Harley Quinn....bisexual? (Warning: Adult Content)

[Barb Gordon]

Yes I know, pretty odd subject title there now isn't it? Recently while perusing one of my fav Harley sites I went looking through the quirky facts area of it. And lo and behold, one of the facts claims that Harley Quinn as indeed a bisexual. No wonders she pairs up with 'ol Ivy so much ;)
Anyone know of this fact to have any basis? Since I've only seen this once, I'm in doubt.

Barb^-^

[Bobby Boy 101]

LOL, I posted a topic entitled "Harley and Ivy. . .more than friends?" on the D C Boards almost a year ago, and I got mixed opinions: Some thought I was jumping to conclusions, and others thought I was right on the money.

With Ivy having this whole I-have-the-power thing against men, and then the whole sexes thing being brought up, there was even the thought that in fact Ivy may be a lesbian, and was encouraging ol' Harl to be more like her.

But then again, Ivy could just be into that whole corset-power thing.

I think Harley is at the most purely bi-curious, and Ivy may in fact be a lesbian---but this is easily proven wrong.

Im gonna go watch the South Park movie, Ill be back tomorrow

[MattL.]

I own a t-shirt with a Bruce Timm pic of Harley and Ivy cuddling suggestively.

It's cuuuute! ^^

[NewMaxFranklin]

MAN! This page just couldn't load fast enough!:p

It wouldn't surprise me. And it would explain why Harley hates The Joker so much. I think it's more likely that that Ivy is gay and Harley is just highly suggestible. Harley is very unstable and rather reactive. She latches on to stronger people like Joker and Ivy and devotes herself.

[Karkull]

I'm pretty sure that Harley Quinn is, at the very least, bicurious...but while she may like Ivy she's still obsessed with the Joker. She really digs the pale criminal-type, ;).

As for Poison Ivy...well, she doesn't seem as interested in men as her comics counterpart is. I'd say that it's a fairly safe assumption that Ivy's gay. It also explains why she hates the Joker so much (he treats her bad and, besides, he can't love her the same way that she can!).

[Poison Carley]

Poison Ivy isn't a lesbian. Get over it. Its just a fanboys dream. If Poison Ivy was a lesbian she would have better taste than Harley Quinn. Read any Bat book and you'll see Ivy like guys. I doubt either character is gay.

[The Guard]

Poison Ivy and Harley are VERY close in the Animated Series. I get the feeling that Timm hints at it. The comics as of late have drawn on the character from the series. There was an arc in Harley Quinn awhile back where they...teamed up. Could be just girlfriends...but go to Bruce Timm's site and search "Harley and Ivy"...see what pops up.

[Poison Carley]

What Bruce Timm and Paul Dini hint at doesn't matter. I don't think Bob Kane created Poison Ivy to be a lesbian. Soooo their opinions really don't matter. Lets look at Paul Dini. The guy brought Harley back as an old far because it broke his heart for her to die in Batman Beyond. Sooo you know what they think really doesn't matter. If you read this Harley comic you love so much and pick up on what Ivy says, she likes men. Look at the reference to Superman. This is just silly. I didn't expect to see crap topics like this here on this board. Thats why I started posting here.

[The Guard]

First...I DON'T read Harley Quinn...I didn't like the first issue, so I didn't get it anymore.

Second, in the Animated DCU, it DOES matter. It matters a great deal. Because the Animated DCU is Dini and Timm's take on the DCU, and there...their word is law.

I don't think Ivy and Harley are bi...but I DO think they're very close...and on more than one occasion...it's been hinted at...

[Poison Carley]

You do realize these two are cartoon characters and really don't have sexual preferences right? Their take on the DCU? Just two perverts preying on boys. They add a hint of lesbian to sell the product when the product doesn't need it. Hmm now Justice League on the other hand...

[Maxie Zeus]

I think Ivy just hates people. The fact that she pays more attention to plants than to men says a lot less about her sexuality than about her hostility to bipeds.

And if Ivy isn't standing on the other side of the swinging door, there's not much reason to think Harley is too. Harley is the sort who likes being abused and exploited (I mean, just look at her relationship with Mr. J), and she can get that same kind of abuse from the misanthropic plant lady too.

Yes, Ivy and Harley are obviously twisted up psychologically. But I don't see that fact implying anything about their sexuality.

[Karkull]

Very valid point, Maxie Zeus, but she does seem to tolerate Harley Quinn a lot more than anyone else.

[Poison Carley]

Ivy feels sorry for Harley and she takes care of her because she pitty's her.

[Calhoun07]

Well, you would be sexually confused too if your idea of the ideal man was the Joker.

