C&C - Fullmetal Alchemist - "Human Transmutation" [2/11] [Archive]

Strollymonster

02-12-2006, 12:14 AM

Well, I guess FMA really does take place in the normal world universe, since they've finally explicity connected "the ancient religion" with Jesus.

Yep, that's the first real-world connection to religion they've made.

This opens the door to a LOT of questions, especially whether Ishbala is an FMA extension of Islam (there have been a LOT of parallels, you must admit)

The witch hunts and plague mentioned previously are also apparently derived from the real world.

If anything, I'd say that the "birth of Christ" mention firmly cements FMA as an alternate present if alchemy was a workable science.

Meanwhile, Al and Tucker have some talks...but will Al REALLY allow himself to be used to create a new Nina? I will FREAK OUT if we have/get to see Nina again...would she remember?

Humble

02-12-2006, 12:16 AM

Ed finally knows the truth about Dante.

Oh, and Envy kicks ass. :D

-Humble

LordTerminal

02-12-2006, 12:17 AM

Envy is a demented little bastard isn't he?

Humble

02-12-2006, 12:23 AM

My heart bleeds for Lust.

-Humble

KuwabaraTheMan

02-12-2006, 12:26 AM

Lust>everyone else.

Damn, this series just got kicked up another notch, after already being great.

And Shou just won't give up, will he? That bastard just doesn't know when to quit...

KojiroTakenashi

02-12-2006, 12:27 AM

I think Alchemy is workable thanks to the efforts of the likes of Dante and Hohenheim...

Did anyone else notice? That's a whole underground CITY there!

G1Ravage

02-12-2006, 12:29 AM

That episode went by way too quickly.

XOMiss_Samantha

02-12-2006, 12:29 AM

:D :D :D :D :anime:
Roy putting galsses on Riza? Very nice.
Envy is quite cool [along with INSANE] and ive grown attached to Lust. Im happy shes nice now.
Wrath deffinatly has A.D.D. Hes like a kid with too much sugar.
I just dont have words to describe this shows awesomness:anime:

Captain Zechs

02-12-2006, 12:31 AM

I was talking to Demonic Raven, on IM, and I was like "If Lust sides with Ed in this fight, she will become my favorite character".

I already liked Lust so much, but now she is just incredibly Awesome. I hope she makes it out of this alive, because if she doesn't I will be incredibly sad.

Lust Automatically makes this episode a 5.

But on the side,

A new Nina...just what we need. And then Sloth coming in, wow, one hell of a fight is about to take place.

5/5

Chuquita

02-12-2006, 12:31 AM

Wow...things are really getting to the climax.
How many more episodes do we have to go?

B.K.

02-12-2006, 12:33 AM

Only five more.

Strollymonster

02-12-2006, 12:37 AM

And another excellent FMA episode wraps.

Holy crap, Nina's back! And...she doesn't have a soul, making the story of her existence even more depressing. This doesn't bode well for the homunculi, who are essentially aiming for the same operation.

Al's dissolving, much like Ed feared...however, I expected more to vanish for something as major as a human transmutation, so this stone is hugely powerful (as if there was any doubt).

Archer (and his wounds) referenced, but we have yet to see the guy. Five bucks says he's worse than the kid in that old "Mask" movie.

This is probably the last time we'll see Izumi and her group, so enjoy it. It sounded like Ed didn't get anything to use against Wrath since he didn't use it against him when they fought.

Ed's down a hand, yikes. Given that, will he and Winry meet up again to fix him?

They finally got around to mentioning Drachma, the land to the north. They introduced it much earlier in the manga.

Nice to see Mustang is looking out for his subordinates where he can.

Envy FINALLY reappeared, but we didn't get to see what form he/she was taking before. Pretty much everyone expected that Hohenheim was Envy's creator, given Envy's remarks back in Lab 5. However, the way that Dante referred to Envy makes me wonder if perhaps Envy is actually the end result of a transmutation of one of Hohenheim's past children? That's only speculation, but it seems plausible...if that is the case, don't confirm it. I'd rather be surprised!

Lust has finally turned completely, it seems. In a creepy turn, Wrath and Sloth seem to get along much as a mother and child...weird indeed. Dante is making it seem like Hohenheim's gone, but I doubt it.

