OK, I missed New Years Eve-il...what'd I miss? [Archive]

Naraht

01-01-2002, 08:53 AM

Anything? (I think they aired the end of the Cell Saga from DBZ...)
I dunno, I know there was A batman ep...(I've seen them all...and I needed sleep. >=p )

Yes, for the 1st time since I was small......I slept through Midnight...

Yeah, I'll probably die or something.

Bleh!

STOP LOOKING AT ME!

EEEK!!!

NOOO! I'm Sorry! I'm SORRY!!!!

PeppeRaskell1

01-01-2002, 10:09 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by naraht
Anything? (I think they aired the end of the Cell Saga from DBZ...)
I dunno, I know there was A batman ep...(I've seen them all...and I needed sleep. >=p )

Yes, for the 1st time since I was small......I slept through Midnight...

Yeah, I'll probably die or something.

Bleh!

I stayed up for the 10:00 pm show, only because they showed a Samurai Jack episode at 11:30 (what drooling fangirl wouldn't want to ring in the New Year with him?) :bosko: I was still worked up after watching it, so I watched a little of Toonami's "New Year's Evil" marathon. "Majin Buu" was the biggest vote getter (about 46,000, I think). I turned it off after 15 minutes and a Croissant Pocket.

DBZ ain't my cup o' tea.

Pulpman

01-01-2002, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by PeppeRaskell1
"Majin Buu" was the biggest vote getter (about 46,000, I think). [/B]
That is just sad.

Jowy Blight

01-01-2002, 12:56 PM

Majin Buu has only been on a few episodes, yet he gets the most votes. That make no sense at all.

One of the things you missed was the final episode of Mobile Suit Gundam.

Naraht

01-01-2002, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Jowy Blight
Majin Buu has only been on a few episodes, yet he gets the most votes. That make no sense at all.

One of the things you missed was the final episode of Mobile Suit Gundam.

oh well, I missed all the other eps too, so I guess it all evens out.

Buu might have gotten extra votes...cause people want to see the new eps (but CN can't air them yet...)

THat's my thought.

What Bat ep did they air?

Jowy Blight

01-01-2002, 01:09 PM

Heh, I kinda fell asleep after Mobile Suit Gundam went off, so I don't know.

Caped Crusader

01-01-2002, 02:26 PM

They showed the Batman episode "The Last Laugh".(I wasn't up myself,so I set my V.C.R.)

Majin Vegeta

01-01-2002, 02:43 PM

Can you tell us unfortunate people who missed it what happened in the last episode of Mobile Suit Gundam?

I.R Joey

01-01-2002, 05:01 PM

Well the last episode basically revolved around Char and Amuro fighting it out as the war draws to an end. Amuro is basically after Char for dragging Lala into the war. So they duke it out using their psychic abilites and their mobile suits. Finally Sela convinces the 2 of them that they shouldn't fight and that the Zabi family is the true evil. Then Char goes and blows up lady Cassilia with a bazooka.

Meanwhile Whitebase is under siege, and the crew are fighting like crazy, Amuro uses his his telepathy to tell them how to get out of their situation. They leave just as the whitebase blows up. Everyone cry's cuz they think he's dead. Suddenly the kids start laughing and seemingly giving directions to an imaginary person. The adults try to quite them but then they realize that it's Amuro escaping in a spacecraft. Then the narrorator ends the show sayign that the war has come to an end.

And it was sad the Buu got so many votes. Even more shocking was Raditz getting so many, I personally think Vegita was cooler, heck even Freeza was. But at least my boys Kagato and Char got their props.

LightAngel

01-01-2002, 06:15 PM

How exactly did the rest of the villians wind up rating? Also, what episode of Gundam Wing did they air?

HellCat

01-01-2002, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by I.R Joey
Well the last episode basically revolved around Char and Amuro fighting it out as the war draws to an end. Amuro is basically after Char for dragging Lala into the war. So they duke it out using their psychic abilites and their mobile suits. Finally Sela convinces the 2 of them that they shouldn't fight and that the Zabi family is the true evil. Then Char goes and blows up lady Cassilia with a bazooka.

Meanwhile Whitebase is under siege, and the crew are fighting like crazy, Amuro uses his his telepathy to tell them how to get out of their situation. They leave just as the whitebase blows up. Everyone cry's cuz they think he's dead. Suddenly the kids start laughing and seemingly giving directions to an imaginary person. The adults try to quite them but then they realize that it's Amuro escaping in a spacecraft. Then the narrorator ends the show sayign that the war has come to an end.

And it was sad the Buu got so many votes. Even more shocking was Raditz getting so many, I personally think Vegita was cooler, heck even Freeza was. But at least my boys Kagato and Char got their props.