[Dark Knight]

It's pretty darn clear that Harley is really only attracted to the Joker and every other romantic interest she's had (a couple different guys in the comics and I think she had a thing for Batman in the Animated series if you watch "Harlequinade") has been a guy. She and Ivy are just really close and they're both really touchy feely people, Harley because she's child-like and perky and Ivy because she's just highly sexual. Yeah Harley is the only person Ivy really tolerates, but as said before its because she feels sorry for her. Their whole relationship (in both the comics and the cartoon) began with Ivy trying to help Harley break free of the Joker's influence and thwart not only him but also Batman. Ivy hates the Joker, that's reason enough for her to want Harley, who's really grown on her, away from him. If Ivy didn't like men a lot I think she'd strangle them with vines rather than pleasuring them with her poison body.
I see where everybody's coming from, but all in all im gunna have to disagree. I think Harley and Ivy are both straight, if not a bit psychotic which makes their behavior perhaps a bit irregular (not that theres anything wrong with that)

[kid_flash]

Okay...this just popped into my head and I'm not sure how accurate it is, but...in "Holiday Knights"....there was only one bed in the room Harley and Ivy were staying in...take that as you will.

[James Harvey]

First off, calm down some of you. Some of you are taking this topic way to seriously -- and shouldn't. There's nothing wrong with this topic - it's an interesting topic for discussion, that's all. Youknow who you are so please show some respect for others. No need to get ultra defense over something as small as this. This is just the opinion and thoughts of someone so no need to fly off the handle.

As for the topic themselves...well...I don't think they are. Some girls are overly flirty with each other and I think this is just one of those things. They're really good friends...that's all.

[SoulQuarian84]

yeh, it's kinda obvious why ur pissed off Poison Carley, cos ur a big fan of the character (just from the name and the avatar). but i tend to agree, it is highly suggested (in the animated series anyway) that these two might have a thing for each other. personally, it woulda been interesting to see this topic actually be explored in the series, THEN u would've seen an overtly mature 'kiddy' toon show. i think everyone's already listed the reasons why they would/should be bi.

V.

[Cyclops]

I don't think they're gay, just close friends. I mean sometimes girls are just like that when they're best friends. Even in real life. Trust me I've seen it.

[Bud 'n Lou]

I think they've played around with the idea of a possible lesbian relationship between Harley and Ivy as much as they could get away with in the animated realm. For instance, in the comic book Batgirl Adventures #1, there's an interesting exchange between Harley and Batgirl...


Batgirl: Why you care about that walking waste dump is beyond me! You'd be safer around a spitting cobra!

Harley: ( with a dreamy expression on her face ) Oh, Ivy can't hurt me. She gave me a special shot once so we can play and I won't get sick at all.

B: You mean you two...?

H: What?

B: You and Ivy are...well...friends...

H: Yeah...?

B: Y'know...friends...like...

H: Like what everybody says about you and Supergirl?

B: What?! Who says...? Forget it! Forget it!


As others have already said, I think this suggests an experimental bi-curious relationship between the girls. I do believe that they both still like men though. I'm only really familiar with the animated universe, so that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I have no idea what goes on in the mainstream comics.
I find it a little silly how defensive some people have gotten in this thread, acting as if the concept of a character they like being gay is an insult. One person even vehemently declared that the characters aren't gay and were in fact straight, but then later, to protect the characters' heterosexuality, said that they couldn't possibly be gay because they're only fictional characters, and don't have a sexual preference.
I mean no offense to anyone, but please relax...

[The Game]

This is a strange topic and one worth dreaming about, but if you ask me...

They're both straight.

I think it's always fun to hint that they may be something more, mainly to make people like me drool.

If they were together in that way, I would say that Ivy is bi and Harley is bi-curious. Look at all the relationships Harley has. She's the "woman" of both relationships, I mean she's the "submissive" if you want to go there. Joker and Ivy both dominate over her in a sense, and she basically follows both of their orders.

Ivy is really probably more attracted to plants then to men or women, but she strikes me as a character who would expirement with the right person. Like Harley, who would be willing to oblige to some feelings she might have had...

[Karkull]

Harley may be bi-curious, but I think that we can all agree that she's kind of a tramp. She's flirted with Batman and has had relationships with the Joker and [maybe!] Poison Ivy. And, to top it off, she slept with her psychology professor in the Mad Love comic book (who may or may not have been Professor Crane/Scarecrow).

[Bobby Boy 101]

lol, I dont think that was scarecrow, dude

LOL, I love topics like these.

BUT when u all say that "they are JUST comic-book characters and they dont have a sexual preference", thats crap!

That means that Batman wouldnt care if he was doing stuff w/ Catwoman or Mad Hatter!
Every comic character has a sexual preference, just like they have a shirt size and a body weight.

Obviously, the majority or comic characters today are straight, b/c in todays world having homosexual or lesbianic (?) feelings is "bad", or at least thats they are frowned upon, especially by most religious ppl.

