Is 2006 the end of the DCAU?

[A.J]

It all started with BTAS. Then we got STAS, TNBA -TNSA, BB, JL, SS & finally JLU. We have no news about more JLU episodes at the time and even there are rumours about a LOSH series in the works and The Batman still airing, they both are (TB) and may be (LOSH) out of continuity with our beloved DCAU. So, do you guys think 2006 is the end for the DCAU? Is there any hope at all we may get a new series in continuity with those series and with the b.t designs? What the future is offering to the DCAU in your opinion?

TB: The Batman
LOSH: Legion of Superheroes

[peterparker05]

As they will soon be appearing on the JLU, I wouldn't be surprised of the new LOSH show is in DCAU continuity.

-peterparker05

[R-Taco]

I wouldn't mind if the Atom got his own series. :cool:

[efumf]

It all started with BTAS. Then we got STAS, TNBA -TNSA, BB, JL, SS & finally JLU.

You forgot TZP.

[neogothboy74]

You forgot TZP.

And the Gotham Girls/Lobo webisodes. ;)

[alexander knox]

If I remember correctly, there was a break in the action between BB and JL. So even if there is a cancellation we can always cross our fingers that another project may be greenlit. And theres always DTVs. I mean, Scooby Doo still gets those and how long has it been? So as Ive said before, keep you hopes up, it aint over till Amanda Waller sings!

[James]

I mean, Scooby Doo still gets those and how long has it been? So as Ive said before, keep you hopes up, it aint over till Amanda Waller sings!

Scooby Doo is a rare exception and one with a far greater children's appeal than JLU. I imagine it's somewhat cheaper to produce as well. I don't think one can make Doo comparisons.

The fact DCAU has had some many canical incarnations in itself should be enough for all fans to be happy with. Smile, hug your DVD collections and prepare to move on. There is life after marriage you know. ;)

[A.J]

You know guys, what would you think of the chances of a DC CHANNEL where they would be able to show Dc live movies, animation, news about DC comics, etc...? That way we would get the old shows and even new ones! I know I am dreaming here but that may be a way to keep the DCAU even if JLU is the last run of it using a "kids" channel...

[BlueRocketBoy]

My hope is that, when JLU does take its final bow, Timm & co. are the guys developing and producing LOSH. I think that could be a really cool show if done properly, and it wouldn't need to have many tie-ins to the past DCAU shows to fit into their continuity.

[Simpler Simon]

If I remember correctly, there was a break in the action between BB and JL. So even if there is a cancellation we can always cross our fingers that another project may be greenlit. And theres always DTVs. I mean, Scooby Doo still gets those and how long has it been? So as Ive said before, keep you hopes up, it aint over till Amanda Waller sings!

I believe Batwoman was originally supposed to be the start of that, but the idea was nixed after The Batman series was greenlit. A line of DTVs does mean the DCAU wouldn't always be in the creative control of Bruce Timm, so the quality of each production could potentially vary (though I enjoyed Batwoman and Subzero).

[Robin]

I don't think it's a bad thing for Bruce Timm's version of the DCU to end. It's had a long, healthy run and produced some really good cartoons, but it can only last for so long. And while we'd all like for it to continue forever, it would be just a matter of time until the quality started dipping, which I think was evident in the last batch of JLU episodes. I'd rather is go out on a good note then be stretched for years and years like The Simpsons and suck pretty bad. It's upsetting, but I think fans should focus on the positives instead of slipping into denial and overemphasizing the negatives.

[Kino]

Isn't this a little premature, guys? Doesn't the team have a Legion of Superheroes show in the works? Or is that just a rumor?

[BlueRocketBoy]

With the possible exception of "Chaos at the Earth's Core" -- and the unnecessary dialogue at the end of episodes reminding us that "we have a real mystery on our hands" -- I don't think Season 3 of JLU has dropped significantly in quality. No one episode thus far has blown me out of the water, but I felt essentially the same way about the handful of episodes at the beginning of JLU Season 1 -- "For the Man Who Has Everything" was really the only one out of the first five that I absolutely loved.

The creative team is still going strong, but it's natural that they don't want to create another grim story line like the Cadmus arc from last year. I believe they have a wealth of stories yet to tell, given the chance, and we'd be able to judge the show more fairly if CN would air it. There's so much untapped potential to be explored! And when JLU comes to an end, I think they'd do a knock-out job on whole new set of DC characters. (Man, I hope they take on LOSH!)

Now, that being said ... if it is time for the DCAU to say good-bye, I think Timm & co. have a lot to be proud of and the fans a lot to be grateful for.

[thanos28542]

If this is going to be JLU's last season , then I'd like to think it's no coincedence that 1 of the final episodes is featuring the LOS teaming up with Supergirl. Could be WB's way of introducing us & the non-LOSH viewers to the team & getting us pumped up to see them in their own series, which if done in the DCAU style, I will watch & hope that being able to time travel, the LOS will cross paths with members of the current JL in some cool team up adventures. I still wish & have hope that maybe somewhere down the line, we'll get a "tales of the DCAU" type series or even a "Tales of the GLC" series that would feature a different GL every episode & have them team up with a JL member every now & then. I'd take either of those 2 series over a LOSH series anytime!

