Wally Gator and Quickdraw coming to DVD?

[JCorey3rd]

tvshowsondvd.com is reporting that WHV guys mentioned that their upcoming DVDs will be Quickdraw McGraw and Wally Gator.

Accoring to what I've found out, there were 45 episodes of Quickdraw (with Augie Doggie & Doggie Daddy plus Snooper and Blabber) and 52 episodes of "Hanna-Barbera New Cartoon Series (with Wally, Lippy the Lion & Hardy Har Har, Touche Turtle and Dum Dum)

Who know how they'll bust up these titles or if they'll bit the bullet and give us all the episodes in one boxset. I prefer the all at once collection - who knows when they will put out part two of Huckleberry Hound.

And for those keeping score on HB short shows - this leaves Atom Ant/Secret Squirrel, Peter Potomas & Magilla Gorilla to be tapped.

[Daffy Dork]

I'm really proud of WB for getting these sets out so quickly. I can't wait for these. :D

[loveboomerang]

52 episodes of "Hanna-Barbera New Cartoon Series (with Wally, Lippy the Lion & Hardy Har Har, Touche Turtle and Dum Dum)

Thats 52 episodes for each series, right ?

[JCorey3rd]

Thats 52 episodes for each series, right ?

No. Each episode of the HB New Cartoon Series contained each one of the three cartoons - like how the Huckleberry Hound show had Huck, Yogi and Pixie & Dixie.

[PaulNJ21]

Do you think the quality of the Wally Gator cartoons will look better than they show on Boomerang? While I'll still probably get it regardless, the Wally Gator stuff always looks like it is washed out.


Paul

[Teknomancer]

Do you think the quality of the Wally Gator cartoons will look better than they show on Boomerang? While I'll still probably get it regardless, the Wally Gator stuff always looks like it is washed out.
I think it will. As usually the DVD one's seem to have improved image quality. And you're right Wally always looked fadded and 'old'...

[Brettfern]

I won't pick these up since they are on Boomerang all the time!

[loveboomerang]

No. Each episode of the HB New Cartoon Series contained each one of the three cartoons - like how the Huckleberry Hound show had Huck, Yogi and Pixie & Dixie.

OK, got it. Thanks.

Seeing how I've invested $3.00 for 3 blank tapes, I'm going to continue taping Wally off Boomerang, and hold off on any possible DVD, until its really cheap on ebay one day (IF its ever released)

[Teknomancer]

OK, got it. Thanks.

Seeing how I've invested $3.00 for 3 blank tapes, I'm going to continue taping Wally off Boomerang, and hold off on any possible DVD, until its really cheap on ebay one day (IF its ever released)I've planned to do something similar by hooking my cable into my PC's TV Tuner card and recording it straight into digital form.

[loveboomerang]

I've planned to do something similar by hooking my cable into my PC's TV Tuner card and recording it straight into digital form.

Yup, thats a good thing to do. That or TIVO. Only problem for me, is with the amount of recording we do, there isnt enough time to put it all on DVD in time, before the hard drive is all filled up.

[Teknomancer]

Yup, thats a good thing to do. That or TIVO. Only problem for me, is with the amount of recording we do, there isnt enough time to put it all on DVD in time, before the hard drive is all filled up.Well, that isn't a problem for me because I only record classics (I don't get Boomerang I record the few classics that CN still shows) and the rest of the time it's anime or cartoons that I hate... :D

[Wanted]

EDIT - The whole point of them releasing these boxed sets is for you to buy it (or at least consider doing so). Recording the shows for your personal collection, and then not buying the DVD when it is released certainly doesn't send a good message to the distributors. I have a feeling this is why they yank shows off of TV when they're getting ready to release boxed sets... to hype the fanbase.

this message regards only boxed sets... don't waste your money on singles
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Who know how they'll bust up these titles or if they'll bit the bullet and give us all the episodes in one boxset. I prefer the all at once collection - who knows when they will put out part two of Huckleberry Hound.I doubt they'll do it in one box... though, it would be nice to see them attempt it (just to see what an animated seven-disc boxed set looks like [pretty gargantuan on my shelf]).

