Late Night B&W 1-5-02

[J Lee]

A semi-interesting all-Porky show:

A Coy Decoy (Clampett 1941) -- edited
Ali Baba Bound (Clampett 1940)
Boom Boom (King 1936)
Golddiggers of `49 (Avery 1935)
Meet John Doughboy (Clampett 1941)
Porky the Giant Killer (Hardaway-Dalton 1939)

The interesting thing is the revelation that Cartoon Network has two black and white prints of "A Coy Decoy" in their library -- the one used last night is the one Warners made the computer colorized version from, and includes the wrong opening title music and the edit of the "Black Beauty" scene. When "A Coy Decoy" aired about a year ago, the cartoon was uncut and with the correct opening title music (though clipped at the beginning).

Even with the edit, there were still three other rarely-shown cartoons on the show, and IIRC, this was the LNB&W debut for "Meet John Doughboy," which has aired in color on the Bob Clampett show.

[mcanzoneri]

Actually, "Meet John Doughboy" has played on LNB&W before. I have a copy from CN. I was also surprised to see the edited "A Coy Decoy." I also have a tape of that one unedited. I did see this morning, the Geronimo/Cassidy scene from "Gift Wrapped in its entirety." :eek: Strange world, isn't it? :confused:

[hiphats]

...and still, no Bosko, no Buddy.

[Matthew Hunter]

Memorable episode: I didn't have any of these in black and white form, two of them I didn't have at all. The edit to "Coy Decoy" didn't bother me...I got a sepia tone print the other day on a PD tape, and the censored footage was okay, so all I did was dub the LNB/W version onto another tape, stop when Daffy began to sing, and then dub the censored scene onto it, then resume from the other tape. Looks seamless, 'cept for the brownish tint in that one scene. The two Beans cartoons were interesting to watch...I wonder why they scrapped him? Porky, by this point, was nothing more than a sniveling fat wimp, and in Avery's "Golddiggers" he's more like the later "Porky's Poppa". I think Beans is the better character here. Had Bob Clampett not come in to develop and define Porky, I would've said "keep the cat, lose the pig". Turned out for the better, though, but I wonder what Clampett or Jones could've done with Beans.
-Matthew

[Pietro]

I think the reason why they scrapped Beans was because the audience didn't like him as they did with Porky. It was Avery's "Plane Dippy" that the audience found a star in Porky. But also at the same time, Jack King tried to come up with ideas for more Beans cartoons and really didn't use Porky much. Very interesting show, although I already have all of these in their B&W form.

-Pietro:D

[J Lee]

King only did one really interesting cartoon with Porky, 1936's "Fish Tales." His problem seems to be he prefered the more dramatic, Disney-style of cartoon he had worked on for Walt in the past, while Avery (and later Clampett) found that a passive Porky could be used as a springboard for any type of wild gag or outragous character, because the pig's passive/weak personality allowed the dirctor to introduce other strong elements (Tashlin's style was actually closer to King than to Avery in a lot of his early LTs, but he was both a far better gag man and better at creating more interesting camera angles and montages, so "Porky in the Northwoods" is a lot better cartoon than "Shanghied Shipmates").

[John Doe]

Did Joe Dougherty do the voice of Porky in Golddiggers of '49? The voice sounded more like Porky's poppa in Porky the Rain-Maker and Milk and Money.

[Emmanuel Cruz]

Originally posted by John Doe
Did Joe Dougherty do the voice of Porky in Golddiggers of '49? The voice sounded more like Porky's poppa in Porky the Rain-Maker and Milk and Money.

Joe Dougherty did Porky's voice in "Golddiggers of '49" only that his voice wasn't sped up. Dougherty also did Porky's Poppa in "Porky the Rainmaker" and "Milk and Money."

[Mike]

Originally posted by J Lee
A semi-interesting all-Porky show:

A Coy Decoy (Clampett 1941) -- edited
Ali Baba Bound (Clampett 1940)
Boom Boom (King 1936)
Golddiggers of `49 (Avery 1935)
Meet John Doughboy (Clampett 1941)
Porky the Giant Killer (Hardaway-Dalton 1939)



I enjoyed the episode. Except for Porky the Giant Killer, none of those cartoons are really overplayed (although Boom Boom is getting there). I, too, hadn't seen Meet John Doughboy on LNB&W. Biggest treat, though: Golddiggers of '49. While I've seen this cartoon before, I think it's a classic, and really quite funny for a 1935 WB cartoon. I can even overlook that Porky seems to have a cat like Beans for a daughter (interracial marriage, perhaps? :bosko: ). Anyhoo, a good episode, although I suppose an all-PD Betty Boop episode is coming next week... :rolleyes:

Mike

[Pietro]

"Meet John Doughboy" did air in B&W before on LNB&W in November, 2000.

-Pietro:D

[PorkyandDaffy]

Nice to see a rare-filled LNB&W...I just wish I hadn't seen these cartoons before. Showing AFRICA SQUEAKS or INJUN TROUBLE (both which I am dying to see) instead of THE GIANT KILLER would've been better.

[John Doe]

Originally posted by PorkyandDaffy
Nice to see a rare-filled LNB&W...I just wish I hadn't seen these cartoons before. Showing AFRICA SQUEAKS or INJUN TROUBLE (both which I am dying to see) instead of THE GIANT KILLER would've been better.

Injun Trouble was shown on LNB&W just a few weeks ago. :D

[lislebartman]

Originally posted by J Lee
The interesting thing is the revelation that Cartoon Network has two black and white prints of "A Coy Decoy" in their library -- the one used last night is the one Warners made the computer colorized version from, and includes the wrong opening title music and the edit of the "Black Beauty" scene.

The computer-colored version of "A Coy Decoy" that I have is off of Nickelodeon back in the early '90s. There is a slightly different edit of the "Black Beauty" scene. Daffy begins singing "I Can't Get Along, Little Doggy" and jumps onto the copy of "Black Beauty". He's being bucked up and down and then there is a quick jump-cut (in slow-mo) of Porky turning his head as he watches Daffy get tossed into "The Lake" and continues with his song. You don't see 'Black Beauty', but you can tell there was an edit.

Also, the opening theme music is the correct music for the 1941-1942 season of shorts.

[J Lee]

Also, the opening theme music is the correct music for the 1941-1942 season of shorts.

Nope, the new Looney Tunes theme debuted with 1941's "Porky's Bear Facts" and was also on "A Coy Decoy." The uneidted version CN ran last year had the correct theme, though the opening was clipped, while the version CN ran on Sunday used the theme music Stalling debuted on 1939's "Porky the Gob" and used through early 1941 (though "The Timid Toreador" used the 1938 theme music and "Joe Glow the Firefly" had its own unique opening music that sounded a little bit like the 1955 version of the LT theme).

"A Coy Decoy's" opening does sound better and more authentic than those 1941-42 B&W Looney Tunes that were given the 1937 opening title music, but it's still wrong.