[DisneyBoy]

I do agree that the JLU is probably the highest note the DCAU could go out on.

Well, I think another season, revolving around R'as the the A of 09 might be awesome, but there are so many restrictions being placed around that.

If it ends this year, on a good note, I'll be happy. It has been a very good run, no two ways about it. But if another 13 episodes of JLU can be created involving Ra's, or a DTV in-continuity, I'd be extremely thrilled.

Here's hoping Diana gets a good send-off...

[A.J]

And while we'd all like for it to continue forever, it would be just a matter of time until the quality started dipping, which I think was evident in the last batch of JLU episodes.

Wow, I cant believe you would consider that the quality of the episodes I am Legion, Shadow of the Hawk, Chaos at the Earths Core and To Anothe shore are dipping. They werent the conspiracy theories of Cadmus but they were still some of the best work Ive seen since JL.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

If I remember correctly, there was a break in the action between BB and JL. So even if there is a cancellation we can always cross our fingers that another project may be greenlit. And theres always DTVs. I mean, Scooby Doo still gets those and how long has it been? So as Ive said before, keep you hopes up, it aint over till Amanda Waller sings!


Amanda Waller is going to sing? I don't think I want to hear that. As for DCAU being over, I don't think it well ever fully come to an end. There will probably be show after show! Even right now I heard there is some series in the works! :sweat:

[SuperChicken]

From what I gather, LOSH has SOME JLU guys on it (James Tucker is producing) but is largely a new crew of people.

I assume Bt will be on to a new project - my mind shudders at what new thing he'll be tackling.... :evil:

But hey - Titans, while run by some former JL cats, was different and worked right?

LOSH might be a nice change.

However as it's on Kids WB, I assume it will skew much, much younger than what we're used to.

[John Cage]

As they will soon be appearing on the JLU, I wouldn't be surprised of the new LOSH show is in DCAU continuity.

The LoSH series won't be part of DCAU continuity.

Have a good day.
John Cage

[Toddman]

If I remember correctly, there was a break in the action between BB and JL.

Actually, the final new episode of BB was originally scheduled to air on KidsWB in September of 2001, about eight weeks before the debut of JL on CN.

When the last BB episode was dropped from the WB's programming after 9/11, it eventually premiered on CN in December '01. So technically, while the actual production of BB and JL never overlapped, their schedules did.


Toddman

[Squall]

I hope that 2007 is the end of the Timm & Co. DCAU. If JLU doesn't get at least 52 episodes, I'm going to be very frustrated...

[SilverKnight]

Even if the DCAU we know does end, it's been going almost fifteen years. I mean, my god, I wasn't even out of elementary school yet when all of this started. If it goes, we can take heart that Timm and co. have been extraordinarly lucky to have created a series of shows that have lasted over a decade. That's impressive no matter how you shake it.

If it goes, c'est la vie. Viva la DCAU, in whatever incarnation it may take.

[Grimlock]

With the possible exception of "Chaos at the Earth's Core" -- and the unnecessary dialogue at the end of episodes reminding us that "we have a real mystery on our hands" -- I don't think Season 3 of JLU has dropped significantly in quality.

I am SO glad i am not the only one who noticed this.

It really irked me that they felt the need to have characters state that obviously line at the end of at least TWO episodes.

I understand it's a kids' show, but geez, kids understand what a mystery is without main characters blurting out that fact.

[ITDEFX]

You know guys, what would you think of the chances of a DC CHANNEL where they would be able to show Dc live movies, animation, news about DC comics, etc...? That way we would get the old shows and even new ones! I know I am dreaming here but that may be a way to keep the DCAU even if JLU is the last run of it using a "kids" channel...

now see THIS is probibly the best idea I have read this year, and its only january :P

i mean everything has there own tv channel..
Food=Food network
cartoon=CN/Boomerrang
weather=weather channel :P
..you get my drift.

a DC Comics channel will allow for shows like Superboy, The Flash(ehhehe we got the dvds now but hey ) bat man movies and so on, even the revival of the old batman tv show would be neat. There is enough material to have it happen.

now will we ever see a star trek channel?

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Besides maybe some DTV's the DCAU is most likely done for and I hate to see it go but thats how it goes.

[FunTurtle]

These shows really have been going on a long time. A lot of good series get cut off after 2 or 3 seasons and never get renewed or spinoffs or anything. This series had over 8 incarnations. What other series DOES that? Once all the DVD seasons are released, I'll be happy. After all, we love these shows for all the episodes we've seen...once we own them all...that's really all you need. Just watch your DVD of Almost Got Im, Brave New Metropolis, Out of the Past, The Savage Time, Epilogue, and be happy.

[JAG]

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Originally Posted by JLSAINT
You know guys, what would you think of the chances of a DC CHANNEL where they would be able to show Dc live movies, animation, news about DC comics, etc...? That way we would get the old shows and even new ones! I know I am dreaming here but that may be a way to keep the DCAU even if JLU is the last run of it using a "kids" channel...


now see THIS is probibly the best idea I have read this year, and its only january :P


I couldn't agree more.:) Too bad it probably won't happen....*sigh*:sad:

[Toddman]

a DC Comics channel will allow for shows like Superboy, The Flash(ehhehe we got the dvds now but hey ) bat man movies and so on, even the revival of the old batman tv show would be neat. There is enough material to have it happen.