[loveboomerang]

EDIT - The whole point of them releasing these boxed sets is for you to buy it (or at least consider doing so).

Yes, I suppose it IS, And I'll do so if (A) It's ever released on DVD & (B) When its cheap and used on ebay. Considering the fact, that i've taped half of them already off of Boomerang, I dont see the rush to buy it new as it hits the shelves ... and i've taped when there was no thought of an official release coming out ... so i wont throw away my effort.

Considering all the dissapointments that seem to come with many new DVD sets, I feel a lot better taping shows off my dish. If this hurts the pockets of the big executives out there, and they yank shows off the air ... so be it.

But lets not debate over a box set that may or may not come out.

[JCorey3rd]

I've been trying to figure out how many boxsets H-B would be releasing under this series - since there are several cartoons that they either have no control over because of character rights issues (Addam's Family) or figure there is so little demand, why burn the shelf space (Roman Holidays). This series as far as 4 DVDs doesn't have that far to go.

The faster WHV puts out the HB shows on DVD, the less complaints they have to take about Boomerang's programming. Since their big answer when someone complains about a lack of "The Flintstones" is "if you care that much, why don't you buy the DVDs." I used to do that with nasty request callers when I worked at a radio station. Of course the bad part about this is that in the near future, people will be able to create their own online cable stations and use these remastered DVDs for their content. They've already created devices that can let you remotely activate your cable box from your computer.

I just want them to come out with a Banana Splits special edition - including the segments that were created for the 2nd season.

And I don't see how anyone can be happy with the quality of the Wally Gator's shown on Boomerang.

And as far as "But lets not debate over a box set that may or may not come out" goes - what's the point of not debating speculation? Otherwise what would ESPN do for 70 percent of their program if they merely talked about the outcome?

[loveboomerang]

And I don't see how anyone can be happy with the quality of the Wally Gator's shown on Boomerang.

For a cartoon that is aired strictly as a fill-in between actual programming ... and since its not aired anywhere else as far as I know ... isnt it better than NOTHING ?!

Other than a cartoon complete-ist, who must have everything and in mint condition, for no other reason, other than JUST having it, is Wally Gator "must have" TV ?



And as far as "But lets not debate over a box set that may or may not come out" goes - what's the point of not debating speculation? Otherwise what would ESPN do for 70 percent of their program if they merely talked about the outcome?

I guess it depends how seriously you take your sports / cartoons :-)

[Teknomancer]

EDIT - The whole point of them releasing these boxed sets is for you to buy it (or at least consider doing so). Recording the shows for your personal collection, and then not buying the DVD when it is released certainly doesn't send a good message to the distributors. I have a feeling this is why they yank shows off of TV when they're getting ready to release boxed sets... to hype the fanbase. I record them for one reason. here in India we don't get the DVDs like you guys get over there. Simple. I will buy the DVD if it comes here even If I have the stuff recorded because I presume the DVD will be of higher quality.

And India's Cartoon Network is the worst CN in the entire world. Their choice of programs are downright boring (didn't use harsh words as I don't think the rules allow it) and they do NOT provide Boomerang in India either.

So whenever pogo or Cartoon Network airs a classic cartoon (very very rarely) I record it. I don't see anything wrong with that, and I don't care much for CN anymore as they were the ones who stopped showing Boomerang on CN and made it an inaccessible channel for so many people outside the US/UK and thus this is my only choice. I don't see anything wrong with this because whether I record or NOT I don't ever see Cartoon Network bringing back the classic cartoons and I've only begun to record AFTER they stopped showing the classics otherwise I would never have recorded as it is frankly a painfully tedious process.

[Wanted]

I record them for one reason. here in India we don't get the DVDs like you guys get over there. Simple. I will buy the DVD if it comes here even If I have the stuff recorded because I presume the DVD will be of higher quality.

