Would You Quit The Bat-Books If...

[James Harvey]

...Bruce Wayne turned out to be the murderer. I know there is a small chance of that happening - heck I don't think it will, but what if DC made the same mistake they did with their other heroes like Hal Jordan and turned Bats to a psychotic murderer?

I'm not sure if I would step down - but would you? Comments?

[Bruce Wayne]

Thats a good question. Although thats probably a very, small, particle of a particle chance, I probably wouldn't. If he did kill his parents(thats what you mean right? the "if he turned out to be *the* murderer threw me off) I wouldn't because he has served his time to bring other criminals to justice.

Now if it was "if he turned into *a* murderer" then I wouldnt keep reading his comics or watch his show. I can't stand a hero who has murdered anyone, with the exception of accidents or a senerio where there was no choice, like for Drake.

EDIT: Hee hee... i jsut realized something, my name IS Bruce Wayne... hee hee.

[The Game]

No.

[peterparker05]

I'd be flabbergasted if he actually killed someone, but I wouldn't abandon the book. As much as i'd hate that event, I'd like to know what they followed it with.

[James Harvey]

Ya gotta admit - It'd be an interesting turn of events. I'd stay on at least until the whole thing was explained, but after that -- who knows. I still can't see DC doing something this extreme with the character. Granted Batman started out as a killer, but that was before his background got established. It' dbe weird ot see him turn into a killer...

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Bruce Wayne
Thats a good question. Although thats probably a very, small, particle of a particle chance, I probably wouldn't. If he did kill his parents(thats what you mean right? the "if he turned out to be *the* murderer threw me off)

Actually, I think he's referring to the events in the recent 10 cent adventure comic.

[The Guard]

The fact that Batman doesn't kill is what makes him great. If DC turned Batman into a killer, I'd quit the books in a heartbeat. It's not so much that he'd be a killer, but that he'd killed an innocent person.

[Poison Carley]

Do you have another name at the DC boards Dick? Like someone posted this topic word for word over there.

[James Harvey]

I'm DickGrayson] on the official DC Boards as well, buit that post inspired me to put this one up. It's almost word for word I just thought it was a really interesting question.

Now - what if he killed a guilty person?

[Barb Gordon]

I'm not sure what I would do. I'd probably keep reading, just to see how they would do things. I mean, yes, what makes Batman so great is that he doesn't kill. And if he did? It might be interesting to see how he'd deal with it and what that murder would affect in his life. Could be quite interesting, or not.

Barb^-^

[Cassandra]

If he actually does kill somebody....I'll be a little upset that his morals broke on some random guy and not , sayy....more recently, in a church, with a clown Nightwing had already offed?
(sorry, Dick, but really ...)

[Russkafin]

I don't know, but it seems like Bruce really is starting to crack up... if you read the last issue of Gotham Knights you know what I'm talking about.

I'm actually getting pretty close to abandoning the Bat books now as it is, but I've been hoping this Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Bruce Wayne: Fugitive storyline would bring back my interest. I really don't think the Bat books have done anything good since No Man's Land, yet I continue to buy them every week, only to be disappointed.

[Cassandra]

Yeah, I agree with you, that issue of Gotham Knights was extremely intense. I was upset after I finished reading it. Not about any one thing in particular, just kind of riled up.

Have you been buying Batman lately? A little while back there was a couple of really creepy issues that had him thinking he was actually Matches Malone, and he almost cracked up and shot the ventriliquest? It was a good couple of issues, but kind of alarming- it would be cool if they strung all of this together and it came to a head in this new Bruce Wayne- Murderer storyline.

[ZorBrak]

naw, I'd prolly quit, I am not interested in rooting for an evil nut case or anything like that, if he killed bad guys well, I wouldn't have much of a problem. I mean stupid Arkham doesn't seem to be very good at rehabliltating or keeping nuts like the Joker locked up. So I think it'd be interesitng if Bats killed the Joker or someone, but innocents, no way, I'd throw down the book and never read bats again, I mean I was so mad in DBZ, when Vegeta, for example, killed those innocent people in the Buu saga, but at least he sorta repented and changed and all all in the end, plus in DBZ people can be ressurected, so I forgave him, for a while there I temporarily hated my second favorite character :rolleyes: but as for Bats, I think he is fine how he is, we don't need another "lethal protecter" when we got Venom :p

[James Harvey]

While I wouldn't really like the thought of Batman as a killer - I wouldn't be suprised if this happens. He's under considerable pressure and with his unpredictable attitudes, I'm not surprised if he did, or would, ice someone.

