Concerning the location of Metropolis and Gotham....

[The Guitar Slayer]

I believe that Gotham is definitely NYC, pre-Guiliani. Trust me, it is. The "daytime NYC=Metropolis/nighttime NYC=Gotham" thing doesn't work for me. Both Metropolis and Gotham have docks. I always thought of Gotham being NYC or maybe Chicago, especially in the '30s, the age of the mobsters. There seems to be a good distance between the two cities; Superman can fly to Gotham easily, but we rarely see Batman come into Metropolis unless it is for multiple days.

Therefore, I propose a theory: Metropolis is in California.

:eek: :confused:

Before the purists ban me, lemme explain.

I have never seen it snow in Metropolis on S:TAS. There was no Christmas episode for whatever reason. Maybe in the writers/animators minds, a Christmas in Metropolis would be hard to express. Why? It simply doesn't snow there.

Now think about Christmas in California. It's usually at least fifty degrees out in the middle and southern sections. People walk around in shorts/jeans and a tee-shirt all the time. The theme parks are open year-round, unlike Six Flags in Jersey. Doesn't look right for Christmas, does it? That could be the feeling the writers got for Metropolis.

Look at the episodes featuring Aquaman, "The Late Mr. Kent," and others featuring car bombs. Metropolis is a seaside city. Seem to be a lot of cliffs to drive off of...no snow...seemingly no winter. Mountains are nearby (ep. with Bizzaro). Caliornia has mountains and is seaside.

Of course, just because we don't see it snow doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Metropolis is a city of light, unlike Chicago, LA, or NYC; they seem darker almost by name. San Francisco would be the closest thing I could compare to the connotations I have for Metropolis. Perhaps I have less of a grasp of what San Francisco is now in comparison to the other cities mentioned.

Sooooo...my idea is Metropolis is somewhere in the Bay Area, and Gotham City is NYC or Chicago.

What say, folks? Please corrected me on any flawed info; CN hasn't aired S:TAS for at least 6-8 months, Batman for an even longer time, and I don't have anything whatsoever taped. :(

Peace and Rock 'n' Roll,
The Guitar Slayer :cool:


(hops off soapbox and goes back to the basement)

[The Game]

Not to say you are wrong (I can see you've put alot of thought into this), but I read on some official DC site that:

Gotham City is in New Jersey
and
Metropolis is in Maryland or something...

Just FYI

[Failure]

Whoo, we went through a whole argument/discussion about this maybe a month or two ago. You might want to try searching for it. Good theory though, that no snow thing is interesting.

Arguably, according to our old thread, Gotham is NYC (no argument from anyone there i think) and Metropolis is in Delaware. Now personally, I cant imagine Delaware being the home of such a bustling city, I've always thought of Metropolis as Chicago, but you're no snow argument throws a wrench in my idea.

It's kind of strange that no one else has really advocated either of those citites as being on the west coast.

[Karkull]

I still see them as both being New York...that's why DC Comics has never done a map of the U.S. before!

[Failure]

oh yeah... actually I've always thought of Metropolis as being an alternate NYC or Chicago.

[The Game]

Well yeah. That may be it officially, but I TOATALLY see Gotham as NYC. I literally thought that like forever, and it just seems perfect.

[The Guitar Slayer]

I based all of my reasoning on S:TAS and both Batman animated series. I'm not a comic book reader :eek: .

Yeah, yeah, but the microscopic town I'm in doesn't even have a comic book store :eek: :eek:

Scary, innit? They get Spiderman and X-Men down at the pharmacy (yup, not "drugstore," a "pharmacy"), but no Superman and maybe 1 Batman title (I think it is Batman).

I did see the old thread, and that's why I cooked up this idea. I didn't want to resurrect an old thread, and that one had already come to a conclusion. In the comic books, I think it does snow in Metropolis, but because of the way that Metropolis was presented in S:TAS, my brain said "California."

