Overrated X-Men Evo Character

[Shantosh9500]

Which X-Man in evo do you think is so overused? I say its Rogue. I feel that she was used too much in the series.

[Spider-Man]

I wouldn't say any of these characters are over-rated but maybe a couple were overused. They did focus a bit too much on Rogue towards the end but I wouldn't call her overrated. How they used her character did make sense toward the finale. Being overrated and overused are too different things I think. I find a character like Rogue was overused a bit in the series but I find Gambit overrated because he's one of the most useless X-Men in creation.

[Stu]

I wouldn't say any of these characters are over-rated but maybe a couple were overused.
I'd agree with that. It seems that Rogue would often be the one to solve the situation by absorbing someone's powers/memories. It did become a little too much at some points. I remember being disspointed when it was Rogue who stopped Apocalypse.

On with the subject though, I simply can't stand Nightcrawler. His voice, his dialouge, his attitude, it simply annoyed the hell out of me in this show. I couldn't help but cringe at most of his apperances. I was always thankful when he wasn't used. I'll stop before a full rant comes on.

[Shantosh9500]

Sorry i was meant to say overused. I'll change that right away.

[Sandoz]

I'll say Gambit was the most overrated character on Evo, despite him having few notable appearances. Gambit and his terrible relationship with Rogue made the corners of the 'net dedicated to the Evo fandom virtually uninhabitable. I still cringe at the sight of "Romy". :shrug:

I don't think Rogue was overused. She came close, but I think the writers handled her the right way. They really explored the ultimate potential of her power, as opposed to the comics which relied heavily on the powers she stole from Ms. Marvel. Using Leech's powers to defeat Apocalypse may have been a little too obvious, but I liked the fact that characters chose the most viable, practical solution to the problem instead of coming up with an unnecessarily contrived "super heroic" plan.

Nightcrawler mellowed out as the series progressed, but I didn't like his initial "cool dude" personality. His legion of cooing, super-defensive fangirls were annoying, and there was something about the way he acted like a kicked puppy whenever something bad happened to him that I didn't like.

[Beastbot X]

Wolverine I think was the most overused when compared to the other grown-up Mutant characters. Storm had one episode focusing on her, Beast had one-and-a-half (don't know if I count his introductory episode as really focusing on HIM), and Wolvie had at least one each season. Granted, that wasn't as much as the main characters like Cyclops and Rogue, but they were supposed to be the main characters. He wasn't.

[Spider-Man]

Granted, that wasn't as much as the main characters like Cyclops and Rogue, but they were supposed to be the main characters. He wasn't.
I'm not sure about that. I'm pretty sure he was considered a major main character. I got the idea that he was one of the main characters even if he was just a teacher. Besides I still think he's a great character and I felt that X-Men: Evolution actually held back quite a bit when doing episodes about his character. There are some stories about Wolverine that have to be told and I think the show handled it admirably.

[JMorgan]

I'll go with Jean Grey on this one, not that she was especially 'overused' that I remember so much as she was probably the main female protagonist (even if Rogue was always around as well) and I have never, ever especially liked her in any X-Men universe. I always preferred Rogue and especially Storm, and even Shadowcat in the Evo series. And I don't mind Rogue being highly used in Evo, as she's the most attractive and most interesting of all the females in this universe, IMHO, and has a usually interesting personality.

[S.C.B]

Wolverine I think was the most overused when compared to the other grown-up Mutant characters. Storm had one episode focusing on her, Beast had one-and-a-half (don't know if I count his introductory episode as really focusing on HIM), and Wolvie had at least one each season. Granted, that wasn't as much as the main characters like Cyclops and Rogue, but they were supposed to be the main characters. He wasn't.

The Wolverine thing was an enforced thing by the higher ups, to tie in with the movie(s) - that's why they changed his costume in Season 3. He had to have at least two episodes a season, or something like that. Though I'm not sure, I read that a long time ago.

