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Rover_Wow
01-18-2006, 03:08 AM
...is their new theme tunes. Even if the incidental music is taken from a limited (and crappy) pool, its theme tunes do have that catchiness to it. Listening to the Winx, Mewmew, and Doremi themes, I note that they're pretty catchy (even if they do replace the also-very-good original themes). That catchiness also extends to at least one vocal song they use on Winx ("Mean Girls").

So, what's your two cents on this issue?

Dark Fact
01-18-2006, 09:51 AM
I don't really like any of their themes. None of them are really memorable and at times they tend to be distracting. Music should help add to the emotion and meaning to the scene, not just be there for the sake of having music in a cartoon.

Djm912
01-18-2006, 10:03 AM
The catchiness of the One Piece rap is undeniable.

MJC
01-18-2006, 10:08 AM
The catchiness of the One Piece rap is undeniable.

True, but the original theme(s) are still better.

Animeforever'04
01-18-2006, 11:30 AM
imo they done nothing right nothing

anime_guru
01-18-2006, 11:33 AM
I don't really like any of their themes. None of them are really memorable and at times they tend to be distracting. Music should help add to the emotion and meaning to the scene, not just be there for the sake of having music in a cartoon.
I must agree whole heartedly. That's the role of music, to accentuate the story that is being displayed on TV. Granted I will say it is quite common in American cartoons to have continuous music when it isn't really necessary and really kills a lot of the drama that is built up in even some shows that are "child-like"
The 4Kids music department is pretty bad IMO primarily because at times it is that same blaring rock tunes. I mean it's pretty derivative at best, now granted I don't think many pay that much attention to music but it is a pet peeve I have with it. My question is this
why does 4kids remove the japanese music (which in many cases is actually quite well) for the derivative rock that we hear in maybe mew mew and yugioh gx?
As for the one piece rap... it could be as bad as laffy taffy... :<

Duke
01-18-2006, 12:05 PM
Their BGMs almost always suck, but I do like most of their theme songs. The only Pokémon theme I didn't really like was Master Quest, and I rather liked their Sonic X and Mew Mew Power themes (oddly enough, MMP's is, I believe, the first 4Kids theme to not have the show title in it!)

Draven
01-18-2006, 12:20 PM
As for the one piece rap... it could be as bad as laffy taffy... :<

Compared to the mindless money-grabbing nonsense of "Laffy Taffy", the One Piece rap becomes a historical work of such genius that songs like "Stairyway To Heaven", "Jesus Built My Hotrod", "Smells Like Teen Spirit", and "The Legend Of Zelda Theme" suddendly seem insipid and un-inspired. The mere fact more thought was put into the beat than a 4 year old striking one key, than another on the keyboard promises it's place in the inevitable "100 Best Theme Songs" list.

And the Winx Club theme is not done by studio musicians. The song is done by the Winx voice actors, in their normal voices. For each individual character, that voice actor is doing that part. For example Lisa Ortiz. Musa's voice actor sings during "Rhythms and tunes". The Winx Club theme is also a completly mind shattering work of genius compared to "Laffy Taffy". The mere fact there is more thought put into the lyrics than three words repeated over and over promises it's place in the 40-30 range on the "100 Best Theme Songs" list.

Rose?

Dark Fact
01-18-2006, 12:24 PM
why does 4kids remove the japanese music (which in many cases is actually quite well) for the derivative rock that we hear in maybe mew mew and yugioh gx?
As for the one piece rap... it could be as bad as laffy taffy... :<
The argument by many is that the music rights are too expensive to be procured from the original japanese companies. I believe that may be right some of the time but in 4Kids case, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided they just don't "want" it. 4Kids had the means to use the original BGM's for One Piece but decided not to. If you want proof, go to http://www.toonamiarsenal.com and click on downloads, then One Piece. Scroll down to find "We Are" then click on the English version of the song. This shows that they have the original music, intended to use it, but decided to drop it.

Plus, their own score mix allows to cover up possible skips when cuts are made to the footage.

There you have it.

Sketch
01-18-2006, 12:29 PM
The one thing they do right is Ninja Turtles end of story.

Their theme songs are annoyingly catchy though. I also enjoyed their pop songs for Pokemon back when I was in Jr. High and still sotra do like some of them.