One last thing...when the Fuhrer went down his elevator, we saw the strange city and grating that's in the intro when the logo comes on...I hope that'll get some explanation, since it's apparently underground.

B.K.

02-12-2006, 12:40 AM

Archer (and his wounds) referenced, but we have yet to see the guy. Five bucks says he's worse than the kid in that old "Mask" movie.

They were supposed to show him right before the cut to the commercial, but they removed it.

Scirel

02-12-2006, 12:44 AM

Envy FINALLY reappeared, but we didn't get to see what form he/she was taking before. Pretty much everyone expected that Hohenheim was Envy's creator, given Envy's remarks back in Lab 5. However, the way that Dante referred to Envy makes me wonder if perhaps Spoiler: (highlight to read)Envy is actually the end result of a transmutation of one of Hohenheim's past children?That's only speculation, but it seems plausible.

Nail on the head. Not too hard to guess who the mom was.

Demonic Raven

02-12-2006, 01:04 AM

Great episode.

Tucker is way too persistent. It's time to give up...Nina is a lost cause.

So, he finally teaches Al how to use the Philosopher's Stone, but Al also learns about the price to pay while using it. It seems it takes a chunk of your soul with each usage. Poor Al. :sad:

Ed has his encounter with the Homunculi, with a rather unexpected result. Lust agrees to asist him, but she wants Ed to restore her using the Stone. I have my doubts if this alliance will actually work out, but we'll see.

9/10.

PickHut

02-12-2006, 01:05 AM

Despite a hint or two, and seeing Lust "side" with Ed, it wasn't until the episode almost ended that I realized not much really happened in this episode. It wasn't bad...... but, I really can't say anything great about it, either.

I give HT a C+.

One Radical Dude

02-12-2006, 01:13 AM

I give it a B. It started off weak, in my book -- not too much happened until the middle part of the episode. I always have been a Lust fan, even before her alliance with Ed. We'll have to wait and see how it all goes. It looks like Shou's attempt to bring Nina back was a failure. Sorry, Shou -- it's time for her to go.

Hyper Shadow X

02-12-2006, 01:20 AM

When does Archer show up again?

AlienOmega

02-12-2006, 01:49 AM

When does Archer show up again?My guess (possible major spoiler, if I'm right):
Next episode, and he's the one ordered to kill Mustang

peacebyanymeans

02-12-2006, 02:34 AM

Aw, we're deprived of half an Archer.

They cut him out. Before the cut to commercial it showed him screaming with half his head missing. If I remember correctly. Something was missing, I know that.

Paul_Cousins

02-12-2006, 02:53 AM

They cut him out. Before the cut to commercial it showed him screaming with half his head missing. If I remember correctly. Something was missing, I know that.They already showed Archer missing half his face up close a few episodes ago. :sweat:

Anyway, I found this to be a good episode and I am glad that one of the sins, Lust, realizes that Dante is not going to keep her promise to them about making them human.

peacebyanymeans

02-12-2006, 02:55 AM

Seriously? I must be confused.

G1Ravage

02-12-2006, 03:32 AM

Considering the size of past Talkbacks, this one is remarkably lackluster.

Shana06

02-12-2006, 04:50 AM

Anyway, I found this to be a good episode and I am glad that one of the sins, Lust, realizes that Dante is not going to keep her promise to them about making them human.
I'm wondering wether Sloth may think she is in an awkawrd position. Since Trisha is Hohenheim's wife, it is very likely Dante could have some hard feelings toward her, especially if she is really made a human.

Paul_Cousins

02-12-2006, 06:03 AM

I'm wondering wether Sloth may think she is in an awkawrd position. Since Trisha is Hohenheim's wife, it is very likely Dante could have some hard feelings toward her, especially if she is really made a human.I don't think anyone has pointed that out to Sloth yet. :sweat:

A.Magik

02-12-2006, 07:34 AM

Now that the reason for Envy's hatred of the Brothers Elric has been revealed, one can consider that his killing Hughes had a more personal motive than following orders. Hughes was a close friend to Ed and Al, and his death would fit Envy's declaration to deprive them of everything. In that case, I wonder if Envy knows about Ed delivering Hughes' daughter Elicia...