Well, I don't think there's quite enough material to support a channel that only covers DC properties, but if such a venue were to air ALL comic book related properties, no matter what the publisher, then there would be plenty of programming options and a much wider appeal.

But's its probably still too narrow of an appeal for anybody to actually try it, and the legal red tape required to secure the rights to all the movies, cartoons and TV shows that have been based on comic books would be a logistical nightmare.

But it would be cool.


Toddman


EDIT: Whoops, looks like SJJ already articulated my thoughts about the pros and cons of an All-DC/All-Comics Channel in another thread. I would say "great minds think alike", but I don't want to put down SJJ.

[James]

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EDIT: Whoops, looks like SJJ already articulated my thoughts about the pros and cons of an All-DC/All-Comics Channel in another thread. I would say "great minds think alike", but I don't want to put down SJJ.

:p That is weird. Not so much it was the same idea (it was bound to surface), but that the similarities went right down to the pros/cons. Freak-eh.

[OneManHairBand]

Well, I don't think there's quite enough material to support a channel that only covers DC properties...

Not enough DC material? I think so. Between animated series, live-action TV series, animated DTV movies, and live action movies, there is tons of material to draw from.

Animated series would include: The Adv. of Superman (Fleischer - 20 eps), The Superman/Aquaman Adventures (Filmation / '60's - 2 seasons), The Superman/Batman Hour (Filmation / '60's) Batman and Robin (Filmation / 70's - 3 seasons), SuperFriends (Hanna-Barbera - 6+ seasons), Shazam! (Filmation? 70's I think), Superman (Ruby Spears), plus the last decade of the DC Animated properties - BTAS, STAS, TNBA, BB, SS, TZP, JL/JLU, TT, The Batman, and even Krypto.

Live action DC TV Series would include: The Adventures of Superman (GReeves), Batman (if they can wrangle the rights away from 20th Cent Fox), Wonder Woman, Shazam!, Superboy (Salkind's), The Flash, Lois & Clark, Smallville, and even Birds of Prey.

Animated DTVs would mainly be the DCAU DTV's, and there's plenty floating around now, with a least a few more coming I think...

Live Action DC-Related Movies - Starting with the Kirk Alyn Superman Serials, the newly-restored Batman/Robin Serials, The Batman Movie (Adam West), the Chris Reeve Superman movies, The 80's/90's Batman movies, Swamp Thing, Constantine (it's Vertigo, but still...), From Hell (another Vertigo title), and yes, unfortunately, even Catwoman.

Just picture it... Super(man) Saturdays! Shazam Sundays! Titan Tuesdays! Wonder Wednesdays! Flash-y Fridays! Ahhhh, what a wonderful world it would be.

[Spider-Man]

There might be plenty of material but it's only be enough to last a few months tops. It would have to be repeated countless times throughout the year and that wouldn't be attractive to advertisers or even some fans.

[A.J]

There might be plenty of material but it's only be enough to last a few months tops. It would have to be repeated countless times throughout the year and that wouldn't be attractive to advertisers or even some fans.

Hehe, funny you mentioned this...The Warner Channel in Latinamerica is that exactly...runs and reruns of old shows every single month! They havent stopped airing Touched By and Angel, Freakzoid and BTAS and STAS since the channel started so many years ago!

[James]

Not enough DC material? I think so. Between animated series, live-action TV series, animated DTV movies, and live action movies, there is tons of material to draw from.

Animated series would include: The Adv. of Superman (Fleischer - 20 eps), The Superman/Aquaman Adventures (Filmation / '60's - 2 seasons), The Superman/Batman Hour (Filmation / '60's) Batman and Robin (Filmation / 70's - 3 seasons), SuperFriends (Hanna-Barbera - 6+ seasons), Shazam! (Filmation? 70's I think), Superman (Ruby Spears), plus the last decade of the DC Animated properties - BTAS, STAS, TNBA, BB, SS, TZP, JL/JLU, TT, The Batman, and even Krypto.

Live action DC TV Series would include: The Adventures of Superman (GReeves), Batman (if they can wrangle the rights away from 20th Cent Fox), Wonder Woman, Shazam!, Superboy (Salkind's), The Flash, Lois & Clark, Smallville, and even Birds of Prey.

Animated DTVs would mainly be the DCAU DTV's, and there's plenty floating around now, with a least a few more coming I think...

Live Action DC-Related Movies - Starting with the Kirk Alyn Superman Serials, the newly-restored Batman/Robin Serials, The Batman Movie (Adam West), the Chris Reeve Superman movies, The 80's/90's Batman movies, Swamp Thing, Constantine (it's Vertigo, but still...), From Hell (another Vertigo title), and yes, unfortunately, even Catwoman.

Just picture it... Super(man) Saturdays! Shazam Sundays! Titan Tuesdays! Wonder Wednesdays! Flash-y Fridays! Ahhhh, what a wonderful world it would be.

Again, most of this stuff, and I mean NO disrespect, to the average punter, is crap. Animation too old to hold even children's interest, series which brought in no more than one full season and many dead films. It's a no go commercially except to us extreme fans who live in forums like these.

