Anyone think WF will be mentioned in "Injustice for all"?

[DerekPowers]

since the joker and lex couldnt play nice in world finest, do you think that encounter will be mentioned in the upcoming injustice for all? do you think lex will be warry of a double-cross from mr. j? i wonder how their relationship will be handled, but i definately think they should atleast make reference to wf, if only to appease the hardcore fans. what do you think?

[James Harvey]

I think it's very possible that the Joker and Lex will mention, although not directly, thei events of World's Finest. It's be a nice nod to fans as well as keep that continuity a bit more established.

[Karkull]

Personally, I'm still betting that Luthor recruited the Joker for one reason: he wants to kill him. He's just waiting for the right moment.

[The Penguin]

I agree with DG, I think it will be mentioned in passing but I don't think it will be dwelled on (keep in mind they still need to work together). Batman & Superman seemed to have met before in "Secret Origins" so I would expect the same from Joker & Lex.

[Karkull]

Originally posted by The Penguin
I agree with DG, I think it will be mentioned in passing but I don't think it will be dwelled on (keep in mind they still need to work together).

Why? Luthor could have recruited any of Batman's enemies. Why specifically the Joker--the one who ruined his plans and nearly got him killed?

[The Penguin]

Originally posted by Karkull


Why? Luthor could have recruited any of Batman's enemies. Why specifically the Joker--the one who ruined his plans and nearly got him killed?

This is where we get into the fact that is very little if any continuity between the shows. It may not make much sense to more hardcore fans that way, but that's the nature of the beast.

[Joe Tully]

Yup, gotta agree with DG and Penguin. As for why the Joker--no one knows Batman better than him, and no one's come closer to taking him down (excluding maybe Ra's, but I don't think that he's for sale) Also, if fan theories are correct, it might not be Lex's decision to put Joker on the team...

It might be Darkseid's

I think that we might get something like Lex saying, "I don't trust him, but I think that he's necessary for the plan. I'll have to keep an eye on him though." Or something like that which could allude to the past betrayal for those who want to count World's Finest in the same continuity.

[Karkull]

But Darkseid has nothing to do with the Injustice Gang...his team is the Secret Society (which might be next season).

And I get the impression that there is continuity between the shows...it's just played very loosely as to not bog down the show.

[James Harvey]

Maybe Luthor will have that "keep your friends close, but your enemies closer" thing going on. Then again - acording to Timm - he is basically insane now, a "mad" scientist. Timm said:

"What we've done with Luthor is kind of fun," Justice League producer Bruce Timm said. "Again, kind of going back to James' (Tucker, producer) concept of being true to the kind of wild DC Comics roots - you either love it or you don't and we kind of love it - we thought we had done enough stories with Luthor being the corporate tycoon. That was fine in the 90s, but yeah we've done it, and then we did it Batman Beyond again with Derrick Powers, so we needed a new take on Luthor.

"So we thought to bring him back to his basics, so he's kind of the old mad scientist/super-villain Luthor. In fact, he's wearing the Super Powers era power-suit, slightly modified, and there's a reason in the story for why he has to wear the suit.

"We actually have his other look, his old classic purple and green outfit. And there's even a part of the story where he's in prison, so we get to do the Curt Swan prison garb."

"We had eight villains in this story, but it's Luthor's story, really," Timm said.

Could his derangement have something to do with him hiring the Joker, maybe? Then again, he may not be as "mad" as he is being made out to be. He could be perfectly sane (to en exctent) but is pulling the wool over our eyes...it's hard to say, really. I'm anxious to see how this plays out.

[The Mad Hatter]

Very true, desperation will make you do things you wouldn't think possible, like teaming up with someone who double-crossed you.

Me, I'm looking forward to hearing what they did to Luthor...

[JLU Dude]

I really hope make referrences to WF

[the green flashlight]

I think that his current condition will have to do with Kryptonite poisoning. In the comics, Luthor gets cancer from wearing a Kryptonite ring. This could explain why Luthor has to wear the suit.

One thing that I think would be cool is if in this time period Luthor's corporate empire has fallen. This would make Luthor an even more dangerous villian because he would be consumed with wanting vengence for everything he had being taken away from him.

