Games that would benefit from DS/PSP Wifi

[Tak Mazé]

I've been thinking, after seeing all these cool games go online. Which games from the past would have been suited incredibly well to the more modern handhelds?
My top three would be:
Poy Poy (Playstation)
Quake (PC)
and Shining Soul II (GBA)

Of course, I could think up loads more. Which games could really use online play through wireless as a major selling point?
If you think about it, there's a great opportunity for developers here to re-release old games, yet make huge sales due to the online play breathing new life into the game. I'm amazed there haven't been more ports yet.
(Poy Poy would be PERFECT on DS)

[Tapout]

I think it's already been announced, but Nintendo's finally pulling their heads out with the Pokemon series. The next installments for the DS are supposed to be online, and I just hope it's not too little too late.

[Artimus Gigan]

Monster Hunter PSP is already showing greater promise over it's console version. The redone PSP version has better single player quests and it's much easier to have a full party and fight without lag

[Captain Harlock]

I'd like to see some specific games, or like-minded ones for handheld.

- Powerstone 1 / 2 (Dreamcast)
- General Chaos (Genesis)
- Streets of Rage (Genesis) or any side scroller.
- Eternal Champions (Genesis).
- Gauntlet (NES), maybe just a slight graphical enhancement.
- Shadowrun (SNES)

[TheMecca]

Super Smash Bros-
Oh wait, that's being worked on for Revolution. Nevermind.

[Simpler Simon]

An online Rogue Squadron installment would rock.

[Noukon]

Worms.

It's a shame the DS and PSP versions will not have internet play.

[Tak Mazé]

Worms.
It's a shame the DS and PSP versions will not have internet play.
Oh yeah! I almost forgot about Worms. They've had multiplayer over the net since Worms 2... You'd think they would put online play into the new ones :(.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Super Smash Bros-
Oh wait, that's being worked on for Revolution. Nevermind.

Yes but portable online SSB would rock so hard!

Puzzle League / Tetris Attack

Bust-A-Move

Some fighting games

Some strategy games (hey they could port WOW or something)

A good shooter

Pretty much anything that works well for multiplayer

[Zyzzybalubah]

* Any online puzzle games would be great.
* Some Mario Sports titles
* Katamari DS and Me and My Katamari (PSP) (Katamari DS better come to America)

Any and all games I'm willing to try online, as long as there isn't a fee. :)

[Nin-Nin69]

-Jump Superstars
-SNK vs Capcom Card Fighters Clash
-SSB
-Advance Wars
-Mega Man Battle Network
-Yu-Gi-Oh!
-Guardian Heroes
-PSO
-Any Capcom fighting franchise

[Agent S7]

I think it's already been announced, but Nintendo's finally pulling their heads out with the Pokemon series. The next installments for the DS are supposed to be online, and I just hope it's not too little too late.

Same here. The Wireless adapter for the GBA...kinda...sucked. No players were on. Ever. But it's good news that Pokemon's finally going MMORPG (well, maybe) on us.

Speaking of RPGs, I keep wondering if it would be possible (improbable as it is) to port Baldur's Gate (PC) to the DS. That would just kick ass in inummerable ways.

Lastly, if Pokemon isn't, we DS owners would LOVE an MMORPG right now!(Especially free.) I mean, PSP owners get Battlefront II, and what do we get? DIDLEY SQAUT!

~s7

[Noukon]

Same here. The Wireless adapter for the GBA...kinda...sucked. No players were on. Ever. But it's good news that Pokemon's finally going MMORPG (well, maybe) on us.

The GBA wireless adapter was unit-to-unit... it didn't connect to the internet.


Lastly, if Pokemon isn't, we DS owners would LOVE an MMORPG right now!(Especially free.) I mean, PSP owners get Battlefront II, and what do we get? DIDLEY SQAUT!

Battlefront II isn't an MMORPG, it's a shooter game. (The PSP version is utter crud compared to the console versions, too.)