And India's Cartoon Network is the worst CN in the entire world. Their choice of programs are downright boring (didn't use harsh words as I don't think the rules allow it) and they do NOT provide Boomerang in India either.

So whenever pogo or Cartoon Network airs a classic cartoon (very very rarely) I record it. I don't see anything wrong with that, and I don't care much for CN anymore as they were the ones who stopped showing Boomerang on CN and made it an inaccessible channel for so many people outside the US/UK and thus this is my only choice. I don't see anything wrong with this because whether I record or NOT I don't ever see Cartoon Network bringing back the classic cartoons and I've only begun to record AFTER they stopped showing the classics otherwise I would never have recorded as it is frankly a painfully tedious process.Oh, I understand your reasons.

[rubbles reef]

I HAVE HEARD OF NO RELEASE DATE ON THIS!!

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[Steve Carras]

Here's some more commentary on the pre-Hoyt Curitn (i.e., the "John Seely Associates" era stock music)..


First of all, Jerry Beck's carotonresearch.com 's (separation to ensure linkage,y'know) site ANIMATION SHOW: ANIMATION HISTORY forums (not actually hosted by him) sire's bakc up,this is from 2003 to me:
(ANALYTICAL FINDINGS..BLUE RIBBON)
From Ray Pointer (ANIMATION SHOW FORUMS)
In my experience with library music, many of the music themes used by Screen Gems came from a company called Muisc For FIlms, also. The cartoons in the QUICK DRAW show used themes from the Sam Fox Library and also Jack Shaindlin. The Shaindlin themes were the chase themes used in these cartoons. The Shaindlin library was last used in a series of Fox Movietone video packages presented as "Lowel Thomas Remembers" made in the early 80s. Since then the master tapes of these musical themes have deteriorated.
(emnd quote)
My commentsd,esp,if Mr.Pointe is reading.

Since then I found that the Philip Green British EMI Photoplay Library was responsible for mahy of our favorite themes, including (in Warner Bros. WEASEL WHILE YOU WORK, "Comedy Circus". THIS, not Shaindlin's "TOBOGGAN RUN-see below"-=is Foghorn Leghorn's music there. It plays in many SUPOER AND BALBBER shorts and can be found on the now out of print 1994 RHINO HANNA BARBERA PIC A NIC BASKET SET VOL.1 under SNOOPER AND BLABBER,at the end, which i own. I;s AFIAK Phil Green's ONLY real chase music though he did composoe SILVER SPURS and THEY'RE OFF also used there (I got those titles from http://www.apmmusic.com (http://www.apmmusic.com/) in KPM).

The Jack Shaindlin tunes ARWE mostly avaible, thougn not the belvoed TOBOGGAN RUN or A MIDSUMMER NIGHTMARE or ahy of the yummy QUICK DRAWS Ray Pointe rmentionedin http://www.apmmusic.com (http://www.apmmusic.com/) in CINEMUSIC,all volumes, Personall,ty those QUICK DRAW themes were the best chase music one had to offer and at least ONE AUGIE DOGGIE--HIGH AND LFIGHTY, closed with that one chase theme--even a YOGI--the space bear episode, DANG what is the title, the one with the villianous Yogi imposter--at the end that tune qas used--used in the famed Quick Daw meets Snapplepuss epsiode ("I am Snaggletooth even!).

The JohN Seely services, as I've noted before began as a attempt by Capitol in 1949 (?) to unite music of Sam Fox (as Ray said in the "ANIMATION SHOW FOURM" message quoted)- http://www.cartoonresearch.com (http://www.cartoonresearch.com/) ) and breifly said, folkks Shaindlin's music were among the most used before Seely and partners William Geo.Loose and Jack Cookerly started their actual in house operation---Jack Shaindlin's "Langlois Film Music Library" stock music peice, later in the (COINCIDENTALLY-titled, folks!) H-0B favorite with the Meeces, Pixie and Dixie, titled PIXIE PRANKS, can be hear din MAN Y old shows like OZZIE AND HARRIET, TOPPER and others!