Funkmasta Zeph
01-18-2006, 02:02 PM
Anyone who has listened to the original Pokemon CD will disagree whole heartedly.

That was the most vomit inducing thing ever recorded.

Go-chin
01-18-2006, 02:22 PM
I think the topic creator and anyone who agrees is out of their right mind.

But whatever. Who am I to judge?

:sweat:

Tash
01-18-2006, 03:51 PM
Shaman King's theme song fit the series better than either of the Japanese themes. (The Japanese themes are better, but hyper J-pop doesn't really fit the series)

KuwabaraTheMan
01-18-2006, 03:54 PM
I liked Pokemon's dub intros(but they can't even touch the Japanese ones), and Sonic X and Shaman King's were catchy, and I occasionally found myself singing along.

Yu-Gi-Oh!'s dub intro had good music, but the song itself was terrible. And when I say good music, I mean, good but not "Shuffle" or "Wild Drive".

One Piece Rap sucks beyond belief.

PowerZord
01-18-2006, 04:05 PM
I must agree whole heartedly. That's the role of music, to accentuate the story that is being displayed on TV. Granted I will say it is quite common in American cartoons to have continuous music when it isn't really necessary and really kills a lot of the drama that is built up in even some shows that are "child-like"
The 4Kids music department is pretty bad IMO primarily because at times it is that same blaring rock tunes. I mean it's pretty derivative at best, now granted I don't think many pay that much attention to music but it is a pet peeve I have with it. My question is this
why does 4kids remove the japanese music (which in many cases is actually quite well) for the derivative rock that we hear in maybe mew mew and yugioh gx?
As for the one piece rap... it could be as bad as laffy taffy... :<



4kids removes it cause' it's cheaper to use your own music, than pay Royalties to other people. and In case the other people compare it to ADV or the others, It doesn't mean it's Hella-expensive, but it's just cheaper to use your music. Fast, Good, and Cheap is the Media motto most of the time.

John Pannozzi
01-18-2006, 04:09 PM
The one thing they do right is Ninja Turtles end of story.

What about (the uncut DVDs of) Ultraman Tiga?

KuwabaraTheMan
01-18-2006, 04:13 PM
4kids removes it cause' it's cheaper to use your own music, than pay Royalties to other people. and In case the other people compare it to ADV or the others, It doesn't mean it's Hella-expensive, but it's just cheaper to use your music. Fast, Good, and Cheap is the Media motto most of the time.

But we know they own the rights to the original music for Yugioh, Shaman King(uncuts), and One Piece(We Are video).

Space Chief
01-18-2006, 04:32 PM
When I first heard the OP Pirate Rap, I thought "Now, that's just a bad Martin Lawrence movie waiting to happen."

The Jigglypuff song was quite catchy, though.

RomanMack
01-18-2006, 05:14 PM
When I first heard the OP Pirate Rap, I thought "Now, that's just a bad Martin Lawrence movie waiting to happen."

The Jigglypuff song was quite catchy, though.The "Jigglypuff" song (i'm assuming you're talking about when it sings) is just a copy from the original version...

Except that instead of saying "Jigglypuff" in the lyrics, it says "Purin" it's Japanese name.

Djm912
01-18-2006, 05:17 PM
I also forgot that I'll sometimes scream "Shaaaman KIIIIIING!!!" when I hear that song.

Duke
01-18-2006, 05:35 PM
The "Jigglypuff" song (i'm assuming you're talking about when it sings) is just a copy from the original version...

Except that instead of saying "Jigglypuff" in the lyrics, it says "Purin" it's Japanese name.
Or he could be talking about "Song of Jigglypuff" from the Johto CD.

4kids removes it cause' it's cheaper to use your own music, than pay Royalties to other people. and In case the other people compare it to ADV or the others, It doesn't mean it's Hella-expensive, but it's just cheaper to use your music. Fast, Good, and Cheap is the Media motto most of the time.
Then why cut out all the free domain music out of One Piece? They don't pay royalties for those.

PowerZord
01-18-2006, 05:42 PM
Or he could be talking about "Song of Jigglypuff" from the Johto CD.


Then why cut out all the free domain music out of One Piece? They don't pay royalties for those.



Are you saying that to me to make look bad or Incorrect in my current stament with it isn't an Opinion, is a FACT? About the Public domain, I don't know, Maybe because they feel like it, they are the ones handling after all.

