I hate xplay on g4tv!

[Jay]

I know its their jobs to judge games but when they go out of their way to piss of anime fans i have a problem there. They have made fun of Dragon Ball Z,FMA,Inuyasha,One Piece fan's at one time. X-play is the worst show on g4 the jokes are badly written and delivered by both adam and morgan.

[Gatomon41]

Let me guess, they gave another Dragonball Z game a 2 out of 5?

Considering how fantical some anime fans are, I say I'm not really surprised.

[Duke]

Let me guess, they gave another Dragonball Z game a 2 out of 5?
IIRC, they gave DBZ Budokai 3 a 4 out of 5.

[Scirel]

X-Play often goes out of their way to Piss Anime fans off. Which puzzles me since Anime/RPG fans probably make up a good percentage of their viewership.


Think what adult swim does, only 1000 times less polite or tasteful, and never, ever defending it, which AS does more than give slight bashes. Adult Swim " Half-Jokingly pokes fun" at anime. x-Play kicks it down and drags it through the dirt.

Gatomon, i`ve seen the show, and it's not anime fans being too sensitive, they really do go out of their way to hate on anime stuff.

[Djm912]

X-Play goes out of their way to make sure that they remind us that even though they're reviewing video games, they hate gamers, and most people of that ilk. Don't want to alienate the rest of the 18-24 males.

I wouldn't be surprised if Adam Sessler goes bye-bye before 2007.

[Space Chief]

Actually, I remember that when it was still Extended Play, they had an "All-Anime" episode featuring Adam saying that he likes Hellsing.

[SirLemming]

Personally, I found it very irritating when they covered that Final Fantasy concert that happened a year ago or so in the U.S. and they were all OMG PPL LIEK VIDEO GAME MUSIK??!?!?! I mean, sure, some people were dressed up in stupid costumes and deserved to be made fun of, but other people were just listing their favorite FF songs and Morgan & Adam were making funny faces and being all like "Whoa, what an obsessive weirdo this person is for knowing songs from a VIDEO GAME!"

[Gatomon41]

IIRC, they gave DBZ Budokai 3 a 4 out of 5.
I was joking.


X-Play often goes out of their way to Piss Anime fans off. Which puzzles me since Anime/RPG fans probably make up a good percentage of their viewership.


Think what adult swim does, only 1000 times less polite or tasteful, and never, ever defending it, which AS does more than give slight bashes. Adult Swim " Half-Jokingly pokes fun" at anime. x-Play kicks it down and drags it through the dirt.

Gatomon, i`ve seen the show, and it's not anime fans being too sensitive, they really do go out of their way to hate on anime stuff.

I've seen the show too, but I've never seen them actually bash a television series, just a poorly made games and the fanatical fans that send them emails.

I've seen enough fanatics in any fandom. If someone messes one thing up, they will send you emails knowing what you did wrong, how to correct it, and why you're evil because of your mistake.

I'm preety sure that the injoke is that certain fans like to hawk on anything when Sess and Morgan get anything wrong with their favorite show, and X-Play strikes back by showing off their Hate mail in a humorus manner.

[Scirel]

There's a distinction between "getting a few things wrong" and "complete misinformation you`d have to be blind and deaf to get wrong".

TO give an example of how they don`t care, they called Al from FMA a robot. Anyone with even MINOR knowledge of FMA or the very most basic plot summaries of it would know that he isn`t. It's their job to know about a game and they prove that they don`t care by getting obvious things like that wrong.

[Gatomon41]

There's a distinction between "getting a few things wrong" and "complete misinformation you`d have to be blind and deaf to get wrong".

TO give an example of how they don`t care, they called Al from FMA a robot. Anyone with even MINOR knowledge of FMA or the very most basic plot summaries of it would know that he isn`t. It's their job to know about a game and they prove that they don`t care by getting obvious things like that wrong.

And here's an example of why it's funny.

Really, is it so bad that the show gets some things wrong? Maybe a Golem or possessed armor would have been better terms?

BTW: Didn't Sessler say Al looked like a robot, but never actually stated Al was a robot?

[Duke]

BTW: Didn't Sessler say Al looked like a robot, but never stated he was a robot?
No, he said something along the lines of "And so, Ed and his robot brother..." Considering it tells the origin of the brothers near the beginning of the game AND in the instruction manual, I don't see how you could get that wrong.

[Gatomon41]

No, he said something along the lines of "And so, Ed and his robot brother..." Considering it tells the origin of the brothers near the beginning of the game AND in the instruction manual, I don't see how you could get that wrong.

Don't they have freelance guys doing the game reviews though? If so, then the blame falls on the wirters. Although Sessler should have changed the dialouge when he noticed something wrong, though he may not be an FMA fan. Or perhaps the line was shorten to for time.

Really, does accuracy really matter? It's a game review show with jokes (even if they do stink 60% of the time). They're there to tell you if the game is good or bad.

[Rocketboy]

But the problem is, to them (From what I watched) They think ALL anime games are bad. They say it's just mashing buttons like crazy.

[HellCat]

Were they the ones who did the review of Gundam SEED-Never Ending Tomorrow with "Odds on Kira actually being male"? I thought that was kinda funny.

[Gatomon41]

But the problem is, to them (From what I watched) They think ALL anime games are bad. They say it's just mashing buttons like crazy.

I think the general consenus is that a large ammount of anime games are poorly made and are mostly made for fans who would like them. There are a few, like the before mentioned Budokai 3, that get good ratings.

