What Will happen to the Bat-Villains?

[Puddin']

We all know what will be the final showdown between Bruce and to the Joker, Harley, Ra's and Talia, but what do you think will be the end of other villains such as Poison Ivy, Two-Face or Scarecrow before Bruce retires?

My theory, in the last battle between Batman and Two-face, the two will have a struggle which will lead to the revealing of Batman's identity. The fact that Batman is really his best friend will cause Harvey to have a major break-down because of his two personalities, and therefore will wipe his mind completely out.
I've always digged the Batman-Two Face-Bruce-Harvey relationship, therefore in my opinion this will be the ultimate end for Two-Face.

Any other theories?

[ITDEFX]

it is too bad we will never see what happened to batman's rouge gallery.

Batman Beyond gave us very little.

Bane-A veggy due to years of venom use

Mr. Freeze-Head transfered to new body , which reverted to its freeze state :|

Selena Kyle-dunno.

Joker-Dead :O

Two-Face: who knows..yes I like the idea that two face and batman have a final showdown and harvey finding out who batman is.

Riddler: ? :P

Penquin: Retired :\

Crock: died?

Zeus: Cured

Sid the squid: Retired after he got out of jail

[John Cage]

Don't forget The Ventriloquist, the only Bat-villain to actually have a happy ending.

Catwoman, Penguin and the Riddler probably all eventually retired or were locked away for good; at the very least we know Selina and Riddler were bandied about for potential use in that alternate "Epilogue" DTV, so they presumably made it to the Batman Beyond era. Kirk Langstrom appeared in "Chemistry", so he lived happily ever after. Clayface probably never got cured and wound up imprisoned like in "Secret Society". Scarecrow, Ivy and Croc probably died before Bruce retired. I like the idea about Two-Face and Batman's final showdown ending with Harvey learning Bruce's secret and having a total breakdown -- it's a sad ending that fits with the tragedy of Batman's life.

Have a good day.
John Cage

[Gpoliceman]

Hi,

This is NOT what I THINK happened to the villains, it's what I would MAKE happen to the villains if I wrote more Batman Beyond episodes myself.

Villains we know what happened to in batman beyond's time:

Ras Al Ghul: Killed his daughter, took over her body, then died.
Joker: Died (twice)
Talia: Killed by her father
Harley Quinn: Supposedly died, then layed low and disappeared.
Mr. Freeze: Felt so much guilt, he blew himself up.
Bane: Got venom poisoning, became a vegetable.

Here's what happens to all the villains during Batman's (Bruce Wayne) time.

Two-Face: I LOVE TWO-FACE and Harvey's "best friend" relationship with Bruce. Therefore, I agree Harvey should eventually find out Batman is Bruce Wayne. Then it all makes sense to him. Bruce, not Batman, has always been trying to help him. Due to the fact that Two-Face now realizes at least one friend never gave up on him, he suppresses Two-Face, and is healed. However, because of all of Dent's crimes, he never gets out of prison. He eventually gets cancer, thanks Bruce/Batman for all his help, and dies like his early 50s. So in Batman Beyond time, Dent has been dead for 30 years. I would have them recall the fun times they had while friends in his last hour. Two-Face's end would definitely deal with the friendship aspect and be a continuation of the episode "Second Chance" if I wrote it.

Clayface: Before Return of the Joker takes place, Tim Drake sets out to kill Clayface due to his vendetta against him for killing "Annie" in "Growing Pains". This episode would fill the void of being the first episode to explain in more depth Batman's "no killing policy". Drake would be determined to kill Clayface, Batman would stop him. This takes place AFTER Clayface's JL "Secret Society" appearance. This would add resonance to Drake's guilt for killing the Joker in ROTJ, since he almost killed Clayface previous to this (so now it's a trend that Drake is willing to kill enemies). After Drake almost kills Clayface, he fears Robin more than Batman, and basically decides ever since his car accident (while still Matt Hagen), his life has gone so down-hill that he jumps into the ocean and kills himself. Basically, Matt Hagen, who only "wanted to be normal again", totally gives up and commits suicide. Batman feels bad that Hagen never let him help him.

Ventrioloquist: He's cured. He's released from prison. Batman checks on him every now and then. They have a friendly, though uneasy relationship, but Arnold never turns back to crime. Enough said.

