"Catwoman (2001)" Series Talkback (Spoilers)

[James Harvey]

Discuss the all-new ongoing Catwoman series by Ed Brubaker and Darwyn Cooke!

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[Clayface]

It was interesting, but I wouldn't call the art "great". It just seemed off to me. Some specific examples:

Page 12, panel 1 - Riddler looks like he's about 90
Page 13, panel 1 - Everything about Bat's looks misplaced
Page 13, panel 9 - What the heck is up with that Batman??
Page 18, panel 3 - Batman looks far too skinny, and it looks like he's a size small wearing a size extra large shirt the way its all tucked in to his belt

I mean, overall, the art's not bad. But I wouldn't call it great either.

[DerekPowers]

Originally posted by Clayface
It was interesting, but I wouldn't call the art "great". It just seemed off to me. Some specific examples:

Page 12, panel 1 - Riddler looks like he's about 90
Page 13, panel 1 - Everything about Bat's looks misplaced
Page 13, panel 9 - What the heck is up with that Batman??
Page 18, panel 3 - Batman looks far too skinny, and it looks like he's a size small wearing a size extra large shirt the way its all tucked in to his belt

I mean, overall, the art's not bad. But I wouldn't call it great either.


I really LOVED the artwork. at first i didnt, but as i read it i found the artwork and pacing told the story excellently. and its so different from the art in the other dc books, it almost has an indy comic feel to it. its very refreshing. but i will agree w/ you clayface that there were a few panel that were drawn awkwardly, and w/ the simplicity of the art it seems the artist should have been able to avoid such issue (i dont have a problem w/ the pages you listed, but look at selina on page 7, first panel. very awkward.).


anyway, i loved it, i thought is was great, a very interesting and fun read. I loved batman's guest appearence, especially when selina saves him. that was cool.

a few question though, for those hardcore catwoman fans who may know....

in catwoman #94, flashbacks and many references are made to Batman: year one. and in this issue, Holly from year one appears. Plus catwoman's past as a prostitute is dealt with. I was always under the impression that year one was an elseworlds, meaning the whole prostitute thing and holly werent part of the dcu continuity. was selina always originally a prostitute, if so when was the issue first brought to light? perhaps early in the previous series?? also, was holly always in the dcu from catwoman's past? im just confussed about if frank miller borowed the prostitute origin from the dcu or if it was the other way around and the same w/ holly. plus the actual panel flashbacks in CW 94 was strange seeing as how it was an elseworlds story. peace.

[Trent Lane]

I never read Catwoman before, but seeing that Cooke was doing the art I picked it up. Very nice, a little animated style to it. Tho I'm not up on all the stuff that happened in the last volume, this issue has probably got me hooked for a while...

[Clayface]

Originally posted by DerekPowers

in catwoman #94, flashbacks and many references are made to Batman: year one. and in this issue, Holly from year one appears. Plus catwoman's past as a prostitute is dealt with. I was always under the impression that year one was an elseworlds, meaning the whole prostitute thing and holly werent part of the dcu continuity.



Nope, Year One was Miller's take on Batman's early years, and is in fact part of DC continuity and not an elseworlds story. But, unfortunately, a lot of Catwoman fans wish it wasn't - many were very offended with the idea of Selina having been a prostitute.




was selina always originally a prostitute, if so when was the issue first brought to light? perhaps early in the previous series?? also, was holly always in the dcu from catwoman's past? im just confussed about if frank miller borowed the prostitute origin from the dcu or if it was the other way around and the same w/ holly.



Catwoman was, I believe, just a cat burgular in the DC continuity until Frank Miller's Year One came along. In Year One, he retold her origin, including the prostitute aspects. This was, I believe, the first time she was shown to be a prostitute, and became "cannon" with Year One's publication.

[Salvor]

Cooke's artwork was - as usual - amazing. Very stylish. I don't care about some minor - and so-called - flaws, his style is superb compared to most pencillers working in the comics industry these days.

The story was great too. Really great. I've become a huge EB fan :)

[Joker85]

So what did everyone think of the new Catwoman series?

What about the first two issues? I loved them! They just get better and better. Selina and Holly's interaction the second issue was great. I look foward to the next issue!! :)

[DerekPowers]

well, i thought the first was much better, but it was still a good book.

i dont know how i feel about selina playing hero, but as long as its a once in a while thing. id hate to see her forget her villanious ways.

btw, didnt brubaker say he wanted to spiff up her hero role? i dont really remember, but i think he said something like that. i just hope he doesnt take it too far. peace.

[kid_flash]

Well, he said he doesn't want her to completely be a villain and steal stuff all the time. He said in an interview that professional thiefs only pull off three heists every year at the absolute most. Also, how many rare cat artifacts can be shipped into Gotham? Sooner or later, it just gets old.

I'm really digging the new Catwoman series, and I can't wait for more!