Raditz was cool, a true villian. He takes Kakarotto's son, beats up Kurrin with a swish of his tail and came very close to killing Son and Piccolo.
And the correct words for Char and Amuro's abilities are Newtype powers

Jowy Blight

01-01-2002, 11:20 PM

But at least my boys Kagato and Char got their props.

I second that! :) But it's really too bad we didn't get to see the episodes leading up to the last episode of MSG. :(

Well, next is Zeta Gundam, right?

Mr. Obsession

01-02-2002, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by Jowy Blight

I second that! :) But it's really too bad we didn't get to see the episodes leading up to the last episode of MSG. :(

Well, next is Zeta Gundam, right?

They still have to air 0083, then comes Zeta. But the next series that they're dubbing is G Gundam.

I was very happy that they finally aired the last ep, and while it might have been nice to see the two or three that came before it but never got aired, well at least I've seen the end.

Buu might have gotten extra votes...cause people want to see the new eps (but CN can't air them yet...)

That's probably part of the reason. On the page that had the ballet, the pic for Buu was one of the later versions, so people might have voted for him thinking they'd get a sneak peak. As far as I know Funi hasn't even given CN any new DBZ ep's yet.

I'd say the other reason he got so many votes was because he's the newest DBZ villain and as such he hasn't had indefinite repeats yet.

HellCat

01-02-2002, 06:35 AM

Although we won't get Zeta Gundam this year, we will get G Gundam, Char's Counterattack and G-Saviour. I really wish Bandai sold DVDs in the UK :(

electricsheep

01-02-2002, 07:28 AM

IMO, Cartoon Network should air Gundam X(After War X-Gundam) before they air G Gundam...

HellCat

01-02-2002, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by electricsheep
IMO, Cartoon Network should air Gundam X(After War X-Gundam) before they air G Gundam...

I'm not sure. Gundam X is a series which works best if the viewer knows alot about U.C. Gundam.

electricsheep

01-02-2002, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Blight Man

I'm not sure. Gundam X is a series which works best if the viewer knows alot about U.C. Gundam.

why do you say that? GX doesn't take place in U.C.

Naraht

01-02-2002, 08:37 AM

Bloody hell......just how many Gundams are there?
It's worse than Star Trek!

kiddiesunshine

01-02-2002, 10:28 AM

really! and i don't know jack squat about gundam.

HellCat

01-02-2002, 12:26 PM

The Gundam animes are:

Mobile Suit Gundam, Gundam:08th MS Team, Gundam: War in the Pocket, Gundam: Stardust Memory, Zeta Gundam, Gundam ZZ, Gundam: Char's Counterattack, Gundam F91, Victory Gundam, G Gundam, Gundam Wing, Gundam Wing:Endless Waltz, Gundam X, Turn A Gundam

HellCat

01-02-2002, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by electricsheep

why do you say that? GX doesn't take place in U.C.

Well, Gundam X uses Newtypes. Newtypes were explained in U.C. Gundam, so that's why I say that

Mr. Obsession

01-02-2002, 01:07 PM

And Gundam X kind of, sort of has it's own explanation of what Newtypes are. Besides, I saw most of it before I started the UC stuff, and I understood what was going on.

After G's been dubbed I think they'll do Zeta. Then X, then ZZ, then Turn A, then... well F-91 and Victory.

HellCat

01-02-2002, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Obsession
And Gundam X kind of, sort of has it's own explanation of what Newtypes are. Besides, I saw most of it before I started the UC stuff, and I understood what was going on.

After G's been dubbed I think they'll do Zeta. Then X, then ZZ, then Turn A, then... well F-91 and Victory.

I think after G, we'll get Zeta and ZZ, then Gundam X, then F91 and V, then Turn A

Mr. Obsession

01-02-2002, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Blight Man

I think after G, we'll get Zeta and ZZ, then Gundam X, then F91 and V, then Turn A Well... that would make sense. But why would Bandai want to do that? :D

HellCat

01-02-2002, 01:35 PM

I think it's obvious though why G was chosen- the success of DBZ. G has action, but it also has a good plot (Domon searching for the Devil Gundam, how the Gundam Fight is destroying Earth)

Jowy Blight

01-02-2002, 03:20 PM

Looks like I still have alot to see. :)

Leaping Larry Jojo

01-02-2002, 03:56 PM

There is a reason why they might show Turn A earlier than V or ZZ. It has slicker animation, and that always goes over better with the suits. On the other hand, several of the first 25 episodes have almost no action, so some it wouldn't quite fit into the Toonami mold.

We'll see. I'll give my Turn A DVDs another spin before I can come to a conclusion about how that show will probably be handled.

Notice that I'm not going by how I think Bandai will release it, but CN. I'm inclined to think that CN will be the ones who ultimately decide what airs first, which in turn will affect the video/DVD release. By that, I think that the order will be like this:

G, G-Saviour, X, (possibly Turn A), Zeta, ZZ, Char's Counterattack, F-91, V.