Go to Gametab.com, put in most anime games, and check what other sites rated those games. Most are either average or below average.

Probably, most games based on a franchise are bad, except for a few good, innovative ones like the Star Wars games.


Were they the ones who did the review of Gundam SEED-Never Ending Tomorrow with "Odds on Kira actually being male"? I thought that was kinda funny.


You saw that too? Saw it on Google Video. I thought it was funny, espiecally Kira's Odds and game footage of Murrue.

[sdp]

it's actually one of the best shows G4 has....of course that isn't saying much. It is also the only TechTV show left...;(

The show has always been like that though, they have many tongue in cheek jokes too so i don't really see the 'problem'.

[Jade_GL]

But the problem is, to them (From what I watched) They think ALL anime games are bad. They say it's just mashing buttons like crazy.

No, that's not true.

They dislike bad games, and 90% of games based on anime, and movies for that matter, are utter crap.

Funny, I don't see people hating on them for hating movie games, but when they pan an obviously lackluster anime game, it's suddenly some immense plot to pick on all anime fans.

Come on. It's funny. I think it's hilarious and I am a fan of anime! But the games they make for these series are the problem. They crank out crap games and people buy them because it's connected to their favorite show, whether it's good or not.

Hey, I made the mistake on my own with things and learned from it. I rented many a game based on a favorite TV show or movie and realized that the resulting game was an offense to mankind.

But if the game stinks, it stinks, no matter if it's based on anime or not. Such is life. Heck, I love Batman and Superman, but I know that most games based on their movies, cartoons, or comics are crap.

They give great reviews. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I disagree, but they always seem to talk about the right things when they comment on a game. Playability, graphics, controls, music, among other factors.

Heck, they're leagues better than hte guys on Judgment Day. At least they don't let a bias for stuff get in the way. They did, after all, give a DBZ game a 4 out of 5. If they really just ahted anime games in general with no provocation, they would always give them a 1 or 2 rating, not actually praise some.

Why do some get praise. Because *shock* they are actaully good games.

[TnAdct1]

I wouldn't be surprised if Adam Sessler goes bye-bye before 2007. ...or if he's confronted by a girl in black floral kimono, who then immediately sends him to Hell. :anime:

[Robin2099]

But the problem is, to them (From what I watched) They think ALL anime games are bad. They say it's just mashing buttons like crazy. Adam Sessler said on an episode when one fan sent him a letter complaining about his review of Anime games that he "doesn't hate anime games or anime but most anime games suck and that is why they rip into them". And I could understand Adam and Morgan getting annoyed when Anime fans constantly send them stupid e-mails insulting and bashing them cause they don't like there games (and on one show they did read some of those e-mails out loud). People need to lighten up, I'm a huge Star Wars fan and I wasn't blowing a gasket when Triumph the Insult Comic Dog went and insulted us at the EP2 premiere.


TO give an example of how they don`t care, they called Al from FMA a robot. Anyone with even MINOR knowledge of FMA or the very most basic plot summaries of it would know that he isn`t. It's their job to know about a game and they prove that they don`t care by getting obvious things like that wrong. But if you don't watch the show, it's a bit unrealistic to expect them to know a bunch about the characters or the history, since there job is just to review games. If they review a game based on the Superman comics, then I don't expect them to know everything about the almost seventy year history of the character before playing the game.

[NachoHat]

Oh no.

Someone making fun of anime.

Whatever will we do.

Noooooooes.

[Duke]

But if you don't watch the show, it's a bit unrealistic to expect them to know a bunch about the characters or the history, since there job is just to review games. If they review a game based on the Superman comics, then I don't expect them to know everything about the almost seventy year history of the character before playing the game.
But it explains Ed & Al's origin during the game itself.

[Gatomon41]

But it explains Ed & Al's origin during the game itself.

They made it up for the FMA II game review. They actually spent time to explain the orgins of Ed and Al, Sessler acknowledging Al is not a Robot, and that he does not wear an apron. I guess the army of Fanboys and their whining finally convinced him :rolleyes:

[Tash]

However I WOULD like someone to knock them down a few notches. Their ego has been slowly growing since the beginning of the show, now it's to the point where it's hard to watch. It's not just the anime game insults either. It's become less about the games and more about Adam and Morgan going "haha, we're on TV, so we're better than you".

[Scirel]

But why review so many anime games? They're usually obscure enough to get passed by by average gamers aside from the DBZ games which everyone knows.

Yes, most anime games suck, I realize that, and so do most anime fans. But they should spend more time giving props to things they like than constatly bashing a particular group of fans. It gets grating because of the fact that they focus like that. They also make fun of things having to do more with the show the games are based on, and the story, than the gameplay itself.

[GMB]

Uhm, as someone who has no stake in how they hate on FMA one way or the other, allow me to weigh in on what a terrible, terrible show X-Play is:

Because every damn game is reviewed in the way--snark, snark, failed ironic jab, obscure or played-out reference, insult, commercial. It's the same sort of wannabe irony that Attack of the Show tries and fails to do as well. Kinda like someone found Seababy's NES site long ago and said "well, hell, I could do this" & proceeded to wring any and all humour out of it in a way that makes rainbows turn grey and Baby Jesus cry tears of blood.

Because ironic humour is a delicate instrument and trying to be "ironic" and "clever" every minute in every single review means it gets a lot less funny and a loss less tolerable. X-Play is a lot like being bashed in the head with a hammer repeatedly for 30 minutes. A loud one. Multiply that by the 30 times the show is on during a programming day and try not to hate.