[Ed Liu]

Howdy all,

My wife and I were both rather frustrated by this comic, because now we have to wait for another month for more. I guess that's a good thing, though, since it means we want more.

I figured that Catwoman would start in to acting as the protector for those who slip through the cracks for the GCPD and Batman. I'm curious to see where this storyline is going to end up, though.

Darwyn Cooke kicks butt. I noticed he's not the artist for the March 2002 solicitation, though -- does anybody know if he's going off the book for good, or if it's just a fill-in? Honestly, I don't know if I'd keep reading it monthly if he wasn't drawing it.

Happy New Year to everybody, too, BTW.

-- Ed/Ace

[kid_flash]

From what I understand, the creative team in March will be the permanant one. I don't have a clue why Cooke only signed on for the first story.

[DerekPowers]

that is not a good sign, if you ask me. i really like cooke's artwork. who knows though, maybe the new guy will be better, but i really feel the art is a big part of this book's success so far. it really sets a tone and creates a certain mood through the drawings AND the pacing and use of the panels. well, we'll just all have to wait and see. peace.

[SilentBobWooHoo]

I loved the first two issues, but I can't believe Cooke is already leaving :(

[kid_flash]

I know I'll be waiting and seeing if the new guy's good. He'd have to be pretty horrible to turn me off this book, 'cause I'm digging Brubaker's work on this, which he's saying is some of his best. Then again, it isn't always a good thing when a writer thinks he/she is really good. We shall see...

Oh, and SBWH: Cooke only signed on for the first story. He was never supposed to go any further.

[Trent Lane]

Good issue, this story gets more and more intresting by the page. I'm a little disapointed to hear Cooke is only on for the first story, he's the reason I picked up the book- the "kinda" animated style he's got is really cool. I'll have to see how it gets when the new guy takes over...

[X-human]

I've got some mixed feelings about the book.

Catwoman claims that she's defending hookers because they're people to, but yet a few pagees earlier a cop beats on this hooker and takes her money and Catwoman just sits by and watchs. Yeah, she's really looking out for them. :rolleyes:

[kid_flash]

I think Selina's trying as much as possible to work with the system this time around.

[Joker85]

Another great issue by the new Catwoman team. I love the fact that they are turning Selina into a real detective-like character. This storyline has been really interesting and I can't wait for the conclusion next month!! So, what did everyone else think?

[James Harvey]

These three issues have been better than every issue of the last series combined! I am curious as to what his mysterious deformity is. I couldn't tell with the last panel - even though it looks like we got a full face shot.

And the opening..wow...how powerful was that opening. Leslie Thompkin's dream was just...wow...I love this book!

[DerekPowers]

yeah, this is a good book. i really enjoyed this issue and cant wait till the next issue.

so, whats the deal w/ that guy? is he a shape shifter or was that just a costume? clayface is the first thing that poped in my head, but then again i doubt it and i know the comic book clayface is very different from the animated one.

i also loved the part when selina was racing to save that girl, it was very suspenseful. peace.

[James Harvey]

You know what'd make this book even better? If they fixed the mess that is the comic book Clayface? That would just make this book absolutely perfect. Although that doesn't explain his little freak outs.

[Trent Lane]

You know, Clayface is who I thought of as well. I'm looking forward to next month's conclusion, but wish that Cooke was staying on for more issues. If not, then go to save the day for Gotham Adventures!!!

[James Harvey]

Cooke is only in for four issues, then Brad Rader takes over as the new permenant artist. Cooke is then doing an issue of X-Force and Tangled Web then...who knows? I would like to see Cooke swing back and do an issue of Justice League Adventures or, which would be real nice, Gotham Adventures.

I think it could be Clayface, and his face could be...well...melting (I guess) after having it one way for long.

[Joker85]

hmmm, I hadn't thought about Clayface. It makes since though, when you think about it. I hope that Dr. Thompkins stays a recurring character in this one. It would be neat for her and Selina have a friendship, have Selina someone to go to besides Bats!

[DisneyBoy]

Yup, I suspect Clayface is behind it too. Though why he would keep trying to spend time with hookers is beyond me (maybe he is desperate for any kind of affection). All the clues seen to point to him or another sort of shape-shifter:

-At the crime scene before Catwoman shows up, the killer sees a poster of a cat, and when Selina reaches the ally, a cat (that wasn't there before) makes a run for it. Detectives determine that the paw prints were made at the time of the murder...

-At the bar when Selina's talking to a "cute guy", he leaves for the bathroom, and minutes later, a dead-ringer for a person in a painting/photo at the bar walks past her...(obviously giving it away that he is some kind of shape-shifter)

The only thing that confuses me is how/why all those women die such gruesome deaths. Whoever this guy is, he clearly doesn't want to hurt them, but he keeps going back. In any case, he guy made himself to look like an actor and has been pretending an aweful lot lately. It's gotta be Clayface...or someone like him...