To thegame8866: the source that was found last time was for an RPG. Was that official DC? Just checking. :)

I think I can safely say that Metropolis and Gotham are more than one state, or at least one major airlines flight, away from each other.

[kid_flash]

It snows in Metropolis. Go read a comic book, it'll do ya good :)

And if ya don't have a comic book store, go to somewhere like http://convergencecomics.com/, which has better prices than most comic book stores. Can't recommend it enough.

[Stupendous Man]

Metropolis is in Deleware.
Gotham City is in New Jersey.


Both are East Coast cities.

Yes, It does indeed snow in Metropolis.
They've even had a blizzard or two our friend
Superman has had to help plow.

Yes , indeed DC comics has created a map of the
United States .

Yes , This is where DC has in their official capacity
declared their two fictitious cities to be.

These two locations are consistent with every minor
detail and story DC has ever told.

I know a lot of people have trouble with the idea
of Metropolis bieng in the state of Delaware.

Perhaps this will help explain why it has to be Deleware.

Metropolis has always been described as bieng the
biggest city in the state.

Now because of this you cant really place Metropolis in a
state that has a Major Metropolitan city.

Cant have Metropolis in the same state as Chicago or New York City.

However Delaware does not - to my knowledge (people from Delaware will probably start a protest) have a major - well known
city. Since we must have Metropolis on a coast ... preferrably east coast .. then Delaware is the best state to place this fictitious Metropolis.

At this point - I must say this is no longer up for debate.
DC has said this is so.
Even if you as a fan disagree ...it is still so.

It would be the same as saying :
"You know , I cant believe Batman's real name is Bruce.
Bruce isnt a manly enough name for someone as tough
as Batman . Maybee his name should be Jack."

Well as much as you as a fan would prefer Batman to be a
Jack - the reality is his name is Bruce.

Likewise ... as much as you as a fan would rather think of
Metropolis as being in California .. or New York City in the day time - the reality is its Metropolis and its in Delaware.

[James]

If you take the original marvel/DC crossovers as gospel which you'd have to be purely sick to do so then you'd see Spidey heading off on a trip to Metropolis proving once and for all to all those in the comicdom that New York isn't Metropolis and indeed at some point that some bright spark believed both Marvel and DC inhabited the same universe.

Duh..

Actually I'm sure there is an issue of Batman that has New York in it .... even if I'm making it up I'm sure there is... originally Bats was meant to be in NY but that was changed to Gotham.... has there been a New York mentioned in DC? Surely no one can say DC doesn't recoginize NY existence?

[Stupendous Man]

SSJ Posted
.... has there been a New York mentioned in DC? Surely no one can say DC doesn't recoginize NY existence?




Yes - New York City has been mentioned in the DC Universe.
In fact - the current Green Lantern resides and works out of NYC.

All real cities co-exist with DC fictitious cities.

Wonder Woman for example has in the past , and is currently operating out of Boston.

Yes you have seen Batman in NYC.
He ventures there upon occassion , giving futher credence to the
fact that NYC is close enough to Gotham for Bats to drive there.
Which it is since Gotham is in NJ

And although DC/ Marvel crossovers are hardly reliable sources
for DC trivia .. Spidey did take the bus to Gotham - which would be a feasible bus ride - NYC to Gotham(NJ)

[The Guitar Slayer]

Hold on, folks. I'm not disputing what the comics say. I don't read them enough to comment on them. Okay, so Metropolis ain't in California.

I was referring to the representation given in the animated series. The whole theory I had was based on the animated series and its interpretation of the comics alone.

Metropolis in the comics: According to DC and y'all, it's on the East Coast...not necessarily Delaware, or Virginia, but it's there.

Gotham City in the comics: Also according to DC and the people here, it's also on the East Coast...probably a state or two north of Metropolis.

Now in the animated series (S:TAS and the two Batman series), Gotham has a strong resemblance to NYC (pre-Guiliani) and Chicago. Big, dark, sinister-looking, lot of crime and twisted characters.