Wolfie~Giri
01-18-2006, 05:47 PM
The only themes I give credit to are Pokemon (when it first began all the way up to Johto Leagues.) and the karoke songs, like "Viridian city" and "Together Forever".

And although I really don't like "We Are" that much. The One Piece rap is by all means horrible. Especially when you think of the lyrics...

Yash
01-18-2006, 05:48 PM
4kids removes it cause' it's cheaper to use your own music, than pay Royalties to other people. and In case the other people compare it to ADV or the others, It doesn't mean it's Hella-expensive, but it's just cheaper to use your music. Fast, Good, and Cheap is the Media motto most of the time. But 4K!DS already owns the original soundtracks to Yu-Gi-Oh!, Shaman King, and One Piece. All three of them have some uncut episodes produced that use the original music (One Piece hasn't been released, but given the dub of We're! that was shown at conventions, one would assume it follows suit), and obviously 4K!DS can't use something they don't own.

Several tracks in the more dramatic moments of One Piece are classical, public domain pieces as well. I highly doubt cost has ever been an issue.

Are you saying that to me to make look bad or Incorrect in my current stament with it isn't an Opinion, is a FACT? About the Public domain, I don't know, Maybe because they feel like it, they are the ones handling after all. Um, why would he be? No one's attacking you or anything, just correcting you.

I'm going to give my opinion on this. The shojo themes they come up with aren't all that bad, really. But the only theme songs for their other series I've liked are Pokémon and Shaman King.

Dark Fact
01-18-2006, 05:48 PM
"Yo ho ho, he took a bite of Gum-Gum!"

The only reason to listen to that rap.

Wounded_Dragon
01-18-2006, 05:55 PM
What about (the uncut DVDs of) Ultraman Tiga?

For which we had to suffer through the idiocy of a dubbed version on television that predictably flopped (you just can't pull the kind of "adaptation that 4kids likes to do with animation on live-action)

Beefy
01-18-2006, 06:04 PM
Plus, their own score mix allows to cover up possible skips when cuts are made to the footage.

There you have it.
Bingo! Yes, it is that simple.

With all the cuts in 4Kids' shows, the original BGM would be skipping all over the place. So, instead trying to splice and move around all the origianl BGM, they just use their own music.

As for their theme songs:
The good: DoReMi, MMP, Shaman King, Kirby, Winx.
The OK: Sonic X, Sigma 6
The bad: One Piece

Yash
01-18-2006, 10:01 PM
I doubt cuts are an issue. I mean, shows like Pokémon, Sonic X, and Shaman King have very few cuts, and they still get music replacements.

Provided that you had access to both the video footage, voice track, and original instrumentals (which 4K!DS *does*) you could easily sync up the edited video with the instrumentals. Look at Viewtiful Joe's dub - it's riddled with various snippets and scene shifts, but it still retains most of its original music (and in the cases where it doesn't, they use other tracks from the soundtrack in their places, so no biggie).

Hordesman
01-18-2006, 10:36 PM
Whether or not you like 4Kids themes depends on your taste in music. I personally like J-Pop a whole lot but I can't stand rap. Or the glaring techno-ish themes that plague anime dubs. I'm an (Japanese) OP enthusiast. I think upbeat J-Pop themes work, particularly in shonen where you have heroes who are optimistic.

Freedom Fighter
01-19-2006, 01:24 AM
And the Winx Club theme is not done by studio musicians. The song is done by the Winx voice actors, in their normal voices. For each individual character, that voice actor is doing that part. For example Lisa Ortiz. Musa's voice actor sings during "Rhythms and tunes".Really? I've always noticed different voices in that part of the song, but never thought it's actually the entire main VA cast in there.

And as off-topic as it is, I'd take any 4Kids theme song over 'Laffy Taffy.' Including One Piece's (catchy no matter how inappropriate it is compared to the original), Yu-Gi-Oh GX's (decent rock theme ruined by a horrible singer), and... *shudder* Sigma Six's (making anime dubs with a rock or rap theme is one thing, but a dub with a rock/rap combination theme?). 'Laffy Taffy' is just as offensive as it is horrible to comprehend or listen to.

The background music in 4Kids' shows may be only, at best, par for the course, but 4Kids at least knows how to make catchy theme songs. For the most part.