So for the me, the show isn't so much a game review show as the sad document of some dreary failed comedy writers who basically decided to take it out on a world that never thought they were all that funny (see: Sealab 2021 after Goz died). It's not one of the worst things ever made my human hands (not as long as Morrisey's still alive, anyways) but for me it's up there, and I do my part by only catch a few minutes (usually waiting for something to come on) after I sat through one painfully awful installment. I can only hope X-Play and Triump will annihilate each other in a conflagration of mutually assured unfunny destruction.

Seriously, the best solution is just not to watch it, guys. Worked for Judgement Day.

[Beat]

When a game sucks, it deserves to be ripped into. Same with television, movies, and music. That's what being a critic is all about. The public needs to know the truth, even if it hurts.

But when they go and do a 2 minute sketch of "Random Angry Full Metal Alchemist fan e-mails read by Drunk Link, a sock trying to be Triumph the Insult Comic dog, and other one note sketch characters", that can be interpreted as being hostile.

[Gatomon41]

But when they go and do a 2 minute sketch of "Random Angry Full Metal Alchemist fan e-mails read by Drunk Link, a sock trying to be Triumph the Insult Comic dog, and other one note sketch characters", that can be interpreted as being hostile.

Hostile email is far game for humor fodder, espiecally since it shows how some fans would go to compalin about one segment.

Althoguh, I did like the sketch very mcuh. If done well, a parody reading of an email can be funny.

[Jay]

However I WOULD like someone to knock them down a few notches. Their ego has been slowly growing since the beginning of the show, now it's to the point where it's hard to watch. It's not just the anime game insults either. It's become less about the games and more about Adam and Morgan going "haha, we're on TV, so we're better than you".

Dude you hit on it,its to the point that they think everything is funny just because they can read it from a telepromter. For people to defend that garabge they must be hardcore xplay fans who worship adam and morgan to the extreme. They just dont review anime games they find little things to make fun of it example

Morgan webb "Why is this robot wearing a loin cloth......he must have some pretty big nuts and bolts"

Tell me how that is part of the review?

[Spike Mcdougal]

I'm suprised noone's mentioned those stupid dog eating jokes Morgan made when they reviewed Nintendogs

[Frank Castle]

They should just bring back Extended Play and then fire Morgan. When it was just Adam, he actually gave intelligent reviews and didn't have to go out of his way to piss people off.

[SirLemming]

Truth be told, if not for the fact that there are virtually no other video game review shows on TV, I definitely wouldn't watch it. The few other shows that exist are... G4 shows. Like Judgment Day, with the bizarrely awful backgrounds, that one really boring guy, and -- of course -- Tommy Tallarico. If I ever want to see Tallarico's level of reviewing expertise, I can just go to the GameFAQs message board.

[Brent Long]

They should just bring back Extended Play and then fire Morgan. When it was just Adam, he actually gave intelligent reviews and didn't have to go out of his way to piss people off.

Remeember, it wasn't always just Adam. Kate Botello used to co-host it with him, though it didn't really seem like she cared too much about video games, but she was an okay host.

[Conan-san]

First thing, that MSG:S NET review sucked with only one redeming feature. Also, if said redeming feature was used when CN Was advertising the show, it would of been less of a mess.

[Classic Speedy]

They should just bring back Extended Play and then fire Morgan. When it was just Adam, he actually gave intelligent reviews and didn't have to go out of his way to piss people off. Indeed. I loved Extended Play, and I would never miss it. Then X-Play came along and I went from big fan to avoidance.
Kate Botello used to co-host it with him, though it didn't really seem like she cared too much about video games, but she was an okay host. And Lauren Fielder was his co-host before that, when it was called GameSpot TV. Kate was decent, but I always preferred the show with Adam solo. I never really liked the forced banter when Adam's with a co-host- when he was talking directly to the camera, it felt like a one-on-one conversation.

[JMorgan]

Woooooooooooooooooooooooow, what the hell?

X-Play is BY FAR the best show on G4 (though that's saying very little in and of itself since everything else except for Icons and sometimes Cinematech completely and utterly sucks infected undead cow udders), and has been arguably the best show (and easily my personal favorite) of anything on ZDTV/TechTV/G4TechTV since I very first watched it as Extended Play.

First of all, I will go ahead and say that yes, I hate and loathe a lot of the humor on the show--but I mean their REALLY REALLY CRAPPY/NOT FUNNY AT ALL skits like Ratty the Sock puppet and Drunk Link and those CORNY-ARSE cartoons that make fun of Top Gun and all that. And any time Adam or Morgan interact with characters from those things in any way, and any time those skits are shown in bits and pieces in the actual game reviews--this makes X-Play look like it's downgraded severely from Extended Play/Gamespot TV.

However, Adam and Morgan themselves, if they just did everything alone and without the "help" of any other "actors" or skits or cartoons, X-Play would still be a complete gem of a show. And it still is, in many ways. The thing is, Adam's actually a pretty nice little geeky guy, and like someone said he likes Hellsing--he probably likes lots of other anime and even RPG's as well, he just vocates how he has distaste for most POPULAR anime and Japanese RPG's probably because of how much of a hissy-fit fanboys of such things get into, and to help the show's "edgy" atmosphere which mainly came around when Morgan joined the show (I'd love the show equally much if it didn't have that "edgy" stuff, but it IS entertaining to me, nonetheless, and I very openly admit that I do find it very humorous when nerdy fanboys wet their pants over someone giving their opinion).