I hope I am not out of line with what I just said :rolleyes: I was trying to be delicate

[DR. BELCH]

--Harley looks to Ivy not as a friend or even lover, but rather as a mother-figure. What would the psychology books call it, I wonder? Quasi-reverse-Electra-transference? ;)

[Kylewayne]

Poison Ivy and Harley are like two very close gals who perhaps explored their sexuality. But one thing is for sure is that Poison Ivy cares for Harley in a motherly sisterly kinda way. I see nothing wrong with the two of them and I do not understand why some newbies are so freaked to see their favorite character "NOT" be perfect in their eyes. New flash peeps"No one is perfect in reality! welcome to the real world!"
I think I deviated a little from the topic, but anywho that is how i feel.

[Calhoun07]

Even if the creators wanted Harl and Ivy to be lesbians, it isn't going to happen, not even in a DTV. But I think Smigel could use this idea, and make two characters like Harl and Ivy for his Ambiguously Gay Duo cartoons.

[DR. BELCH]

--Harley Quinn as a spoiled, overgrown infant, and I'd like to see her relationship with her parents. That could explain a lot; note that many upper-class girls/sexually loose women/adult film stars were or felt abused/ignored by their parents and that's what made them that way, and they seem to be continuously searching for a surrogate father by sleeping with numerous men, or getting in bad relationships. Hence Harley and Joker--I'm sure he's old enough to be her daddy, and I'd bet Ivy is at least ten years her senior.
It'd make an interesting comic book story if Harley schemed to get Mommy Ivy and Daddy Joker to marry, thus building her "perfect family" with her in a "darling daughter" role...using Ivy's plant toxins to whip up an aphrodesiac. Now how to overcome Ivy's immunity, I wonder? I'm sure it'd beat (judging from what I've read here of it; haven't read any myself) anything Peterson has in the works....

[Barb Gordon]

Oi! I don't post for like a night, at look where this thing goes! I never meant to ruffle any feathers, sorry if I did Poison Carley, and I didn't really consider this a "crap topic". It was a simple question. Anyhoo, I've never really seen anything to suggest that she might be bisexual or a lesbian, and I haven't a clue concerning Ivy. But that's just my opinion, and everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Barb^-^

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Bobby Boy 1
BUT when u all say that "they are JUST comic-book characters and they dont have a sexual preference", thats crap!

That means that Batman wouldnt care if he was doing stuff w/ Catwoman or Mad Hatter!
Every comic character has a sexual preference, just like they have a shirt size and a body weight.

Just for the record:

The metaphysics of fiction is not nearly as cut and dried as you present it. Was Hamlet left-handed or right-handed? Does Scrooge have an innie or an outie bellybutton? Is the Sherlock Holmes' ring finger longer or shorter than his index finger? Maybe there is a definite answer to these questions when asked about someone like Julius Caesar or Mark Antony, a real person who once lived and died. But must there be a definite answer to them when the person is fictional, and the author hasn't answered them?

In fact, the usual answer given in academic circles is that such questions have no answer, that fictional characters (unlike real people) are "incomplete" because where the properties are unspecified, there is no property. So, this position implies, if the question of Batman's, or Harley's, or the Joker's sexuality has not been established there is no "fact of the matter" as to what their sexuality is.

I don't say this because I endorse this position. I only mean to point out that it is a legitimate theoretical position.

[optimal321]

Hmmmmmmmmm... I'm thinking no, but most of that is because i don't even understand how two people in real life, straight or not, would go about deciding to experiment sexually w/ an established friend. I guess, i just don't understand the mind-set a person would be in, so i can't imagine what would be going through their heads to analyze it.

But that's not saying they couldn't have done anything. I think it's certain that they both like men, and they possibly could like it the other way too. I also have seen to close girl friends act really touchy around each other.

So, really... i don't know. I don't think this can really be proven either way. Fun topic :p

[Karkull]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus
In fact, the usual answer given in academic circles is that such questions have no answer, that fictional characters (unlike real people) are "incomplete" because where the properties are unspecified, there is no property. So, this position implies, if the question of Batman's, or Harley's, or the Joker's sexuality has not been established there is no "fact of the matter" as to what their sexuality is.

Funny you should mention the Joker, Maxie Zeus. Actually, some of the edgier Joker stories of the past twenty years (The Dark Knight Returns, Arkham Asylum) have toyed with the notion that the Joker himself has some kind of psychotic passion for Batman.

Overall, I guess that it depends on the writer. If Timm and Dini wanted to play up some kind of flirtatious tension between Harley and Ivy, that's their perogative. If Grant Morrison wants to dress the Joker up in high heels and have him grab Batman's ass, that's his perogative. If Joel Schumacher wants to put nipples on the Batsuits and make the Riddler dress up like a queen, well...he's a big jerk. But you get my meaning, :D.

[Brian Cruz]

Bud 'n Lou mentioned this comic, so I thought I'd scan it in for all to see. This is page 19 of Batgirl Adventures #1 by Paul Dini and Rick Burhcett. Click on it for the big version:

<a href="http://www.toonzone.net/comics/bga/pages/batgirladvs-page19.jpg" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://www.toonzone.net/comics/bga/pages/bigt-batgirladvs-page19.jpg" alt="Click For Larger Image" width="150" height="229"></a>

[Karkull]

[Snicker]... ;). If that's not a classic moment from animated Batman lore I don't know what is.