*wishes death upon the composer of the 'Sigma 6' theme song* :mad:

Hordesman
01-19-2006, 07:57 PM
And as off-topic as it is, I'd take any 4Kids theme song over 'Laffy Taffy.' Including One Piece's (catchy no matter how inappropriate it is compared to the original), Yu-Gi-Oh GX's (decent rock theme ruined by a horrible singer), and... *shudder* Sigma Six's (making anime dubs with a rock or rap theme is one thing, but a dub with a rock/rap combination theme?). 'Laffy Taffy' is just as offensive as it is horrible to comprehend or listen to.

The thing is, you don't have to watch a dub and its lousy OP... But "laffy taffy" is one of my sister's favorite songs. It's her ringtone and on that playlist she puts on during dinner. Much harder to avoid.

Jave
01-20-2006, 06:46 AM
Even if they have to change the music because of edits, they could still use the original tracks. I remember when Looney Tunes were re-dubbed to spanish in the mid-90s, the studio in charge didn't have access to music-only tracks in many of the shorts, so they kinda took BGM from portions of the short that had no dialogue and made a "stock library" of music out of it, which they will insert as BGM in the dub. While it's not the original tracks, at least you're listening to the original Carl Stalling music, and it's something that can sound very good if done right.

Many of these dubs are available on the Golden Collection DVDs. Watch "The Great Piggy Bank Robbery" and listen closely to the scene where Daffy speaks for the first time. You'll notice a difference for sure, even though it goes with the "feel" of the cartoon.

Funkmasta Zeph
01-20-2006, 11:03 AM
The thing is, you don't have to watch a dub and its lousy OP... But "laffy taffy" is one of my sister's favorite songs. It's her ringtone and on that playlist she puts on during dinner. Much harder to avoid.

It could be worse, she could have "My Humps" or something by Simple Plan.

Bunai
01-25-2006, 04:01 AM
...is their new theme tunes. Even if the incidental music is taken from a limited (and crappy) pool, its theme tunes do have that catchiness to it. Listening to the Winx, Mewmew, and Doremi themes, I note that they're pretty catchy (even if they do replace the also-very-good original themes). That catchiness also extends to at least one vocal song they use on Winx ("Mean Girls").

So, what's your two cents on this issue?i agree. i do enjoy the music they can produce. at times a dubbed instrum theme song is better (IMO) then the original Japanese themes...especially for TMM...i really can't like the transform themes except for Lettuce. and even so the dub matches it in quality.

i like the Pokemon songs. :p and DoReMi ones are just cute.
sometimes i get sick of the reused poppy, music for Japanese anime.

Mad Mod 49
01-31-2006, 04:37 PM
The first Pokemon theme song and the first Johto theme song were the only good ones to me, every other one seemed generic and boring.

The Yu-gi-oh theme music (except for Yami's "stuttering") is awesome and suits the show well. I never really thought the Japanese theme songs for Yu-gi-oh! were anything special, with some exceptions ("Overlap" is awesome.)

The One Piece rap sucks, but everyone has to admit that the darn thing gets stuck in your head...Yohoho he took a bite of gum-gum!...Aaargh, see? :mad:

pdracox23
02-01-2006, 09:23 PM
um, we touched on all this during my topic, titled same type of dub song talk:

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=158066

Rebecca*
02-02-2006, 10:29 AM
Things 4Kids do right? A good Voice Actor pool of course, because on the most part, a majority of their characters have an appropriate, and above competant voice.

KuwabaraTheMan
02-02-2006, 10:30 AM
Things 4Kids do right? A good Voice Actor pool of course, because on the most part, a majority of their characters have an appropriate, and above competant voice.

Watched One Piece lately? Or heck, even Yugioh.

Duke
02-02-2006, 11:28 AM
Watched One Piece lately? Or heck, even Yugioh.
Eh, most of the voices are decent, but they need better direction.

KuwabaraTheMan
02-02-2006, 11:50 AM
Eh, most of the voices are decent, but they need better direction.

None of One Piece's voices with the exception of Zoro's are decent.

They range from below average(Nami, Luffy) to completely unfitting and uninspired(Arlong, Tashigi), to crap(Sanji, Usopp).

EscaflownePilot
02-02-2006, 11:59 AM
None of One Piece's voices with the exception of Zoro's are decent.