You have to remember, that when series like Adam Wests are shown/sold to channels, there are certain clauses which make profit. Otherwise, you may as well sell shows non exclusively to every channel which can afford it. To buy a show for one channel becomes less if others are airing it, so if you are running a "DC channel" with all these shows, you automatically devalue them for other channels. If this channel is a low key channel with a limited demograph, it will end up showing shows no other channel wants.

Considering the cost and demographic potential of the likes of movies like "Batman", live action like "Smallville" and even current cartoons as "Teen Titans", the other shows which would end up on this DC network would be "Superfriends" and other archaic cartoons no one else wants.

It sounds overtly cruel, remember I love DC stuff, but commercially, stuff that would bring people to the "DC Channel" would make money being sold to a mainstream channel. Thus the commericial viability of such a channel ends up as negliable.

[A.J]

Again, most of this stuff, and I mean NO disrespect, to the average punter, is crap. Animation too old to hold even children's interest, series which brought in no more than one full season and many dead films. It's a no go commercially except to us extreme fans who live in forums like these.

You have to remember, that when series like Adam Wests are shown/sold to channels, there are certain clauses which make profit. Otherwise, you may as well sell shows non exclusively to every channel which can afford it. To buy a show for one channel becomes less if others are airing it, so if you are running a "DC channel" with all these shows, you automatically devalue them for other channels. If this channel is a low key channel with a limited demograph, it will end up showing shows no other channel wants.

Considering the cost and demographic potential of the likes of movies like "Batman", live action like "Smallville" and even current cartoons as "Teen Titans", the other shows which would end up on this DC network would be "Superfriends" and other archaic cartoons no one else wants.

It sounds overtly cruel, remember I love DC stuff, but commercially, stuff that would bring people to the "DC Channel" would make money being sold to a mainstream channel. Thus the commericial viability of such a channel ends up as negliable.

Oh buddie, I feel dizzy hearing you talk about all those commercial viabilities and negliage words!

I so hope 2006 isnt the end of the DCAU :sad:

[James]

Oh buddie, I feel dizzy hearing you talk about all those commercial viabilities and negliage words!

I so hope 2006 isnt the end of the DCAU :sad:

Man, so do I. I love what they've done. I've seen cartoons slowly take source more and more seriously, and JLU is the epitome of taking from source and doing it well. I HATE thinking it's done.

But I'm a realist. Short of a miracle, I've seen series come and go and there is always something else round the corner. Call me a betrayer, but live moves one. I never imagined Timm's DCAU would get past ROTJ and then it got another season, TZP, SS (in a distant cousin sort of way), JL and JLU. Oh, and Teen Titans on the side. And that was before BTAS, TNBA, STAS and all the movies, webepisodes and comics.

I'd rather a series goes out with the audience wanting more than when it's failing. DCAU is doing just that and we should both be thrilled and honoured by that situation. Not many series get a chance to to either get a wrap up or finish on a highnote. They either end too early or too late. It sounds as if the crew have had enough time to give this third season a good send off and so far have done nothing to disrespect their original show way back in the nineties.

Mate and audience, that's a GOOD situation. We have the ultimate ending to any show and we know it had to end sometime. Better it ends on a good note than a sour one.

They've done justice to DCAU and that can never be taken from the crew OR the fans.

Hold your lighters up high and be happy we end with a damn fine series. That's rare on cartoons made for toys and advertising revenue. Well done guys. If this is the end, I salute ya!

[R-Taco]

Although there would obviously be too many legal problems to make one, I've always thought about the creation of a general "Superhero Channel". Marvel, DC, Dark Horse, whatever.

Unfortunately, it can't happen.

[johnnybvo]

I do think this is the end. I can long for one more season dealing with the Near Apacolypse (I can never spell this word right) with the final battle being between Bat's and Rhas (brought the universe in, takes the universe out) - but I just don't see that happening. Adult Swim isn't viable because a lot of people who aren't of the geeky set (like us) find cartoons uncool when they aren't edgy. So it has to be of the Family Guy or Boondocks variety to get them to watch.

I honestly would be happy if the show continued in the comics if they were of the quality of Batman Adventures.

[James Harvey]

Even if this is the end of Justice League Unlimited, we should focus on the positives. The fact that the show got thirteen more episodes when the creative believed it would end with episode #26 “Epilogue.” The fact that this continuity has lasted for over ten years. The fact that, when all things considered, there’s no bigger finale series than one that involves the entire Animated DC Universe like Justice League Unlimited.

There's alot of great stuff yet to come in 2006.

[Robin]

Even if this is the end of Justice League Unlimited, we should focus on the positives. The fact that the show got thirteen more episodes when the creative believed it would end with episode #26 “Epilogue.”
I hope this forum doesn't riot! :)

The Epilogue episode always seemed like a natural end to everything, and I wish JLU ended there. The new episodes now makes the show sort of feel like it has overstayed it's welcome,s o I hope the remaining episodes are stronger. While I'm not upset the show is ending, I am upset with how Cartoon Network handled it. If the show is done, I bet Cartoon Network won't care how they air them off. They won't make a big deal, they'll just air them in a couple blocks and that's it.

[NightwingAngelo]

I hope they continue. I haven't see enough episode yet to even think of having this show cancelled.