[Failure]

Originally posted by Brian Cruz
Bud 'n Lou mentioned this comic, so I thought I'd scan it in for all to see. This is page 19 of Batgirl Adventures #1 by Paul Dini and Rick Burhcett. Click on it for the big version:


LOL! That is hilarious!

[Barb Gordon]

lol, I love that! the expression on Batgirl's face is priceless.

Barb^-^

[Bobby Boy 101]

ahhh...one of my favorite books--3 out of my five favorite girls, and Kara was even mentioned!

too bad no Selina tho :(

sry, this is off-topic..lemme see here....ok I got it:

Whoever said that Ivy might even be slightly attracted to plants is a very interesting idea, and could therefore disprove the theory of her having feelings for ol' Harl, mainly b/c most ppl infatuated w/ plants in that way would most likely not be attracted to living thins.

Kinda how I am not attracted to my step-stool, and still wouldnt be whether I liked men or women.

[peterparker05]

Personally, I think Ivy is more with plants than humans to begin with, but for the record, i dont think that her and Harley are bisexuals or lesbians. Furthermore, i believe this is a crap topic. It's about as good as "Does Robin have an innie or an outie?"

[Calhoun07]

Batgirl and Supergirl???? OH YEAH! http://www.freakygamers.com/smilies/s2/ups/the_turtle/supasmsm1.gif

[Beyond Batman]

Peterparker05, LoL, if you think this is such a crap topic, why are you reading and posting on this thread? Calhoun07, Batgirl and Supergirl... awesome idea! Brian Cruz, that is the most suggestive layout of lesbianism, if I've ever seen one. Funny how they don't say it, but you get a very good idea of what's going on. I need to pick up that issue. Is it hard to find? From what I remember, I think it was.

[Bud 'n Lou]

Originally posted by peterparker05
Personally, I think Ivy is more with plants than humans to begin with, but for the record, i dont think that her and Harley are bisexuals or lesbians. Furthermore, i believe this is a crap topic. It's about as good as "Does Robin have an innie or an outie?"

Why is it a crap topic? It asks a question about Harley's character, which I find is interesting. Based on observations people have seen from the show and comics, there seems to be a subtle allusion to some kind of a relationship between Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy. Also, I remember reading somewhere that the "Harley & Ivy" mini-series was supposed to deal with their relationship too. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
As for Robin's belly button...I say innie.

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by Beyond Batman
Peterparker05, LoL, if you think this is such a crap topic, why are you reading and posting on this thread? Calhoun07, Batgirl and Supergirl... awesome idea! Brian Cruz, that is the most suggestive layout of lesbianism, if I've ever seen one. Funny how they don't say it, but you get a very good idea of what's going on. I need to pick up that issue. Is it hard to find? From what I remember, I think it was.

Mile High comics has a mint copy listed at $15.00, but they are out of stock. :(

[Poison Carley]

You know I really agree with Peter Parker... This topic is CRAP!

[Poison Carley]

And I'll tell you why its crap. I've already stated why its crap but let me do again. They are cartoons, not real, why are you so worried about their sex life? Poison Ivy isn't a lesbian. The animated Harley Quinn only wants one thing and thats Joker. So do some more research on her character. She lives for one thing and its not whats between Ivy's leg. This topic isn't crap to horny teenage boys who get some sick pleasure out of cartoons having sex. I can't beleive a female would post this thread. *Shakes head* Crap!

[Nightflower]

Hey now. Nobody calls your posts crap, and you should at least extend courtesy to do the same thing.

[peterparker05]

Im sorry if i offended anyone by saying this topic was crap. Its just not my kind of thread i guess. But just for fun, I am going to make a new thread, "Does Robin have an innie or an outie?"

[Maxie Zeus]

Alright, we've already put up one warning about people over-reacting to this topic. We won't put up another, we'll just close it.

[Bobby Boy 101]

hear that ppl?

calm down or this topic will close.


also, about the H & I mini, this is not the Love on the Lam mini we're talkin about, is it?

To my knowledge the one from TNBA still hasnt been released, and we've only been waiting about 8 years now :rolleyes:

[Bud 'n Lou]

Yeah, I'm talking about the animated-style mini-series from Dini and Timm. I hear it's gonna be release next millennium.

[Barb Gordon]

Okay, so this topic definetly needs to stop continuing. I apologize again for any problems this has caused. Poison Carley, this may bug you, but chill down, okay? And is there such a big problem with me being female and posting this? Am I suppose to be a bad person because I did? Because that's how you're making it sound. If you look at my original post I only started this thread because I had seen it on a site. I found it odd, and wanted to see what people thought about it. That was it. I didn't intend for this to get so out of hand. And no, the topic isn't crap, and you haven't given any valuable reasons for it, just your own opinion. And everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and you need to respect that. You don't think she's a lesbian, good for you, neither do I. Other people may think differently. And that's fine too. But that shouldn't mean that because they post something different to your view that it's suddenly crap.