You see, though the show in and of itself has always been an overall good and fun video game review show since Adam was alone or had one of his two previous temporary female co-hosts, full of fun and excitement since Adam himself is quite hyperactive and they always did flashy things and went places and overall gave it a high-quality feel for just being a review show. But now, one of the biggest and best things added to the table when Morgan came was the "brutal honesty" aspect, and a lot more wit. I actually love this aspect of the show and I love Morgan as a co-host; the reviews themselves (aside from the stupid skits or celebrity cartoons they sometimes slap in them) are hilarious and way more fun to watch now, with them poking so much fun at crappy games, or crappy parts of decent games (usually voice acting and how cheesy certain things are, which usually tends to set off anime fans and whatnot, but I don't see why they let it bother them that much). Also, one of the BEST THINGS about the show to me is how they flame and bash fans of popular anime like DBZ, Inuyasha, FMA, etc. because of how STUPID such fans tend to be. You can't argue with me here--watch an episode where they answer fanmail from a popular anime fan. Go on the Internet and tell any such fan that you personally don't like such-and-such series very much. Fans of popular anime, especially if they're young, freak out at the smallest things, and it's no crime to make fun of them. They really, really deserve it. (Note that obviously not every single person who likes DBZ, FMA, IY, etc. sucks, in fact I like DBZ and love FMA, but once an anime gets relaly popular in america suddenly 90% of its fanbase is made up of 13-or-younger kids frothing at the mouth... and, yeah.)

Also note that ONLY Adam has a distaste for most Japanese RPG's in that they tend to be slow-paced and riddled with increasing amounts of needless FMV cutscenes and cheesey American voice acting for extremely Japanese characters--which I can't argue with. He can still give games like Dragon Quest 8 a 5/5, he still loves games like Kingdom Hearts, and Morgan herself has no distaste for RPG's or "slow-paced" games at all that I know of anyways. So that's definately not a big deal, and if reviewers can't have personal opinions that's pretty bad.

[JohnCrichton]

However I WOULD like someone to knock them down a few notches. Their ego has been slowly growing since the beginning of the show, now it's to the point where it's hard to watch. It's not just the anime game insults either. It's become less about the games and more about Adam and Morgan going "haha, we're on TV, so we're better than you".

This I agree with, but in their defense, they do give anime games a good score if the games are good.

They gave DBZ Budokai 4 a 4 out of 5.

I do think they could stand to at least try to understand what anime they're reviewing before leaping straight to how "the story makes no sense", when in FMA's case it definately does.

I haven't played the game, so I don't know if it's really any good. I have to say that anime games I've played like the Zoids games aren't really good games, but only passible in the face of truelly well crafted games. The Zoids games I got were fun cuz I like Zoids, but compared to other good games in its respetive genres.... well.

I do think they could stand to turn down the ego-meter some and focus some more on reviewing the games.

The Guitar Hero game, I barely saw any game play or what it's like to play the game instead most of it was a chuckle worthy skit. Other games, they don't mention its co-op element, like Alien Homenid or Metal Slug which are BIIIIIGGG reason why people would like those games at all.

I like X-Play, I watch it everyday, but sometimes their egos spin out of control at the expense of getting a concise and proper review of a game you might be curious about.

[Nin-Nin69]

Who cares if they make fun of anime or not. The problem is more about them reviewing games on a large scale while nit picking on the smallest details. Nit picking on crap that doesn't really effect the game at all or shouldn't effect you. Then after the nit pick they will either try to give people a history lesson or refer to another game while failing to support their problem at both levels.

After they air their random outbursts, they will post a review on G4TV which is different from what they had issues with on the show. In fact they look more positive than anything Adam and Morrgan said on their show. It's like their interns who play the games more are making up their own reviews and trying to slide some of their bad humor in there. That and probally going back and editing the reviews after they read one angry e-mail out of many they'll skip over.

Yet people lissen to them. There isn't that much of an effect due to sales, but they're reaching out more to the mainstream gamer than the average, old school, or hardcore gamers. And in today's economy the mainstream makes up the most sales. So I do have a problem making the mainstream think a great game sucks on the show, but turning around and saying its great online. I doubt the mainstream gamer will go online to confirm it. From the looks of the site, the average, old school, and hardcore fans make up the majority of the site. And they know full well like I know with the internet we can get better sources anywhere.

[Web Head]

This I agree with, but in their defense, they do give anime games a good score if the games are good.

They gave DBZ Budokai 4 a 4 out of 5.

I do think they could stand to at least try to understand what anime they're reviewing before leaping straight to how "the story makes no sense", when in FMA's case it definately does.
But should you have to familiarize yourself with the source material? I know it's not a stand-alone story, but shouldn't they be able to come in with no outside knowledge and review the game by itself?

Now for a few random points of the show and this thread:

1) As an otaku I can say, MOST ANIME GAMES STINK! In terms of graphics, gameplay, and story these games don't match up to the competition. A reviewer has to look at the merits of a game itself, absent any fanboyism.

2) Otaku, or hardcore anime fans, are fanatics. If X-Play doesn't review the newest Inuyasha, Dragonball Z, or Yu-Gi-Oh game they're probably getting flooded with emails asking them to review it. And when the game in question is sub-par, many people can't seperate their fandom from an objective look at the game.

3) As they said on an X-Play episode, an indictment or an anime-based game is NOT an indictment on the source material. FMA is a great series that can spawn mediocre games (I have only briefly played FMA2, haven't played the first).