I really hope it's not Ed who kills Envy. That job belongs to Hughes' friends in the military like Mustang, Hawkeye, or Armstrong. Besides, Ed's already has his hands full taking down the rest of the group.

Looks like Wrath might be dead. I wonder if a Homunculi can be killed by another Homunculi?

Can Tucker be thinking of redemption in his creation of Chimera Nina? Perhaps his daughter's death had a greater effect on him that we thought.

A.Magik

shadowstrain

02-12-2006, 08:11 AM

Tis a shame Hawkeye could not accompany Mustang and Armstrong ... :(

Lust gets infinite props for impaling Wrath in the forehead. I truly hope she wins her body back.

This underground city ... perhaps the result of a past conception of the philosopher's stone?

Samurai Rocko

02-12-2006, 10:39 AM

Another Great episode from FMA. We figure out why Envy hates the Elrics so much. I wonder if he/she resents Sloth as well. 5/5

Assembler

02-12-2006, 12:35 PM

I give this episode an A+ only one thing i didn't like was that i didn't get to see Archer. I saw him from afar but we didn't get to see how his messed up face looked. On a good note... More envy, a Crazzed Wraith, and Tucker.:)
Plus the break dancing envy has come.:D Now only if we can get a COMPLETE ending not bits of it.

TnAdct1

02-12-2006, 12:44 PM

Looks like Wrath might be dead. I wonder if a Homunculi can be killed by another Homunculi? Wrath's still alive. After all, you can't kill a Homunculi that easily.

FireStarterLE

02-12-2006, 01:37 PM

and how many times have we seen Lust impaled .... they're immortal, dont forget what Ed and Lust were talking about, being cruel and all.

You can tell this wasnt a major episode since the talkback is only 2 pages long.

Poor Envy, didnt get a chance at H.Light, then to take out the anger he knocks Pride halfway across the room

And judging from the next ep preview, first up: Sloth

Sanwich

02-12-2006, 02:01 PM

Well, it was pretty much explicitly stated in this episode that Envy was one of Hoenheim's kids... so I wouldn't consider it a spoiler any longer.

My questions now are... who was the mother (yeah, there's basically one big choice, but in that case why wouldn't Envy want revenge on her as well?), and what were the circumstances surrounding the death of Envy's human counterpart? I'd like to know if these are answered eventually, though I don't need to know the actual answers now.

silvanoir

02-12-2006, 03:41 PM

I thought it was a good ep. Lust swtiched sides after finally smacking down the Wrath kid. He needed a good smack upside the head. Envy has a serious tantrum, pounding in the floor. Sloth still acting like a mother but obviously evil... creepy.

In a way, I'm glad it's only another Nina clone (not a furry one this time) and has no soul... the poor little girl woudl freak out after being turned into a dog, eploded, dead, back to life, and waking up to see her father's upsidedown-head on some fat kangaroo's body.

Now... question: Al and Ed want to use the philospher stone to restore their bodies. But when Al uses the stone, part of the body he has now dissapears. So.... that won't work, will it?

Space Chief

02-12-2006, 04:23 PM

I found this episode to be kinda disappointing.

Ed and Izumi's coversation was truly intriguing though.

And we finally know who Envy was.

The Koopinator

02-12-2006, 04:30 PM

Lust gets infinite respect points for impaling that whiny bastard in the head.

Space Chief

02-12-2006, 05:20 PM

Lust gets infinite respect points for impaling that whiny bastard in the head.

Possible spoiler?

Unfortunately, he's alive and well in the next episode preview.

shadowstrain

02-12-2006, 06:19 PM

But when Al uses the stone, part of the body he has now dissapears. So.... that won't work, will it?

As long as Al's blood-seal still remains intact, getting his real body back shouldn't be a problem (assuming the stone still functions).

Timmay

02-12-2006, 08:22 PM

Don't try to work out the underlying mechanics of this series... you'll just find plotholes.. Expect anything.

