The worst Toonami year ever?

[rmarti3926]

Think about it, too much DBZ, the cancellation of the original Mobile Suit Gundam, the 4:00 pm hour RIP, Kids' WB's version of Toonami, Cardcaptors, the list goes on and on.

This has to be... the worst year for Toonami ever! What the hell is going on here?!?

Personally, the only show I was looking too on Toonami these days is Outlaw Star. My only other CN Anime fix is Cowboy Bebop on Adult Swim.

What do you think?

[Sharklady]

I don't mind Cardcaptors.

[PeppeRaskell1]

Originally posted by Sharklady
I don't mind Cardcaptors.

I don't mind it, either, but I'd rather watch the original subtitled version, CardCaptor Sakura. The theme music was catchy, and there was a little omake with Kero called "Leave it to Kero," where he (she?) described something like the costumes Sakura wore in the episode that had just been shown. And Kero speaks with an Osaka dialect (the equivalent of our Southern drawl, y'all!)

Also, there's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much DBZ; I miss the 4pm
hour (badly!), and you can't exactly book a Kids' WB lineup with "Pokemon" and "Jackie Chan Adventures" and call it "Toonami."

[Calhoun07]

My vote for the wrost of Toonami has to go to the DBZ blocks. This is like the Scooby Doo of Toonami. Why do they have to air it to death? I like the other shows, you know!

[James Harvey]

This wasm without a doubt the worst year the block had. The crushing blow was losing an hour so it doesn't compete with KWN. Gimme a friggin' break. That and the ALL DBZ/DB HOURS. Ugh!

[Jowy Blight]

Yes, the DBZ hours are pretty bad, especialy it being the dubbed version. But losing a great show like Mobile Suit Gundam was the worst thing that happened, that and losing Robotech way back when.

[The Mad Hatter]

My vote goes for running DB/Z to death. Never did like that show...

[James Harvey]

Why did they overdo DBZ? Were they trying to burn out episodes, or just airing shows ad nauseum just to air them?

[Lonestarr]

When it was cut from 3 hours to 2 ("The end of the 4pm hour"). I hope to Heaven that someone got canned for that mistake.

Thank God that "Tenchi" is returning on Monday (at 5pm). And I liked the ads for "Tenchi"; it doesn't matter which aspect of the show was being played up.

[Vin]

I definitely didn't like the DB/Z Toonami block and stopped watching Toonami after that. I only occassionally watch "Batman Beyond," which is a great addition to Toonami. I'm also pretty concerned about the Kids' WB! version of Toonami. They're adding "Scooby-Doo" to it in a few weeks? Are they nuts? What does Toonami mean now? :mad:

[ccffan01]

Kids wb toonami is awful its just trying to get people to watch toonami on cartoon network.

[Naraht]

Someone really ought to edit the poll to allow for multiple choices...there are too many reasons!!

I voted for KWB Toonami, cause that's just trying to cash in on the name...

DBZ/DB is overaired...cause it gets the highest ratings. I don't like it, you don't like it...but the advertisers love it. I wish they'd cut back on the DBZ and air more DB...I liked DB..the few eps I got to see.

CCS..well, yeah the dub stunk, but if that's all ya got...

Loosing the 1st hour....
I see why the did it...
Here in the Central Time Zone (cause I'm to lazy to add hours)
I watch KWB from 2pm till 4pm, then switch over to Toonami on CN from 4pm till 6...There's no overlap and they keep viewers that way...it makes a whole lot of sense from a programing point of view.

Zoids is a sorta ok show...I like it better than a number of KWB shows...but not as much as other Toonami shows (which are no more)

I'm not sorry to see Sailor Moon go.,...but only cause they re-air the show ad nausium. Which is part of my problem with DBZ. ARG!

[Aurajen]

If only I could vote more than once...

Just about all of the choices were good reasons. But...

TOO MUCH DBZ!!!!

[James Harvey]

I think another blunder for Toonami this year is the lack of cross promotion. Granted botht he CN and KWB block have the same name...but that's it. There should be a promo at the end of the KWB block telling viewers to go to the CN Toonami block. Missed oppurtunity there.

[LightAngel]

My anger towards Toonami is torn between the incessent airings of DBZ and their cancellation of Mobile Suit Gundam. I've never liked DBZ, and it just keeps getting worse, but cancelling Mobile Suit Gundam was just the lowest thing Toonami could've done. I still don't see why they had to do it, I mean, it seemed like it was doing well.

[Elven Moon]

There's just too much DBZ. I haven't watched Toonami in months because of it. I'm just glad that Tenchi is back on.

[Joe Tully]

I voted for the all DBZ. I like DB, so I didn't vote against the mainly DB/Z option. And I've missed DB eps a lot, so I don't mind reruns of it.