I think it would be neat to see him more like the Superman: The Movie Luthor in that he is in hiding.

[Ed Liu]

Howdy all,

One other possibility that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the Joker wasn't invited to join the IG (maybe even explicitly barred by Luthor), but hears about them anyway and jumps in on his own. It would be like him to show up uninvited, wouldn't it? He's also useful enough to keep around once he's there and dangerous enough not to cross by telling him to take a hike.

Just a thought.

-- Ed/Ace

[Karkull]

It's a very convincing theory, Ace the Bathound, but I really don't see an 800-pound albino gorilla, a man who controls darkness, and a woman who can manipulate purple energy being too afraid of a skinny clown man.

Okay, maybe if the Joker did his homework and researched each member closely for weaknesses, but still...

[metaphysician]

Originally posted by Karkull
It's a very convincing theory, Ace the Bathound, but I really don't see an 800-pound albino gorilla, a man who controls darkness, and a woman who can manipulate purple energy being too afraid of a skinny clown man.

Okay, maybe if the Joker did his homework and researched each member closely for weaknesses, but still...

But thats just it. They aren't afraid of a skinny clown man. They're afraid of the Joker, a madman with a reputation for causing massive destruction and being utterly, unpredictably dangerous. Insanity can be VERY intimidating, and an insane genius even moreso, because most of intimidation is confidence. The Joker WILL be confident, and, with his reputation, no one will know whether its a bluff or not ( possibly including the Joker himself ). The stuff he's done before should make sure most of the Gang stay in the "fear" area of "fear vs. hate" ( excepting probably Luthor, who's arrogant enough to believe he can figure the Joker out ).

[Karkull]

Very true, but I still think that Solomon Grundy would just smoosh him.

[peterparker05]

Originally posted by Karkull
Very true, but I still think that Solomon Grundy would just smoosh him.

I don't think the Joker would ever get himself in a position where Grundy could smoosh him. Even then, he spray Grundy with acid, shock him with a hand buzzer, etc.

[kid_flash]

That wouldn't be much more than a bruise for Grundy. He's not exactly human, more of a creature. He's big and powerful, and incredibly hard to stop. If he was mad enough, acid and joy buzzers wouldn't bother him.

[Ed Liu]

Howdy all,

My original premise was based on what metaphysician stated explicitly -- they know the Joker is a mass murderer, and don't REALLY know what he's capable of.

However, I think a spin on Karkull's addition would work, too. When you've got as much power flying around as the Injustice Gang does, what's the harm in letting the funny purple clown man tag along? OK, OK, he's a completely psychopathic, certifiably insane, mass-murdering funny purple clown man, but hey, he's good for a laugh at the very least. Besides, maybe they think they can just get Solomon Grundy to squish him if he gets out of line.

Hmmm...now that I think about it, maybe that's why they let Marvin, Wendy, & Wonderdog hang around with the Superfriends...

Anybody know what was the rationale for getting the Joker in the Rock of Ages storyline, and how did they keep him under control there? Luthor & the Joker did cross paths (and each other) in that World's Finest 3-issue limited by Steve Rude a few years back, which wasn't an Elseworlds story, so in theory they have at least a similar history in the comics.

-- Ed/Ace

[Karkull]

If I recall, Luthor actually struck the Joker once in the Rock of Ages story. The Joker let it slide, however. Luthor brought him on board as an expert on Batman.

As for Luthor, at that particular point they were almost friends--having teamed up during the Underworld Unleashed mini-series. Now, I know that their "friendship" in the comics has changed (I don't think that Luthor appreciated being turned into a clown during The Last Laugh), but I remember Luthor's comment about Joker in JLA #36:

Prometheus: "So, what's the Joker like?"

Lex Luthor: "Frighteningly sick in the head...but strangely compelling company."

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by the green flashlight
I think that his current condition will have to do with Kryptonite poisoning. In the comics, Luthor gets cancer from wearing a Kryptonite ring. This could explain why Luthor has to wear the suit.

Luthor is supposedly driven insane by the Krypontite he's been in possession with. The radiation it emits just rocks him off his rocker. He gets through in jail, too, for an unexplained reason. I assume he gets busted out by an Injustice Gang member.