[Clayface]

The new issue is out. Comments?

[Gotham Knights '68]

Originally posted by Clayface
The new issue is out. Comments?

I thought it was GREAT. I am really enjoying Selina's re-birth. I thought the first story arc was good, it really set up the book for months to come.

I thought the art was really good in this issue in particular (although I miss Jim Balent ;) ). Seeing Slam Bradly was very cool - I think he and Selina interact very well. The cops are seriously corrupt and would give the guys in Bludhaven a run for their money!!! The new Selina has my attention, I hope it lasts!!!

[Ed Liu]

Howdy all,

I thought this issue was interesting, but probably not enough for me to pick up #6, unfortunately. The main story was OK, although I have a pretty big beef with


Selina and Holly just driving away after they WATCH Brendan leaving the playground with Dexter, especially when Holly knows full well what Dexter does with kids.


The characterizations were interesting, though, and the artwork is nearly Darwyn Cooke good. I'll at least look at #6 when it comes out.

-- Ed/Ace

[Clayface]

I really enjoyed this issue, and will continue to keep on the series for a while.

In my opinion, the art on this issue blows Cooke's stuff out of the water. The art was much more consistent through the entire issue, and reminded me of pieces done by one of my favorite artists Roy Lichtenstein.

The story wasn't bad, but it wasn't fantastic either - seemed to be just a setup for the next issue, and was interesting enough to make me come back to see what happens.

[kid_flash]

Honestly, except for a few panels, I could not tell the difference between Cooke's work and Bader's work. I think that would be the same for a lotta people if it wasn't for the credits box.

[Gotham Knights '68]

Agreed. I really couldn't tell the difference at first, but as I read along, I did think that this artwork was a little bit better...very similar, but a bit more realistic with the shaping of the characters and the coloring.

I am happy with either one...but I still miss Jim Balent !

Really like the new series, let's keep it goin'...

[X-human]

I felt it was pretty flat. Catwoman didn't do any real detective work. She just followed the drug dealer around, and bumped into a real detective who put all the peices together for her.

Then she only yelled at the guy, which in the end really wouldn't prevent this kind of thing from happening again, and then got cocky and didn't watch the kid's back.

Sure she should make mistakes, but I just think they went about all the wrong way. This guy just suddenly realizes what he's doing is terribly wrong, as if all any body really needs is a stern talking to from a chick in leather with a whip (which, most men like him actually pay to have done to them) by some stern mother figure who has a rod up her ass about a boy who's 13 and charming but he's 14 he's a pig.

This comic screams, "I am woman, hear me roar," then doesn't nothing but sterotype. It's stupifying.

[Joker85]

While not as good as the previous 4, I thought this was a pretty good issue. I felt more than anything that it set up the next couple of issues. I like how Slam and Holly have become her supporting characters and I hope they stick around. I couldn't tell any difference in the art. I thought this new guy did very well, however, I do echo a previous poster when I say that I miss Jim Balent.

[Gotham Knights '68]

Originally posted by Joker85
While not as good as the previous 4, I thought this was a pretty good issue. I felt more than anything that it set up the next couple of issues. I like how Slam and Holly have become her supporting characters and I hope they stick around. I couldn't tell any difference in the art. I thought this new guy did very well, however, I do echo a previous poster when I say that I miss Jim Balent.

:D

[Joker85]

The latest Catwoman came out today. Here's a talkback thread. What did all you Catwoman fans out there think??

[Joker85]

Another great issue of the new volume!! I love how the focus has moved to concentrate a little more on Holly. Her thoughts on the fruggies as she was walking down the street were cool, seeing the world through her eyes,with everyone having a lable. I wonder though about those cops. I mean, they are even more corrupt than the ones in Bludhaven. I don't think Holly will die, but I think Selina will have a tough time getting her help. HTe Email she was reading at the beginning was hysterical!!! I get those stupid chain emails all the time!! Anyways, ggreat issue, can't wait til next month!! :)

[kid_flash]

I'm gonna say it again: Issues 4 and 5 sucked. They just flat-out sucked. Issue 6, you say? This issue totally redeemed the series. This Holly story isn't a superhero story and it doesn't try to be. It's just a simple, street-level story about this incredible character who's been through a whole lotta crap in her life, and is trying to make up for it by helping someone help others. It was just a beautifully written story (art was good, too), and definitely one of my faves from Brubaker.

[Joker85]

The newest issue of Catwoman came out today! What did everyone think? I thought it was one of the best yet! This Holly/drugs/bad cops storyline is very entertaining and I like the new vigilante type Catwoman. And best of all, she finally has a good supporting cast of characters. Leslie, Slam , and holly all make perfect additions to her team. I especially like how they are using Leslie. The art inside was once again awesome, but the cover was TERRIBLE!!! However has been doing these covers needs to be replaced IMO. One of the best things about the old CW series was the cover art, something thats been sadly lacking in the new series. Oh well, that was my only complaint for this issue and it was a minor one. Can't wait til next months!!