And what else will there be to watch (other than TMNT)? The Batman? Nuh-uh! Not for me.:sad:

[A.J]

Gotta agree that there are not a lot of DCAU options out there to hope for. There is the TT DTV, TB show and...and what else to look forward? LOSH maybe?

[OneManHairBand]

Again, most of this stuff, and I mean NO disrespect, to the average punter, is crap. Animation too old to hold even children's interest, series which brought in no more than one full season and many dead films. It's a no go commercially except to us extreme fans who live in forums like these.

It sounds overtly cruel, remember I love DC stuff, but commercially, stuff that would bring people to the "DC Channel" would make money being sold to a mainstream channel. Thus the commericial viability of such a channel ends up as negliable.

I understand no disrespect was intended, and honestly I wasn't debating this as a viable option, just simply musing on a "DC" dream channel lineup.

[Toddman]

There might be plenty of material but it's only be enough to last a few months tops.

That's exactly what I meant. Any viable basic cable channel runs at the very least 18-20 hours of programming every day. That would mean that in one year there would have to be enough material for between 6,500-7,000 hours of programming.

So consider that the entire run of the DCAU would only cover about 160 hours (slightly more if you include SS and TZP), and those shows have been running for 13 years and include four movies.

The entire run of Superfriends, which also lasted for 13 years would make up about 75 hours.

And even if you stretched out the broadcast of every theatrical DC movie (Superman Vs. The Mole Men, Batman ('66), Superman, Superman II, Superman III, Superman IV, Superman Returns, Supergirl, Steel, Batman ('89), Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Batman Begins, Catwoman, Swamp Thing, Return of Swamp Thing, Constantine, and V For Vendetta... From Hell wasn't a Vertigo book) to a 3-hour programming block, that's just 54 hours of TV.

So not to be a killjoy, but you probably get my point. Really the only way to get even one year's worth of non-heavily-repeated programming on such a channel would be to open it up to all comic book properties.


Toddman

[John Cage]

That's exactly what I meant. Any viable basic cable channel runs at the very least 18-20 hours of programming every day. That would mean that in one year there would have to be enough material for between 6,500-7,000 hours of programming.

So consider that the entire run of the DCAU would only cover about 160 hours (slightly more if you include SS and TZP), and those shows have been running for 13 years and include four movies.

The entire run of Superfriends, which also lasted for 13 years would make up about 75 hours.

And even if you stretched out the broadcast of every theatrical DC movie (Superman Vs. The Mole Men, Batman ('66), Superman, Superman II, Superman III, Superman IV, Superman Returns, Supergirl, Steel, Batman ('89), Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Batman Begins, Catwoman, Swamp Thing, Return of Swamp Thing, Constantine, and V For Vendetta... From Hell wasn't a Vertigo book) to a 3-hour programming block, that's just 54 hours of TV.

So not to be a killjoy, but you probably get my point. Really the only way to get even one year's worth of non-heavily-repeated programming on such a channel would be to open it up to all comic book properties.


Toddman

A comic book network would be a great idea, and calling it a "comic" network would open it up to showing both superhero programming and films and series inspired by comics. Of course folks would complain there'd be too much superhero content, but that's par for the course of anything comic book-y.

That said, I'd love to be able to tune in an watch a block of the modern DC animated series: Batman TAS, Superman, Batman Beyond, Static Shock, Justice League, The Zeta Project, Teen Titans, and JLU.

Well, that and for there to be some sort of DCAU program or DTV set in the continuity that Batman started released next year. I'd love to be able to tell my non-comic savvy friends that the Batman the Animated Series-niverse is still going strong fifteen years later.

Have a good day.
John Cage

[Squall]

As far as TV channels go, my dream would be for there to be a Toonami channel that contains a 2 hour or 2 1/2 hour DCAU block every weekday (B:TAS/TNBA, S:TAS, JL/JLU, BB, SS, TZP) amongst other blocks on the show. As big as the DCAU has become, it still isn't big enough to get its own TV channel, and even fans would get burned out if the episodes were rerun that often. (A simliar arguement has been made to Star Trek fans hoping for a Star Trek TV channel.)


...The fact that, when all things considered, there’s no bigger finale series than one that involves the entire Animated DC Universe like Justice League Unlimited...

Well, not the entire DCAU *cough* Batman embargo *cough* :sweat: ...

I figured that JLU would end at 52 episodes, but not sooner. And I honestly didn't expect more episodes after that. I was hoping for one more 26 episode arc that lead up to the ultimate hero vs. villian throwdown, a huge four parter to end JLU (and the DCAU) with. Oh, and I also wanted to have four nice, symmetric 26 episode JL/JLU DVD box sets to put on my shelf. :)

But I guess that's not gonna happen now.

[James]

Well, not the entire DCAU *cough* Batman embargo *cough* :sweat: ...


Well as entire as it can get with fair appreciation to all the backgrounds to the main group. I think the ethos is there and considering the final episode of last season was virtually TOTALLY Batman, I don't think we can split hairs on the fact that Batman's full menagerie of heroes and villains won't be represented in a show which is about the DC universe as a whole! This is JLU afterall and not SSFPBC (Support Stage For Past Batman Characters). ;)

Evil flippancy aside, what one can argue, as a positive comment on this year, is that the DCAU WILL be virtually all represented in 2006 because The Batman is still going. It is a DCAU, Batman and his city is represented for Batman fans, and JLU and it's central characters are hosted for DC fans. Let's not forget TT will still be around in shape and form, so I think when JLU goes out, it will go out at a time when DC fans are getting more DC characters on their TV screens than EVER before!