[ZorBrak]

but he is all about keeping killings from happening I highly doubt, and in fact I'm almost absolutly positive this will never happen Bruce won't throw away what he stands for, the only person I could ever imagine him killing is the Joker, and he'd have to be pushed wayyyyyyyy over the edge, like as much or more than he was in ROTJ

[kid_flash]

Why would I quit the Bat-books? Batman's awesome, I'm not gonna quit 'cause he does something bad. As long as he doesn't start going on a killing spree, one murder could strengthen the character. I wouldn't be surprised if either Bruce Wayne or Batman was responsible. In fact, that's who I'm placing my bet on. For the record, you heard it from me first.

[Cassandra]

It's possible, it certainly is possible.....yeah. I think he could do it if he was pushed enough. He certainly has been showing signs of stress. Maybe he will, someday.

But I don't think this is the day. Nope, I'm going to have to stack my money against you, kid flash. I don't think he's at that point yet. I think he'll come through.That's my story and I'm stickin to it.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
...Bruce Wayne turned out to be the murderer. I know there is a small chance of that happening - heck I don't think it will, but what if DC made the same mistake they did with their other heroes like Hal Jordan and turned Bats to a psychotic murderer?

I'm not sure if I would step down - but would you? Comments?

I'd still follow them...but OH MY GOD! THAT WOULD SUCK!! :eek:

[Heehaw]

Well, since Bruce isn't a real person and doesn't make conscious decisions, I'd have to say I'd stick with it. Now, if he were real, I don't know, I'd have to think about the morality issues that would ramsack my psyche...but, hey, if that's where the writer's whims take me, then so be it...

[FLIPMODE]

Good Question. I like this Topic.

I would'nt stop reading.

Could I see him killing? A Big Fat Yes. Would it make him better? No. But I could definitly see him disposing of Major Villains, in the death toll league of the joker, or physically unstoppable beings. What happens if all of Supeman's Villains Move to Gotham, and Vice Versa, Batman would have to go hardcore.

Innocents? No way, he'd never. Common thugs, again no way, and yes I'd stop reading that fluff.

This whole possibilty of him being a murderer does stir things up. And what of the Possible story arcs ahead, like Lady Shiva. She's obsessed with the fact that Batman does'nt kill. What if by the time Cassandra has to fight her, Batman the murderer shows up?

And yes, that Gotham Knights issue was...well it left me feeling weird about good ol' Bruce. I hope he keeps it together mentally. I think what his problem is,..HE's Not meditating anymore. He needs to center himself. I WISH the books, (especially these days) would slow down a little. Show an issue where the Bat people, especially Bruce, are just training, eating, regrouping, have a Meeting or something. Do a Roll call, Discuss, goals for the upcoming year, normal things he might do on a just one day off like meditate. All these story arcs one after the other, and all these major events with no break, will make us crazy, not just Bruce.

But I loved the last Gotham Knights issue, I think It's going to be one of those issues to HOLD on to for the future. And the 10 cent Batman was a Treat. But I feel from these 2 issues I have an Idea of what's going on.

I did find the idea that -Bruce Wayne-the Memeber- wrote in his reply. What If Bruce Killed his Parents, and all these years, he's taught himself that a thug did it. Yet the thug was merely his imagination. It would make a good elseworld story. Bruce would truly be a self made Hero.

Hey, how does one add a spoiler proof, message? I tried that PHP, and all it does is send my letters out in different colors.

[austin norsworthy]

I wouldn't stop reading. you know for some of his villans there is no other chioce. if the worst ones weren't insane they would get the chair.

in fact i'm going to post a thred about ideas for a viglante descrping how i feel. coming soon.

[The Guard]

Don't take my idea!