To me, Metropolis in the comics is in a different location than where they put Metropolis in the animated series.

Yes, it does snow there in the comics. I don't deny that. It doesn't in the animated series, which caused me to consider Metropolis in California.

Sorry for all the chaos this is causing.... :(

Actually, I'm not. :D This is interesting.

As long as this doesn't develop into a issue that'll divide the board, it's a good debate. It stimulates brain activity.

Peace and Rock 'n' Roll,
The Guitar Slayer :cool:

[ZorBrak]

I'm not to current with the comics but I always imagined Gothem to be on the Virgina Coast or somthing possibly even northern NC coast but bah I guess you guys would know-but then theres that God awful smallville where Metropolis is just a day drive away from Smallville Kansas LOL

[Stupendous Man]

URRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGG !!
<< Shakes fists in air !! >> ;)

There is no room for debate here ...

Metropolis is in Delaware
Gotham is in New Jersey
Men are from Mars
Women are from Venus

So DC has written ... So let it be accepted.

~

The comics always must be determined as gospel.
They are the source material.

In my opinion , if the Animated Series differ from the
comics - you should accept the comics as fact and the
animated series inconsistency as a mistake or reinvention.

Now as for the Superman Animated Series ... I didnt see every
episode so I cant comment as an expert .
But I did see quite a few, I dont think there was anything
specifically that would make it impossible for the show to have taken place in Delaware.

Though I will conceed that in one episode they had lois
driving on a mountain with paved roads.
That seems geography mores suited to west coast than
east coast ... but again whose to say that in the DC universe
the state of Delaware doesnt have mountains?

At any rate you really cant rely solely on the animated series.

The animated series is like an appetizer that should have
prepared you for the real meal - The comics.

I love seeing my favorite characters animated ...I love Batman Beyond - Justice League.

But the "Truth" is in the comics.

[zero zero nine]

why wouldn't they use real cities in the first place and AVOID the whole darn thing?!

[James]

Originally posted by zero zero nine
why wouldn't they use real cities in the first place and AVOID the whole darn thing?!

Possibly because if you ask which superhero lives in Gotham city you may have a chance of answer correctly compared to asking which superhero works in NY....

Gotham is part of making Batman unique to his legend my friend....

If this was a serious question which I doubt it was.... ;)

[FLIPMODE]

Hmm, You know , I've actually seen the DC map.

And I've seen Gotham and Metropolis Drawn in. They were quite close together, kind of Like NY and NJ.

And whent the comics say that Gotham is in NJ, I dont think they mean literally. I think they mean Gotham is physically in the place where NJ is on a map, but on the DC map, Gotham is there.

And what futher emphisizes that is, Gotham IS a state. There IS Gotham state. Upstate Gotham, Just Like NY. So NJ, and Gotham co-exist, I think they just Mushed NJ to the side, for the DC map.

But Im 100% sure the editors and so forth dont refer to Gotham as being a City in New Jersey.

So I just wanted to clear up, Gotham may be a in "place" of Jersey, not Inside of Jersey. Or else how can a state exist within a state?

Now that I think of it, the only thing that I dont get is, what is Bludhaven connected to? Is it Part of Gotham state?

[Livewire]

I really do live in Delaware(try and find that on a map)and I was thrilled to hear that DC located Metropolis here.My humble little state could use the attention. :yawn: Although it is true they never showed it snowing in S:TAS,I always thought it could.And to The Spirit,you are right.We don't have any major city.That is why we're the perfect state for Metropolis to be nestled in.Oh,and Guitar Slayer,the location of Metropolis was indicated in the show.In "Speed Demons",when the Weather Wizard was about to unleash the hurricane,the blinking red dot clearly showed it was on the East coast.Yes,even though we don't have mountains or seaside cliffs like California does, if S:TAS wants to give us some,you won't hear any complaints from me. :)

[Karkull]

Originally posted by The Spirit

Metropolis is in Deleware.
Gotham City is in New Jersey. [/B]

Superman: "hi. i'm in deleware."