HellCat

01-02-2002, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo
There is a reason why they might show Turn A earlier than V or ZZ. It has slicker animation, and that always goes over better with the suits. On the other hand, several of the first 25 episodes have almost no action, so some it wouldn't quite fit into the Toonami mold.

We'll see. I'll give my Turn A DVDs another spin before I can come to a conclusion about how that show will probably be handled.

Notice that I'm not going by how I think Bandai will release it, but CN. I'm inclined to think that CN will be the ones who ultimately decide what airs first, which in turn will affect the video/DVD release. By that, I think that the order will be like this:

G, G-Saviour, X, (possibly Turn A), Zeta, ZZ, Char's Counterattack, F-91, V.

G-Saviour and Char's Counterattack are released on DVD on the 22nd of January.
I really want them to dub Turn A last. It has components from all the other Gundam series, so it should be the last one done.

Majin Vegeta

01-02-2002, 04:10 PM

I think that for clarity's sake they should show all of the Gundam series, and in the order that they came out.

HellCat

01-02-2002, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Majin Vegeta
I think that for clarity's sake they should show all of the Gundam series, and in the order that they came out.

I'd like that to, but I doubt it will ever happen. Bandai dubbed Wing first, thus spawning groups of fans who reckon that it is the greatest Gundam series ever, flame those that don't agree, and reckon MSG, 08th, etc were based on Wing. Maybe in the future, once they've all been dubbed and if we're really, really lucky, CN might do a Gundam Week, showing MSG-Turn A.

Leaping Larry Jojo

01-02-2002, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Blight Man

G-Saviour and Char's Counterattack are released on DVD on the 22nd of January.
I really want them to dub Turn A last. It has components from all the other Gundam series, so it should be the last one done.

I would not be surprised if Toonami is loony enough to air CCA before Zeta or ZZ. They've done worse.

G-Saviour, yep, I bet it'll air around mid-2002.

Turn A does have components of the previous Gundams, but it's more of a homage than anything else. Turn A really doesn't elaborate on how the universes are connected. So I consider it more of a short salute to its 20 something year history.

HellCat

01-02-2002, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo
G-Saviour, yep, I bet it'll air around mid-2002.

Would CN show G-Saviour? It's not animated, it's live action with CGI MS

Leaping Larry Jojo

01-02-2002, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by Blight Man

Would CN show G-Saviour? It's not animated, it's live action with CGI MS

If it has CGI, it'll end up on TV one day.

Despite the fact that it sucks blow-hard. ;)

HellCat

01-02-2002, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo

If it has CGI, it'll end up on TV one day.

Despite the fact that it sucks blow-hard. ;)

That's what I've heard, but I'd like to get to see it at least once

I.R Joey

01-02-2002, 08:19 PM

i THINK we're forgetting about the Midnight run, seriously we could have one series air during the midnight run, and another air during the afternoon run. That seems to make sense because we could cover more ground.

BTW would anyone else find it somewhat sad if Gundam X gets a bunch of praise from Toonami fans, who scorned the original MSG?

HellCat

01-02-2002, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by I.R Joey
i THINK we're forgetting about the Midnight run, seriously we could have one series air during the midnight run, and another air during the afternoon run. That seems to make sense because we could cover more ground.

BTW would anyone else find it somewhat sad if Gundam X gets a bunch of praise from Toonami fans, who scorned the original MSG?

I'd actually expect it. X has more up to date animation, so I'd expect the kiddies to swarm on it. But X still hasn't been dubbed, so we'll wait and see

Jowy Blight

01-02-2002, 11:35 PM

I'm still puzzled on how Zechs had more votes then Char, they were pretty much the same character.

Mr. Obsession

01-03-2002, 01:57 AM

Right now I suspect that Bandai will alternate between UC and Alternate until they're all done. It's just that we have no clue as to what comes next until Bandai announces it.

I also suspect that the alternates will make the afternoon Toonami run, but the rest of the UC series will be Midnight run exclusive

I'm inclined to think that CN will be the ones who ultimately decide what airs first, which in turn will affect the video/DVD release.

It's the other way around, CN and Bandai negotiate for what CN will air. But ultimately CN can only air what Bandai has dubbed, and only Bandai decides what will be dubbed. Besides Bandai put their foot down and told CN that they couldn't air any of the UC series until MSG was shown. If CN was in charge don't you think they would have tried to show Zeta or ZZ instead?

I'm still puzzled on how Zechs had more votes then Char, they were pretty much the same character.

It just reflects a sad state of current affairs.

HellCat

01-03-2002, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by Jowy Blight
I'm still puzzled on how Zechs had more votes then Char, they were pretty much the same character.

