digest this episode:
-Where did the gas go when they pumped it from CTU?
-Is it really possible to lace a gas with an acidic substance?
-If so, wouldn't this acid have also begun to destroy the electrical equipment and computers as well as corroding things like the bio-seals?
-Isn't there a danger that the gas has sort of imbedded itself in certain objects, such as plush chairs? I'm thinking along the terms of how odors build up in fabrics and such. If I were to sit in a gas-permeated chair, would there be enough of it in such close proximity to affect me?

Tony's not dead. The writers can't let it end this way. The vigil is on! Get well soon, Tony. :crying:

[solarflere]

Though I was hoping Tony wouldn't submit to his anguish and kill Robocop Henderson I kind of wish he did now. I was really worried that the guard with Lynn was going to lose it and perhaps shoot Lynn to prevent him from leaving the room to access the computer. Tough ending for those two. When the guard was frieking out, I thought the same thing, that he would shoot lin, but then he would have died anyways if the seals were brieched.


-Where did the gas go when they pumped it from CTU?
-Is it really possible to lace a gas with an acidic substance?
-If so, wouldn't this acid have also begun to destroy the electrical equipment and computers as well as corroding things like the bio-seals?
-Isn't there a danger that the gas has sort of imbedded itself in certain objects, such as plush chairs? I'm thinking along the terms of how odors build up in fabrics and such. If I were to sit in a gas-permeated chair, would there be enough of it in such close proximity to affect me?
I can answer some of them:
1. It was pumped out through the ventilation outside of the building into the sky, I assume that the vents are high enough not to affect the sitizens.
2, I assume so, this is Mil Grade stuff, so they designed it to go through any defenses.
3. I have no idea, amybe it was targeted on the bioseals, and not powerfull enoughto corode anything else.
4. The gas is not a powder, so it will not settle anywhere like dust, including chairs. Once it was pumped out, it was over.

[Peter Paltridge]

http://www.fox.com/24/profiles/ta.htm

:crying:

Right now, your only hope is that the official Fox website is playing a hoax. And Fox doesn't do "viral marketing."

[Azrael24]

:crying:...is...tony really dead?...:crying:

nad i actually felt bad for lynn when he died and that other guy :sad:

i actually also feel bad for kim (although she was being a bit harsh)

and is it just me or does tony remind you of two-face?!


****1/2

[JohnCrichton]

Killing Tony like that was pretty pointless. He should've fallen with Michelle, cuz in the end he ended up not affecting this season's story at all.

But what'd I say? Either Tony or Lynn..... ended up being both.

Two of my move/TV rules. If two characters in an action drama get married... at least one of them has to die.

Another. If someone messes up HUUUUUGE.... they die. They will not pay for their mistake or mess up in jail.

They both fell prey to these rules.

Man, that's a heavy load for the survivors of this show. Palmer, Michelle, Tony, Edgar, 40% of the CTU staff and a partridge in a pear tree.

I hope they're enjoying their meal, cuz they are getting served this season.

Look like they're threatening to do in Curtis next, but I'm positive that's a bluff. I don't see any more significant CTU members going down this season... but maybe the President or someone in his cabinet.

Edit by Bird Boy: Watch the spoilers please.

[solarflere]

http://www.fox.com/24/profiles/ta.htm

:crying:

Right now, your only hope is that the official Fox website is playing a hoax. And Fox doesn't do "viral marketing."NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I hought he was just pricked with the same stuff as Henderson. He can't be dead, he can't be.

on the other note, Tony was an insignificant character this season it it was not that bad. There is no way Curtis will die, all of 24s deaths have been kept secret, and Curtis was in the episode preview. That was a bluff.

[FireStarterLE]

i'd have to agree with earlier comments about not as much action in this episode but the suspense was the biggest part of this episode



7:59 P.M.
Jack enters the clinic and finds Tony and Burke on the ground. Gasping his last breath of life, Tony tells Jack that he couldn’t do it. Jack clutches Tony’s head. Tony dies, and Jack cries with him still in his arms.
man, what a way to go ..... no revenge, no kill me and you at the same time, nothing. If anything this will put Jack in a "shoot to kill" mode once he finds Henderson


I don't see any more significant CTU members going down this season... but maybe the President or someone in his cabinet. If the president goes down i'm thinking it may be along side the VP, after it seems that this "martial law" will be a mistake, and they'll be impeached or something like that.

[ClockStomper]

"Tony! Hang on!"

"She's gone.." (meaning what's the point of holding onto life?)

Such a heart wrenching moment...could some kind soul make me an avatar of Jack clutching onto Tony?


As for Kim, I'd have more sympathy for her if she had on a tighter shirt. :p

[okendri]

Before the episode aired I thought Tony would be the one to sacrifice himself to save CTU. At least they came up with a way for Lyn to make up for his mistake, but did they have to take down a red suit with him. Do these guys ever get a break?

"My name is Tony Almeida. You killed my wife Michelle this morning. Prepare to die."

[solarflere]

I thought that Tony would play a major role in this season, what was the point of keeping him alive? They should have killed him with his wife. He was absolutely pointless this season.

[bigddan11]

I called Tony dying this week, and as for those who want to know if it was the same stuff that Lynn had stuffed into him, it was the same stuff, but to much of a dose at one time could kill a person. That's why Jack told the doctor to take the injections slowly.. I suspected Lynn would die as well since he was only a "guest star," but Sean Atkins played his role to perfection this season. He almost redeemed himself by willingly giving his life to save the others trapped ni CTU, but I must wonder why on Earth did they bring Jack's daughter ni if she was only going to appear for these three episodes? It looks like next week should be big though as CTU is offically taken over by the Homeland Security Council, but Martial Law should be done away with right now.