Barb^-^

[Bird Boy]

Originally posted by Barb Gordon
Okay, so this topic definetly needs to stop continuing. I apologize again for any problems this has caused. Poison Carley, this may bug you, but chill down, okay? And is there such a big problem with me being female and posting this? Am I suppose to be a bad person because I did? Because that's how you're making it sound. If you look at my original post I only started this thread because I had seen it on a site. I found it odd, and wanted to see what people thought about it. That was it. I didn't intend for this to get so out of hand. And no, the topic isn't crap, and you haven't given any valuable reasons for it, just your own opinion. And everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and you need to respect that. You don't think she's a lesbian, good for you, neither do I. Other people may think differently. And that's fine too. But that shouldn't mean that because they post something different to your view that it's suddenly crap.

Barb^-^

Unless sombody over-reacts again, I see no reason to close this thread. It's a nice discussion..but turned out to get rather nasty around the last part of pg 1 and page 2.

This topic went from "what do you think?" to "I don't care what anybody thinks, they are NOT!". Simmer down people...it's not life or death..it's supposed to be a fun topic, that you might or might not want to post in. If you don't like the topic, I recommend not posting in it with rude remarks and semi-ruining it for everyone that IS interested.

Anywho, that's all I gotta say...

Oh yeah, and to keep this post sorta on-topic.. I'm neutral...one tip in either "direction" and Harley could be there..

-BB

[Calhoun07]

I dunno if this is off color or not, but it is suggestive, so for the sake of good taste, I spoilered it! It's certainly rated TV-14

Harley may not be eating tacos from Taco Bell, but I think she thinks of it when she sees the Taco Bell from across the street where she is having her hot dogs.

[Bobby Boy 101]

LOL< like Anne Heche!

did u get that from SNL man?


o ya, and I do agree wit u on that, ol' Harl likely adapts to whatever sitch she's in at the moment :confused:

[Karkull]

Huh?

I remember hearing about the Harley and Ivy mini-series a long time ago. Will it ever be released, or did Dini and Timm's feud put the kabosh on it?

[DerekPowers]

I'd say ivy isn't gay. she seemed pretty use to seducing men in "pretty poison" and i'm sure she and harvey did, well, things, before he proposed to her. this is twoface we're talking about...

anyway, maybe its possible enjoys experimenting with other girls, but i dont think shes a lesbian.

as for harley, i'd say shes pretty devoted to joker.

ofcourse, anythings possible...

[The Game]

And I'll tell you why its crap. I've already stated why its crap but let me do again. They are cartoons, not real, why are you so worried about their sex life? Poison Ivy isn't a lesbian. The animated Harley Quinn only wants one thing and thats Joker. So do some more research on her character. She lives for one thing and its not whats between Ivy's leg. This topic isn't crap to horny teenage boys who get some sick pleasure out of cartoons having sex. I can't beleive a female would post this thread. *Shakes head* Crap!

First of all, you're taking this just a tad to seriously.

And second of all, there is nothing wrong with "horny teenage boys who get some sick pleasure out of carioons having sex".

Why? I am one :D !

[Karkull]

Originally posted by thegame8866
And second of all, there is nothing wrong with "horny teenage boys who get some sick pleasure out of carioons having sex".


Shoot, half the internet would shut down without it, :D.

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by DerekPowers
I'd say ivy isn't gay. she seemed pretty use to seducing men in "pretty poison" and i'm sure she and harvey did, well, things, before he proposed to her. this is twoface we're talking about...

anyway, maybe its possible enjoys experimenting with other girls, but i dont think shes a lesbian.

as for harley, i'd say shes pretty devoted to joker.

ofcourse, anythings possible...

well, I say look at the drawings Timm did of Harl and Ivy on his picture gallery (http://www.popcultureshock.com/bt/) and tell me if he isn't thinking of what's possible, also!

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Karkull
I remember hearing about the Harley and Ivy mini-series a long time ago. Will it ever be released, or did Dini and Timm's feud put the kabosh on it?

I don't think that's the problem. I believe they're just having a problem coordinating schedules and commitments so that the various other artists that are working on it can do what they need to do. But I really don't know.

[Terminatah]

Girls don't necessarily have to be lesbians or even bisexual to enjoy casual relations with another female. So I don't understand why some of you can't accept the fact that it's very likely Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy have had hot sex several times.

And Batgirl may have suggested otherwise in that comic book, but I'm sure her and Black Canary probably ended up having lots of sex as well.

Oh, and I see people trying to discredit Timm and Dini's role in the development of these characters. Don't do that!

-Terminatah

[G. Wen]

I don't think Harley and Ivy are homosexual because they have not demonstrated any behavior that is a clear indication of lesbianism. They just hang out and hug a lot, but that doesn't point to homosexuality.