Man-Bat: Some villains need happy endings. I would have Kirk never become the Man-Bat again. However, his research continues to be stolen and used by other villains (JLU's Cadmus, Batman Beyond's "splicer" characters). In response, Kirk actually becomes an ally of Batman, helping him finds cures for half-human/half-animal criminals. He's invited to the batcave to help Batman research many times. Batman actually considers telling Kirk and his wife that he's Bruce Wayne, but never does. Kirk dies in a car wreck, a normal, true-to-life death.

Mad Hatter: The Mad Hatter's gadgets erase his memory. He lives normally from there on, but never remembers who he is. He ends up needing hospital care for the rest of his life, because he can't remember his life or how to do anything. His mind is cheese. Batman pays for all of it.

Riddler: The Riddler's ending, like Clayface and Two-Face, would be epic. Kinda like the "Hush" comic book series, I would have the Riddler try his best to come up with a massive plot to resurface as Batman's greatest foe. Batman goes through hell to figure out his riddle crimes, but defeats the Riddler, just before the Riddler kills him. Because of the Riddler's "greatest riddle ever" failing, he stops thinking he can beat Batman. The Riddler would then become insane, worshipping Batman as some kind of a god. So Batman ends up becoming disgusted with Nygma, since Nygma kisses the ground he walks.

Catwoman: I would definitely have Bruce/Selina's love life expand into something fruitful. Perhaps they almost get married, but her thrill of the chase gets the best of her, and Batman has no choice but to throw her in jail. She escapes though, and Bruce never sees her again. She's a cat that can't be tamed. Basically, Bruce and Selina could have lived happily ever after together, got married, had children, but only if Bruce would allow her to still be a thief. And he couldn't. So they break up. Batman kinda always knew where Selina was in the world, but he never goes after her.

Poison Ivy: I think it would be cool if a villain became the very thing she always used against her enemies. Therefore, it would be cool if due to some freak experiment, during her last battle with Batman, she actually BECOMES A PLANT, and is stuck that way permanently.

Clock King: After serving "Task Force X" (Suicide Squad) for five years, he retires from crime, and lives a pretty normal life.

Killer Croc: Not every villain can have an "epic" conclusion. I would say Killer Croc just got caught too many times and he serves his whole life in prison for a multitude of felony crimes.

Penguin/Rupert Thorne/Roland Dagget: All gangsters should share the same fate. Either they try for one last "score" and get caught big time by the police, or they go down in a blaze of glory (getting whacked by rival mafia families). I would have Penguin be gunned down ala Godfather style due to double crossing someone. Thorne would be blown up in a car bomb. Dagget is in prison serving three life sentences.

Greg

[pharmmajor]

Some criminal fates were covered in the "Batman Adventures" comics:

Riddler - in a coma after being stabbed by the Clock King

Clayface - Stuck in a concrete statue

Poison Ivy - retired to live with botanical scientist Alec Tolland (unsure if that's his name; the guy who became Swamp Thing)

Penguin's fate was never revealed, save for the fact that he was disgraced and had to resign from his position as Mayor. I would have liked to see Cobblepot, still reeling from his fall from grace, snap and launch a violent campaign of revenge against the Gotham politicians. He carries out drive-bys against city council members, plants bombs in their homes, culminating with his kidnapping of Hill and planning to kill him. Batman arrives before Penguin can murder Hill, and beats his foe quite badly. Cobblepot, disgraced at again losing to the "fancy athlete dressed as a bat," and ashamed of how he has degraded himself from a man of culture to a violent brute, commits suicide by cutting his throat with his umbrella blade.

[ITDEFX]

This is starting to become an intresting thread :)

[Squall]

Personally, I think that most of Batman's villians ended their career with a wimper, not a bang. Most probably got caught for the final time, and grew old and died either in Arkham or in prison. (Or in drug rehab on a ventilator, in Bane's case.)

Other than Joker and Ra's Al Guhl and maybe Two-Face, I don't see the final confrontations between Batman and many of his villians being that dramatic or unique.

[trayguy]

Would like to see the conclusion of Batman's villians. LIke Selina Kyle and Bruce Wayne finally getting married.
It is reveal that THE RIDDLERis a chain smoker and he dies of lung cancer.