Ultra8

02-12-2006, 09:09 PM

Well that answers my question about who made Greed, Dante or the old woman(before Dante took residence). Though that scheme makes sense: you have Pride go to war for you and since Greed can use alchemy(I think) you don't need to go scouting for someone that's already backed into a corner.
Envy being Hoenhiem's sin just adds another piece to Ed & Al's allready weird family tree.
Plus Lust joins Team Elric and from the looks of next week Ed's going to need all the help he can get.

10/10

Anyone00

02-12-2006, 10:15 PM

Plus Lust joins Team Elric and from the looks of next week Ed's going to need all the help he can get.

I think Lust only belongs to one team: her own.

NahMan85

02-12-2006, 10:25 PM

I think Lust only belongs to one team: her own.
Yeah. I think that has been proven time and time again through-out the enitre series.

Singularity

02-13-2006, 01:26 AM

Greed can use alchemy(I think)No, no, no. Greed's "a homunculus like me who can use alchemy" line meant that Wrath was a homunculus like him, not that both can use alchemy.

Greed's only homunculus power is to convert the carbon in his body to create a diamond-like substance.

Freedom Fighter

02-13-2006, 03:50 AM

Why doesn't Tucker give up on bringing back Nina? I don't care if he truly misses her, but like she'll ever forgive him if she's ever successfully brought back to life (and given everything that's happened in this series, I doubt it).

Not much else to this episode, other than Lust betraying the other homonculi and the effects of Al having a Philosopher's Stone in him revealed!

7 out of 10 for "Human Transmutation." The countdown begins... 5 episodes to go!

Vallen Valiant

02-13-2006, 04:37 AM

adoptedBatpuppy

02-13-2006, 11:23 AM

Hmm...I wonder if Al would let Tucker use the Philosopher's Stone? After all that he told him, I wouldn't, but who knows. Tucker knew all along, the truth! :ack: Why didn't he say something sooner?
You know the sad thing is: that Nina would never be alive again, or a normal person, the same girl she was before. Why can't Tucker just let her go..:crying:

Izumi is right on, Dante doesn't love anyone but herself!
She was a human at one time, and Hohenheim loved her human side!
After she killed so many people just to benefit herself, he left! :yawn:
Does she know how it feels, why would she say and do something like that?
The scary part is: I realized that Izumi got out of there just in time, she would have ended up dead or in Lyra's situation! :eek:
The background music is so sad, I feel like someone died already and the series is not even over!
What hapened to Hohenheim if he isn't dead?
What's going on in the North now? Whom is the military gathering against?
I think Roy and Riza have a plan.
When Envy shows up, we find out for sure that he is proabably, another child of Hohenheim, the one that died, and was resurructed through alchemy the way Izumi's child was! That would explain why he is as young as Wrath.
Dante resurructed Pride and Greed, and my guess is both of them are her late husbands two that she really liked enopgh to attempt human transmutation on! :sweat:
Lust switched sides, she was hinting about that all along when she didn't attack Al when he first turned to Philosopher's Stone.
Greed turned against Dante early on in the series and now Lust, I have a feeling she will not be around for long, same with Tucker(he knows too much)
Here is good idea for Ed and Al if they can get all the homoncili to revolt against Dante. She would probably be eastier to fight! :)
Las question: Why is there 51 episodes in the series instead of standard 52?
Or is the standard only practiced in the USA?

TnAdct1

02-13-2006, 12:07 PM

What's going on in the North now? Whom is the military gathering against? There's no real coup going on in the North. The military gathering is basically Pride's way to have Mustang bumped off without making it look as if it was an assassination attempt.

XOMiss_Samantha

02-13-2006, 12:11 PM

What's going on in the North now? Whom is the military gathering against?

Even tho what TnAdct1 said is right, there IS a place in the north they mentioned during the episode called Drachma.
There somes infomation about the FMA world here: http://www.fullmetalalchemist.info/fmaworld.html
just incase you want to know anymore about it.

Tash

02-13-2006, 04:16 PM

Okay, can someone tell me EXACTLY what Wrath's power is? There's got to be more to it than just Alchemy, or he'd be lame.

XOMiss_Samantha

02-13-2006, 04:19 PM

Okay, can someone tell me EXACTLY what Wrath's power is? There's got to be more to it than just Alchemy, or he'd be lame.