[Juu-kuchi]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this.

Zelda Four Swords

[Artimus Gigan]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this.

Zelda Four Swords
Eh, you need 4 people for the GBA version, I still havn't gotten to play it because of this sole reason

[Eddy]

Super Smash Bros., Katamari Damacy, Pokemon, Mario sports titles, Dr. Mario, decent fighting games and shooting games and possibly Mario Party.

[Noukon]

Eh, you need 4 people for the GBA version, I still havn't gotten to play it because of this sole reason

Which is why it would be great for WiFi... easier to find people to play with.

[Artimus Gigan]

Which is why it would be great for WiFi... easier to find people to play with.
Assuming you have WiFi

[Chad Bonin]

Well, yes, that would be blatant, given the thread title. But, Nintendo's rectified that. Even if you don't have WiFi, but a good internet connection, you can just get the USB WiFi adapter.

[Artimus Gigan]

Well, yes, that would be blatant, given the thread title. But, Nintendo's rectified that. Even if you don't have WiFi, but a good internet connection, you can just get the USB WiFi adapter.
I havn't seen that in any retailer stores as of yet, I've been looking for it on a regular baisis.

[Chad Bonin]

Which is the point. Nintendo will not sell that in a retail setting, at least in the upcoming months, as it would be too confusing for Joe Schmo. "Do I need this to play WiFi games on my DS?", the consumate consumer would ask. "Yeah.", the pathetic posterchild of retail responds, not really knowing.

It's online exclusive, like Electroplankton.

[Tak Mazé]

If it's the adapter you're looking for, you can get them on eBay. There's even a third party one from Datel. I sold mine on their recently actually. I found out that a firmware upgrade to my wireless router allowed me to use my DS so I didn't need it anymore.
Crystal Chronicles is going to use Wifi right? How's it going to work? Like, an MMORPG kinda thing? I don't think the world is big enough for that, but an MMORPG would be amazing.

[GrantM]

Quick question, how does the PSP's WiFi capability work?

[Noukon]

Assuming you have WiFi

You obviously don't understand this thread.

[Artimus Gigan]

You obviously don't understand this thread.
I can't connect either machine to the internet because I have no WiFi router

The PSP cannot connect to game content using USB mode so you need a Wifi router to activate things.

and the DS needs that WiFi converter thingy


And as far as multiplayer goes, inroom matches are out of the question...because I'm pretty much the only one who owns the machines

[Chad Bonin]

Well, then, if you can't take advantage of the WiFi because you don't have a router for the PSP, and haven't bought the Nintendo adaptor yet...

Why would you post in a thread that completely deals with the concept of using wifi in games?

[Artimus Gigan]

Well, then, if you can't take advantage of the WiFi because you don't have a router for the PSP, and haven't bought the Nintendo adaptor yet...

Why would you post in a thread that completely deals with the concept of using wifi in games?
Well first off, making a feature that relies on multiple people a main feature does brings into question the single player experiance. Take for Example Phantasy Star Online or Mario party, those are fun only if you have multiple people and leaves the single player really sorta as an after thought. I mean using WiFi assumes that the overbearing majority has personal access to it, there really isn't any way to have a cencus showing that the majority of handheld users have personal acess to a Wifi device.

I mean they provide no other connectable ways, you can't link into your PC by using a standard USB cord to play games(PSP only allows the USB mode to be used for downloads) or you need to buy a specialty device that is an online exclusive and can't be bought at any major retailer(or their associated sites) except the company site, so you need to figure in the extra costs for that(especialy shipping).


And having McDonalds as a hub is pretty much just for short term, you couldn't really stay 5-10 hours there if you wanted to play with Wifi, MCdonalds has the same loud public atmosphere as those internet cafes. You can't really have any privacy while you play.