[Jimmy Kustes]

My choice is that Toonami's shows are extremly edited...oh, wait, that is not a choice? :confused:

Than I guess I'll vote for the overkill of DBZ episode.

[Pulpman]

The DB/DBZ overload was bad, but it was worsened by the loss of the first hour. That killed the diversity that had been Toonami's hallmark: action, shojo, romantic comedy, martial arts, giant robots, anime, superheroes, etc. Toonami might be an "action" block, but, prior to the lost hour, it was a diverse action block.

[Hollywood53]

They should air Yu-Gi-Oh instead of Scooby, or keep X-men Evolution. They could just double run both Pokemon and Jackie Chan. And get rid of Rescue Heroes GRT.


At least KWB is airing Pokemon: The Legend begins IN COMPLETE EPISODE ORDER (except 52 and 53, 4Kids fault for holding those episodes over to season 2 and the two specials which was TV Tokyo's fault for banning the series for 4-5 months)
I hope they will air "Tentacool and Tentacruel"


One advantage KWB Toonami has over CN Toonami, they show the shows actual opening.

One advantage CN toonami has over KWB Toonami they show the ending without commercials covering half the screen and the music.

[Overkill of ASE]

Too much DBZ was pretty bad as it showed the outright cowing to the DBZheads out there, but cutting the 4PM hour was more devastating. If we still had the 4PM hour the DBZ binge wouldn't seem as bad. That is my vote.

[Coollead]

The worst part of 2k1 was the endless complaining. God, If you don't like it...DON'T WATCH IT.

[zimed]

Other is such a fun option

[Grissnap]

Definately the loss of the hour, because of reasons already stated. The DB/Z hour wouldn't seem so bad if it were only 1/3 of the Toonami broadcast instead of 1/2. I do DB/Z, but I dislike reruns with a passion... well constant reruns.

I also agree with Coollead... to many whiners.

[Mr. Obsession]

The block started at two hours so I can live with cutback from three hours to two.

Shows come and go, so line-up changes don't bother me that much. Except for the dropping of MSG, and the overdose of DBZ.

But what bothered me the most about 2001 was the Toonami was just sort of there. The TLC William's St. has given the block in the past was absent. So I chose Other to cover this.



And you left "Letdown" off the poll. ;)

[Zorakfan]

I choose KWB toonami being the bastard child of the otherwise good toonami name. It's like Final fantasy 8: (Bastard child of the Final fantasy series) Stupid, rushed, confusing, and only released to appeal to a broader audience. *cough Phantommeanace cough* Of cours, by broader audience, I mean the 12 and under, sugar-fed, I> I3 Z R 0 >< o R z! group, despite the fact they have no DBZ. Plus it's a bit too...kiddy. Ok, done ranting. Any offense you may have taken, either major or minor, is purely coincidental as anger you feel for why the sky is more of a cornflower than cerulean blue.

[EmoKark]

No Big O for your options that was Deffinitely my favorite thing of the year. So I'll click other.

[Coollead]

Fool, this is the WORST of 2001...not the BEST of 2001. Leave the stupid comments at the Ezboard.

[EmoKark]

Dammit I knew Somthing was wrong...I need to learn to read. Blah the worst thing about toonami...Probably loss of 3rd hour.

[EmoKark]

Zorakfan you hated FF8 too YAYE some one else is in the same mind thought that I am.

[Zorakfan]

Yeah, I blame it on the 'enemies level up as you do' thing. The whole fun of RPG battles are that you get stronger, become superior, and wipe out the final boss in a few rounds. FF8 strips that away, adds a bunch of teen characters with 'issues', makes it so they were all childhood friends at an orphanage, and then over-emphasize on the love story between squall and rinoa. I mean, every FF has a love story, but the other ones were good. Locke and Celes: Celes is believed a spy, Locke still loves her, Celes rejects him and everyone else, including herself, until near the end. Cloud and Aeris, no doubt one of the best love stories ever. I mean, just look at it! to a lesser extent, Monkey McZane and Dagger, and now Tidus and Yuna, course, I have to get a little farther in the story. Ok, enough of that. Sorry for going off topic. So in summary

Yes, There is too much DBZ, and I have the cure.

'Draconis Ball Zeta'*

*see post in dream toonami linup thread

[bfmusashi]

The loss of the third hour was the worst moment of Toonami 2001, as it resulted in a heavy overdose of DBZ, which even I got tired of after a while. The KWB version of Toonami was also bad, but it thankfully isn't affecting the CN Toonami as much as I feared. The only other thing I was concerned about was Toonami's presentation, which seemed to drop in quality as the year went on. This seems to be changing, however. Anyone seen those new DBZ promos?