[Snicker]

I still don't see it that way, but it doesn't really matter. Okay, that's their official locations...until a writer decides to contradict it and put them somewhere else. There's a reason why they don't tell us where they are very often (or at all).

[The Guitar Slayer]

If Gotham was in Jersey, I'd be there already. This miserable pathetic little 13,000 person town I live in...AAHHHGR! Frustrating. Don't even have a movie theatre. Think we got an LSD lab or two..that count for anything? :p :D Just kidding.

Well, since we got Gotham and Batman and Co., we better come up with a better state nickname for Jersey than "The Garden State." I don't think I've even seen a garden in Jersey. Lots of farms in NY and PA. Lots of....trees in NJ. Lot of factories, too.

The Dark Knight State. Much better. Any other suggestions? Now I got bragging rights, heh heh heh.

Peace and Rock 'n' Roll
The Guitar Slayer :cool:

Guess we better come up with a new nickname for Delaware, eh? What is its nickname anyway?

[Stupendous Man]

Originally posted by Flipmode
So I just wanted to clear up, Gotham may be a in "place" of Jersey, not Inside of Jersey. Or else how can a state exist within a state?



Gotham City is not a state , Its a city.

It is constantly referred to as a city.

Its politics , as shown in both comic book & animated
versions clearly reveal a city politic:

Mayor - Commisioner - These are city positions.

DC has not created different States in the U.S.

[kid_flash]

Someone asked why DC uses fictitious cities in the first place, and I think I can answer that: It's cooler. You can do whatever the heck you want to the cities (give 'em an earthquake, advance their technology on New Year's Day, whatever), and you don't have to worry about what's going on in the real world. I think (and this is just me) that if you use a real city in comics, it should look like the city in real life (kudos to Marvel and AMAZING SPIDER-MAN on touching on September 11th). Again, that's just me.

[Fantasie117]

Originally posted by The Guitar Slayer
If Gotham was in Jersey, I'd be there already. This miserable pathetic little 13,000 person town I live in...AAHHHGR! Frustrating. Don't even have a movie theatre. Think we got an LSD lab or two..that count for anything? Just kidding.

Well, since we got Gotham and Batman and Co., we better come up with a better state nickname for Jersey than "The Garden State." I don't think I've even seen a garden in Jersey. Lots of farms in NY and PA. Lots of....trees in NJ. Lot of factories, too.

The Dark Knight State. Much better. Any other suggestions? Now I got bragging rights, heh heh heh.

*applauds* Now I don't feel so alone ranting about the East Bumble-ness of New Jersey. (East Bumble is what my friend calls a place out in the middle of nowhere.)

And I second the re-nicknaming of New Jersey. We are not the Garden State anymore. I seriously doubt we've ever been a "Garden" State...I think they just ran out of nicknames when they came to us.

Now, so stay somewhat near the topic. According to that DC map, Gotham City is Atlantic City. Yeah...okay. That makes perfect sense. They couldn't but it near Perth Amboy or something? It had to be a corner of the state that no one cares about except people over 21 (and I am not over 21).

[FLIPMODE]

Ok, I believe you spirit.

But im confused, what's Gotham State University?

[Karkull]

Gotham City in New Jersey--there's a Kevin Smith film in there somewhere...:D...

[Stupendous Man]

Posted by FLIPMODE
Ok, I believe you spirit.

But im confused, what's Gotham State University?



Hey Flip.

Its probably just a State University located in Gotham City.

For instance Rutgers State University isn't in the state of Rutgers,
Rather its a New Jersey State University whose name is Rutgers.

Apparently Dick Grayson's grades werent good enough to get into Princeton. ;)
(that or Bruce wanted to keep him closer to Gotham).

[Ro 2026]

Isn't this like asking where Sprinfield is?