[EinBebop]

I thought that Tony would play a major role in this season, what was the point of keeping him alive?I read a newspaper article with him that said that was the original plan, but they decided killing all three characters at once was too much.


...but I must wonder why on Earth did they bring Jack's daughter ni if she was only going to appear for these three episodes?1) If this really was it for her this season, I feel like it was a good use of her character. A lot of people were happy to see her again, and she didn't overstay her welcome.

2) I'm a little suspicious that noone really knows what's become of Chase.

[Terminatah]

I called Tony dying this week,What you actually said was that you thought he would be the one to make the "ultimate sacrifice" spelled out in last week's preview, which is not what happened. So you are kinda misrepresenting yourself here. ;)


and as for those who want to know if it was the same stuff that Lynn had stuffed into him, it was the same stuff, but to much of a dose at one time could kill a person. That's why Jack told the doctor to take the injections slowly..I think you mean Henderson, not Lynn.


I suspected Lynn would die as well since he was only a "guest star,"This is true, you did vocalize this suspicion, but let me just say that I do not agree with the reasoning, because there have been cast members in the past whose first season on the show has been as guest stars, only to be officially added to the cast for later seasons.


but Sean Atkins played his role to perfection this season.His name is Sean Astin. Or, if you prefer, "fat hobbit."

-Terminatah

[Lord Dalek]

His name is Sean Astin. Or, if you prefer, "fat hobbit."
Correction "Stuuuupid fat hobbit".

[RD!]

EDIT: Oh, and is it just me, or does the VP remind anyone of the evil ant from that movie ANTZ?
Yes.

[Peter Paltridge]

I just read on a 24 forum that the week Jack Bauer died in season two, fox changed his profile picture to DECEASED on the website. Tony's DECEASED picture is what ended most of the "Is He Alive" debate, but what if this was just to throw us off?

Plus, Howard Gordon, when asked if Tony had died, swerved from the question and just basically said "maybe."

Hmm.

[The Penguin]

Well I had managed to fall behind so I had a four hour marathon last night. I think I finally caught my breath a couple of hours ago. I hope to confine my comments mostly to the last hour, but I may slip in a comment or two from earlier, either on purpose or without even thinking.

:sad: Wow, Edgar's death was really something. His reaction and the look on his face as he fell was just too much. I had to stop my tape and I just sat there and cried for a minute. :crying:

Now to hopefully just this week...
The intensity of this episode was pretty strong with so many bodies and so few sealed in the rooms. One canister of that evil stuff can cause quite a bit of damage.

Lynn had really go off the deep end in the last few episodes, but he made the ultimate sacrifice for the people who had locked him up there. It was sad watching Henry (I think) say good-bye to his daughter. If he had just told someone about his key card.

Kim is in and back out it appears. Unless Jack ends up back at DOD (which I doubt), she can never be sure if she will hear about him being dead again, only this time it being for real.

In addition to being Robocop, the background on Christopher Henderson has led me to believe that he is basically an older version of Jack so if anyone can fake a coma it would be him. Bear in mind it was not the doctor that said he was in a coma, but the agent. While the man most likely has some medical training, he is probably not qualified to officially diagnose anyone.

Is Tony dead? I don't want to declare for sure until tonight, but it seems that way. I assumed that the shot he was about to give was just more of what Henderson had been getting. The interrogator acted like any more of it would kill him.

Logan sure knows how to pick 'em doesn't he? Vice President Hal Gardner would have been confirmed by the Senate, but the man is a military whackjob. How someone so weak would end up with someone that strong is beyond me. Gardner was probably pushed on him by the leadership.

When people were talking about Tony's bio, I looked at Logan's (http://www.fox.com/24/profiles/cl.htm) and he wasn't even in Washington before he was VP!! According to the site, when Martha mentions "Congress" she means of California. After that he was Lt. Governor which is an elected position in the Golden State. So then-Senator Keeler must have picked Logan to help him take California from (presumably) Vice President Prescott. Good reason electorally I suppose.


And in case anyone has been thinking that Vice President Gardner looks familiar (I know I was), Ray Wise was California Gov. Tillman last season on The West Wing and played Liko (the main Mintakan) in the Star Trek: TNG episode, Who Watches The Watchers? (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TNG/episode/68410.html).

[Lord Dalek]

And in case anyone has been thinking that Vice President Gardner looks familiar (I know I was), Ray Wise was California Gov. Tillman last season on The West Wing and played Liko (the main Mintakan) in the Star Trek: TNG episode, Who Watches The Watchers? (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TNG/episode/68410.html).He also had a sizable roll on a little series called Twin Peaks.

[Temple Fugate]

And in case anyone has been thinking that Vice President Gardner looks familiar (I know I was), Ray Wise was California Gov. Tillman last season on The West Wing and played Liko (the main Mintakan) in the Star Trek: TNG episode, Who Watches The Watchers? (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TNG/episode/68410.html).No wonder I hate the guy so much. That ******* shot Picard!

So, a friend of mine asked me the other day if someone on 24's writing staff is a comic book fan. Charles, Logan, Hal, Gardner. Who's the Speaker of the House, Bruce Pennyworth?

EDIT: I have been the 42nd poster in two consecutive 24 talkbacks. Hmm.