Not a bad time to exit!

[Casey Mack]

If it all ends this year it should end like this


Superman is about to leave for space [ala Superman returns plot]. So he is decides to bid farwell to all his super friends and allies. He starts flying around the world, going to see every super hero he has ever known and worked with. They show scenes of various superheroes, and supes waiving goodbye to all of them. Then he finally after numerous goodbyes , he makes his way to GLs and Shayeras long awaited wedding. Many other heroes gather their as well, and Flash is the best man. Martian manhunter even returns and is the one marrying GL andShayera. Its all like the funeral scene in "Hereafter", but this time its a happy wedding.

Superman does not come down however, but watches from above. The others see him and beg for him to come down, but he declines. Manhunter finally marries the couple and all the heores cheer. John and Shayera kiss and head out the chapel. They get rice thrown at them, and flash has a present for GL and Shayera. Its the old Flash mobile but it now says, "Hawk mobile" the couple happily excepts it. Before they board the van Shayera does the human custom and throws her flowers behind her. They are caught by Linda parker and then she smiles at Flash.


Superman then remebers something, and then flys off. He turns back into Clark kent and then finds Lois lane at the wedding. A surprised Lois ask "where you been Smallville" Clark then takes off his glasses and fixes his hair. Shortly after we skip back to GL and Shayera who drive off in their new "Van".

The final scene has Superman flying in the sky, and behind him is dozens of other heroes. Many of them being flown by others, and some in Javelins. Batman then flys up next to Superman in his Batplane, and then shockinly gives supes a thumbs up. Superman returns the gesture and continues flying upwards. Supes then flys up next to his one man space ship, and then turns back to face the gathered heroes. In his final words Superman says, "The world doesn't need 1 superman anymore, It now has many." He boards his ship and flys off into deep space.

The heroes waive him off..........

[BoyScout]

kind of a cheesy ending don't ya think.

I don't think JLU should have a conclusive ending. Because then its not left open for other DTV etc etc.
Seeing Shayera and GL get married is pretty cheesy. Instead just do something subtle. Like get GL to give her and engagement or promise ring or something...and maybe Shayera can make a crack at John
"Is their room on that hand for one more ring"
And maybe Superman revealing to lois he is Superman (if she doesn't already know)

If anything the last episode should just be about the league continuing the fight. Snipets of each leaguer at their best.


as for the future of JLU. I heard there doing a DTV about the JLA2 (the evil JLU) the Justice Lords weren't evil, just misguided. The JLA2 are just plain evil. Like if the JLU superheores were the Supervillians.
And I do hope they do make that Apocolypse of 09 with Ra. Then would be an epic.

BoyScout out

[DisneyBoy]

Yup...kinda cheesy there. But I'm all up for a Clark and Lois wedding...

[Paul_Cousins]

The LoSH series won't be part of DCAU continuity.So was Batman Beyond not 'officially' part of the DCAU timeline until JLU "Epilogue". ;)

LOSH is set a 1000 years in the future, that's a lot of room to work with while staying with the DCAU timeline.

Anyway, I don't think DCAU will actually end anytime soon considering that comic storylines of the JLU and TT, along with the rest of Season 3 of JLU that has yet to air on Cartoon Network.

[Casey Mack]

kind of a cheesy ending don't ya think.
BoyScout out

lol^ well isn't that what this season is about, more campy episodes. the entire rest of the season is gonna have stuff like that.

[BoyScout]

lol^ well isn't that what this season is about, more campy episodes. the entire rest of the season is gonna have stuff like that.
sorry if I insulted you or anything...
but yeah

chessy is ok...but too much cheese is bad for you.
hehehe

[Spider-Man]

Did anyone read this week's All the Rage rumor column? They had a big section on JLU and said:

World Without A Justice League

For a while now, rumors have been swirling (http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/112174646871839.htm) that the current season of Justice League Unlimited would be the last. However, a post made earlier this week (http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=16767) strongly suggests that the end is near. While the author of the post has remained anonymous, several sources have privately confirmed that JLU is shutting down production and the show’s staff has shrunk to a skeleton crew. Cartoon Network’s official position is that the show’s future is “undecided”, but many suspect that it won’t announce the cancellation until after the final episodes air later this year, if they even decide to announce it at all. Further, it is still heavily rumored that Bruce Timm will be leaving Warner Brothers Animation following the completion of the current season. It’s unclear if Dwayne McDuffie will also be leaving or if he will stay on. Some of the JLU staff members are said to have already been shifted over to the new Legion of Superheroes cartoon. With that in mind, the future of JLU looks pretty bleak at the moment. If Cartoon Network were to order more episodes, there’s no guarantee that the same creative team would be brought back together.

A letter writing campaign has already been started (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=156714) to help save the show, but it looks to be an uphill battle. Given the way Cartoon Network canceled Teen Titans, it’s hard to hold out much hope here. I’m told that the JLU creators considered the current season a major boon from CN, and arranged the final episodes to be a proper finale for the series. If this really is the end of the Dini/Timm era, at least they will have the chance to go out in style.