They range from below average(Nami, Luffy) to completely unfitting and uninspired(Arlong, Tashigi), to crap(Sanji, Usopp).Which still has little to do with voice acting, so much as it does the casting and the directing. Seriously, 4K!DS voice actors are all great when they aren't working for 4K!DS.

As for all the people arguing over why 4K!DS changes the music - I thought it was very well known by now, considering that Kahn has said it over and over in several interviews, that the reason they change the music is to make it more Western and American. The cost, editing, etc. has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Hordesman
02-02-2006, 12:11 PM
It could be worse, she could have "My Humps" or something by Simple Plan.

My Humps is what she has for callers to listen to before she or the answering machine picks up.

None of One Piece's voices with the exception of Zoro's are decent.

They range from below average(Nami, Luffy) to completely unfitting and uninspired(Arlong, Tashigi), to crap(Sanji, Usopp).

VA preferences, like anything else, are a matter of opinion. But I think 4K reuses way too many voices. The first time I saw the YGO dub, it was full of rehashed Poke-voices. I don't mind reusing people as long as they don't rehash voice after voice. And maybe that's a directing thing. Non-union, non-CD business doesn't help things though. Faust VIII doesn't sound like Hotohori in the originals. And it's the same actor. I suspect he pulls off a different voice for Bo^7 too, although I can't say for certain.

RomanMack
02-02-2006, 02:01 PM
None of One Piece's voices with the exception of Zoro's are decent.

They range from below average(Nami, Luffy) to completely unfitting and uninspired(Arlong, Tashigi), to crap(Sanji, Usopp). I myself don't think Nami's is that bad. And yes, I know about her "performance" in the Arlong arc.

But I do agree the voice actors need better direction.

...

Except for David Moo. He just plain out sucks.

KuwabaraTheMan
02-02-2006, 03:44 PM
Usopp's voice actor(can't remember his name) just plain out sucks too. Most of the others just don't fit their characters at all.

RomanMack
02-02-2006, 03:53 PM
Nah, I've heard Jason Griff voice other characters and while they're still not that good.... They're still nowhere as bad as his Usopp voice.

If he had used his Sonic voice with a slightly diffrent tone, I wouldn't have that much problems with it.

The biggest problem with Usopp's dub voice is that it goes way too high in octave.

Funkmasta Zeph
02-02-2006, 04:07 PM
Though I personally think Luffy's voice is much worse than Sanji's....

I have to agree that Nami has a good side.
Which contuary to the usual....is her more serious talking.

But every other time she sucks.

Hmm?

Rebecca*
02-02-2006, 05:05 PM
Watched One Piece lately? Or heck, even Yugioh.

Hence the most rather than the all. Plus as Duke said, no matter how good the voices are, it can still fall flat dependant on scripting and/or direction.

Han Ji-Eun
02-05-2006, 02:24 AM
I have to disagree with the original theme of the topic, 4Kids does NOT create good music for its shows, at least not consistantly. I will say that the Yugi-Oh theme was well done, but I can't think of any other song that wasn't poor quality.

Tonight I was at a local pizza place that has a big screen set up for customers to watch, and I of course, turned on Naruto. Once Naruto was over, I intended to watch One Piece, since I haven't been able to catch it very much. But when the One Piece rap came on (which I had completely forgotten existence of), I felt so embarrassed, knowing that everyone around me knew I was watching that, I changed the channel. And anime fans, you all understand, we are rarely embarrassed by our passion.

The One Piece rap is not catchy, and it IS as horrible as "Laffy Taffy", only the One Piece rap hasn't sold a bunch of records, so I guess that's a one-up for "Laffy Taffy". Way to go, 4Kids.

yoshirider13
02-05-2006, 07:38 AM
sometimes you'll find me singing
pokemon advanced battle
one piece
magical doremi
winx club
shaman king
mew mew power
songs. its funny singing shaman king I yell "SHAMAN KIIIIIING!!!" really loud lol.

Mad Mod 49
02-05-2006, 08:35 AM
Watched One Piece lately? Or heck, even Yugioh.

Respectively disagree with Yu-gi-oh!, most of the voices fit the characters well. There are some that suck (Marik anyone?) but some voices are better than the original Japanese ones (Pegasus anyone?)

And Nami's voice itself is a good one, as is Vivi's, the problem is that the VAs don't do as well as they could when having to play an emotional scene.