Then Seely and the above partners (Loose and Cookerly) started their own music library circa 1956, and started,let's just say,another phase around 1959 called the Produciton Music services,both of which involved the three mentioned plus Emil Cakdin and Harry Bluestone (more about them below; they usually worked together as a team); Louis DeFrancesco (well, http://www.imbd.com (http://www.imbd.com/) says so anyhow), Mahlon LeGrand Merrick (thanks, Dave Sheilds and THE HISTORY OF PRODUCTION music), Ed Lund (thanks, Dave mackeyt in a personal letter to me), george Hormel, Spencer Moore (my favorite of the inhouse Seely stable!), Clarence Wheeler (YES, the WOODY/Walter LantZ guy),and so many more. Sam Fox, OK, Synchro, EMI phortplay, Langlois,etc.these were all at time or another in the serivces of JSA..and a numebnr were on HANNA BARBERA and thsoe six WB shorts (WEASEL WHILE YOU WORK, Sept. 1958, A BIRD IN A BONNETT, HOOK-LINE-& STINKER both from OCt.1958, PRE-HYSTERICAL HARE, GOPHER BROKE both from Nov.1958 and HIP HIP HURRY from Dec.,1958 because of a infamous music strike at the time..)-and of course were used in GUMBY and DAVEY AND GOLIATH (among toehr properties,even amusement parks!).

Often times a tune in one liubrary,usually not JohN Seeky's, like the famerd RUFF AND RREDDY/HUCK trilogy chase music (think SLUMBER PARTY SMARTY in the last scene)--WATRER SKIS, would be reworked for Seely--the first version,btw is credited to Seely and Bill Loose--turns out they wrote for other libraries but the use of a stable of composers in almost all libraries referred to does create confusion (exceptions being Philip Green and Jack Shaindlin who controlled and supplied music to their own libraries). There are some that say, JOE BLOW would write for OK then sell to SEELY but then SEELY or EMIL CADKIN or ED LUND or HARRY BLUESTONE would rearrange and get credit for. Supposedly some also point out that Seely's only job was his executive positionl though he's eulogized as a pianist (the Oakland obit when he died;he was a native)

Back to QUICK DRAW--

Philip Green's famed COMEDY CIRCUS, - CUSTARD PIE CAPERS, is seemingly in EVERY SNOOPER and BALBBER tiill 1960, and COMEDY WALKER (also heard in: BOO BOO AND THE AMN still found on http://www.adultswim.com (http://www.adultswim.com/) ), MY THREE SONS (at the start of EVERY episode, after "Frank DeVol' music ends, I belvie DeVOl also did music for many low budget Tv cartoons without being credited and possibly for Capitol/Seely?)-and also in WEASEL WHILE YOU WORK by Warner Bros., underneahtr the opening

Emil Cakdin and Harry Bluestone did the string music on AUGIE as I found out (thanks to BlakeWolverton on BIG CARTOON DATABASE,sadly he was banned unceremoniously, and thanks once again to http://www.apmmusic.com (http://www.apmmusic.com/), this time around in CARLIN ARCHIVES SERIES. Hard to beleive how many "Augie mah Boy": tunes were in there!:"

There is a much used string peice called HAPPY HOME by those two, a sort of two note tune that appears in dang near EVERY one of their shorts.

Again, Phil Green (UK) also contributed a lot of favorite.s Due to his esatate being eaisder to deal with, you only hear his music in reference point to the Capitol stock music, in that aforementioned RHINO package, and AFAIK Philip Green's music didn't really show up much in the RUFF AND REDDY,HUCK/YOGI/JINKS series, only in QUICK DRAW/AUGIE/SNOOPER & BLABBER. But the Warner Bros. and Clokey shorts used a lot of them, and also Clokey, it seems used more than HB or WB from what I know, the Sam Fox OK music, and that would also apply to another seciton of Seely/Capitol Hi-Q written by two of the same guys, Emil Cadkin and Bill Loose (who with Jack Cookerly's credited for the OK library.)