And as for Storm... I don't know, she was kind of boring anyway. I've never been particularly interested in her character. In X-Men: The Animated Series she was just downright silly, and in X-men: Evolution she had little personality outside of shouting 'Evan!' now and then.

But I suppose if she had more episodes, I probably wouldn't feel this way. Fair point.

[Shantosh9500]

Wolverine I think was the most overused when compared to the other grown-up Mutant characters. Storm had one episode focusing on her, Beast had one-and-a-half (don't know if I count his introductory episode as really focusing on HIM), and Wolvie had at least one each season. Granted, that wasn't as much as the main characters like Cyclops and Rogue, but they were supposed to be the main characters. He wasn't.

Well Wolverine is Marvel's second greatest character(which could be the reason why the new upcoming X-Men series is called "Wolverine and the X-Men"so it was right to have a Logan episode each season.

[Beastbot X]

Oh, I know WHY the Evo writers did it, but I still think he was a bit overused considering he wasn't one of the "main six" characters in the series.

[creativerealms]

Normally I would say Wolverine but he is actually not used as much in Evo as in most X-men related stories now adays. I actually liked that they did not focus too much on Wolverine. However all their attention went to Rouge.

Yes there was a Wolverine episode each season but durring the Fox series it's like they had to write him into every single episode with ether a staring role or a supporting one.

[Crossdive]

I think the most overused characters would have to be Rogue, Wolverine, and I know I'm missing someone... :sweat: Either way, both Rogue and Wolvie had too much screen time occassionally, but at least even though they had more than most of the other characters the writing still made the experiences enjnoyable 99% of the time.

I myself am not really too annoyed by anyone in the show that comes to mind. My only issue with Nightcrawler is that they NEVER ONCE went even a little bit into his Christianity, which really shaped so much of who he was and gave such meaning and depth to him as a whole. And he was a bit too typical teen for my taste, but not so much I would go screaming into the night anytime he was focused on.

Spyke was dancing on the line of annoying most of his screen time up till Xtreme Measures when he seemed to totally change and grow up. I just didn't like his style, and being such a big fan of Quicksilver (and moreso of Richard Ian Cox, who voiced him), it is hard to take the side of a newbie character with a kinda annoying aura and unfamilar voice who is the rival of one of my definate top 3 X-Evo villains (or maybe even just Evo characters, hero or villain too).

Kitty was pretty annoying at times, but not so much as she would have been if she was a Wolverine type who the turned into the air-headed "like, wow!" teen, being that she is so much more like that to begin with, it was less troublesome for me.

And though it allowed for funny interactions in Toad, Witch, and the Wardrobe, Toad's character was rather annoying at times, largely because we was sort of different from how I was used to seeing him, and after he started chasing Wanda around all the time I was not only thinking he was more annoying than ever but also disgusting.

Overall, though, I think the entire show was pretty well played out and I can't say any of the characters are particularly ANNOYING to me, because the writers did such an incredible job on the show as a whole, and even those with rough edges end up having redeeming qualities sooner or later.;) Crap, I think I am bordering off-topic! *runs back into topic*

[Beastbot X]

My only issue with Nightcrawler is that they NEVER ONCE went even a little bit into his Christianity, which really shaped so much of who he was and gave such meaning and depth to him as a whole.

I remember reading somewhere that the writers wanted to do that, but couldn't because the stupid network said no religious stuff. (Heck, they couldn't even say the word "Christmas", it had to be "Holidays"...)

[Crossdive]

That is absolutely appalling, not only are they banning the general concept, but they won't even allow use of the word Christmas, the REAL reason we even celebrate the holidays at all. That is so injust it makes me sick to my stomach.

[Obsidian]

That is absolutely appalling, not only are they banning the general concept, but they won't even allow use of the word Christmas, the REAL reason we even celebrate the holidays at all. That is so injust it makes me sick to my stomach.