[Stupendous Man]

Originally posted by Ro 2026

Isn't this like asking where Sprinfield is?



You mean Springfield.

And the answer is New York State. ;)

[kid_flash]

There's also a Springfield in Oregon, and one in Illinois. I think Ro 2026 was talking about the Simpsons' Springfield, which doesn't have a state, or at least nothing that's been revealed.

[Ro 2026]

Sorry typo. Yeah that's what I meant. Basically the writters don't have a state that it's in. That's the point. But if you get real picky then you can disect wierd events from all sorts of episodes and apparently some crazy fans have narrowed it down pretty well. But I say let's just leave it as a mysterious city that's not really in any state. It's just kind of an amalgamation of a bunch of places.

Sort of like in Babe: Pig in the City (horrible flick) where they show the city that has all sorts of landmarks from a bunch of famous cities alongside each other.

[Stupendous Man]

LOL . ;)


I knew she meant the Simpsons.

I was teasing on knowing where the Simpsons' Springfield
was.

~

Ro was implying that wanting to know where Batman's Gotham
was is as silly as wanting to know where Homer's Springfield is.


I disagree only slightly.

It may be silly, but we all love these characters and the
interesting thing about pinning down where Gotham and Metropolis are is because as fans wed like to know how the relate to each other.

And the answer is :

Batman's in Jersey
Superman's in Delaware ;)

Homer Simpson is in a whole other universe and
therefore irrelevant to this conversation. :D

[Stupendous Man]

I meant to insert smileys above ... indicating im only 1/25th serious.

please insert them yourselves.

[Ro 2026]

But Homer prays to Superman in one episodes. Wouldn't we all like to know how likely it is that Superman actually heard his cries?

[Stupendous Man]

See Ro , now your nitpicking .

Did Superman actually hear his cries?
Did Superman actually answer him in that episode?

No he didnt.

Definitively proving that Superman is either in a completely different universe than Homer Simpson .... or simply busy at that
particular moment.

[The Guitar Slayer]

This has gone from my theory to others' theories to DC fact to why DC doesn't use real places to me complaining about Jersey to Kevin Smith film ideas (I hope he reads this one :). Bluntman and Chronic meet Batman and Robin....imagine....it's all possible now) to locations of other fictional towns to the Simpsons and their religious beliefs. :rolleyes:

What fun! :D :D I wonder if that's included in the Simpsons course that college is being offered....

Quick survey: would you take that course if offered at a nearby college? What other characters would you take it for?

Anybody know what Delaware's nickname is?

Peace and Rock 'n' Roll
The Guitar Slayer :cool:

[Stupendous Man]

Yeah Guitar ... this thread is almost as good as the one you got the idea from and copied verbatim. :)

[The Guitar Slayer]

Not verbatim, sir. I found no mention of the west coast whatsoever in the previous one. Yes, it did give me ideas, but my argument was completely different from the one used. I am insulted to think that you would suspect that I wasn't capable of thinking of something on my own. I have put up with your purist views long enough. :mad:

(silence)

(starts to snicker....)


lol :p :D

Good grief, I'm getting soft in my old age ;). I used to deliver that speech deadpan to any teacher who tried that one. Then again, I wanted them to think I was nuts and leave me alone. Not the case here, folks. :)


Peace and Rock 'n' Roll
The Guitar Slayer :cool:

Thanks for the bump, Spirit, but I already read it and "borrowed it." Such a nicer way of saying what you said. :)


(Turns toward rest of message board members)
Thought I was going to start something destructive and ugly, didn't you? :D

[Livewire]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Karkull


Superman: "hi. i'm in deleware."

[Snicker]

...............................................................................
Hey,what's so funny?Do you have a problem with my little state?DO YOU?!! HUH?!! ;) :D

We may not be as well-known as NY or California,but just as Wisconsin is famous for its cheese,and Pennsylvania for its Philly cheesesteaks,we're famous for our..umm..our..PEACHES!!Yeah,our peaches.They are,btw,our state fruit.