In early Huck toons, some of Syncrho's music's used (not counting the much used WATER SKIS which was in a sax version--this is the one with strings ewnding (LITTLE BIRDMOUSE, KING SIZE SURPRISE,(w/Jinks & "The Meeces") and SLUMBER PARTY SMARTY (w.Yogi) and is NOT to be co9nfused say,with Jack Shaindlin's also-used TOBOGGAN RUN (think the proto-Hokey wolf blowing down the pigs hosues in OINKS AND BOINKS w/YOGI, or George Hormel';s tune used in HOME SWEET JELLYSTONE w/guess wwhen the ranger runs to Yoghi's asssitance! This catchy tune is also used in the infamous POWDERED TOASTMAN ep. of REN AND STIMPY when PTM unites the funny little man with the ponted hat!:p ).

The Syncro-library pices used here were an unittled fast gallop--no idea who wrote it, used in TOUGH LITTLE TERMITE [Lousi DeFrancesco;' his cues are partly in CARLIN but recredited to "Lee Jacobsthe tune in LION TAMRR HUCK at the beginning---and ritish composer Dave Buttolph's THE COCKEYED COLONEL. (both were used a few times in Gumby)

Jack Shaindlin is a longtime favorite of mine and of HB back in the da.y.his music would include besides the needle-dorps mentioned...alos, RELUCTANT ELEPHANT-two parts,with a cut, in HOME SWEET JELLYSTONE right beofre George Hormel (reporteldy related to the famed food Hormel family) theme I mention, and in many HB shorts with Ruff and Reddy, Yogi,Huck and those Meeces, but NEVER Quick Draw, Snoop or the two Doggies.. and also FUN ON ICE (in HWS--"Oh..yes..it;s that kindly mister ranger sir. How are YOU sir.." heh he..SLAM!)


Many of the Jack Shaindlin cues seem WRITTEN with the HB cartoons in mind! (Not surprisngly perhaps those were among those that Clokey and Looney Tunes did NOT use).--the more "cartoonish ones"--and appranelt Shaindlin themes were NEVER used (almost enevr) in the WB shorts due to a music strike but most WERE used in GUMBY,at least. I think some also turned up in BEANY AND CECIL..though anonymously (while MAYBE like Raymond Scott,who never saw a cartoon and whsoe music would be just at home in old schooll HB as in WB, maybe Jack Shaindllin never intended for his compositions to be in carotons, but a lot of thsoe really sound like they WERE custom made for 1957-1959 HB shows.)

And of course many live action shows wuld use them,espeically Desilu (AFTDER Lucy), Universal, pre-1966 Hanna-Barbera parent company--Screen Gems-Columbia, and othrs.Heck, they evne turned up in teleivison and raido comemricalsl--in fatc as Earl kress said in the booklet to the HANNA BARBERA PIC a NIC BASKET set--Seely's stock musc was avaible to anyone who wanted to buy it. Must have been LOTS of copies of vylvi and tape borrowed and traded.:p

(Other compsoerrs, Dave CHudnow, Alexander Laszo,etc.were also involved)

Update: Max Saunders, Harry Lubin, Dennis Berry, Stuart Crombie [both these men partly writing under the "Frank Sterling" pseudonym', Nino Nardini, Conrad Leonard, Arthur H.Wilkinson, Darrell Claker [like aforementioned Clarence Wheeler, a Walt Lantz composer whose music wound up in the music services]. Roger Roger being a personal; favorite of mine now.

You can hear these at http://www.apmmusic.com (http://www.apmmusic.com/) (yes, legally, but for that reason just click on, you have to be an industry memeber--legal stuff, you know.)

BTW The Quick Draw traget "Q" was one of the best things about the opening graphics to that show.