[Ms. Kitty]

The art inside was once again awesome, but the cover was TERRIBLE!!!

I agree. Sorry I couldn't put up a review yet I'm getting my comics next week. :) I'll put up my comments then. :cool:

Hey! Anybody else got reviews? I'd like to see them too! :D

[Ms. Kitty]

Anybody? Hmmmm? :confused: COME ON!!! :mad: :eek: :o ;) :p :D

[CadaverousEyes]

I was waiting for someone in the comic to point out that those goggles look ridiculous. Okay, so the goggles weren't exactly mentioned, but it was implied. That counts.

Leslie just looks wrong with her hair down. And I don't even want to think about how surgery without anesthesia feels. As it is, I don't know how this could be wrapped up in just 2 issues. Batman needs a good slap in the face for allowing corruption to exist so high up in the GCPD. Gordon too. I don't care if he is retired.

[Gotham Knights '68]

I thought the issue was great, excellent storyarc, development of characters interactions...Slam, Holly, Leslie, the dirty GCPD - reminds me of Bludhaven a bit eh?

Jim Lee's catwoman is they way it should be!! Awesome stuff there ;)

Loving the new series so far.

[Joker85]

The latest issue of Catwoman came out today and will start a whole new arc featuring the return of none other than Maggie Kyle herself! So, who all picked this one up today. I'll post my comments as soon as I can reread it. It was a great issue though. So, what did ya'll think?

[Joker85]

This was a big improvement over last months filler issue. I enjoyed the Slam/Holly scenes and I think its pretty funny that Slam has a crush on Selina, or is "in love with her". The community center Selina was putting up was also pretty cool, showing that Catwoman really cares, she just gets into trouble every now and then. I think the blond is reporting to Black Mask, who will probably be in the next one. Maggie's return was a total shock for me! She was in the old miniseries, but I don't know if she was ever in the comics. I don't think she was but I'm not absolutely sure. It'll be interesting to see how Selina reacts to this.

[Ms. Kitty]

Isn't Bruce Wane in this ish too? Just wondering. I'm going to get this on Friday.

[alex]

Originally posted by Joker85
Maggie's return was a total shock for me! She was in the old miniseries, but I don't know if she was ever in the comics. I don't think she was but I'm not absolutely sure. It'll be interesting to see how Selina reacts to this.


Maggie was mentioned in issues 2 and 5 of the original series, and she was shown as a child briefly in the issue entitled "It's a Wonderful Life". Maggie was supposed to have a big part in the end of the old series, but I missed it :(

[BLACKHEART]

Catwoman #16

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Written by Ed Brubaker; art by Cameron Stewart; cover by J.G. Jones

A most disturbing Catwoman story comes to a definitive - and deadly - conclusion! The fates of those closest to Selina are resolved, but now her future is in question. Black Mask has struck back at Catwoman in every way possible. Now the Feline Fatale is on a one-way, high-impact course of revenge, but Black Mask is waiting for Catwoman - and he's getting help from someone very close to her!

Comments?

Jim's Note: Text color changed to make the post easier to read.

I don't normally pick up this title, but I could use something new and fresh and Black Mask was the selling point.

[Clayface]

Added a poll to the thread.

[Clayface]

Wow! Great issue!

I love Stewart's stylized art in this title - it works perfectly. It almost has a Dick Tracy feel to it, and gives the book a great atmosphere and feel. My only problem here is that Black mask looks a bit too much like The Mask, only in black.

It was good to finally get the backstory of what happened between Selina and Sylvia to cause all of this.

What happened to Selina's sister was just brutal and disturbing - I don't think I've seen anything that dark in comics in quite a while. Makes me squeemish just to think about it.

I love that Selina was smart enough to not trust Black Mask - good move on her part. And her fight with him was incredible - how friggin' cool was that back-flip kick and Selina's landing on page 16? Wow! Who wants to bet we haven't seen the end of Black Mask though.

I'm giving this one 5 stars!

A great end to Sylvia - glad to see her go. And a rather depressing end for Selina's sister.

And how about that last page?? I just wish someone would explain the difference between Catwoman in her own title and how she's acting over in Loeb's Batman run.

[Clayface]

CATWOMAN #18



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WRITTEN BY: Ed Brubaker
ART AND COVER BY: Javier Pulido

THE STORY: The 3-part "No Easy Way Down" continues! Catwoman's still keeping the people in Gotham's forgotten neighborhoods safe, but without anything in her personal life as Selina Kyle to keep her going, she becomes more dangerous to herself and the people around her. It'll take everything she has to see the light at the end of the tunnel, and her apathy could have dire consequences.