I mean PC MMORPGS work because internet connects are a dime a dozen, you have many many options on how you wish to conenct to the game. The Handheld Wifi Games do not give you alot of options

[Chad Bonin]

Well first off, making a feature that relies on multiple people a main feature does brings into question the single player experiance. Take for Example Phantasy Star Online or Mario party, those are fun only if you have multiple people and leaves the single player really sorta as an after thought. I mean using WiFi assumes that the overbearing majority has personal access to it, there really isn't any way to have a cencus showing that the majority of handheld users have personal acess to a Wifi device.
I had tons of fun on Mario Party 1 by myself... and Phantasy Star Online has "Online" in the title. Therefore, it was made for an online experience. And, although I don't have the numbers in front of me, I remember studies where 50% of people who have access to the internet are WiFi capable.


I mean they provide no other connectable ways, you can't link into your PC by using a standard USB cord to play games(PSP only allows the USB mode to be used for downloads) or you need to buy a specialty device that is an online exclusive and can't be bought at any major retailer(or their associated sites) except the company site, so you need to figure in the extra costs for that(especialy shipping).
Nintendo being confusing by releasing the WiFi Adapter in stores is a greater problem than selling it online. If you don't want to go into the full-on Wireless experience in your house, campus (which is where I get most of my online gaming done), or McDonalds, Nintendo can't help you if you won't go the minimal lengths they off.


And having McDonalds as a hub is pretty much just for short term, you couldn't really stay 5-10 hours there if you wanted to play with Wifi, MCdonalds has the same loud public atmosphere as those internet cafes. You can't really have any privacy while you play.
Well, who in the world is going to play WiFi online for multiple hours? I can see, max, one hour. I've been McDonalds for one hour at the least.

[Artimus Gigan]

I had tons of fun on Mario Party 1 by myself... and Phantasy Star Online has "Online" in the title. Therefore, it was made for an online experience. And, although I don't have the numbers in front of me, I remember studies where 50% of people who have access to the internet are WiFi capable.


Nintendo being confusing by releasing the WiFi Adapter in stores is a greater problem than selling it online. If you don't want to go into the full-on Wireless experience in your house, campus (which is where I get most of my online gaming done), or McDonalds, Nintendo can't help you if you won't go the minimal lengths they off.


Well, who in the world is going to play WiFi online for multiple hours? I can see, max, one hour. I've been McDonalds for one hour at the least.

But being that the Wifi device is sold exclusively there means you can't really get it at a sale or below for what they are charging for it. I mean they should have really included the device with the DS just like how Xbox provides you with pretty much everything baisic you need for Live. Or they could have issued a clause where you could have gotten the connector if you previously bought the DS

Also the games you can spend more than 1 hour at, like Monster Hunter which is essentialy following the rules of an MMORPG in terms of levels and items. So that's something you just don't play for an hour and turn it off.

I mean they could have allowed the machines to connect to play over your regular ISP just with the standard cables.

[Chad Bonin]

But being that the Wifi device is sold exclusively there means you can't really get it at a sale or below for what they are charging for it. I mean they should have really included the device with the DS just like how Xbox provides you with pretty much everything baisic you need for Live. Or they could have issued a clause where you could have gotten the connector if you previously bought the DS
Nintendo did something like this for Canada. With the purchase of Mario Kart DS, you got the WiFi connector free.

Canada does not have WiFi.

America has it in droves.

Nintendo does not see the need to release it to a broad audience that doesn't exist (IE, if you have a DS, you most likely have WiFi)

[sdp]

I think it's already been announced, but Nintendo's finally pulling their heads out with the Pokemon series. The next installments for the DS are supposed to be online, and I just hope it's not too little too late.

it is not going to be a full MMORPG, most likely just be able to trade and battle.
and its not too little to late either ;b

[peacebyanymeans]

and the DS needs that WiFi converter thingy

Actually, you don't, you can use a regular wireless router for the DS.