[Nightflower]

Originally posted by Terminatah
Girls don't necessarily have to be lesbians or even bisexual to enjoy casual relations with another female. So I don't understand why some of you can't accept the fact that it's very likely Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy have had hot sex several times.

And Batgirl may have suggested otherwise in that comic book, but I'm sure her and Black Canary probably ended up having lots of sex as well.

Oh, and I see people trying to discredit Timm and Dini's role in the development of these characters. Don't do that!

-Terminatah

I would just like to say as a disclaimer before certain people think otherwise that these thoughts certainly do not reflect those of the rest of the board. :D

[Karkull]

Originally posted by Terminatah
Girls don't necessarily have to be lesbians or even bisexual to enjoy casual relations with another female. So I don't understand why some of you can't accept the fact that it's very likely Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy have had hot sex several times.


Dear Penthouse:

Oy, I'm so nervous! If my boyfriend ever finds out that I wrote to you, he'd kill me (he would too!). Don't get me wrong, he's sweet and all, but he's a little unhinged.

I'm currently an inmate at the Arkham Asylum for the Criminally Insane outside of Gotham City...


:D

[kid_flash]

I'll say it again: There was only one bed in Harley and Ivy's apartment in "Holiday Knights," which coincidentally was written by Paul Dini.

[Bobby Boy 101]

OK, Batgirl is SO not gay man

and whats with this hot sex thing? Experimanting does not equal hot sex dude!



and black canary doesnt even exist in the animated continuity yet, does she? I know she was supposed to do a team up w/ Selina, but it never happened :(

[JChampion]

I think it's just a fantasy ....unless Kevin Smith decides to start writing a Batman-based story arc.....then I believe anything is possible.

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by JChampion
I think it's just a fantasy ....unless Kevin Smith decides to start writing a Batman-based story arc.....then I believe anything is possible.

Chasing Barbara! I like the sound of that.... You have Barbara, who's secretly in love with Kara, but Bruce is bustin a move on Barbara, but then there's Dick, who everybody is confused about who he might like!

[Nightflower]

Originally posted by Bobby Boy 1
OK, Batgirl is SO not gay man

and whats with this hot sex thing? Experimanting does not equal hot sex dude!



and black canary doesnt even exist in the animated continuity yet, does she? I know she was supposed to do a team up w/ Selina, but it never happened :(

Relax; Terminatah's either just trolling or wishfully thinking. :p

[Terminatah]

Originally posted by Nightflower


Relax; Terminatah's either just trolling or wishfully thinking. :p

Oh hey, sharing unconventional but valid opinions is called trolling now? Talk about wishful thinking.

-Terminatah

[Bobby Boy 101]

lol

[Batman 80]

This is a very interesting topic. I've seen girls in real life who are close friends get touchy feely, but they weren't gay or bi. They also both had boyfriends.

[G. Wen]

Originally posted by Terminatah
Girls don't necessarily have to be lesbians or even bisexual to enjoy casual relations with another female. So I don't understand why some of you can't accept the fact that it's very likely Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy have had hot sex several times.

And Batgirl may have suggested otherwise in that comic book, but I'm sure her and Black Canary probably ended up having lots of sex as well.

Oh, and I see people trying to discredit Timm and Dini's role in the development of these characters. Don't do that!

-Terminatah


I always felt that Ivy was too aloof and proud to just casually share herself w/ anyone. When she does use her sensuality, she usually uses it to bring down people, to show them how weak they are w/ their animal instincts.

[Alexander]

Babs and Kara are friends, and if you haven't noticed she's in love with Dick Grayson, She had a wet dream about Batman, she flirted with Gill Mason, and Jim Gordon says to Dick that he is on top of her list. She looks at Dick's butt in 'You scratch my back" She implies she would like to get married to him. In BB she's married to a guy, she's having a romance with Bruce in the future. And she wears a push-up bra with extra fillings in the party in sub-Zero, and she did that because she knew Dick would be there.

And Kara/Supergirl flirts with Jimmy Olsen, who is a guy.

And the fact that Dick always asks if Barbara is jealous, and teases her, implies that they still have a sexual relation.


As for Poison Ivy, i don't know. She's not lesbian, she's just super-sexual. Wich i personaly don't really like, but it brings up funny situations.


I don't really think Harley really is gay or Bi, she does however "know how to make some smiles" with the Joker. And she kissed Batman in an older episode.
:rolleyes:

[Beyond Batman]

"First of all i'd like to say that those guys who think Lesbian sex is hot to look at and drool when two female porn stars are touching eachother are stupid pathatic loosers." -Sassy

Everyone has their preference when it comes to whatever floats their boats. I certainly don't call them "stupid pathetic losers" like you so blatently did. So tell me... with such strong intelligent accusations you've made about these people being "losers" why? What makes them stupid or pathetic? Please clear that up for us.