Funkmasta Zeph
02-05-2006, 11:20 AM
VIVI? Good?

Dude, she's so plastic..

RomanMack
02-05-2006, 12:51 PM
I have to disagree with the original theme of the topic, 4Kids does NOT create good music for its shows, at least not consistantly. I will say that the Yugi-Oh theme was well done, but I can't think of any other song that wasn't poor quality.

Tonight I was at a local pizza place that has a big screen set up for customers to watch, and I of course, turned on Naruto. Once Naruto was over, I intended to watch One Piece, since I haven't been able to catch it very much. But when the One Piece rap came on (which I had completely forgotten existence of), I felt so embarrassed, knowing that everyone around me knew I was watching that, I changed the channel. And anime fans, you all understand, we are rarely embarrassed by our passion.

The One Piece rap is not catchy, and it IS as horrible as "Laffy Taffy", only the One Piece rap hasn't sold a bunch of records, so I guess that's a one-up for "Laffy Taffy". Way to go, 4Kids.Catchy to some, not catchy to others, I soppose.

I myself HATE that stupid song "Laffy Taffy", and I actually think it's worse than the One Piece rap. Or at least not as catchy. Why would you be embarrased over something like that? I can understand you changing the channel because you hate the dub. That makes sence. But to be embarrased from it?

Hmm... At least I don't feel like that... But then again I really don't get embarrased unless I do something really shameful.

Mad Mod 49
02-05-2006, 02:48 PM
VIVI? Good?

Dude, she's so plastic..


I mean the sound of her voice is good. The acting is horrendous, I admit it. If she just kept that voice but actually put feeling into her dialogue, it wouldn't sound so "plastic".


Tonight I was at a local pizza place that has a big screen set up for customers to watch, and I of course, turned on Naruto. Once Naruto was over, I intended to watch One Piece, since I haven't been able to catch it very much. But when the One Piece rap came on (which I had completely forgotten existence of), I felt so embarrassed, knowing that everyone around me knew I was watching that, I changed the channel. And anime fans, you all understand, we are rarely embarrassed by our passion.


This is just me, but I can't see how watching the One Piece rap in public is embarrassing after you've just watched the "Master Gai" scene of Naruto in public.

Beat
02-05-2006, 02:55 PM
Gai is supposed to be an idiot. The One Piece rap is stupid by accident.

Tash
02-05-2006, 03:41 PM
I finally got around to tracking down the Japanese Pokemon themes, and they're worse than the dub songs. (I did like 4 and 6)

And I, for one, don't mind Sanji's voice. If he sounded less congested, it would fit.

KuwabaraTheMan
02-05-2006, 03:43 PM
I finally got around to tracking down the Japanese Pokemon themes, and they're worse than the dub songs. (I did like 4 and 6)


The ones for the original Pocket Monsters series were nothing special, that's true.

But the Advance Generation themes blow the dub themes out of the water.

And I, for one, don't mind Sanji's voice. If he sounded less congested, it would fit.
But he still sounds like a loser, regardless of the congested sound. He needs to sound tougher and more badass.

Duke
02-05-2006, 04:52 PM
Battle Frontier > all

Ready Go!, OK!, and the 80,000 Mezase Pokémon Master remixes are good too. Advance Adventure is fun, but the instrumental that's used in the show is even better.

KuwabaraTheMan
02-05-2006, 04:54 PM
Battle Frontier > all

Ready Go!, OK!, and the 80,000 Mezase Pokémon Master remixes are good too. Advance Adventure is fun, but the instrumental that's used in the show is even better.
True on all accounts.

Rival kind of... sucks though.

Duke
02-05-2006, 04:57 PM
Rival kind of... sucks though.
Rival was decent, but nothing special. Would have liked to hear a remix for the 2nd movie, though.

pdracox23
02-06-2006, 09:43 PM
Shaman King theme is good, i like it. I like ninja turtle theme if it's still the same, i havnt watched it since season 1. Yugioh has a good beat to it. I like pacing and aim for one piece theme. The original songs will not attract kids is thing the die-hard fans have to realize.

Hordesman
02-08-2006, 08:27 PM
At the end of the day, it comes down to musical tastes. I can't think of a Japanese OP/ED I didn't like. Even if it's from a show I consider to be bad.