There.I feel better now. :p Uhh,I've gone WAY off topic,Haven't I?

BTW,our nicknames are "Small Wonder" and"The Blue Hen State"

[Karkull]

Maybe it's jealousy, livewire. I live in Maryland and you're all just a little uppity with your screen door factories and tax-free shopping!

:D

Just kidding. You're great neighbors, but I can't see Metropolis being there (even if it is true).

[Failure]

In the "Behind the Laughter" episode it said the Simpsons were a North Kentucky family. Could Springfield be in Kentucky?

[Nightflower]

Originally posted by Ro 2026
But Homer prays to Superman in one episodes. Wouldn't we all like to know how likely it is that Superman actually heard his cries?

Maybe Superman exists in the Simpsons universe.....as a comic book character! :eek:

[kid_flash]

Also, Homer once yelled for Maggie to get Aquaman when he was drowning. Interesting...

Oh, and Livewire: That "Hi, I'm in Delaware..." quote was from Wayne's World, which is one of the funniest movies in the world. Rent it. Better yet, rent the DVD. Even without the movie, the DVD's hilarious, especially after you've seen the movie.

[Toddman]

Just to clarify:

Metropolis is in Delaware and Gotham is in New Jersey according to the DC Comics role playing game atlas ONLY.

As far as I know, the locations of the cities have never been definitely revealed in the comic books. HOWEVER...the comics have depicted the town of Happy Harbor as being located in Rhode Island. And many early comics stated that Happy Harbor was just outside of Metropolis. That would mean that Metropolis is either in RI or in a state that boarders RI (which Delaware does not).

It is a fact, though, that both cities ARE on the east coast in the comics. New York City also exists as an entirely seperate city in the comics as well.

In the animated series, no state has been assigned to Metropolis, but in the episode "A Fish Story", the odd activity of marine life is said to be occuring on the eastern seaboard, providing proof that Metropolis is an east coast city.

A few Batman episodes have shown some characters' addresses, and Gotham is listed as being in New York state.

New York City has never been shown (or even mentioned) in any of the animated series. But there is a Statue of Liberty lookalike in Gotham and a UN lookalike in Metroplois, so NYC may not exist in the animated DC Universe.

By the way, does anyone remember how many miles was said that seperate Central City from Metropolis in the episode "My Girl"?

MARGE: "Homer! I've got someone here who can help!"
HOMER: "Is it Batman?"
MARGE: "No, it's a scientist!"
HOMER: "Batman's a scientist."
MARGE: "IT'S NOT BATMAN!"

Marge talking over the radio to Homer who is aboard a runaway monorail.

Toddman

[Stupendous Man]

Originally Posted by Guitar Slayer

Not verbatim, sir. I found no mention of the west coast whatsoever in the previous one. Yes, it did give me ideas, but my argument was completely different from the one used. I am insulted to think that you would suspect that I wasn't capable of thinking of something on my own.



Relax Guitar . Im not trying to start a war.

Cause really .. War - whats it good for?
absolutely nothing.

Hey - I'll say it again.

~

However ....

I fail to see how your arguement was different than the original thread.

In a thread that was debating where Metropolis & Gotham were located .. your theory was the west coast - so you started your own thread?

Why didnt you just post your west coast theory in the original thread?

I dont know what the forum etiquete is , but I would imagine
copying existing threads or failing to debate a question in the original thread which was still active is in bad taste.

All things considered - I didnt think it was a big deal and as you can see I was an active participant in your offshoot thread.

It was only after you kept patting yourself on the back for coming up with such an original thread that I took a smidge of offense.

At any rate ... We should both be happy.
You and I are both from New Jersey and weve definitively proven
Batmans one of ours.

[Stupendous Man]

Originally posted by Toddman

Metropolis is in Delaware and Gotham is in New Jersey according to the DC Comics role playing game atlas ONLY.



Todd ..