Comments?

[DisneyBoy]

Since no one's replied yet, I figure I'd mention that I stopped reading this series some time ago, but was intrigued by recent storylines. The art seems to have become much more stylized than it was back in issue #1 began. Is this series still as prestigious as it was when it debuted? Do the fans still enjoy it? I'm curious to hear what the future holds in store for the characters, as well. Is Maggie/Maddie/Selina's sister/ex-nun still in the picture?

Just some random thoughts.

[Clayface]

I haven't gotten around to reading this issue yet, so i can't post my comments on it, but I'll say a few things about your questions, Disneyboy.


Since no one's replied yet, I figure I'd mention that I stopped reading this series some time ago, but was intrigued by recent storylines.


Bummer. What made you stop? This is one of my favorite books put out by DC right now - I'm curious to hear what it was that made you decide to stop reading it.




The art seems to have become much more stylized than it was back in issue #1 began.



The artist has changed several times since the beginning of the series. We've had Cooke, Brad Rader, then Cameron Stewart, and now Javier Pulido. I've enjoyed pretty much all of them.



Is this series still as prestigious as it was when it debuted? Do the fans still enjoy it?



Personally, I think this book has gotten better with just about every issue, and ir probably one of the best books DC puts out. The recent storyline featuring the Black Mask was just mindblowing, and the ramifications are still running through the book.



I'm curious to hear what the future holds in store for the characters, as well. Is Maggie/Maddie/Selina's sister/ex-nun still in the picture?


Selina's sister Maggie went through a very rough time in the Black Mask storyline, and is still around in a fashion. I don't want to give away too much if you're planning on reading the title again at some point.

Catwoman's life is in downward spiral because of recent events, and isn't acting all that rationally, and Holly is around and having problems of her own as well.

[James Harvey]

I'm always surprised to hear that people aren't reading this title. This book has become, along with Gotham Central, arguably the best mainstream Batman books on the market right now. The mature and adult tone of Catwoman has brought a whole new perception to the character of Selina Kyle. This book is simply amazing, and the artwork that goes with the artwork is to die for. Darwyn Cooke? Cameron Scott? Javier Pulido? Paul Pope? Brad Rader? Just look at the great artists that have graced this series so far.

I gotta give props to DC for making this a unique comic series, different from alot of the stuff the company is releasing.

The characters in this series, and how Brubaker presents them, really brings a new atmosphere to Gotham. With Holly potentially going back to depending on drugs to deal with her emotional pain is dark and painfully real. Selina's and Slam's attempt to escape from themselves, through each other, is amazing. Selina dealing with her psychological problems by slipping into a doomed affair is intruiging. Brubaker is taking these characters to a whole new level here.

"No Easy Way Down" has been a brilliant arc, and has me anticipating the next installments, something that the Loeb/Lee run hasn't been able to do for quite awhile, now. This story arc has been harrowing and nearly flawless. With superb writing and amazing artwork, this is one of DC's best titles, if not their best one right now.

Catwoman and Gotham Central are revolutionizing Batman's universe, and it's a shame that more people aren't reading these books.

[Clayface]

I couldn't have said it any better myself, Jim. People that aren't reading this book are missing out on one of the best DC books out there!

[James Harvey]

I couldn't have said it any better myself, Jim. People that aren't reading this book are missing out on one of the best DC books out there!

And DC is trying to get the book more noticed by putting the quotes on the covers. I hope that helps somewhat.

Back to the actual book, I'm interested to see where Brubaker is going to take Holly. I was glad when she first appeared back in the first issue after all those years, and he's been developing her ever since. She's fast becoming a breakout character in this title.

Not only is Holly a great character, but Brubaker is giving Selina the best characterization in years. Forget the previous Catwoman series, or even her current Batman appearances, Selina is great in this series. Brubaker is taking her to such great places. I love how Brubaker is presenting us with the consequences from the previous arc, and even bringing up stuff from the first year of the book.

He's got a plan...he's got a plan...I just know it!

[Joker85]

Jim, Clayface I agree with you both 100%. Catwoman and Gotham Central are the best, most mature comics out there and the plotlines in both are just amazing!! I enjoyed the first Catwoman series but this new one has just been incredible!! The 5 part Black Mask storyline is the best storyline I've ever read in a comic! Every month I was blown away with amazing art, writing, and characterization. Now the storyline dealing with the ramifications of that one has been just as good. The characters are all spiraling out of control and don't seem to know which way to go next. Selina and Slam's affair is a great way of showing what a state Selina is in right now, and Holly slowly falling back in the drug addiction, something that's been building since Issue #6 is definitely interesting. And I love how we have these 2 characters outside of the main ones: Karen and Dr. Thompkins. The characters are at a point where they should be turning to these two instead of to each other(Selina and Slam) and Drugs(Holly). But, with all they've been through, it's very understandable. I agree Jim, I'm amazed at people who aren't reading this or Gotham Central. I only wish Brubaker was in charge of more Bat titles cause he is doing wonders with those two. I've noticed the quotes on the cover as well and I hope it helps get new readers. DisneyBoy, I'd like to hear why you stopped reading and I really encourage you to start picking it back up again. Catwoman is my favorite comic out there right now and Brubaker's work on it and Gotham Central(along with Greg Rucka) is heads and tails over Loebs run on Batman. I give issue 18 **** 1/2

[DisneyBoy]

Wow! I've very pleased to hear that the series is still pleasing the fans so much. I've heard so little about Gotham Central, I figured it had been canned or something.