4) X-Play is what it is. They make fun of things in what I consider to be a generally good humored way. They may rip anime today, but tommorrow it will be Star Wars geeks, Tarrantino films, the street racing craze or what have you. In other words, they make fun of pretty much everyone.

Finally, I could spew one of those "if you don't like it, don't watch it" rants, but I won't. If you want a straight review, you can find literally hundreds online. To stand out, X-Play tries to combine humor and snark with their reviews. Whether that is effective/good is a subjective question. But I don't see things changing anytime soon, despite the cries of "TechTV".

[HellCat]

When anime studios decide we need games that don't require you to know the source material, we get this:

http://g-rpg.com/

[JohnCrichton]

Well yeah. To properly understand the appeal of a game, they should at least check out a single episode or hire an anime advisor intern or employee.

I mean, they play games for a living, so it's not like taking 20 minutes out of the 40-80 hours they might put into a game would hurt at all so they've a proper perspective and understanding of the game.

Story is sometimes integral to a game. Them calling Al a "robot" was pretty irresponsible. I mean, I'm sure the game probably even explains it if they were really paying attention to the game.

Sure... rag on the mechanics of the game all you want. If they suck, call 'em on it. I've no problem with that. But to just shrug off what might be a really good story with a snort and a "it makes no sense" without even really trying is a bit wack, if your show is about reviewing video games.

[Mr.LethalWeapon]

X-Play is BY FAR the best show on G4 (though that's saying very little in and of itself since everything else except for Icons and sometimes Cinematech completely and utterly sucks infected undead cow udders), and has been arguably the best show (and easily my personal favorite) of anything on ZDTV/TechTV/G4TechTV... Agreed http://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/buttrock.gif

[Gatomon41]

First thing, that MSG:S NET review sucked with only one redeming feature. Also, if said redeming feature was used when CN Was advertising the show, it would of been less of a mess.

I thought the review was great. It made fun mostly of the cut of story, the bad game design, and of course, Kira. Overall, it was one of the better reviews I've seen in a while.

[langden alger]

the show is basically trying to be a badly written low-rent late night with conan o'brien with some game reviews thrown in...most of the time it looks like the writers are trying to audition these sketch characters or just trying to get a job on his show...

and i wholeheartedly agree with the comment about knocking they're egos down some notches...if you can get up high enough to get a clear shot that is...they really go out of they're way to knock and alienate certain fans and that's when you really go wrong with comedy...being a huge pro-wrestling fan, i'm really getting sick of the same cliche lame jokes about the tight outfits,gay looking holds,fake and a male soap-opera...got anything fresh to bring to the table?? and the joke about the death of recently deceased eddie guererro had me really steamed...(adam:'and legal dep, says i can't comment on the irony of eddie holding this urn')

not sure if it's cancelled, but i'l take judgement day over x-play anyday...the hosts are down to earth, give honest reviews, opinions and arguments(yes, tommy gets annoying alot like adam, but he's at least more genuine and balanced by victor lucas) and don't go out of they're way to hate everything and insult fans just for the sake of making lame jokes and skits...

[Gatomon41]

Some of you guys need to lighten up. This is what X-Play makes fun off, fans who take things wayyyyy too seriously.

The hosts are not naturally egotisical, evil people trying to alienate certain fandoms. It's a running joke. True, most of those jokes fail sometimes or are a bit questionable, but they mean no offense.

[Jay]

the show is basically trying to be a badly written low-rent late night with conan o'brien with some game reviews thrown in...most of the time it looks like the writers are trying to audition these sketch characters or just trying to get a job on his show...

and i wholeheartedly agree with the comment about knocking they're egos down some notches...if you can get up high enough to get a clear shot that is...they really go out of they're way to knock and alienate certain fans and that's when you really go wrong with comedy...being a huge pro-wrestling fan, i'm really getting sick of the same cliche lame jokes about the tight outfits,gay looking holds,fake and a male soap-opera...got anything fresh to bring to the table?? and the joke about the death of recently deceased eddie guererro had me really steamed...(adam:'and legal dep, says i can't comment on the irony of eddie holding this urn')

not sure if it's cancelled, but i'l take judgement day over x-play anyday...the hosts are down to earth, give honest reviews, opinions and arguments(yes, tommy gets annoying alot like adam, but he's at least more genuine and balanced by victor lucas) and don't go out of they're way to hate everything and insult fans just for the sake of making lame jokes and skits...

The eddie joke was also in bad taste and i think they know it,sometimes it seems they go out of thier way to piss off certain people if its not wrestling fans its anime fans. Im not a judgement day fan but i would rather that show had stuck around then the unwatchable xplay,At least they didnt throw bad jokes every segment. LAME WRITERS+LAME HOSTS=BAD SHOW.

[Jade_GL]

Well yeah. To properly understand the appeal of a game, they should at least check out a single episode or hire an anime advisor intern or employee.

I mean, they play games for a living, so it's not like taking 20 minutes out of the 40-80 hours they might put into a game would hurt at all so they've a proper perspective and understanding of the game.

Story is sometimes integral to a game. Them calling Al a "robot" was pretty irresponsible. I mean, I'm sure the game probably even explains it if they were really paying attention to the game.

Sure... rag on the mechanics of the game all you want. If they suck, call 'em on it. I've no problem with that. But to just shrug off what might be a really good story with a snort and a "it makes no sense" without even really trying is a bit wack, if your show is about reviewing video games.

I actually disagree. You shouldn't have to have back knowledge on a certain show or movie to understand or appreciate the game.