More All The Rage rumor info can be found at Silver Bullet Comic Books (http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/index1.htm).

[A.J]

Did anyone read this week's All the Rage rumor column? They had a big section on JLU and said:

World Without A Justice League

For a while now, rumors have been swirling (http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/112174646871839.htm) that the current season of Justice League Unlimited would be the last. However, a post made earlier this week (http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=16767) strongly suggests that the end is near. While the author of the post has remained anonymous, several sources have privately confirmed that JLU is shutting down production and the show’s staff has shrunk to a skeleton crew. Cartoon Network’s official position is that the show’s future is “undecided”, but many suspect that it won’t announce the cancellation until after the final episodes air later this year, if they even decide to announce it at all. Further, it is still heavily rumored that Bruce Timm will be leaving Warner Brothers Animation following the completion of the current season. It’s unclear if Dwayne McDuffie will also be leaving or if he will stay on. Some of the JLU staff members are said to have already been shifted over to the new Legion of Superheroes cartoon. With that in mind, the future of JLU looks pretty bleak at the moment. If Cartoon Network were to order more episodes, there’s no guarantee that the same creative team would be brought back together.

A letter writing campaign has already been started (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=156714) to help save the show, but it looks to be an uphill battle. Given the way Cartoon Network canceled Teen Titans, it’s hard to hold out much hope here. I’m told that the JLU creators considered the current season a major boon from CN, and arranged the final episodes to be a proper finale for the series. If this really is the end of the Dini/Timm era, at least they will have the chance to go out in style.

More All The Rage rumor info can be found at Silver Bullet Comic Books (http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/index1.htm).

"Oh, poop"...:(

[Toddman]

"Further, it is still heavily rumored that Bruce Timm will be leaving Warner Brothers Animation following the completion of the current season."

Aside from the possible end of the current DCAU, if there is any truth to this rumor, I wonder if it will affect Mr. Timm's participation in any future BB and JL/U DVD releases...


T:confused:ddman

[Trevor Balena]

Aside from the possible end of the current DCAU, if there is any truth to this rumor, I wonder if it will effect Mr. Timm's participation in any future BB and JL/U DVD releases...


T:confused:ddman

It shouldn't. Dini, for example, now works full-time on Lost, but they still get him for commentaries. I'm sure he's not the only example... Radomski, perhaps?

[Tiny Toon Fan]

Originally Posted by TBalena
It shouldn't. Dini, for example, now works full-time on Lost, but they still get him for commentaries. I'm sure he's not the only example... Radomski, perhaps?

Yup. Dini even gave comments for the He-Man DVDs.

I just hope JLU doesn't end before Firestorm makes an appearance. Its upsetting that characters I have never heard of before JLU like Shinning Knight and Vigilante have made appearances and yet someone like Firestorm who was a big part of the Superfriends show(final seasons) hasn't shown up yet.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

If it all ends this year it should end like this


Superman is about to leave for space [ala Superman returns plot]. So he is decides to bid farwell to all his super friends and allies. He starts flying around the world, going to see every super hero he has ever known and worked with. They show scenes of various superheroes, and supes waiving goodbye to all of them. Then he finally after numerous goodbyes , he makes his way to GLs and Shayeras long awaited wedding. Many other heroes gather their as well, and Flash is the best man. Martian manhunter even returns and is the one marrying GL andShayera. Its all like the funeral scene in "Hereafter", but this time its a happy wedding.

Superman does not come down however, but watches from above. The others see him and beg for him to come down, but he declines. Manhunter finally marries the couple and all the heores cheer. John and Shayera kiss and head out the chapel. They get rice thrown at them, and flash has a present for GL and Shayera. Its the old Flash mobile but it now says, "Hawk mobile" the couple happily excepts it. Before they board the van Shayera does the human custom and throws her flowers behind her. They are caught by Linda parker and then she smiles at Flash.


Superman then remebers something, and then flys off. He turns back into Clark kent and then finds Lois lane at the wedding. A surprised Lois ask "where you been Smallville" Clark then takes off his glasses and fixes his hair. Shortly after we skip back to GL and Shayera who drive off in their new "Van".

The final scene has Superman flying in the sky, and behind him is dozens of other heroes. Many of them being flown by others, and some in Javelins. Batman then flys up next to Superman in his Batplane, and then shockinly gives supes a thumbs up. Superman returns the gesture and continues flying upwards. Supes then flys up next to his one man space ship, and then turns back to face the gathered heroes. In his final words Superman says, "The world doesn't need 1 superman anymore, It now has many." He boards his ship and flys off into deep space.

The heroes waive him off..........

Far Out! :cool:

[Wade Kruse]

I wo't be surprised at all that if the first volume of the JL sets sells well, that JLU will get one more season so they can have four complete DVD sets. DVD sales mean a lot these days, it seems.

[Dusty]

So is this really the end of the DCAU? i am just wondering if there are anymore shows in the works like flash or wonder woman, or do we even have any idea on what the legion of superheroes cartoon will look like? and what about the rumored "Brave and the bold" and "Worlds finest" shows, will it be in the JL style of art? thanks, i am just out of the loop on this subject right now and am just anxious to know what is next up, :)



D.