Sadly, the only reason why I haven't picked Catwoman up lately, is my lack of money. Otherwise, I'd be glad to. The only comics I pick up on a monthly basis are Justice League Adventures and Batman: Gotham Adventures....

...no. Hold on. Gotham Adventures is over!!!!!!

I meanBatman Adventures, baby, Yah!!!!

I flipped through an issue recently, and was taken back by Selina and Slam's...um...adventures. When did they start getting together? who made the first move? Does it bother anyone else that Slam looks a good twenty years older than she is? I also found the art to look too "sketchy/artsy" if you know what I mean. I like curved lines, and lately the series seems to have veered away from those used in the first five issues. I picked up number five despite its ugly pink cover (yuck!) and enjoyed it. I decided to try and save some money after that. Maybe I'll pick up a tradepaperback along the way. Oh, and for those who have read it, how was Selina's Big Score?

[Joker85]

DB, why you are wasting money on Justice League Adventures and not buying Catwoman I'll never know..but thats a topic for another thread. Yes, the art has changed some since the opening issue but it's all been for the better. And to explain why Slam and Selina are together you'd need to read all the issues, so I won't even try to explain here. And as for the age difference, I don't really think it's a major issue, but again you really would have to read the past storyline to understand. And Selina's Big Score was great! I recommend it.

[Clayface]

CATWOMAN #19



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WRITTEN BY: Ed Brubaker
ART AND COVER BY: Javier Pulido

THE STORY: The conclusion to “No Easy Way Down!” Brutal truths are revealed and pivotal decisions are made as Slam Bradley finally resolves the case of the Missing Goldigger with gory results. Meanwhile, Selina reaches some devastating conclusions about herself, Holly makes a decision that could plunge her back into the dark world of drug addiction, and Slam makes the hardest choice of his life.

Comments?

[Joker85]

I have really been looking foward to this one. Unfortunately, I doubt I'll get a chance to dig into it before Saturday, so expect more comments then. But I'm sure it's stellar! This whole arc has been.

[alex]

I loved this book. The concluding scenes with the Bat and Cat, and where Selina cradles a weeping Holly got me all misty. You have to be made of stone not to have been moved by this storyline. One question though, when Selina refers to Karon as Holly's "girlfriend", was she confirming my suspicion that Holly and Karon are an item, or are they just pals?

[Joker85]

I thought it has all but said in past issues that Holly and Karon are an item..and after this one, I think thats a pretty solid fact..but hey, I've been wrong before. I'm glad the thing with Slam is over, it needed to end soon. This has been another outstanding arc and I look foward to the next one. Selina and Holly need some time together. Can't wait to see what kinds of trouble they find get into next!

[alex]

I thought it has all but said in past issues that Holly and Karon are an item..and after this one, I think thats a pretty solid fact..but hey, I've been wrong before. I'm glad the thing with Slam is over, it needed to end soon. This has been another outstanding arc and I look foward to the next one. Selina and Holly need some time together. Can't wait to see what kinds of trouble they find get into next!


Ditto! Sadly, I'll always be a week or two behind, because it takes that long for the book to reach my front door, but in the case of Catwoman, the end result is always worth the sleepless nights in anticipation ;)

[Clayface]

Artist Cameron Stewart returns as a new chapter begins for Catwoman!

CATWOMAN #20

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WRITTEN BY: Ed Brubaker
ART AND COVER BY: Cameron Stewart


THE STORY: Selina and Holly hit the road to see the world, rediscover themselves, and track down a very important figure from Holly's past. Their first stop takes them to upstate New York, where they have a not-so-chance encounter with the JSA's Wildcat! But as he shows Holly the ropes, an item of great value lures Catwoman into a mysterious world of intrigue and danger!

Comments?
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[kid_flash]

I'm going to make an attempt to say how much I love this series, and more specifically, this issue...

1) The cover. Cameron Stewart finally getting his due and really unleashing on the covers. If the interior art (great as it is) could be as good as this, CATWOMAN would be the best comic book on the shelf. The cover just works...it shows what we'll get in the issue, does is with little flash, and draws your eyes to the issue.