[Alexander]

Everyone has their preference when it comes to whatever floats their boats. I certainly don't call them "stupid pathetic losers" like you so blatently did. So tell me... with such strong intelligent accusations you've made about these people being "losers" why? What makes them stupid or pathetic? Please clear that up for us. [/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah, i'm sorry, i can be really rude sometimes without really meaning it that way. i'm sorry.
I just don't like guys who say they hate gay men, but drool when two lesbians get off.
I just really hate sex as soon as it becomes a comercial product. You know?
I meen no matter where you go, everywhere there are adds about "Hot Lesbians" or "hot Asians" everywhere.
I meen, it seems like sweet sex is dissapearing in our sociaty. being replaced by commercial sex. And it just really bugs me.
And i guess that's basicly what i like so much about Barbara Gordon in TNBA. She's so natural in all ways. She's so realistic that there are days i'm just depressed because i know that she isn't real. She's so funny and smart, wouln't you just die to be able to talk with her, or have long walks trough the park with her, or hold her in your arms. I know i do. Babs is my dream girl... Boy, i wonder what Bruce Timm and Paul Dini think when they read this...

[Calhoun07]

Please don't clarify it for us. Let's not start anything bad over this. Just please refrain from calling ANY posters stupid. You just lumped quite a few people in there, and that's disrespectful towards other memebers, which is enough to break the rules. Let's not compound the problem by focusing on it.

[Alexander]

Hehe, fast enough?

[Calhoun07]

All I am going to say is read the rules. If you haven't done so yet, they can be found at the top of any page on this site.

[Beyond Batman]

Sassy, what do you think of Babs as Oracle?

[Alexander]

I don't really read the mainstream comics anymore, so i don't really know much about Oracle these days. I stopped reading Nightwing about 2 years ago, but back then i thought Oracle was pretty cool. Though she's not the same as the animated Babs, she has some of the same character behaviours as my Babs. I do remember there was a really cute scene where she was shaving Dick and they ended up in eachothers arms kissing really heavy. That's something i wish they would've done in TNBA, because it's very realistic scene. Everyone has had such a moment.

It could've happend after the end of "You scratch my back" If you look closely at the last moment you see Babs getting out of the Batboat ready to help Dick out of the water, now, had the story continued there, it would probably have happend. And at that moment, the batboat would be a pretty good place to do the hot stuff at that moment without anyone bothering.

Anyhoo, i guess i just like the idea of Oracle as something that could happen to the animated Barbara Gordon.
But if Batman continuity was a religion, i'd believe in the animated series. But that's mainly because of Barbara Gordon. People think i'm this crazy cartoon-chicks lover, but it's not like that at all. I just fell in love with someone who just happens to be a cartoon. I'm not someone who gets off on cartoons, just Barbara Gordon. Babs from the Batman cartoon.

And also, i can't really handle the fact that with different artists characters look different in the normal DCU. You know?
In TNBA Barbara has only one look, the animated look. And one artist draws Oracle very different then the other. Know what i meen?
But i think the character Oracle herself is pretty cool.

:cool: :D :rolleyes: ;)

[X-human]

IMHO Harley Quinn, while perhaps may have had sex before she met The Joker, has reverted and really has not concept of sex. As Karl Kesel said in an interview,


It’s a game to her. She really is like the mindset of a kid. There’s this device where she’ll do something incredibly violent and horrible, like hitting someone over the head with a hammer, and she’ll see it in an almost animated style with little birds flying around the head. In reality, though, the skull has been cracked open and there’s blood all over the place. She doesn’t really see the true consequences of what she’s doing. She just doesn’t get it.

This can be likly aplied to just about any "adult" idea. She doesn't know about the birds and the bees anymore, her life is something out of Loony Tunes. You kiss, and then a drunk Stork drops off a baby elephant onto your lap instead of a human baby. That's her concept of reality. So when she said "play," it most likly means their acts of crime. When they rob a bank, she's not going to accidently prick herself on one of Ivy thorns and go into convulsions. Her love for The Joker is puppy love, and can be seen in the latest arc in her own series by her attempts to help other couples, in denial of her own loss, which are naive and unproductive since she has no true grasp of love.

Poison Ivy I believe is someone who feels above animal instinct, and altough may feel attractions, it's repressed and would appear in other forms, most likly the pleasure of touching other plants, or perhaps what she sees as pleasure for plants which may be drinking pure stream water or direct sun light. This belief of hers is of course redirected at men, and women who "short change" themselves by also sinking to such perversions, who she taunts by revealing their own animal weaknesses by kissing and shaking her booty at men and grabbing the attention away from other women. She lashes out at those who are intouch with their sense of sexuality, and the combination of The Joker's dominance over Harley (Ivy's competition so to speak) and Harley's love for The Joker, something Ivy is most likly jealse of and therefore revolts, is why she is compelled to break Harley's ties with The Joker. It's because Ivy is selfish that she despised their live, not perhaps because she loves Harley.