[PeterFries]

WB Animation is currently in production on 13 new eps of "The Batman" and 13 1/2 hour eps of "Legion of Super Heroes". The art direction on LoSH is by James Tucker, who did a great deal of the character designs for JL and JLU. Nothing of the final design has leaked from the series yet, though if you search the forum here you can find links to early preproduction concepts. It's said to be non-JL continuity (as in -- not in continuity with Saturday's upcoming JLU ep or S:TAS "New Kids on the Block"), though I don't know that it's been said officially.

I really really doubt there's going to be a "Brave and the Bold" or "Worlds Finest" series, nor would I hold my breath for a Flash, GL or WW series (maybe if Whedon's WW movie ever got off the ground...).

I think barring any future Direct-to-Video projects, that the 14 year B:TAS - S:TAS - Batman Beyond - Justice League continuity is wrapped up as of this May.

[DisneyBoy]

It certainly looks that way. But let's not forget the Adventures comics which occassionally feature some really good, might-as-well-be-in-continuity stories.

I do get the sense that Cartoon Network will push ahead with the Justice League DTV that was put on hold, especially since the toyline seems to be continuing on. I think the Teen Titans DTV will be successful, and set the stage for the JL one. But beyond that...yeah, I think this is the end.

[Wolf Boy2]

I think the DCAU has had it's run. Everything that needs to be said has been said, even if not explicitly shown. Like the Near Apocalypse of '09. We know that there WAS one. We don't ever need to SEE it.

Let's say an Apocalyse of '09 DTV was released. Absolutely nothing they make could ever measure up to what we imagine it to have been.

Personally, I was impressed by Bruce Timm's Spider-Man designs and I really hope a Marvel Timmverse is started. We could call it the Marvel Comics Animated Universe (MCAU).

Another fantasy of mine, which will NEVER come true, is that some millionaire will pay Timm and Company to make new DCAU episodes just for the fans, with R-rated violence. Ahhh... that would be awesome.

[Dusty]

I want a GL or flash series that would tie into "Secret Origins" that would be fun,



D.

[Grimlock]

Scooby Doo is a rare exception and one with a far greater children's appeal than JLU. I imagine it's somewhat cheaper to produce as well. I don't think one can make Doo comparisons.

The fact DCAU has had some many canical incarnations in itself should be enough for all fans to be happy with. Smile, hug your DVD collections and prepare to move on. There is life after marriage you know. ;)

But i don't understand why we as fans can't ask for more. You always reply with this, but why can't you let us ask for more?

The fact is, if cartoon network ordered more episodes, would you be saying, "i don't know why they're making more, the DCAU had a great run, we should end it".

Just because CN didn't order more doesn't mean we as fans can't ask for more, but that seems to be what you're saying.

[Grimlock]

With the possible exception of "Chaos at the Earth's Core" -- and the unnecessary dialogue at the end of episodes reminding us that "we have a real mystery on our hands" -- I don't think Season 3 of JLU has dropped significantly in quality.

Haha, i'm glad i wasn't the only one annoyed by that "we have a real mystery on our hands". They did it at least twice, kind of unnecessary.

[DisneyBoy]

Another fantasy of mine, which will NEVER come true, is that some millionaire will pay Timm and Company to make new DCAU episodes just for the fans, with R-rated violence. Ahhh... that would be awesome.

Yeah, bring on more pointless violence. Season Three just didn't have enough of that. I want to see more fights, more characters getting killed. Blow them up. Let's hear some screaming. Or how about some graphic torture sequences? Man I love those. Helps me sleep at night. Blood, rage and death. Yum yum.

[Azrael24]

i agree with your sarcasm, honestly i think JLU is just right, its violent but doesnt cross the line. i dont think i would watch JLU if it were more violent, or any show for that matter

As for DCAU, im just dying for a wonder woman show, i think itd be much more succesfull than LoS. shes never had an animated show and she deserves one, and it could go with the new movie coming out next year

[DisneyBoy]

I've had trouble with a lot of the violence shown in JLU. The Superman/Marvel fight, Superman/Capt Atom fight, both Metabrawl episodes...the storyboard artists really took CN's looser censorship to an extreme. Seeing the man of steel electrocute someone...seeing Diana flip Vixen onto her head...that's some seriously disturbing stuff and I don't find it entertaining. I'm interesting in how far characters can go in any one direction, but not to the point where it becomes unbridled spectacle for spectacle's sake. Violence is not beautiful, even when drawn.

Call me a soccer mom if you will, but when I sit down and find myself grimacing at what happens on screen, you better believe I'd hesitate to let a kid watch it.

Anyhoo, back on topic...a Wonder Woman show prior to JL would have been great, but given how she's been set up thus far, I don't really see how there could be a successful DCAU show that features her and her cast without it seeming really anti-climactic. If a Wonder Woman show comes around, it'll be out-of-continuity.

[Yojimbo]

WB Animation is currently in production on 13 new eps of "The Batman" and 13 1/2 hour eps of "Legion of Super Heroes". The art direction on LoSH is by James Tucker

Was that confirmed in one of the four or five articles released by voldermart or some CN press?

[PeterFries]

Was that confirmed in one of the four or five articles released by voldermart or some CN press?

Sorry -- not actually confirmed yet officially; I should have said that in my original post. :o