I agree that these two facts are only definitively stated in the
DC roleplaying game not definitively stated in the comic books.

Here however is my arguement for assuming these facts as gospel for the time being.

DC comics has to approve the use of its characters or any facts
represented in the DC RPG. This is not a task they take frivolously either.

Case in point : Smallville cant get the rights to use Lois Lane on their show with WB's approval. Even on a show like Justice League .. WB (i.e. DC parent company) wouldnt allow use
of the Justice Society of America - producers had to create a
generic team to replace it.

Bottom Line ... DC isnt frivilous about what they allow other people to do with their properties. So I would say that DC has
officially sanctioned the locations of Gotham and Metropolis
by RPG as fact.


My other point would be that - I believe the comics -as the original source - should always be taken as gospel.
If there is ever a discrepancy between the comics and another source (such as the animated series) the comics must always be deemed the true interpretation.

If the comics ever said that Metropolis was in Virginia as opposed to the RPG's Delaware - then I would say the RPG is wrong and adopt the comics take.

However as of this point the comics have not said anything that would debunk the RPG. In fact all comic evidence would seem to support this theory
(i.e. Metropolis & Gotham are east coast cities. Both relatively close to each other etc.)

Finally , I conclude till the comics say differently we adopt
Delaware and New Jersey as official locations.

[Toddman]

Originally posted by The Spirit

If the comics ever said that Metropolis was in Virginia as opposed to the RPG's Delaware - then I would say the RPG is wrong and adopt the comics take.

However as of this point the comics have not said anything that would debunk the RPG. In fact all comic evidence would seem to support this theory
(i.e. Metropolis & Gotham are east coast cities. Both relatively close to each other etc.)


I agree with that completely, Spirit. And New Jersey is a perfect home for Gotham (it would explain the close proximity of the swamp to the city). But that still leaves us with the "Metropolis-Happy Harbor-Rhode Island" dilemma.

Toddman

[Stupendous Man]

Originally posted by the Honaorable Toddman

I agree with that completely, Spirit. And New Jersey is a perfect home for Gotham (it would explain the close proximity of the swamp to the city). But that still leaves us with the "Metropolis-Happy Harbor-Rhode Island" dilemma



Was the "Rhode Island" issue brought up in a single comic?
What issue?

I think with comics you have to consider them as a whole.
A throw away line in a single issue may have just been the
whimsy of a single writer.

[Toddman]

Originally posted by The Spirit


Was the "Rhode Island" issue brought up in a single comic?
What issue?

I think with comics you have to consider them as a whole.
A throw away line in a single issue may have just been the
whimsy of a single writer.

Too true. But has been mentioned in sveral comics. As for which ones...oooh...you're gonna make me work for that aren't you? I will really have to take a look through my collection.

What I probably remember are issues of the original JLA series that placed Happy Harbor outside the Metroplois city limits. Then, years later when the Happy Harbor HQ was used in Justice League International and Doom Patrol and Young Justice, the location of Happy Harbor was consistantly placed in RI. I don't know if those writers remembered that the early JLA comics placed HH next to Metropolis or not, but there was never anything written to contradict the location until the RPG game atlas was published.

But when I get the chance, I'll look through a few issues and see what I can dig up.

Toddman

[The Guitar Slayer]

Relax Guitar . Im not trying to start a war.

Cause really .. War - whats it good for?
absolutely nothing.

Hey - I'll say it again.

~

However ....

I fail to see how your arguement was different than the original thread.

In a thread that was debating where Metropolis & Gotham were located .. your theory was the west coast - so you started your own thread?

Why didnt you just post your west coast theory in the original thread?

By the time I read the thread, it had already left the first page or two. I'm sorry if I irritated you by posting a new one, but I remember all the flak people would get on the old WB board for resurrecting old stuff sometimes, the last one I regularly read. My apologies to anyone offended by this comparison or by the fact that I made up my own thread.