[Sheamon]

Toonami proclaims Mobile Suit Gundam as the most groundbreaking anime of all time then cancels it with 4 episodes left. That event turned me from someone who was very optomistic about Toonami to someone who is very pessimistic about it. Nuff said.

[KingKoopa]

Aren't 2 of those options the same thing? It looks like you have 2 DBZ zone options. "The majority of Toonami belonging to the Sayians (DB/DBZ)" and "All DBZ zone (from Sept. 11th to October)". It doesn't matter to me, though, because I say the worst thing this year was the Gundam cancellation.

[EmoKark]

I agree with that cancling gundam sucked alot.

[OutlawStar]

For me, the number one worst moment was the cancellation of Mobile Suit Gundam :( However they did show the last episode on New Years Eve-il so that was cool.

But anyways, then I have to say the 2nd worst moment was the 43 episode long 5th season of DBZ. I mean ending with Vegeta's death was terrible, especially when they tell us that Majin Buu is still alive. Cell Saga had 73 episodes, and for some stupid reason Buu Saga had 43. :mad:

3rd worst thing can be summed up in 1 word: Superman. I cant stand them showing WB shows. It really gets me mad! :mad:

[Hollywood53]

If you can't stand CN Toonami showing WB shows, then I guess you won't like it when Static and Zeta come to CN in 2-3 years when they both get 50+ episodes.

[William C. Maune]

[indent]Besides the cut of the third hour the worst part of Toonami this year was the Toonami community blaming Williams St. for the problems. It is a fact that higher ups started to exert more of their influence over the block (the cut, double DBZ, etc.), it is a fact that Williams St. now has a much larger work load due to having to do Kids WB Toonami, etc., etc. The people who made Toonami so great have had control taken from them this year and they have had their resources stretched this year, yet when it isn't as good as some people think it used to be it is Williams St. that gets bashed. It was part of the Toonami community's total lack of respect for those that gave them Toonami that was the worst part of Toonami this year.

[Evil Dr. Reef]

Let's see...the festering crap-hole that is Kids WB Toonami, the cancellation of Gundam RIGHT before it ended, "Zoids" in general, Tenchi edits, Outlaw Star edits, Mobile Suit Gundam edits, 08th MS Team edits, Big O edits (even though there wern't that many) DBZ edits (even though Pioneer's been doing it for about 7 years), and...uh... oh yeah! Edits in general. If you can't tell, I don't like my anime hacked to hell.

[Dark Spider]

I put other. What I really hated about 2K1 was Lockdown. It was a huge letdown in terms of a plot. Its only focus was interactivity over the internet in which many people (including me) could not access. So if we couldn't play the game, why not watch the show. The show only told us the results from the internet game, while trying to incorporate a plot. And the ending? Wow the ship exploded with cheap graphics, best ending I've seen on that day.

They shouldv'e named the show Letdown instead of Lockdown...

[Djm912]

Toonami 2K1 was a GIGANTIC letdown. I dont' even know where to start. I personally chose the cancellation of MSG as the worst because of the simple fact that the series was never completed!

Let's not forget the all DB-DBZ zone. I haven't watched Toonami after 5:30 in almost 3 months.

The only thing I got really worthwile outta Toonami in 2001 was Deep Space Bass.

Kids WB's "pseudo" Toonami. At least I got to see the end of Cardcaptors. But that idea was a debacle from the start. Generation O and . . .the name of the other show escapes me.

[William C. Maune]

I just want to say there has still been zero proof that Mobile Suit Gundam is cancelled. Sure, a lot people were saying it was cancelled due to low ratings back when it was pulled from the schedule, but there has never been any proof of the cancellation or the low ratings. In fact, the only actual concrete news on the subject indicates ratings were not bad at all. This is from an interview with Cartoon Network found on Animenewsnetwork.com:

"So far the fans seem to like MS Gundam. The ratings have been solid and that is definitely incredible for an older show. The ratings have been steady and feedback has been positive."

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/archives/feature/adultswiminterview.php

It was put on hiatus due to September 11th just like many other episodes, series, and movies across all television networks, not just Cartoon Network. Episodes that had been temporarily banned from Cartoon Network are being allowed to air again, but unfortunately it is hard to work an entire series back into the schedule. Especially with Toonami being only 2 hours in the afternoons nowadays. Hopefully things will work out with Toonami's other contractual obligations and they can fit MSG back into the rotation soon. Until then if anyone has any actual proof that MSG is cancelled I would love to see it. Finally, if it was cancelled it would not have been a voting option for New Year's Eve-il.

[Zorakfan]

The year 2001 Sucked in general. I vote to pass a bill that states that 2001 will never ever be called the start of the new millennium.