JMorgan
02-09-2006, 01:34 PM
I hate all music, main theme or otherwise, 4kids does... except the English One Piece theme song. I love the Japanese ones, and the English one is incredibly corny, but I'll be damned if the song itself isn't extremely catchy. I get it stuck in my head every time I hear it.

YO HO HO HE TOOK A BITE OF GUM-GUM

LordTerminal
02-09-2006, 01:39 PM
I can say that all them don't seem to bother me other than Mew Mew's various inset songs. I'd rather be listening to the One Piece rap at that time. And yes while the One Piece rap IS bad, for some reason, I'm immune to it. I really wish that "Be A Pirate" song 4Kids used a year ago for their One Piece sneak peek (provided you who are reading this know what the hell I'm talking about.) were used instead. Now THAT's catchy.

Mind you, I enjoyed Kirby's theme but it's worn off on me by now. Sonic's theme however was 4Kids' take on the usual theme song that you see in pretty much all of the Hedgehog's games nowadays since SA1. They failed to get the mood right (because it sounds NOTHING like 80's music) but they nailed the catchiness factor. Unfortunately, the song is wearing out on me as well. (Still lasted longer than Kirby did.)

And the Pokemon openings lasted until 4th season. 2nd season opening still has to be my favorite though. But nowadays I can't go back to either of them simply because of family reasons. That's why I turn the TV off or hit the input button if someone comes by. I'll be damned if I let them judge me for what I watch again. (And that's why I don't bother with anything other the games as far as the franchise goes.)

Nin-Nin69
02-09-2006, 01:49 PM
I hate all music, main theme or otherwise, 4kids does... except the English One Piece theme song. I love the Japanese ones, and the English one is incredibly corny, but I'll be damned if the song itself isn't extremely catchy. I get it stuck in my head every time I hear it.

YO HO HO HE TOOK A BITE OF GUM-GUM

You love it. (http://biteofgumgum.ytmnd.com/)

JMorgan
02-10-2006, 10:44 AM
You love it. (http://biteofgumgum.ytmnd.com/)
ROFL, that's EXACTLY why I find it so catchy. I didn't let myself listen to it much on TV, but someone showed me a ytmnd with the full song, and ever since then I turn the volume up when I see it coming on Toonami :anime:

Oh, and Terminal -- I've never liked Kirby's American theme at all, just ripped from old music :X HOWEVER, I heard the Japanese intro for that show, and... I can safely say I do like the American one more, even still. Sonic's, though... Sonic X's theme in Japan (SonicDrive) just beats the pants off the English wannabe one too... however, if they'd have got Crush 40 to do the English one, I'd have loved it way more doubtlessly. (they do most the good music from the SA titles, mostly the 80's sounding stuff, but I love it).

Pokemon... All the English ones I've seen before are actually amazingly good, especially the first few of them, possibly some of the best American-made intros of any anime. They really capture the spirit of the show and have good visuals, and for being completely different from the Japanese and being custom-made they're really well-done. I do love most the Japanese intros though, and it bites that they left some of the cooler scenes from the Japanese intros out in many of the American ones... and they're shorter... but meh. Yeah, and about "hiding" what you're watching.. when I was younger, I'd turn my TV down to very, very low volume and sit right in front of it (still barely able to hear it) when watching some anime or kids' show, super-embarassed that on the insanely small off-chance that my brother might lean against my door to listen to what I'm watching as he passes my room to the bathroom, he might somehow recognize is, and for whatever reason make fun of me for it. Though any of those things happening was extremely low in chance, I was still so scared :P But nowadays I would watch Hamtaro at a good volume and not give a crap if anyone saw me--it's my room, my TV, I watch what I want.

Duke
02-10-2006, 01:01 PM
ROFL, that's EXACTLY why I find it so catchy. I didn't let myself listen to it much on TV, but someone showed me a ytmnd with the full song, and ever since then I turn the volume up when I see it coming on Toonami :anime:
There's a full version of the One Piece rap?

RomanMack
02-10-2006, 01:21 PM
There's a full version of the One Piece rap?Yeah, the one you hear on t.v.

Yash
02-10-2006, 05:00 PM
You love it. (http://biteofgumgum.ytmnd.com/)
Speaking of which, I've never actually fixed the half-assed GIF I did for that one.