The rant you've quoted was a joke, Spirit. Perhaps it was improperly executed, but if you read all of my posts, you would see that I admit that I cooked up the idea when I read the original post. I also typed that in the last post. I was goofing with you, Spirit, no malice whatsoever. I knew what you meant when you posted the verbatim line. I took your cue and tried to make a joke with it. Unfortunately, I don't think you got it.

I don't want a war either. For heaven's sake, I write "Peace and Rock 'n' Roll" at the end of my posts, and I do indeed mean it. I quote the doors' songwriters, who were very anti-war themselves. I'm not a pacifist, but I don't exactly go looking for it either (at least, not intentionally).

Spirit, this was the first thread I ever, ever posted here other than the "Greetings" one. Whatever etiquette mistakes that were made were made in ignorance. My sincere apologies. No rolling of the eyes or tongue sticking out.


At any rate ... We should both be happy.
You and I are both from New Jersey and weve definitively proven
Batmans one of ours.

Indeed, my dear sir :). Toddman does bring up a good point about the RPG, though, one that I asked about earlier in this thread because it had been brought up in the other one.

Dude, if this gets messy, the moderators will not hesitate to shut it down. I don't want that; I think it is a good, healthy debate as long as we don't get nasty.


Peace and Rock 'n' Roll
The Guitar Slayer

[The Mad Hatter]

Yup, this is a thread that has me a little nervous, and I'm keeping an eye on it. But, the confusion over the joke aside, the debate has been going well. Honestly, this is how things should go... insightful points, intelligent counter-points and respect on all sides. I'd also like to give Guitar Slayer kudos for going out of her (I THINK you're a her) way to keep things civil and friendly. Keep it up, guys!

[The Guitar Slayer]

(I THINK you're a her)

Yep.

[Memphis Bleek]

Metropolis was Los Angeles
Gotham was New York City

[The Guitar Slayer]

Oh, boy, here we go again. :D

How ya doing, man?

Peace and Rock 'n' Roll
The Guitar Slayer :cool:

[D-Mono]

While I know nothing about American cities, my friends and I always presumed Gotham was like an Bizarro New York, and Metropolis was Washington D.C. But, hey, I'm only a silly foreigner. :D
D-Mono.

[tulok]

DC put out a magazine in the late-70s/early-80s called "The Amazing World of DC Comics". One of the issues involved the then-JLA. In the background section for each hero they mentioned their base cities, including states:

Metropolis is in Delaware

Gotham City is in Jersey (in fact, there was a 70s issue of Detective Comics which mentioned that Gotham was directly across the river from NYC, kinda like Minneapolis/St. Paul. In other words, Gotham City is just a grown-up NEWARK!)

Central City (and, unless they're separated by the Ohio River, Keystone City) is in Ohio

Hawkman's old town of Midway City is in Michigan

Smallville is indeed in Kansas

Happy Harbor was in Rhode Island

and Coast City (RIP) was in California (I've always imagined it on the coastline about midway between Santa Barbara & San Jose)

Now, the Crisis obviously changed some of this around (the post-Crisis Happy Harbor, for example, was just outside Metropolis), but these were the official locations for some of the cities, pre-crisis, as they were in a magazine written by the staff of and published by DC Comics.

[Fantasie117]

Originally posted by tulok
Gotham City is in Jersey (in fact, there was a 70s issue of Detective Comics which mentioned that Gotham was directly across the river from NYC, kinda like Minneapolis/St. Paul. In other words, Gotham City is just a grown-up NEWARK!)

Newark??

Oh well....at least it's not Atlantic City...

[The Guitar Slayer]

I think in terms of appearance and crime that Paterson is closer to Gotham. Also, you can see the Manhattan skyline from there; it is also literally across the river from NYC. Either would make sense....they are as close to NYC as they can get without being NYC.

Hope that made some sense.

Peace and Rock 'n' Roll
The Guitar Slayer :cool:

[Cassandra]

sigh...
New Jersey and Deleware?!
Let the party begin.