It's the same thing with a movie based on a book or comic, let's say. Not knowing the basics shouldn't detract from the experience. The piece should stand on its own two feet and not be dependent on having prior knowledge. Yes, it is fun to have some knowledge (especially if the creators add in easter eggs for the fandom) but that shouldn't be required by any stretch of the imagination.

I shouldn't have to have to watch an anime series to appreciate the game. The game should cross those boundaries and be its own entity. Ideally, the game should be good and, in turn, make a person want to maybe see more of the series or movie, just like watching the series or movie should be an enjoyable enough experience to make you want to play the game.

I think a game needs to be a seperate entity. It should include enough story for the uninitiated and be fun enough and good enough for someone to play that isn't obsessed with what it is based on. It's really not that hard to do, most anime has pretty simple storylines that can come across in cutscenes or text or whatever. There really is no reason to make a game be dependent upon prior knowledge.

[HellCat]

What about stuff like Enter the Matrix? There's an increasing trend of games actually serving as tied in sequels/prequels/sidestories.

[Jade_GL]

What about stuff like Enter the Matrix? There's an increasing trend of games actually serving as tied in sequels/prequels/sidestories.
That game sucked though. :)

I understand that. The game, and most games of its ilk, are advertised as being a tie-in. If it is advertised as being a direct tie-in to something I don't care about, whether it's a series of books, comics, movies, or a tv program, I know to avoid it.

However, a game that's just based on a comic/movie/show should be able to stand alone as its own entity. Unless the creator comes out and says otherwise.

Case in point, Sailormoon: Another Story was a fine RPG that was based on the Sailormoon mythos. However, I would never recommend it to the uninitiated because it was so tied in to the anime, and not just one season or whatever, but at least three seasons worth of story. However, I doubt that it was marketed as being anything else than what it was when it came out in Japan. I certainly understood that it was very much a piece of the greater story.

Which is why I would never rag on someone for disliking it for being too tied into the series, especially if they weren't warned from the outset. I would understand their confusion over certain plot points, instead of yelling at them to *google it* or whatever.

Which is why I mainly stick to games that aren't really tied into anything else, besides their own internal game history. Unless I am a fan of a certain show, and then I may pick it up.

[Robin2099]

Who cares if they make fun of anime or not. The problem is more about them reviewing games on a large scale while nit picking on the smallest details. Nit picking on crap that doesn't really effect the game at all or shouldn't effect you. Then after the nit pick they will either try to give people a history lesson or refer to another game while failing to support their problem at both levels. That in and of itself is a part of reviewing anything, whether it is a videogame, movie book or whatever. XP isn't the only gaming review show or site that does things like that, every site does or has at one point or another. For example, If you think Hayden Chrstiansens acting stinks but like everything else about Revenge of the Sith, then you have every right to mention it in a review, that's not nit picking on small details that don't effect you, that's just pointing out something that needs work.

[Nin-Nin69]

That in and of itself is a part of reviewing anything, whether it is a videogame, movie book or whatever. XP isn't the only gaming review show or site that does things like that, every site does or has at one point or another. For example, If you think Hayden Chrstiansens acting stinks but like everything else about Revenge of the Sith, then you have every right to mention it in a review, that's not nit picking on small details that don't effect you, that's just pointing out something that needs work.
When I read a review for a game, I expect people to point out a bunch of positive feedback and eventually find something bad. And by bad I mean something that the developers did wrong to punish the gamer. One example would be "Oh in level 7 you can't get past this door unless you somehow grabbed the key in level 5." or "Your character levels up extremely slow and the game is far ahead of you which makes every battle a one hit kill for your party."

Yet I'm hearing these stupid nit picks that have nothing to do with the outcome or effecting the actual game themselves. I've never heard anyone on a professional level say this outside of bad reviews online or people in a store who have never had a real grasp of the game. Such comments are scaled out to "OMG this character is not 100% realistic and we have to make fun of any apperal they have while making it effect the total score of the game." or "Hey this game is lightly based off of history and it's not 100% correct. Now let us explain to you something we found off a Google search which isn't right and forget the fact that people want a game, not a text book."

When you punish the gamer, you're doing something that the gamer can't get by or has no real control over. When you're making a game you want your players to have a challenge, but you can't purposly beat them. That ruins the entire factor of any game. When I read reviews done by real gamers that play the games or hear them word of mouth, they can at least convince me enough about the general feedback for a popular or underdog title. Crying over "the crowd in the background (which isn't supose to drive attention away from the players) are not very active and should look louder than the players themselves." is childish.

In fact I'm going to list for everyone the guidelines I go by when reviewing a game or looking at a game in general.
Feedback
Grounding the Player
The Moment-to-Moment Experience
Verbs
Hazards
Immersion
Writing
Remove Impediments
Disc Swapping
Load Times
Game Interpretations
Saving the Game
Housekeeping
Bugs
Interface Design
The Start-Up Screen
Customizable controls
Musical Score
Cheat Codes
Tutorial or Practice Mode
Structure and Progression
Taking Care of the Player
Dead Man Walking
Protect the Newbie
Play It Again, Sam
Give the Player the Information They Need
Reduce Player Paranoia
Offer Levels of Difficulty Some games don't offer all of these features, some offer more than what's called for. Yet this is the modern day initial process of creating a sucessful game. I'm not saying all games should fit these descriptions and be extremely picky, but try and layout any game in this fashion. You'd be surprised how indepth a game can get when you look over something as old as Bionic Comando to something new like Kingdom Hearts.