[Tak Mazé]

Indeed! I can connect to the WFC perfectly through my Netgear router, even though last time I checked the compatibility of Netgear routers was pretty terrible according to the Nintendo Wifi site. It works fine regardless. You can pick up the adapter online, but don't buy one of the cheap third party ones as they are just plain Wifi dongles with a program added to the software disc which will automatically use the settings that will work for the DS or PSP.
Nintendo should have made them available in stores really. I read something like 40% of Mario Kart DS owners have taken it online already, so imagine how many people there would be if the adapter was readily available?

[Duo]

The Best Buy store that I work had the actual Nintendo WiFi connecter. We got about 8 of them for $40 . It took about a week to sell them all

[Noukon]

I can't connect either machine to the internet because I have no WiFi router

Yeah, I got that. What I was trying to point out is that your ramblings were completely off-topic to the thread. Someone suggested that Zelda: Four Swords would be a good WiFi-enabled title, which I think is fairly adept, and you started criticizing the game because it requires four players? That makes absolutely no sense.

This is the "Games that would benefit from DS/PSP Wifi" thread, not the "Why Artimus doesn't like multiplayer games" thread.

Why do you insist on derailing these threads with obtuse, unrelated concepts?

[Artimus Gigan]

Yeah, I got that. What I was trying to point out is that your ramblings were completely off-topic to the thread. Someone suggested that Zelda: Four Swords would be a good WiFi-enabled title, which I think is fairly adept, and you started criticizing the game because it requires four players? That makes absolutely no sense.

This is the "Games that would benefit from DS/PSP Wifi" thread, not the "Why Artimus doesn't like multiplayer games" thread.

Why do you insist on derailing these threads with obtuse, unrelated concepts?
because having games over wifi implies the use of multiplayer.

[Chad Bonin]

because having games over wifi implies the use of multiplayer.
Yes. Once again, this thread is "Games that WOULD BENEFIT from DS/PSP WiFi". This thread is not "Games That SHOULD NEVER HAVE MULTIPLAYER".

Naturally, WiFi does imply multiplayer, therefore you could essentially call the thread "Games That Would Benefit From DS/PSP Multiplayer", but since both systems can only achieve that via WiFi (either close range without a router, or across the world with one)....

Either way, I hope there's some games I can continue to own "JusticeJC" in.

[Noukon]

because having games over wifi implies the use of multiplayer.

You really, really should stop posting in this thread.

[Artimus Gigan]

You really, really should stop posting in this thread.
I'm thinking in terms of having multiplayer take priority over the single player. It's not like it hasn't been done before, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicals had it be a must to defeat the later levels in a multiple party and it could not be done with just a single player.

I mean personally I'm skeptical over the long-term use and effectiveness of it for both systems. I still like the ability to have CPU controller characters to substitute for actual players if multiple characters are required. Similar to how MKDS allowed for a single player to use the battle stages.

I mean you said that's why 4swords would be good for DS, but if I still do not have a Wifi router or another way to connect to players from a long distance , then I'm still up the creek wiithout a paddle. So 4swords would not really benefit asmuch from Wifi, it would still need multiple people to playthru the game, it would benefit more from the addition of CPU players.

[Shnay]

I mean you said that's why 4swords would be good for DS, but if I still do not have a Wifi router or another way to connect to players from a long distance , then I'm still up the creek wiithout a paddle. So 4swords would not really benefit asmuch from Wifi, it would still need multiple people to playthru the game, it would benefit more from the addition of CPU players.No, this is why you wouldn't benefit from Four Swords having wifi. Is this really that difficult to grasp? Some people, who are not Artimus Gigan, have access to wifi and enjoy playing games over it. If Four Swords utilized wifi, the people who do have access to it (which I know is not you, as you have made quite clear) could have fun playing that game with people online.

This thread asked for games that would be cool to play through wifi. I think your complaints that you personally don't have access to the technology or that multiplayer games require multiple players are really derailing the discussion.