I always thought it was both funny and slightly aggravating that the network got its panties in a bunch over the word "Christmas", yet had no problem showing Kitty lighting a menorah with a Star of David on it, both of which are rather screamingly obvious religious symbols. Why was one religion OK to show but not the other? :shrug:

[Mad Mod 49]

Rogue. It was always Rogue who had to save the day with her over-powered powers, even defeating Apocalypse with them! I don't mind Rogue, but the fact that she was used too often did decrease my liking for her.

[Crossdive]

I always thought it was both funny and slightly aggravating that the network got its panties in a bunch over the word "Christmas", yet had no problem showing Kitty lighting a menorah with a Star of David on it, both of which are rather screamingly obvious religious symbols. Why was one religion OK to show but not the other? :shrug:

I know, I loved that they showed that, but I still find it stupid they avoided the word Christmas and all that. It just isn't right.

I wish I could prove that untrue, Mad Mod, but that's how I felt, sadly. :P

[Apprentice]

Rogue. It was always Rogue who had to save the day with her over-powered powers, even defeating Apocalypse with them! I don't mind Rogue, but the fact that she was used too often did decrease my liking for her.

Exactly. She is a cool character, and it wans't that they focused on her too much, but she saved the day too many times when she just...well...shouldn't have done. Her defeating Apocalypse by basically tucking him in before he could get up from his little pod was ridiculous. Rogue can't defeat every villain!

[Crossdive]

exactly, I was pretty disappointed by that part.

[Mini Wolfsbane]

To add to the discussion about Religion in the show:I thought it was wierd,too,how they never got to touch on it.
What really bugged me was that I was watching an episode of Static Shock,and it looked to me that they somehow got away with more;The episode is a bit blurry,but the things that got me were how the preacher in the episode was even there,and how he talked about how people were probably of,I think it was either different churches or religions,and how it was good to see them all there.

I suppose it's similar to what happened in Evo;Evo had churches and different
religions shown,sure,but that episode of Static seemed to be more...open about it or something.Like they got to do more with it.I dunno,maybe it's just me.

I'm just annoyed because I feel it's downright stupid.Famlies have religions and many children are brought up to be religious in one way or another.
It was like I said awhile back at AI;Who are you going to deeply offend by showing this ?

Even wierder is the fact that the younger kid's cartoons have very openly talked about religion.(IE Rugrats had at least 2 episodes dealing with Judaism
(sp ?),and one with Kwanzza I think,and one holiday episode,which doesn't really count in my opinion,because about every show ever made has had a
christmas episode.I also remember that Stanley show on Disney channel
had an episode talking about the aforementioned holidays all in one episode,thus touching a bit on religion.)

All I'm trying to say is religion is a big part of life for most people,so why
do the networks have to make it so taboo ?

Okay,back on topic:
I had a long post written out a few days ago,but it got deleted.
I'll try and make it short and to the point:Why do so many people have to hate on my cutie-pie Gambit ?What did he ever do to deserve such opposition,anyway ?I know he's not Wolverine,but the character has his own
good qualities too.

And as for Rogue,I suppose I can see where people are coming from,but since
I like her,I didn't mind her getting so much spotlight.It was better then in TAS,where her and Gambit got shoved into the background after only two
seasons.

The last thing I wanted to say,was that I wish Kitty had gotten more screentime in Evo.I felt that she was a neat character and I had a lot
in common with her (and still do),but I never grew to make her a favorite character because she got lost,(again,shoved into the background),after awhile.

[Crossdive]

I know, my faith as a Christian is first in my life, nothing is or should be higher, by banning that they are basically trying to block off 95% of who I truly am and wish to be, I can't and won't approve.

yeah, I like Rogue and Gambit, but Rogue did get too much screen time, maybe if the show had gotten to run as long as it really deserved we would have had things balance out more fairly, but sadly that didn't work out.
NOTE: you say they were pushed in the background totally after S1 and 2, yet Nightcrawler was S3 as I recall, and they had a bigger piece of that episode than usual. I know there is usually an acception to a rule, such as this episode is to that opinion, but still.