2) Selina's still a thief, stealing not one but two cars. Brubaker's taking her transfomation slowly, instead of giving her an epiphany and just suddenly be the fighter for all that is good and right.

3) Wildcat. Cameron Stewart nailed him perfectly, both as Ted Grant and as Wildcat.

4) Page 8. Just look at it. If you were just looking at the art, you would think it's like some big, life-changing progression Holly's making, getting in touch with her inner self. But the letter she writes shows that she's getting really sick of it and has some hate for the work.

5) Selina and Ted's night on the town. The art really works here, not just in Stewart's pencils and inks, but Holingsworth's colors as well.
Brubaker delivered excellent characterization.

6) Holly and Ted have excellent teacher/student chemistry. Holly finally hitting Ted was handled perfectly by each character. Holly was excited at first, but then doubted herself when she found out Selina wasn't watching. Selina wasn't amazed, but encouraged Holly nonetheless. And Ted admits he got caught off guard.

The only things that didn't work...Hollingsworth does no shading of any sort, giving the art a very flat look. Until they step in the barn, where it's darker, or Selina and Ted's night out where night allows for the inking to take care of the shading.
Also, Brubaker resorts to the storytelling cliche of Selina realizing things as the result of a fight which, coincidentally, becomes a perfect example of what Ted tells her earlier. Mark Waid did this for years on THE FLASH, and that's the only writing weakness I found of his, and the same extends to Brubaker.

Still, I adore this series. If the colors would improve, I would forgive all mistakes this series has made (I almost dumped this series after the first storyarc) and call it the best mainstream comic on the market.

[Joker85]

Well, I'm not sure what to say that kid flash did not, just that I agree. This is my favorite series out there right now and this issue proves why. It was ingenious to have Selina and Holly get away from Gotham. I loved Holly writing the letter, training with Wildcat and Selina's night on the town with Wildcat. The art was great and I can't wait til next month when they hit Keystone City. *****

[Mike Spartz]

Bought and read my first Catwoman comic, issue 20, yesterday and you guys were right...it totally rocked! I loved it and I couldn't get enough of the juicy story. The arts not to my liking but thats okay cause it gos well with the scripts pace. And, my god, Brubaker is one hell of a writer! :) He managed to capture the modern version of Catwoman in such a way that I actually felt for her and her supporting cast. Each character was written beautifully and I loved their interactions with one another. This issue was funny to with that poor guy and his stolen car...that was so Selina! :D Anyway, i'm really intrested in holly now and who is she exactly and whats her connection to catwoman? Solid issue with an exciting storyline, i wonder with role that cat statue shown at the end with play in the next issue?

Well, just to let you guys know, you've convinced me! Catwoman is indeed a wonderful book and one of DC's best. I'm definitely sticking to this book for a long time! :D

thanks

[alex]

:D :D :D YIPPEE, MY BOOK FINALLY ARRIVED! :D :D :D :D


It was nice to see Kitty and Ted paired up again, and I love how he's training Holly. Such a pity that Selina's sensei died, or he could take Holly's studies even further. This was definitely a five star issue. It's quite refreshing after the very heavy "Relentless", and "No Easy Way Down" story lines (which are presently my favourite story in all of American Comicdom).

[Clayface]

CATWOMAN #21



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WRITTEN BY: Ed Brubaker
ART AND COVER BY: Cameron Stewart

THE STORY: Selina and Holly continue their no-rules, no-holds-barred road trip with a stopover in Keystone City! It's supposed to be a simple vacation, until a certain member of The Flash's Rogue’s Gallery blackmails Selina into helping him pull off a major score. And with Captain Cold on one side and the law on the other, how can our feline fatale escape unscathed?

Comments?

[Clayface]

Hello? Anyone out there? I know there used to be a good number of people reading this title, but I haven't seen much discussion on the last few issues. Am I talking to myself here?

Anyway, I enjoyed this issue. I was wondering how Brubaker was going to use a character like Captain Cold without going completely cheese, and he does a good job here. I like how Catwoman get's caught up with him in the first place: she needs info, and he needs help with a caper - a fair trade, one for the other. I also got a kick out of just what Captain Cold was after, and why.

I'm really happy that Brubaker hasn't made Selina into a true "hero". She's still willing to commit a crime to ge what she wants - it keeps a good edge on the character.

Anyone happen to know who that is at the end of the issue looking at Catwoman's picture in the paper? :confused:

I gave this one 4/5 - a solid, fun read, with excellent art by Stewart (that cover is one of my favorites!).

[Joker85]

Another excellent issue from this great staff! I loved how they used Captain Cold, with just the right amount of humor, and the Flash museum thing was great! Holly sightseeing in Keystone had me LOL! And yes Clayface, I too wondered who that was at the end. Guess we'll find out next month. Another solid ***** issue! I just love these guys, this is how you make a comic!