If people like Adam and that Viking want to find things outside of these catergories to complain about, then they shouldn't boast about being gamers. That's the behavior of extremely nit picky people who want everything their way or nothing will work. Screw them. That's not how life works. Using Chuck Norris jokes or making sexual comments everytime you play SSB:M (happened with some people I use to live with :shrug: ) won't change process and dedication put into the gaming community.

[Zyzzybalubah]

Let me just say, at one point I loved X-Play. It was on it's Tech TV/G4 Tech TV days (never got to see Extended Play.) The skits were few and not TOO corny. The hosts have always been/always will be corny, but at least there was some control. Later when G4tv returned, then it got annoying. I could have cared less about the anime jokes, but then they started to bash everything. Morgan bashed Wallace and Grommit's style of humor.... Okay, so you're going to make fun of the humor of a popular and very successful cartoon while the humor of your own show is at highest D-grade? That's real sad. The humor on both X-Play and Attack of the Show, are excrutiatingly, painfully unfunny. Drunk Link? Ratty? The X-play Boards Musical? Wow, none of those are funny AT ALL. I swear the humor of these jokes makes Nick at Nite's show where the parents prank kids look like The Big Labowski.

After the increase of skits, less reviews, and the very annoying humor were changed to the show, I actually started liking Judgment Day more(!) Let's not forget how Sarah Lane on AOTS went from a cute, smart girl from the Screen Savers to an annoying, unfunny, lame ditz because they try to force her to be more like Kevin "Danny Tanner" P.

I held on the longest time to defending G4, I can't do it anymore though... I hope they get bought out or the station goes bankrupt. They don't care about gamers and their intentions on what they have planned for the channel are very lame.

edit: Oops, I called Ratty, "Squirelly" from ATHF. I love Squirelly. :)

[krazymed]

This is what I feared for when the merger took place. X-Play on Tech TV was meant for anyone who likes to play games. X-Play on G4 is a grade school primer in being a smartass.

[BigLouMan20]

Just saw the SmackDown review on G4 on demand and I thought the WWE took Eddie's death in a bad this is far worse:mad: . I like to hear Adam and Morgen say that stuff about wrestling in front of the superstars. Thank goodness they are putting Judgement Day episodes. :)

[wonderfly]

I heard a while back that X-Play was getting cancelled...is that true?

[Ickis]

I may not be an anime fan but I feel your pain,I wish G4 would just go off the air for good as there is NEVER anything on it anymore.My friend Flaming Mustang gave up on that show a looooong time ago when they said they didn't like Kingdom Hearts.X-play was probably good when TechTV owned it but now G4 owns and ruined it.It seems G4 has these goals:

1.Get viewers by showing bare naked woman.
2.Make Anime fans mad.
3.Make money off of advertising.


A greedy perverted guy + Idiotic guy = G4.

[Sr.Infierno]

I may not be an anime fan but I feel your pain,I wish G4 would just go off the air for good as there is NEVER anything on it anymore.My friend Flaming Mustang gave up on that show a looooong time ago when they said they didn't like Kingdom Hearts.X-play was probably good when TechTV owned it but now G4 owns and ruined it.It seems G4 has these goals:

1.Get viewers by showing bare naked woman.
2.Make Anime fans mad.
3.Make money off of advertising.


A greedy perverted guy + Idiotic guy = G4.

They both liked Kingdom Hearts, in fact it's one of the few RPGs Adam liked. They're always saying how excited they are about the sequel

[JohnCrichton]

I actually disagree. You shouldn't have to have back knowledge on a certain show or movie to understand or appreciate the game.

It's the same thing with a movie based on a book or comic, let's say. Not knowing the basics shouldn't detract from the experience. The piece should stand on its own two feet and not be dependent on having prior knowledge. Yes, it is fun to have some knowledge (especially if the creators add in easter eggs for the fandom) but that shouldn't be required by any stretch of the imagination.

I shouldn't have to have to watch an anime series to appreciate the game. The game should cross those boundaries and be its own entity. Ideally, the game should be good and, in turn, make a person want to maybe see more of the series or movie, just like watching the series or movie should be an enjoyable enough experience to make you want to play the game.

I think a game needs to be a seperate entity. It should include enough story for the uninitiated and be fun enough and good enough for someone to play that isn't obsessed with what it is based on. It's really not that hard to do, most anime has pretty simple storylines that can come across in cutscenes or text or whatever. There really is no reason to make a game be dependent upon prior knowledge.

For the record I wasn't saying one should have to see an anime or read the comic book to understand the game. I'm saying, in order to properly review it, you should do some research to properly know where the property is coming from.

Again, not knowing that Ed wasn't a robot means they didn't even bother to watch the cutscenes even.

I'm not saying the game was any good. I don't know and yeah, I'm aware most anime games do suck, but it'd be nice if they understood where the games were coming from.

I mean, when they do an Incredible Hulk or Spidey review they don't refer to 'em as "Uhh.. some guy who turns into an Orgre when he gets angry and some kid who dresses in pajamas and can jump really high for some reason."

[Ickis]

They both liked Kingdom Hearts, in fact it's one of the few RPGs Adam liked. They're always saying how excited they are about the sequel I knew when he told me that it wasn't true! He always tells me about some Colasual or whatever bot he made in Robot arena 2 that got erased and he never showed me any pics nor told where to get the parts,so he's obviusly making up stuff,How could he make a bot as good as he says if the one he made at my house was so bad?! My middle weight took it out!

