View Full Version : Orlando Jordan Attacks Fan at Show (Bangor, ME)
New Noise
12-13-2005, 06:43 PM
Orlando Jordan attacked a fan last night on his way to the ring at the Smackdown show in Bangor. Apparently, the fan made some kind of racial slur and Jordan saw red and slapped the guy.
Credit: Impact
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Orlando is in a buisness where certain guys, like himself, are marketed to the fans as evil, and be subject to boos, you suck chants, etc. This is no different, at all. It's unprofessional, stupid, and to be completely honest, made me lose all respect for Orlando.
Racial slur or not, you should...scratch that...you HAVE TO be able to conduct yourself in a professional enough manner where you don't go and strike an innocent fan over something they say. It's all his fault, he should be fined.
Hell, i'd fire him for it if it was a TV taping. It makes the whole company look bad. What if the guy sues now? What's going to be OJ's defense, because he called him a ******? It's just not good enough.
I'm sorry, but in Orlando's position, you can't justify an action like that.
NinjaJack
12-13-2005, 07:03 PM
It`s a black thing, trust me I know.
Zero Signal
12-13-2005, 07:22 PM
Classic. Alot of fans just go to shows to see what they can get away with, and it's always funny to see a wrestler call them on it. Like awhile back when a fan poured beer on Eddie Guerrero and Eddie beat him down.
I have to admit, from the title of the thread I thought maybe Orlando layed a beating on Stephen King.
New Noise
12-13-2005, 08:07 PM
It`s a black thing, trust me I know.
Well... obviously...
The Penguin
12-13-2005, 08:34 PM
I thought it was going to be one of those non-news things where OJ attack someone that jumped into the ring.
I honestly don't know that I fault Orlando for this. Unprofessional sure, but that level of provocation it's easy to see the other side.
Tapout
12-13-2005, 09:19 PM
If a fan is stupid enough to jump over the barricade, then he's fair game and I hope the nearest wrestler and/or security guy puts a massive beatdown on him. But you can't go into the crowd and attack people for any reason. Obviously this isn't nearly on a large of a scale as the infamous NBA brawl last November, but it's the same type of thing. Performers cannot go after audience members. Let security handle that sort of thing.
Sigma
12-13-2005, 10:27 PM
Classic. Alot of fans just go to shows to see what they can get away with, and it's always funny to see a wrestler call them on it. Like awhile back when a fan poured beer on Eddie Guerrero and Eddie beat him down.
I have to admit, from the title of the thread I thought maybe Orlando layed a beating on Stephen King. That's a little differnt with Eddie because his alcohol problems were pretty well known and to do that to him was a slap in the face.
MGFanJay
12-14-2005, 11:53 AM
If it was a racial slur, then it was as good as a slap in the face, and Jordan's response seems justified.
tb4000
12-14-2005, 12:01 PM
If it was a racial slur, then it was as good as a slap in the face, and Jordan's response seems justified. Exactly. People say they're just words, but they're pretty aware of how much power they have if they know that they can push someone's buttons with them. Hell, I'm black, and while it would take a LOT to get me to physically attack someone, constant racial slurs would more than likely do it. It might be the lowest common denominator, but I bet they won't say it anymore.
Damien
12-14-2005, 12:02 PM
Yeah, let's slap around everyone who uses a racial slur on us while we're on the job. Let servers smack rude customers. Let field reporters give a slap to obnoxious bystanders. Come on now.....
tb4000
12-14-2005, 12:03 PM
Yeah, let's slap around everyone who uses a racial slur on us while we're on the job. Let servers smack rude customers. Let field reporters give a slap to obnoxious bystanders. Come on now.....
Has anyone ever called you a racial slur? At all?
Patrick Bateman
12-14-2005, 01:23 PM
Has anyone ever called you a racial slur? At all? I've been called a cracker on definately more than one occasion, and I didn't *****slap them for saying it. And in my case it would have been more justified than Orlando's because I wasn't working.
He's in a business where it's his JOB to make people loathe and hate him. The fan was trashing Orlando Jordan the CHARACTER, not Orlando Jordan the real man.
Also, I'm sick of racial slurrs being considered some kind of taboo. In my opinion, it isn't any worse than calling an obese person a "fatass" or something. So here's a question - had it been a fan shouting "fatass" at Viscera, and Viscera smacked him, would you claim it was justified or think Vis crossed the line? Just curious.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the fan's usage of the word. But I'm also not going to defend Orlando for striking the guy when he could have just shouted something back at him (which is perfectly acceptable in WWE) and moved on about his way.
VCXZX
12-14-2005, 01:42 PM
I don't see anything else coming from this, like suspension/firings. A lot of wrestlers attack fans primarily for self-defense. I remember Eddie doing that when that fan charged the ring during that ladder match.