The Joker, if he's anything, is likly gay. He only recongizes Batman and himself. Everyone else is a tool, for him to use to reach Batman. Even Harley. This is why he's able to easily kill males and females without any distinction. He doesn't reconginze them as human beings. Most killers gravitate towards killing those of the type and sex which they are attracted. If anyone of the opposite sex which they like is killed, it's because for them the rules don't apply, and they must be eliminated in order to persue the killer's true goals. The Joker is single minded, and thinks that Batman even enjoys their encounters. The Joker gets gratification by pleasing Batman by using what he thinks is entertainment.

So although Timm and Dini may hint at it because they've got a funny bone (which is pretty damn funny, come on, admit it), I don't think either Quinn or Ivy would ever have sexual relations because of their own repressed minds. They may sleep in one bed because to Quinn noteably cartoon characters often sleep together in one bed (it's funnier that way) and to Ivy, the bed may be like soil, and everyone shares the same earth/bed in her ideal society. But, that's looking far to deep.

Charaters are windows to our own souls, we fill in all the missing peices and shape the puzzels of their minds using our own experiences and understandings of the information given to use. There is no univeral view of a fictional character, even the original author's interpretation may shift as time goes on.

[Bud 'n Lou]

Charaters are windows to our own souls, we fill in all the missing peices and shape the puzzels of their minds using our own experiences and understandings of the information given to use. There is no univeral view of a fictional character, even the original author's interpretation may shift as time goes on.

You've got a point. I just interpret their relationship as being somewhat sexual in nature. But then again, I saw an episode of Pepper Ann today (first time I ever watched it), and in it, Pepper Ann is pretty much pining over a girl she met at summer camp to such an intense degree that I thought to myself, "Wow...Pepper Ann is a lesbian. Cool!" I mean, to me it seemed obvious that she was in love with the girl, but that's just my own interpretation. I guess I really like the idea of a gay character (one that's not there as a joke) in a children's cartoon.

[Nightflower]

X-human, although you bumped a month-old thread, I'd just like to comment that that was a damn sexy post :)

[Bobby Boy 101]

hey, maybe this topic will be explord a little in the gotham girls mini, or maybe even in the harley and ivy mini, if it ever comes out :rolleyes:

[Terminatah]

There's no reason to think the Joker doesn't enjoy a healthy sexual relationship with Harley Quinn. It's just not the sort of thing they would've been able to show us on BTAS, that's all.

-Terminatah

[The Game]

I think that's a good anylisis of the Joker but I doubt he's actually gay- just crazy. It's possible but I think he sees Harley in a sexual way, I mean, she certianly seems to satisfy him.

[Harley Fan]

I doubt that Harley and Ivy have anything more for eachother other than a simple friendship. Poison Ivy just hates ALL people, and is friends with Harley because they make such a dynamic team as criminals. Harley is friends with Ivy because no one else accepts her (especially the Joker.)

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by X-human

This can be likly aplied to just about any "adult" idea. She doesn't know about the birds and the bees anymore, her life is something out of Loony Tunes. You kiss, and then a drunk Stork drops off a baby elephant onto your lap instead of a human baby. That's her concept of reality.

You know, this makes me wonder....what exactly does Harley mean when she calls the hyenas "the babies"? Is it a cute nickname, or is it possible that in her own demented mind, they are her babies?!? :eek:

[The Penguin]

Why does this keep getting brought back up? :confused:

[X-human]

Originally posted by Nightflower
X-human, although you bumped a month-old thread, I'd just like to comment that that was a damn sexy post :)

You know, I felt sexy typing it. :)

I revived this thread because I had something to say, and I only read the day the last post was posted, not the month, so I though it'd been two or three days since the last post. I forgot what I was searching to come accross the thread in the first place.

It also shows just how intrigued humans are of sex. I doubt this subject would ever die. Like in Chasing Amy when Hooper X and Banky discuss hidden gay subplots in the Archie Comics. No matter how old it is, some fanboy/girl somewhere, will rehash this topic.

Perhaps you've got something there Joe Tully, I got a good laugh thinking about it. Also, do you think this may mean Kevin Smith already thinkis his daughter might be gay?

[Jtlats]

Paul Dini has gone on record that Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy, within the DCAU (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DCAU), have a same-sex relationship going on (presumably when the Joker isn't around). This was never part of the animated series itself (as it aired in a kids' time slot), but it was hinted at when they did the Sexy Shirt Switch (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexyShirtSwitch) thing when not out committing crimes. There was more hinting in a comic bookhttp://static.mediatropes.info/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif (http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/lesbiansbl1.png)◊ set in the same Verse (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheVerse). The sheer amount of subtext hinting to this crossed the line in the comic and became just plain text.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGay

Sorry, It has been confirmed by the Creators of Harley she is bi with Ivy. I registered and every thing just so I could answer this question. She is BI! And dude with green text, get over it.