[ITDEFX]

hmm bruce and selenia could get married, but then quickly divorced.

Riddler as a chain smoker,it could happen :)

[Invidente 7]

Hi,

This is NOT what I THINK happened to the villains, it's what I would MAKE happen to the villains if I wrote more Batman Beyond episodes myself.

Villains we know what happened to in batman beyond's time:

Ras Al Ghul: Killed his daughter, took over her body, then died.
Joker: Died (twice)
Talia: Killed by her father
Harley Quinn: Supposedly died, then layed low and disappeared.
Mr. Freeze: Felt so much guilt, he blew himself up.
Bane: Got venom poisoning, became a vegetable.

Here's what happens to all the villains during Batman's (Bruce Wayne) time.

Two-Face: I LOVE TWO-FACE and Harvey's "best friend" relationship with Bruce. Therefore, I agree Harvey should eventually find out Batman is Bruce Wayne. Then it all makes sense to him. Bruce, not Batman, has always been trying to help him. Due to the fact that Two-Face now realizes at least one friend never gave up on him, he suppresses Two-Face, and is healed. However, because of all of Dent's crimes, he never gets out of prison. He eventually gets cancer, thanks Bruce/Batman for all his help, and dies like his early 50s. So in Batman Beyond time, Dent has been dead for 30 years. I would have them recall the fun times they had while friends in his last hour. Two-Face's end would definitely deal with the friendship aspect and be a continuation of the episode "Second Chance" if I wrote it.

Clayface: Before Return of the Joker takes place, Tim Drake sets out to kill Clayface due to his vendetta against him for killing "Annie" in "Growing Pains". This episode would fill the void of being the first episode to explain in more depth Batman's "no killing policy". Drake would be determined to kill Clayface, Batman would stop him. This takes place AFTER Clayface's JL "Secret Society" appearance. This would add resonance to Drake's guilt for killing the Joker in ROTJ, since he almost killed Clayface previous to this (so now it's a trend that Drake is willing to kill enemies). After Drake almost kills Clayface, he fears Robin more than Batman, and basically decides ever since his car accident (while still Matt Hagen), his life has gone so down-hill that he jumps into the ocean and kills himself. Basically, Matt Hagen, who only "wanted to be normal again", totally gives up and commits suicide. Batman feels bad that Hagen never let him help him.

Ventrioloquist: He's cured. He's released from prison. Batman checks on him every now and then. They have a friendly, though uneasy relationship, but Arnold never turns back to crime. Enough said.

Man-Bat: Some villains need happy endings. I would have Kirk never become the Man-Bat again. However, his research continues to be stolen and used by other villains (JLU's Cadmus, Batman Beyond's "splicer" characters). In response, Kirk actually becomes an ally of Batman, helping him finds cures for half-human/half-animal criminals. He's invited to the batcave to help Batman research many times. Batman actually considers telling Kirk and his wife that he's Bruce Wayne, but never does. Kirk dies in a car wreck, a normal, true-to-life death.

Mad Hatter: The Mad Hatter's gadgets erase his memory. He lives normally from there on, but never remembers who he is. He ends up needing hospital care for the rest of his life, because he can't remember his life or how to do anything. His mind is cheese. Batman pays for all of it.

Riddler: The Riddler's ending, like Clayface and Two-Face, would be epic. Kinda like the "Hush" comic book series, I would have the Riddler try his best to come up with a massive plot to resurface as Batman's greatest foe. Batman goes through hell to figure out his riddle crimes, but defeats the Riddler, just before the Riddler kills him. Because of the Riddler's "greatest riddle ever" failing, he stops thinking he can beat Batman. The Riddler would then become insane, worshipping Batman as some kind of a god. So Batman ends up becoming disgusted with Nygma, since Nygma kisses the ground he walks.

Catwoman: I would definitely have Bruce/Selina's love life expand into something fruitful. Perhaps they almost get married, but her thrill of the chase gets the best of her, and Batman has no choice but to throw her in jail. She escapes though, and Bruce never sees her again. She's a cat that can't be tamed. Basically, Bruce and Selina could have lived happily ever after together, got married, had children, but only if Bruce would allow her to still be a thief. And he couldn't. So they break up. Batman kinda always knew where Selina was in the world, but he never goes after her.