Being obsessed with Sloth and acting extremly hyper.=D

Honestly I think his only power is alchemy or we'd seen it long before. But he can change his body parts into different things,(that arm he has) Ed CAN'T do that. I think I remember he made his hand rock like or something?

peacebyanymeans

02-13-2006, 05:17 PM

Being obsessed with Sloth and acting extremly hyper.=D

That doesn't start until the next episode... sans the hyper part.

Honestly I think his only power is alchemy or we'd seen it long before. But he can change his body parts into different things,(that arm he has) Ed CAN'T do that. I think I remember he made his hand rock like or something?

But he does that with alchemy. Though, in the manga he never exist. MANGA SPOILER:the Fuhrer is Wrath, and Pride was not yet revealed. So this Wraith is basically a character created for the anime. Thus, they didn't think of giving him anything beyond alchemy, I guess.

Rurouni Kenshin

02-13-2006, 07:12 PM

That doesn't start until the next episode... sans the hyper part.

But he does that with alchemy. Though, in the manga he never exist. MANGA SPOILER:the Fuhrer is Wrath, and Pride was not yet revealed. So this Wraith is basically a character created for the anime. Thus, they didn't think of giving him anything beyond alchemy, I guess.

I'm surprised he wasn't in the manga, he's a really great character.

Beefy

02-14-2006, 07:15 PM

Ed missed a good opportunity to get his arm and leg back while Wrath was knocked out. Something tells me he'll regret it later.

So now we know who made all the Sins except Gluttony. He just doesn't get any love.

When Al is lit up when the Philosopher's Stone is being used, it looks like a creepy face. Need to find a screenshot...

XOMiss_Samantha

02-14-2006, 07:50 PM

Need to find a screenshot...

Heres 2 of them if it helps

http://fma.xezi.com/images/46/images/49.jpg
http://fma.xezi.com/images/46/images/48.jpg

(curtasy of http://fma.xezi.com/index.php?page=media.html)

Tash

02-14-2006, 08:00 PM

So now we know who made all the Sins except Gluttony. He just doesn't get any love.
Something tells me that we'll never find out. Why do they hate him so much?

Scirel

02-14-2006, 09:52 PM

Something tells me that we'll never find out. Why do they hate him so much?

We do never find out, but...

his true form, which we seen in the movie, is beyond awesome. Now THAT is what I call a Living sin.

Singularity

02-14-2006, 09:53 PM

Okay, can someone tell me EXACTLY what Wrath's power is? There's got to be more to it than just Alchemy, or he'd be lame.
Stretching his body. He only uses this in this episode (when ripping off part of Ed's arm) and the opening, though.

G1Ravage

02-14-2006, 11:44 PM

So now we know who made all the Sins except Gluttony. He just doesn't get any love.

It's true we never find out (as everyone has said), but some people have speculated that it was probably Dante.

Delthayre

02-14-2006, 11:46 PM

It's true we never find out (as everyone has said), but some people have speculated that it was probably Dante.

Nah, it was probably a space man who choked on a muffin.

Tash

02-15-2006, 12:29 AM

Nah, it was probably a space man who choked on a muffin.
FMA doesn't have spacemen. It does, however, have a specific dog who's mysteriously missing a leg...

Maenos

02-15-2006, 12:36 AM

FMA doesn't have spacemen. It does, however, have a specific dog who's mysteriously missing a leg...

I don't really consider this a spoiler, but I've learned better safe than sorry:
heh, Arakawa (FMA's creator) says that Den lost his leg defending Ed, Al, and Winry from something (she doesn't say what) at an early age.

Fafhrd

02-15-2006, 01:47 AM

Some things that have occurred to me:

The homunculi are immortal. Why would Dante not use a homunculus as her next body? She would then be relieved of the requirement to keep jumping from body to body. Or is she afraid her alchemical powers wouldn't transfer?

Gluttony may pre-date Dante and Hohenheim, and has always existed--truly an "original sin".

Hohenheim was taken by the Gate. Was he there previously? He'd been missing for something like 12 years (Ed remembered him, Al didn't; Ed's about 16 now. I forget the difference in ages of the two brothers).