AAAANND DON'TTT YOU FORGEDDIT!

j

[Brettfern]

I HAVE HEARD OF NO RELEASE DATE ON THIS!!It has not been announced yet.

[Howard Fein]

[QUOTE=JCorey3rd]tvshowsondvd.com is reporting that WHV guys mentioned that their upcoming DVDs will be Quickdraw McGraw and Wally Gator.

Accoring to what I've found out, there were 45 episodes of Quickdraw (with Augie Doggie & Doggie Daddy plus Snooper and Blabber) and 52 episodes of "Hanna-Barbera New Cartoon Series (with Wally, Lippy the Lion & Hardy Har Har, Touche Turtle and Dum Dum)

Who know how they'll bust up these titles or if they'll bit the bullet and give us all the episodes in one boxset. I prefer the all at once collection - who knows when they will put out part two of Huckleberry Hound."

It would be pretty hard for WB to put all 45 episodes in one set. There would have to be five double-sided disks with four or five half-hours on each side. There would have to be allowance for featurettes, lost footage, etc.

The Quick Draw trilogy was aired in first-run syndication thus:

1959-60: 26 episodes with MCMLIX copyright
1960-61: 13 episodes with MCMLX copyright
1961-62: 6 episodes with MCMLXI copyright, score by Hoyt Curtin and fancier title cards- curleques on the character logo, etc.

Any DVD release delinations would probably be similar to that of the recent Huck release. Volume I would be the first season; Volume 2 (if sales justify) the abbreviated second and third seasons. Huck's show followed a similar pattern of episodes distributed over season. After Yogi struck out on his own for the 1960-61 season, there were 13 new episodes starring him and the Meeces followed by nine new, Curtin-scored episodes of each series in 1960-61. Hokey's 22 (?) episodes played out over that stretch.

It wasn't until I bought the YOGI DVD that I discovered that the last 13 Capital-scored Yogi episodes aired simultaneously with the first 13 of 32 Snagglepuss and Yakky episodes- all of which, of course, were scored by Curtin. The last 17, Curtin-scored Yogi episodes (plus the half-hour birthday special) filled out the series and DVD. The Yogi series started right around the same time THE FLINTSTONES premiered in prime time. So it definitely was not a 'clean break' from Capital to Curtin scoring during production and release of the cartoons, but rather quite a bit of overlap.

The Wally episodes were only five minutes- as were those for supporting NEW CARTOON SHOW segments Lippy and Touche. All H-B TV shorts made prior to that were six or seven minutes. But it still would be hard to cram all 52 episodes of a series into one box set.

The Ant and Squirrel franchises each ran 26 half-hours on NBC Saturday AM: 20 in the first, 1965-66 season and six additional for 1966-67.

More complicated is the MAGILLA GORILLA show, which aired over parts of four seasons beginning with its midseason 1963-64 debut in syndication. Original supporting segment Richochet Rabbit defected that fall to the PETER POTAMUS SHOW. Howard Morris' salary dispute and subsequent departure from the studio in 1966 (when the last handful of new episodes were made for ABC's Saturday AM schedule) limited the number of shorts with characters voiced by him. As with Atom Ant, Don Messick replaced Morris as Mr. Peebles in the 1966 episodes.

This resulted in the six series airing as part of both franchises differing in their number of episodes: 31 Magillas, 27 Potamii, 24 each Mushmouse and Richochet, 23 each Breezely and Yippy/Yappy/Yahooey. So DVD release would be tricky, to say the least.

Now that WB has released WACKY RACES and its spinoffs, I'd love to see contemporary classic CATTANOOGA CATS. Seventeen hours can't be that hard to package.

[JCorey3rd]

we're talking about 16 hours of Quickdraw whick can fit on 4 flippers without much fuss - they put 14 hours on the second season of The Flintstones.

The mix of Magilla and Peter Potamus can be just organized into some sort of mix. If a series didn't have any real intro or bumpers, does it matter how they are put together? Long as they don't repeat, folks are going to be happy to have the episodes.