[Spike Mcdougal]

Just saw the SmackDown review on G4 on demand and I thought the WWE took Eddie's death in a bad this is far worse:mad: . I like to hear Adam and Morgen say that stuff about wrestling in front of the superstars. Thank goodness they are putting Judgement Day episodes. :)

While that was uncalled for period at least it's not as harsh as the stuff they've been saying on Smackdown however since they always make some kind of gay joke when they review a wrestling game I'm not suprised

[Zyzzybalubah]

I mean, when they do an Incredible Hulk or Spidey review they don't refer to 'em as "Uhh.. some guy who turns into an Orgre when he gets angry and some kid who dresses in pajamas and can jump really high for some reason."

That reminds me, if I ever meet that Stan Lee impersonator that appears during those reviews. I'll try to remind myself to kick him in the nuts.

[atf487]

I hate x-play because of their freakin' delivery of their jokes. I want to punch adam/morgan in the face. They sound like idiots!

The show lost it's cred when it became x-play. Adam by himself was fine, and almost likeable.

[Juu-kuchi]

For some reason I still enjoy watching X-play. I do believe though that their inserted jokes within previews and reviews can be rather vexing. But still I have found myself still interested in what they have to say.

[RAINMAN]

Oh no.

Someone making fun of anime.

Whatever will we do.

Noooooooes.


Anime fans really need to chill out. I odn`t know what makes them think animes cannot be made fun of? Thye hated Megas XRL whenever it spoof animes. That much likeness into something is just scary. :eek:

[Sr.Infierno]

I hate x-play because of their freakin' delivery of their jokes. I want to punch adam/morgan in the face. They sound like idiots!

The show lost it's cred when it became x-play. Adam by himself was fine, and almost likeable.

Yeah, whatever happened to Adam's laid-back, down-to-earth attitude from
Extended Play? I still like the show, but it's like he's a completely different person

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[Nin-Nin69]

That reminds me, if I ever meet that Stan Lee impersonator that appears during those reviews. I'll try to remind myself to kick him in the nuts.

And by the time I meet Adam, I'll flash my degree in his face and then kick him in the nuts.

[Vermunium]

Hey, I was angry when they just put out a Vendetta on Mega Man during one of their shows, but come on, we all still watch it just to see what they'll say next.

[Nin-Nin69]

Hey, I was angry when they just put out a Vendetta on Mega Man during one of their shows, but come on, we all still watch it just to see what they'll say next.

And it rounds out to a group of dry jokes, a bad impersonation by an intern, and false info on the games.

[Juu-kuchi]

false info on the games. False info? Like what?

[Nin-Nin69]

Background history about the game. Facts about the development. Basic knowledge about how powerful games can be on certain consoles. Understanding who the developer's target auidence is. Even pronouncing some of the names wrong.

Not all of the time, but every now and then I'll catch them ad-lib one of these as if they were a golden God.

Adam -"Digimon 4 was not the ideal game designed for the hardcore gamer as they intended."
Me -"Of course not, stupid. It's for kids. Do a freaken background check next time, champ."

[Curt]

They just gave Naruto: Clash of Ninja a 2/5...

Now.. I can understand when a crappy anime game gets a crappy score... but when a GOOD anime game gets a crappy score(hell, a while back, Adam said that it was a good game), you really know something's up.

[Jay]

Both adam and are full of crap they admitted on that naruto review that they dont know the backgrounds of the games and probably got a producer to research naruto. Why did they throw in the naruto jokes at the end saying are they suppose to believe that naruto is a ninja because he wears a orange jumpsuit another example of their stupidity.

[Duke]

They just gave Naruto: Clash of Ninja a 2/5...

Now.. I can understand when a crappy anime game gets a crappy score... but when a GOOD anime game gets a crappy score(hell, a while back, Adam said that it was a good game), you really know something's up.
I'd give the game a 2/5 just for having so few characters.

I did like the gangsters that are Yu-Gi-Oh! masters in the GX review though.

Also, they gave MMX: Maverick Hunters for the PSP a 4 out of 5.

[peacebyanymeans]

Well, this time for the Naruto review, they we're really biasing the game on it's story, but more on the fact that it really is a crappy fighting game. 2/5 is a reasonable score.

[Nin-Nin69]

They just gave Naruto: Clash of Ninja a 2/5...

Now.. I can understand when a crappy anime game gets a crappy score... but when a GOOD anime game gets a crappy score(hell, a while back, Adam said that it was a good game), you really know something's up.

Thats the most accurate one thus far. The game lacks a few characters from the Japanese version, horrible dubed VA's, oh and it doesn't hold a torch to the PS2 Nartuo game.

[JohnCrichton]

I have to say I like X-Play. And I think of late they've scaled back a bit on their jokes per review. That got a little obnoxious, but still... I tend to trust their word and how they put together reviews usually is one of the best ways I get a look into a video game.

That they gave MMX:MH a 4 out of 5 doesn't mean they have a terrible vendetta, but they're right... they do have a lot of Mega Man games come across their desk and not many of them are overly remarkable.

[Duke]

I just watched the video of their Naruto review. Except for their mispronounciation of the title character (especially when they play a video of the game saying it correctly right afterwards), that was an awesome review. Really, I have 0 complaints about their review. Their main problem was that it was too plain, which everybody says is one of the main problems that gets fixed on future versions. I loved how they told the origin.

[Juu-kuchi]

I loved how they told the origin. I'd like to think they did that just to stick it to the complaining anime fans. "Ha! Gripe on this! We've did our homework on Naruto and know what the series is about!"