I do and don't feel that way, Kitty was cool and CERTAINLY served purpose and had a very likeable side to her, but she was also a bit focused on (only mildly more than I would've preferred, though) and had characteristics about her that were a bit less appealing or likeable to me at times. So I think she had about what she should've, just speaking from my own side.

Two ones I feel really deserved more would be Wanda and especially Pietro, and in relation with them would be Magneto, Wanda and Magneto recieved a fairly large hunk of screen time and attention for a short while (mostly end of S2 and early/mid S3), but not enough and not to enough depth, Wanda is the tortured victim who ends up without her memory. And... that's it? No more followups? It felt like for as much great stuff as they did they left alot untaken for how many oppertunities they had. Pietro was REALLY discarded, even from the beginning, as every character does, he recieved his fair attention for his first appearance ep but then he instantly fell into background roles. And with mild and/or rare acceptions, that is where they pinned him. He could've recieved so much more than he did. If they spent as half of the time on these areas that they did with Rogue and Wolverine and all, we really would've gotten alot more from them on it, could've been awesome. I was hoping for more from Magneto and Pietro and Wanda in the family relationship area, not just that Magneto ditches Wanda, Wanda returns, Pietro is Magneto's new water boy, etc, etc.:p

I also would've loved to see them take on the whole Charles meets Erik bit and how Charles became crippled and all.

Overall the show did an excellent job and is by far the best X-Men show all-time IMO (minus Nightie's lack of religion).

[Spider-Man]

I agree it was weird to see an episode where the word Christmas never appeared and you'd think it'd be allowed since it showed more than just Christmas being celebrated. It's funny because just a few years ago the old X-Men cartoon and the Batman cartoon all had holiday episodes where they mentioned Christmas. Broadcast censors are really odd. I am fine that they didn't show any of Nightwing's religious upbringing. I saw that as something he grew into as he became an adult.

As for Gambit I dont see how he's charming or brings anything to the series. He's become tired and played out in the comics and X-Men: Evolution didn't explore him enough to make him interesting at all. I just always found him to be a bland and uninteresting character who was more about gimmick than personality.

[Crossdive]

I see what you mean about Gambit, he did seem more of gimmick than personality now that you mention it, but I liked him nonetheless. Maybe it is because when I was WAAAAAAY little and into X-Men before Evo even hit I was a Gambit fan. And though my fandom for him has gone down considerably, I think it influences my positive opinion of him here and elsewhere.

Yeah, Nightwing too would've been alot better with his faith, as any of these characters would be. Personally I find that a bit piece of the superhero concept, it can be such the ultimate building block and background of a hero's being who they are and doing what they do. Even the choice to continue to live and fight is alot more powerful in that light than it is in itself. I don't understand why the network cencors are SOOOO twisted.

[Mini Wolfsbane]

To Crossdive:
Ah,well,I'm no TAS expert.And when I say '2 seasons',mostly what I mean
is more like "they only had a few or not
very many seasons" until they got shoved in the background instead of
just "the first two seasons".So,my mistake.I should have been more specific.
It just always felt like they had only so many episodes that they were in,then
it seemed like the crew didn't have any use for them,so they were forgotten.



As for Gambit I dont see how he's charming or brings anything to the series. He's become tired and played out in the comics and X-Men: Evolution didn't explore him enough to make him interesting at all. I just always found him to be a bland and uninteresting character who was more about gimmick than personality.

I don't mean to sound blunt or anything,but wouldn't it be better to look at how the writer(s) are handling him in the comics before saying that he's "tired and played out" ?(I'd like to note that I'm really not trying to change your
personal opinion of the character.I know that is set in stone.I'm more trying
to merely change your perspective on how the character is handled.)