:)

[austin norsworthy]

You thoght of it first? :confused:

[austin norsworthy]

it would not be surpasing if he did. he HAS killed and I don't think the crsis alterd that.

he lost his parents, he lost jason {which you Think he'd be happy about that :D. to be honest i don't know how big a jerk he was} he lost batwoman, julie madison and apparently linda page dumped him because of his playboy lifestyle, {I bet THAT hurt :( } sliver cloud dumped him because he was batman, he lost vesper, vicky and shondra. and it probaly wouldn't work out with talia because her fathe is the demon, catwoman, because she is a thief, and poison ivy because she's a villan and well, poison. he sufferd a lot in his life and if it wasn't for thompkins, it wouldn't make ANY sense. several times he wanted to kill the joker {who wouldn't?} and in no man's land he didn't want leslie using the blood on zsasz which made sense, and considered killing two-face, and he almost killed ventriloquist and although he didn't he burned scarface, {why didn't they do that when he was first commited to arkham :mad: oh yeah i rember now becuase he they wouldn't have him for other storys! I honestly didn't like him and i'm glad scarface is dead.} it's not gonna be long before he snaps. on the other hand, like bane said his mind is VERY strong.

[The Guard]

It would not be surpasing if he did. he HAS killed and I don't think the crisis alterd that.

Batman has never killed, save for his EARLY Bob Kane incarnation. And he has NEVER hurt innocents. NEVER.

he lost his parents, he lost jason {which you Think he'd be happy about that . to be honest i don't know how big a jerk he was} he lost batwoman, julie madison and apparently linda page dumped him because of his playboy lifestyle, {I bet THAT hurt } sliver cloud dumped him because he was batman, he lost vesper, vicky and shondra. and it probaly wouldn't work out with talia because her fathe is the demon, catwoman, because she is a thief, and poison ivy because she's a villan and well, poison. he sufferd a lot in his life and if it wasn't for thompkins, it wouldn't make ANY sense. several times he wanted to kill the joker {who wouldn't?} and in no man's land he didn't want leslie using the blood on zsasz which made sense, and considered killing two-face, and he almost killed ventriloquist and although he didn't he burned scarface, {why didn't they do that when he was first commited to arkham oh yeah i rember now becuase he they wouldn't have him for other storys! I honestly didn't like him and i'm glad scarface is dead.} it's not gonna be long before he snaps. on the other hand, like bane said his mind is VERY strong.[/B]

He walks the edge. But the day Batman takes an innocent life, he loses everything his character stands for. His ideals and resolve are what make him a great character.

[austin norsworthy]

after the crisis, the monk's hood is still in the batcave.

[cysurf]

Sometimes I wonder why Batman doesn't let the Joker die. By letting him live, he allows him to kill more people.

[austin norsworthy]

Well, than he would became responsble for the jokers death. and the joker keeps cheating death.
How the heck did he surviev the end of "death in the family?!}

[FLIPMODE]

Yeah the Monks hood was still there.

And he's killed animals.

Certain deaths caused by him, just dont bother me. Once someone was going to kill Black Mask, Batman watched and almost reacted too late a throwing a Batarang at the killer. All Im Saying is, If somehow he threw too late and BlackMask died, I would'nt feel sorry. And I would hope for Bruce's Sake, that he wold'nt be Sorry, just as long as he knew, he did everything he could.

Hey, I find it pretty crazy myself. In certain points in his life, Bruce has been perfectly Trained to KILL, especially by Cain. And by Ducard, and by other forms of Lethal Combat, trained to him by Masters. All of those different Teachers, hardly any of them taught him how to save lives. Except for perhaps a Life gaurd instructor. Or who ever taught him cpr.

[austin norsworthy]

When did he kill Animals?

[The Guard]

Austin...

He killed a leopard when he encountered Ra's Al Ghul, and has killed attack dogs and such before. During "The Joker's Five Way Revenge", he killed a shark.

How did the Joker survive? He ALWAYS survives, Austin. Every time he "dies", he turns up alive and well.

"If you don't find a body, they aren't dead."

Which is why at the end of A Death in The Family Batman was screaming "Find his body!"

But The Joker's survived plunges into water that should kill anyone, explosions, a ton of stuff...

[austin norsworthy]

makes ya wonder if he fell out of a bulding and a bunch of cats rejuvenated him and he gained 8 more lives. :p ;)