Poison Ivy: I think it would be cool if a villain became the very thing she always used against her enemies. Therefore, it would be cool if due to some freak experiment, during her last battle with Batman, she actually BECOMES A PLANT, and is stuck that way permanently.

Clock King: After serving "Task Force X" (Suicide Squad) for five years, he retires from crime, and lives a pretty normal life.

Killer Croc: Not every villain can have an "epic" conclusion. I would say Killer Croc just got caught too many times and he serves his whole life in prison for a multitude of felony crimes.

Penguin/Rupert Thorne/Roland Dagget: All gangsters should share the same fate. Either they try for one last "score" and get caught big time by the police, or they go down in a blaze of glory (getting whacked by rival mafia families). I would have Penguin be gunned down ala Godfather style due to double crossing someone. Thorne would be blown up in a car bomb. Dagget is in prison serving three life sentences.

GregSo far in the thread, this is the best I've read, oh and by the way, I think the Ventrioloquist went back to a life of crime in the batman adventures comic but I'm not sure about it :shrug:

[Arrakhat]

Wait, are those comics canon to the series? And by the way, what was Riddler going to be used for in the nixed Catwoman/Batman Beyond DTV?

As for the other rogues, I don't how they deserve to be finished. I'd like to see Two-face cured somehow, and see Riddler have one last ultimate riddle.

[Trevor Balena]

Wait, are those comics canon to the series? Not as a general rule, no. But when the comics cover something that the cartoons don't, a lot of people tend to fill in the blanks using the information from the comics.

Also, the last "Batman Adventures" series was so well-received that many fans like to think of it as canon.

[MacGyver]

If the comics are canon to you, then we know what happened to Clayface. He

was mixed with concrete outside the premiere of the new Grey Ghost movie. He realized he wouldn't be able to change shape anymore, so he took one final form as Simon Trent as the Grey Ghost, since he was Hagen's hero as a boy.

[Gl_link]

I can see cobblepot gunned down for double crossing.

[Invidente 7]

I haven't seen him mentioned in this thread and he's one biggest threats the batman has ever faced, makes you wonder how will he end, my guess is that he had an accidental overdose with his own fear gas which reduced him to a scared little man for the rest of his life...so what's your guess? :)

[Mr. Joker]

With Scarecrow maybe after so many attemps to scare Batman and Gotham failing, maybe he just tooked an brake for an while and may of died from mixing an new fear chemical and forgot something for it.

Another villian I dont see here is Firefly. Any ideas on him?

[I-Am That Is]

With Scarecrow maybe after so many attemps to scare Batman and Gotham failing, maybe he just tooked an brake for an while and may of died from mixing an new fear chemical and forgot something for it.

Another villian I dont see here is Firefly. Any ideas on him?Burned to death.

[Wade Kruse]

He put in his ex-girlfriends CD and his head exploded.

[pharmmajor]

I'd like to think Firefly had a fate with some poetic justice. He was working on a new pyrotechnic compound that got out of hand and badly burned him. It didn't kill him, but his entire body was scarred and he was left disfigured. Unwilling to show his face, he resigns himself to living in his suit, making sure no one can see how hideous he's become. In addition, the accident leaves him with an intense fear of fire.

[Squall]

Since Firefly appeared on JL, I'll give him a JL-related fate: He did breifly date Volcana, after their next prison break; but in their hideout one night, Volcana caught him cheating on her with another woman. Guess what Volcana does to Firefly? :p

[CyborgRex]

I would like to see Two Face cured and become Dent again or at least fight for control of his mind.

[Anwar]

One idea I heard on the net over what happened to Dent was that he eventually was cured, and became sort of like his "Judge" persona so by the Batman Beyond timeline he was in a wheelchair but sentencing criminals as an actual judge.

[The Penguin]

One idea I heard on the net over what happened to Dent was that he eventually was cured, and became sort of like his "Judge" persona so by the Batman Beyond timeline he was in a wheelchair but sentencing criminals as an actual judge.I like that idea too. Veil1 (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/sections/fanworks/creations/Veil/) did a picture of Judge Dent (maybe it was Veil's idea too, I don't know) and it can be found in the World's Finest's Fanworks - Creations section (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/sections/fanworks/creations/). Veil does great work.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/sections/fanworks/creations/Veil/judge_dent.gif