The last few arcs I have the incling that Milligan just plain does not like Gambit and either wants to anger his fans or kill the character off at some point.Examples of this include:

1.Almost as soon as he and Rogue are put back on a team again,his power
'convieniently' backfires,partly due to Rogue (still don't understand that)
and he goes blind for a few issues.This provides no plot advancement
and seems to serve no purpose.Gambit goes blind,is upset about it and is
mad at Rogue.End of story until later when Sage(?) heals him again.

2.(This is the kicker)Foxx comes around trying to take Gambit away
from Rogue.Even when everyone learns Mystique is really Foxx,Rogue
is mad at Gambit "for something he didn't even do".The story follows
along to where the X-Men somuchas want to let Mystique join,and if
memory serves,also have some issues against Gambit.The story
was obviously just all around bad writing,but still,it was a hard blow
for the character's "reputation";How fans and other characters saw him.

3.After all that,Gambit and Rogue have their short "fight",for lack of a better
term,and things seem okay after awhile.Then in the most recent issue I picked up,Milligan "chooses" to give Gambit an even smaller appearance then he's had previously.Just two panels for the whole comic.Unless of course you want to count the cover where he's a little more then a speck in
the far background whilest Wolvie and Havok get to be up front because
we know how much everyone wants to see Wolverine again for the billionth time.

Okay,I've said what I have to say.I'm not trying to come off as another rabid Gambit-fan girl,really(defensive,yes,but not like "you mus love this character because he is da best that evah was!").I'm just trying to show support for a character who has not been getting very much lately anywhere,(The comics with him basically suck,he won't be in X3,many just didn't like him in Evo,and a lot of people just don't like Gambit in general.)It seems like many just want him out of sight and out of mind,but for others,that would be like someone ripping out your heart and stomping on it. :crying:

[Sandoz]

The last few arcs I have the incling that Milligan just plain does not like Gambit and either wants to anger his fans or kill the character off at some point.Examples of this include:

1.Almost as soon as he and Rogue are put back on a team again,his power
'convieniently' backfires,partly due to Rogue (still don't understand that)
and he goes blind for a few issues.This provides no plot advancement
and seems to serve no purpose.Gambit goes blind,is upset about it and is
mad at Rogue.End of story until later when Sage(?) heals him again.
Chuck Austen wrote that, not Peter Milligan.


It seems like many just want him out of sight and out of mind,but for others,that would be like someone ripping out your heart and stomping on it. :crying:
Then those people should probably not be so attached to a fictional character.

[Mini Wolfsbane]

Chuck Austen wrote that, not Peter Milligan.

Um...kay.Shows how much attention I pay to the comics I read.:sweat:
Thanks for correcting me.



Then those people should probably not be so attached to a fictional character.


I wrote that unfortunate analogy very late at night,so it didn't come
out so good,but it was better then the rant I was heading twards.
I only meant that writing off a favorite character when there's no
reason to is very unfair to those who like the character.

[Othergrunty]

If you ask me Spyke is overrated from being simply thrown in as a "original" new character.
While it worked with X-23 i think it didn't worked with him.

I think they should have simply used Marrow for him.
After simply kicking her out of the comic without an explanation i think she would have owned that.

At least they gave Berzerk a good reaparance.

[ShadowDan53]

I think that Kitty should have been used more/ they also made her kinda weak

[Wonderwall]

Wolverine and Rogue are the obvious choices. Wolverine was not the cool loner he was in the 90s version, and although he was alright and still sorta cool, what always makes me laugh was the video footage of him teaching the kids karate....that is beyond lame. Rogue always seemed to fix their problems..I wonder how they wouldve gotten passed half their missions without her. But even through all that, I think everyone got enough screentime which saying something when you have a cast as large as the X Men.

[Spider-Man]

Wolverine and Rogue are the obvious choices. Wolverine was not the cool loner he was in the 90s version, and although he was alright and still sorta cool, what always makes me laugh was the video footage of him teaching the kids karate....that is beyond lame.
I thought it was a natural step for his character. He found a place where he was accepted and slowly let his gaurd down to his friends. It'd make sense that he'd find a place to accept himself and share his wisdom and techniques especially since he has a lifetime worth ot history to share. As the world gets progressively harder for mutants as we saw in X-Men: Evolution then it makes sense for him to feel the need to protect a people he's proud to belong to.