So I think this will be forgotten very soon.
PTurkey
12-14-2005, 02:49 PM
Fans saying nasty things? Reminds me of a guy a guy I know knows. He got Charlie Haas' attention while he was on his way to the ring. When Charlie looked at him, guy says "Your brother's dead." Charlie got really pissed off, but not enough to smack the guy. I wouldn't have blamed Charlie if he did, though. That was cold.
He's in a business where it's his JOB to make people loathe and hate him. The fan was trashing Orlando Jordan the CHARACTER, not Orlando Jordan the real man.Not necessarily. I wouldn't be surprised if the fan just didn't like black people. Maine is one of the whiter states in America, so maybe the guy has some fear-of-other-races in him. I'd actually give Orlando the benifit of the doubt more than fan, 'cause racism's not cool, especially not the N-word considering the history it has. Slapping another man while at work ain't cool either, but it's cooler than racism.
Unless the guy only said it to be like Vince McMahon. Then he definately deserves to be smacked.
I haven't seen anything about this on the Observer, Rajah or the Torch, so I'm guessing that this isn't major enough for WWE to do anything about it.
Damien
12-14-2005, 03:44 PM
Has anyone ever called you a racial slur? At all?Actually, yeah, and things worse.
I'm sorry, was there anything else?
The point is that even if I hadn't been, it doesn't change the fact that he was on the job, and that being on the job means maintaining a certain level of professionalism. Slapping the guy probably didn't do much to change the fan's misguided views, either.
SirLemming
12-14-2005, 03:52 PM
He shouldn't have done it, but I think there should be some level of mercy instituted here since all he did was slap the guy. A wrestler slap, yes, but by "the rules of the street" it's already over...
Unfortunately, with our rigid and unbelievably complicated legal system, this is sure to become a huge issue.
I would have done the same thing, i bet you all the money in the world this fan wouldnt have ever said that if he knew he was gonna get ***** slapped.
Dont open a check your *** can't cash.
Robin2099
12-14-2005, 05:59 PM
Well I don't condone racial slurs in any way shape or form but Orlando Jordan was unprofessional to do it. Yes, at wrestling shows there are a lot of fans who are just ****heads, but that reason in and of itself doesn't give you reasons to attack them, and I gaurantee you that other wrestlers have been called worse, yet they didn't put a beating on any fans. Just move on and don't waste your time.
Yeah, let's slap around everyone who uses a racial slur on us while we're on the job. Let servers smack rude customers. Let field reporters give a slap to obnoxious bystanders. Come on now.....
I fail to see the problem with any of these.
MegaJ
12-14-2005, 09:47 PM
Also, I'm sick of racial slurrs being considered some kind of taboo. In my opinion, it isn't any worse than calling an obese person a "fatass" or something. So here's a question - had it been a fan shouting "fatass" at Viscera, and Viscera smacked him, would you claim it was justified or think Vis crossed the line? Just curious.
"Fatass" is not even in the same league as ****** or cracker. Racial slurs are taboo, and will continue to be until things better.
Patrick Bateman
12-14-2005, 10:18 PM
"Fatass" is not even in the same league as ****** or cracker. Racial slurs are taboo, and will continue to be until things better. Why is it not as offensive? It's belittling someone for their involuntary physical appearance. Orlando had NO right to hit that fan. None. Had he said it to him before or after the show, in the parking lot or something, then you know what, non-issue. But he was on the job and playing a character, a HEEL, at that point. You have to let people trash you as badly as they want, it's your JOB.
MegaJ
12-14-2005, 10:51 PM
Why is it not as offensive? It's belittling someone for their involuntary physical appearance."Fatass" does not have the same history, or carry the same weight as ****** or cracker does. What Orlando did was over the line, but I would've done the exact same thing. It doesn't make it right, but I can sympathize with him.
"Fatass" does not have the same history, or carry the same weight as ****** or cracker does.
That's not really fair, just because fat people would be terrible slaves doesn't mean that calling them out on it is any more acceptable.
MegaJ
12-14-2005, 11:18 PM
Good one.
Patrick Bateman
12-15-2005, 01:41 AM
How many times must I say I am NOT approving of the fan's usage of the word, I'm simply disapproving of Orlando hitting him while on the frigging job.
Honestly, if he wanted to really insult Orlando, he could have just said the truth - "Hey Orlando, you're a worthless piece of **** who couldn't draw ants to a picnic, let alone fans to an arena."
How many times must I say I am NOT approving of the fan's usage of the word, I'm simply disapproving of Orlando hitting him while on the frigging job.
Honestly, if he wanted to really insult Orlando, he could have just said the truth - "Hey Orlando, you're a worthless piece of **** who couldn't draw ants to a picnic, let alone fans to an arena."