Even though I live in the UK, I voted and voted for Char :D because 1 Loads of US Gundam fans wanted to see the last few episodes 2 Gundam Wing has been shown more then enough 3 Char is cool :D

Jowy Blight

01-03-2002, 10:34 AM

I voted and voted for Char

I'm sure everyone who wanted to see the rest of MSG voted for Char, because I did too. :D

Majin Vegeta

01-03-2002, 11:03 AM

I for got to vote. :(

But I think the reason people scorned MSG was because of its poor and old style animation. If they had made a remake with modern animation, it would have been much better.

The story is very involving, but the animation is all just cut and pasted and the Gundam makes the exact same movements every time it is launched, etc.

It reminds me of Scooby Doo, where the animation of the running characters is the exact same every time.

Leaping Larry Jojo

01-03-2002, 11:17 AM

Mr. O: Honestly, if CN had the choice, I would think that Zeta and ZZ are the *last* ones they'd air. They are rather unimpressive for many of today's audiences, from a visual standpoint. Which brings me to...

Majin Vegeta: Actually, I think the MSG story would be vastly different if re-animated and storyboarded to today's sensibilities. Yes, part of this is nostalgia, but I think the pacing and structure would not make it stand out as a historical curiosity as much.

Majin Vegeta

01-03-2002, 11:29 AM

I agree. The basic story and plot are good, that's what I meant. :)

Amuro and all of the other characters are way too stiff and formal. They act like they're in Start Trek or something. Heck, even their clothes look like Star Trek costumes. :p

Majin Vegeta

01-03-2002, 11:30 AM

Oh and as for the pacing, yes, that too should be changed, with longer fights and more emphasis on action and combat, like DBZ. This would guarantee popularity.

Leaping Larry Jojo

01-03-2002, 11:58 AM

LOL, actually, sometimes I felt the battles in MSG dragged a bit. More character development and loving camera shots of Sayla Mass and Lalah, I say! :D

HellCat

01-03-2002, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Majin Vegeta
Oh and as for the pacing, yes, that too should be changed, with longer fights and more emphasis on action and combat, like DBZ. This would guarantee popularity.

Then that would be changing one of the themes of Gundam- war is hell. If the heroes were always so quick to violence, it would show them as uncaring and un-humane.

I.R Joey

01-03-2002, 09:32 PM

You know under consideration I have come to the conclusion that though Zech was copied from Char, they are in fact somewhat diffrent. I mean Zech I believe is more hidden and driven by a sense of honor (well until the last few eps I think.) While Char is more like Odyseus from Homer's epic, he'll do whatever kind of underhanded thing he has to if it will get him to his ultimate goal.

Zech always goes into battle making sure that he is always superior or at least equal to his opponents. Char will go into battle with a handicap and then out calculate or manipulate his opponent through his actions or words. I mean he played Amuro like a patzy a bunch of times.

Zech seems a little more flamboiant with the things he does. While Char is more of a person who rely's on guile and calculated thought.

There are more but that's my list for now.

Leaping Larry Jojo

01-03-2002, 10:08 PM

In other words, Zechs is stupid and Char is smart. End of story. :D

Actually, Char does have a twisted sense of honour (his treatment of captives, his love for Lalah Sun--a "mother" figure and sort-of lover to him...), but his motivations are far more complex than Zechs'. Zechs is more or less driven by ideals, while for Char, everything is personal.

Honestly, the whole look and idea behind Zechs really originates from Char. The helmet, the good looks, the charisma...

Except that Zechs is really quite stupid and Char is smarter. :D

Majin Vegeta

01-03-2002, 11:13 PM

Char is the perfect villain, he's so smart and complex. And he's not the stereotypical monster who likes to kill everyone, he's more subtle and intelligent. :)

electricsheep

01-04-2002, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by Majin Vegeta
Oh and as for the pacing, yes, that too should be changed, with longer fights and more emphasis on action and combat, like DBZ. This would guarantee popularity.

the last thing Gundam needs to be like is DBZ, Gundam is not an all out fighting series with little to no depth...

0079 is complex in its nature and should not be dumbed down for a newer generation, that's why we have Gundam X... :D

Majin Vegeta

01-04-2002, 12:01 PM

But the animation is still too old- if that were made better, then it would be great. (it still is, even without the animation).

James Harvey

01-04-2002, 12:54 PM

I was dissapointed, overall, with the lack of Batman in the marathon. Clearly they could have fgiven us two episodes, or maybe even throw in a Superman, or even Batman Beyond episodes. I guess the votes just didn't work in Batman, Superman, and Terry's favor. But enough with the over-excessive DBZ. I like the show a smuch as the next person...but CN is just going overboard with the show it seems, by airing it Too Much!!