[Storm]

I sware I'm getting this issue this weekend. Does anybody know if DC Comics' does subscriptions because I would rather just get m regular comics in the mail, I just haven't had time to go to the comic shop. Anyone know? (Looks at Clayface with puppy dog eyes)


My thoughts on this issue will show up later.


- Storm

[efumf]

Storm, try ordering your comics online - that's what I do.

But it takes a while for them to arrive, so I can't post on these talkbacks :(

[The_NewCatwoman]

I gave this issue 4 1/2 stars. I loved the art, and this is yet another issue that has me glad Stewart is back, Pulido was getting on my nerves. The expressions he gave Selina were hilarious and wonderful. And I enjoyed seeing her interaction with Captain Cold. This was a fun read that held me in throughout the entire issue, and makes me look forward to next month with anticipation.

tNC

[Mike Spartz]

another great issue, I loved the inreaction between Cold and Selina. Plus, the art is starting to grow on me which is good! :) I'm also intrigued by the ending, whats gonna happen to Selina next issue?

4.5/5 stars

[alex]

I finally got my copy! :D It was another fun fun fun issue. I loved the Mister Freeze crack Catwoman gave Captain Cold, and the note in the locker. :p This issue also made it painfully clear why Catwoman works alone, other people are far too prone to screw things up. :rolleyes: Honestly, if I were Catwoman, I'd have probably killed Cold, or at least handed the lout over to Flash. I gave it *****.

[The Electric Knight]

Every month when I go to my store to pick up my copy of Catwoman, I literally start reading it as soon as I get out the door. This book just continually surprises me. It can be so wonderfully dark and disturbing, and it can be so humourous and whimsical as well. It just works on so many levels.


This issue also made it painfully clear why Catwoman works alone, other people are far too prone to screw things up. :rolleyes:

Yep, it showed this part of Selina so well. I was thinking that too. I loved the way she acted in this issue, I loved the whole "trade-off" idea, and it was great seeing Selina do another heist. Captain Cold was just great. Even though he is incredibly corny on the outside, the Flash issue which spotlighted him (can't remember what number) really gave him depth. And it was good to see Brubaker continued that, but also had some fun at the same time. Holly's antics were great too.

The art was just breathtaking. I don't know how I'm going to take having a change in art styles... I've become so attached to Stewarts' stellar self-inked work, combined with those great colours. It's become so tightly meshed with the method of storytelling, and, as much as I will continue to follow and love this book, it pains me to say that I think it will lose something in the switch-over. If I got to choose, it'd be Burchett, Pia Guerra (of Y fame), Rader, or Shawn Martinbrough (who I'd kill to see on this book - even just for one issue).

I was also glad to see that another trade is on its way. If any book deserves it, it's this one.

[alex]

I was also glad to see that another trade is on its way. If any book deserves it, it's this one.


Oooh! A new TPB!? Where didja hear about it, and what's it gonna be about? (Quivering with excitement :D )

[The_NewCatwoman]

I think this is what he's referring to, hope it helps:

http://www.defenderofgotham.net/comicsnews050303.html

tNC

[alex]

CATWOMAN #23



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WRITTEN BY: Ed Brubaker
ART AND COVER BY: Cameron Stewart

THE STORY: Catwoman’s “Wild Ride” continues with a stopover in a familiar locale: Opal City! But danger is everywhere as the mysterious Arabian ninjas who plagued Selina back in Keystone City catch up with her and Holly!

Comments?


I got my issue today. The story didn't really progress very much, but it was still fun. I especially loved the the interaction between Slam and the Bat. I gave it****1/2 :cool: .

[The_NewCatwoman]

I got my issue today. The story didn't really progress very much, but it was still fun. I especially loved the the interaction between Slam and the Bat. I gave it****1/2 :cool: .
I was wondering where the talkback for this issue was, but I didn't feel like starting one either. I loved this issue. Especially all of the interaction between Bats and Slam. Nice work. I gave this ***** stars, mostly because it was just such a fantastic read.

tNC

[Samhaine]

I love Brubaker. He could probably save just about any dying book. :)

Catwoman is great now. I'm sad there are only 2 more Stweart issues left, but I'm going to enjoy them. This was a great issue, too. I love Slam in this book, and Holly's shaping up nicely.

[Jor-El]

I might buy this book for the awesome cover alone, but could anyone tell me if we saw any of Starman's supporting cast in these pages?

[The_NewCatwoman]

I might buy this book for the awesome cover alone, but could anyone tell me if we saw any of Starman's supporting cast in these pages?
I just got the issue yesterday (finally!) and none of Starman's cast makes an appearance oddly enough. The book is a okay read and does keep one entertained. Although I am weirded out by one thing:

Why is Bobo talking to Selina on the phone at the end and she doesn't even realize it's him and not Slam. *shrugs* I'm confused.

tNC