Let anyone call me a racial name at my job i will knock the crap outta you,what you think its ok to call people racials slurs just because your at a job. Your simple taking up for the fan because from that picnic comment you dont like orlando.
being at work doesnt give moron a excuse to bash you. I'd beat the person ass and get anoother job.
Patrick Bateman
12-15-2005, 04:31 PM
Let anyone call me a racial name at my job i will knock the crap outta you,what you think its ok to call people racials slurs just because your at a job. Your simple taking up for the fan because from that picnic comment you dont like orlando.
being at work doesnt give moron a excuse to bash you. I'd beat the person ass and get anoother job. I already said I wasn't taking up for the fan. And no, I don't like Orlando, because he's greener than hell in the ring. He sucks just as hard as Chris Masters.
And you say "work" like it's just an ordinary job. Orlando Jordan is a professional wrestler. A career in which you play a character, and are accosted by fans if they don't like said character. Look a few posts above. Someone actually made a comment about Charlie Haas' brother Russ, who had passed away. And Charlie, knowing that he was working and that the crowd will say pretty much anything, did NOT strike this fan. Now in my opinion, making crude comments about someone's dead brother is far more offensive than a racial slur.
I'm so incredibly tired of people acting like this is still the 1950's. Opression doesn't exist as much as people like to throw fits about. Just look at WWE - they're giving a massive push to a man who honestly is about as unseasoned as Bill Goldberg in Bobby Lashley. Oh wait, Bobby is black. Shelton Benjamin held the Intercontinental title for 8 straight months and was giving victories over Triple H three weeks in a row. Oh look, Shelton is black.
Put your fighting gloves down and look at this logically. Orlando Jordan physically assaulted a member of the crowd for calling him a racial slur, not before the show or after it, but during it. He put the WWE in a spot where they could face a lawsuit, and himself as well. Vile words deserve vile words back. Jordan should have shouted something derrogatory back at him and went about his way. Instead he struck him.
And you made a comment about how you'd "beat his ass and find another job" insinuating that you think it's a termination offense to strike someone while on the job. It's jackass opinions like that which cause riots, wars, and murders. Then the defense for killing the guy was "He was verbally abusing me so I bullet riddled him".
On a sidenote, I doubt Orlando is fired over this ordeal. So tell me, is he actually being treated unfairly?
I already said I wasn't taking up for the fan. And no, I don't like Orlando, because he's greener than hell in the ring. He sucks just as hard as Chris Masters.
And you say "work" like it's just an ordinary job. Orlando Jordan is a professional wrestler. A career in which you play a character, and are accosted by fans if they don't like said character. Look a few posts above. Someone actually made a comment about Charlie Haas' brother Russ, who had passed away. And Charlie, knowing that he was working and that the crowd will say pretty much anything, did NOT strike this fan. Now in my opinion, making crude comments about someone's dead brother is far more offensive than a racial slur.
I'm so incredibly tired of people acting like this is still the 1950's. Opression doesn't exist as much as people like to throw fits about. Just look at WWE - they're giving a massive push to a man who honestly is about as unseasoned as Bill Goldberg in Bobby Lashley. Oh wait, Bobby is black. Shelton Benjamin held the Intercontinental title for 8 straight months and was giving victories over Triple H three weeks in a row. Oh look, Shelton is black.
Put your fighting gloves down and look at this logically. Orlando Jordan physically assaulted a member of the crowd for calling him a racial slur, not before the show or after it, but during it. He put the WWE in a spot where they could face a lawsuit, and himself as well. Vile words deserve vile words back. Jordan should have shouted something derrogatory back at him and went about his way. Instead he struck him.
And you made a comment about how you'd "beat his ass and find another job" insinuating that you think it's a termination offense to strike someone while on the job. It's jackass opinions like that which cause riots, wars, and murders. Then the defense for killing the guy was "He was verbally abusing me so I bullet riddled him".
On a sidenote, I doubt Orlando is fired over this ordeal. So tell me, is he actually being treated unfairly?
Who said anything about opression bobby lashley or benjamin they have nothing to do what we are talking about. we all know the whole about hhh jobbing to shelton which has nothing to do with this.
If he put the wwe in a spot why are you overreacting more then them tell me?
No offense man and i dont know you but you sound like the kinda guy who likes to talk alot of **** towards people but look for someone to protect you.
Failure
12-15-2005, 06:00 PM
Let me just say for the record, if you're not a minority, you're never going to understand why a racial slur is so incendiary. Never. And you can consider that a cop-out statement if you want, but it's true. There's nothing rational about it. But it's true.
Anyway, I'm closing this thread down, because we're all getting close to crossing "that" line.
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