[ifthismeansevos]

Rogue is a lil overused that's for sure, I like the end of the series and the defeat of Apocalypse even if my own ideas were different (I wait for almost a year between s3 and s4 so I make my crazy thoughs with Cable Forge's artifact etc...) but you're right if Rogue was not available what was the plan? specially for the final episode, Instead of Spyke a younger Storm could have been interesant. And the story is the same...almost.
About the religion: Yes it's so stupid, in the Xmas episode for example they could put Nightcrawler in a church without words justlike Kitty no? that could work for fans.
Gambit is not that bad, I missed him in the movies.

[Steve G]

Just to set the record straight concerning the whole religious symbols etc discussion - as I understand it, at least - KidsWB's BS&P didn't want any religious symbols period. Even the crossess from St Peter's cathedral were removed. Why? I couldn't tell you - they were just playing it safe and didn't want to include any religeous symbolism.
Why did they let us show Kitty lighting a menorah with a Star of David on it? because neither symbol is religious in nature. The Chanukiah (the Chanukkah menorah) is just part of a festival celebration and has almost no religious overtones (much like a Kwanza menorah is) and the Star of David is just a decorative symbol that represents the Jewish people and the royal house of David - and has come to represent the state of Israel. It is not religious or worshipped or prayed to in anyway - not like a cross or a crucifix is prayed to and worshipped. Frankly, I was surprised they understood this.
I'm sure these answers won't satisfy anyone, but at least you can be privy to what I had heard and understood. There may have been more to it than I had heard, but I doubt it. They tended to be pretty muddled in their decisions.

Now get back to your debate over how much you hate Spyke;)

[RAINMAN]

I agree it was weird to see an episode where the word Christmas never appeared and you'd think it'd be allowed since it showed more than just Christmas being celebrated. It's funny because just a few years ago the old X-Men cartoon and the Batman cartoon all had holiday episodes where they mentioned Christmas. Broadcast censors are really odd. I am fine that they didn't show any of Nightwing's religious upbringing. I saw that as something he grew into as he became an adult.

As for Gambit I dont see how he's charming or brings anything to the series. He's become tired and played out in the comics and X-Men: Evolution didn't explore him enough to make him interesting at all. I just always found him to be a bland and uninteresting character who was more about gimmick than personality.



Unlike the other x-men gambit is not a drama queen over his mess up life. His humor and slacker personlaty is what was missing from the xmen. I love it when he called the team the brady bunch cause they would not let him take rouge on a date whit out them playing babysitters. You need a guy walking around whit a smile on his face instead of having everyone walking around looking like the world is about to come to a end. It a crime how he ben miss used in the comics today. His characters has not ben the same sense Uncanny 350. None the less I like him better and still find him more interresting then half the members on the team.

[Spider-Man]

Now get back to your debate over how much you hate Spyke;)
I don't thinkj he's the character I dislike the most in the series becuase toward the end when he joined the Morlocks as his mutation flared up I thought he really became a better character. That hardened him pretty fast and made him pretty formidable. Plus I really liked the bone armor he was given. Besides he seemed like the character who would only come to his own like that when thrown into the situation like he was.


Unlike the other x-men gambit is not a drama queen over his mess up life. His humor and slacker personlaty is what was missing from the xmen.
I'm not a big fan of him myself but it's good that he has fans. I just don't like his character and he just doesn't seem like he has any real personality. He doesn't need to be a drama queen to be a good character just engaging and well written and he hasn't been either for quite sometime in the comics. But since this is about the cartoons all that is pretty moot. His impact in both cartoons series I thought wasn't all that impressive but I don't think he has the personality to back up what's essentially a really flamboyant character. But everyone has their own opinion and everyone should respect that.