[Artimus Gigan]

No, this is why you wouldn't benefit from Four Swords having wifi. Is this really that difficult to grasp? Some people, who are not Artimus Gigan, have access to wifi and enjoy playing games over it. If Four Swords utilized wifi, the people who do have access to it (which I know is not you, as you have made quite clear) could have fun playing that game with people online.

This thread asked for games that would be cool to play through wifi. I think your complaints that you personally don't have access to the technology or that multiplayer games require multiple players are really derailing the discussion.
But that's how it started, I said I didn't get to play 4Swords due to the mulitplayer circumstances, then Noukon said that's why there should be Wifi, then my responce to that was that 4Swords would work well like that only if you has access to a wifi adaptor or station.

So I was just explaining my stance on the use of it, I mean they questioned it.

[Shnay]

But that's how it started, I said I didn't get to play 4Swords due to the mulitplayer circumstances, then Noukon said that's why there should be Wifi, then my responce to that was that 4Swords would work well like that only if you has access to a wifi adaptor or station.And the thread asks for games that would work well for those that have access or to a wifi adaptor or station. It doesn't ask whether you, personally, could play the games that would benefit from wifi.

[Artimus Gigan]

And the thread asks for games that would work well for those that have access or to a wifi adaptor or station. It doesn't ask whether you, personally, could play the games that would benefit from wifi.
Well the discussion did turn that way for a bit, I tried to offer as best an explaination as I could(maybe I jsut made it a bit too involved) so it did not make it seem that I was just initialy putting down 4Swords just cause.

[Conan-san]

Yes but portable online SSB would rock so hard! And this thing is, we already have SSB-DS, only it's called Jump SuperStars. I can't realy see changing Goku for Donkey Kong can't being that hard, they did it for Pannel De Pon and Doki Doki Panic, right?

[peacebyanymeans]

I think a good game for DS Wifi is... Starcraft.

Make a Starcraft remake with Wifi for the DS, Blizzard!

Erm... uh, yeah... also did any of you see the new Tetris DS screens? 10 Player Wifi! Or at least LAN.

http://joystiq.com/2006/01/16/new-tetris-ds-screens-show-off-10-player-battle/

[Captain Harlock]

I think a good game for DS Wifi is... Starcraft.

Make a Starcraft remake with Wifi for the DS, Blizzard!

Erm... uh, yeah... also did any of you see the new Tetris DS screens? 10 Player Wifi! Or at least LAN.

http://joystiq.com/2006/01/16/new-tetris-ds-screens-show-off-10-player-battle/
Playing against alot of multiple people at once could bring some other games to DS/PSP wifi. The biggest game I have in mind is Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine. Despite being a Tetris/Columns clone, it had some elements where you could punish the other player's gaming area. This would be crazy when playing against 9 other people and then they would all incur the penalties of having more blocks added. It would make for some pretty fast and challenging gameplay.

[peacebyanymeans]

Playing against alot of multiple people at once could bring some other games to DS/PSP wifi. The biggest game I have in mind is Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine. Despite being a Tetris/Columns clone, it had some elements where you could punish the other player's gaming area. This would be crazy when playing against 9 other people and then they would all incur the penalties of having more blocks added. It would make for some pretty fast and challenging gameplay.

I thought in Tetris, if you get 4 rows then the other players get those gray blocks on their table? Eh?

[Captain Harlock]

I thought in Tetris, if you get 4 rows then the other players get those gray blocks on their table? Eh?
Haha, I must have missed that. I haven't played multiplayer Tetris in forever. I'm glad that it's in the game then, the punishment element is great in puzzle games. I still hope more of them are made portable. Thanks for the heads up.

[Noukon]

But that's how it started, I said I didn't get to play 4Swords due to the mulitplayer circumstances, then Noukon said that's why there should be Wifi, then my responce to that was that 4Swords would work well like that only if you has access to a wifi adaptor or station.

So, what you're saying is that a WiFi game only works when you have access to WiFi.

Pardon me, but DUH.

You're trolling this thread horribly, and I don't even think you realize it.