C&C - Anything Else/Cards [12/9 – 12/16]

[Tienshin]

REPORTING FOR DUTY! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/Tienshin/emot-patriot.gif

[Delthayre]

Congradulations, you have now lost the election to be teh president.

[Tienshin]

Congradulations, you have now lost the election to be teh president.

Well now that's just lower'n a southern metaphor, I tell you what.

[Duke]

Well, there's always next year.

[BigLouMan20]

Crud how much material did Fox remove on American Dad.:sad: Half of this stuff I don't remember seeing on Fox like the cavity scene.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

anime acquistions for 2006
fire drill!!
sorry false alarm

good one guys :p

[Youko Recca]

That makes me think, what exactly are the avaliable anime they could pick up now anyway? My mind's dry and I can't think of anything. More reason for Ergo Proxy not to suck or be average.

[Beat]

That makes me think, what exactly are the avaliable anime they could pick up now anyway? My mind's dry and I can't think of anything. More reason for Ergo Proxy not to suck or be average.
Samurai 7 and Gantsukousku.

Maybe they'll just skip acquiring anime this year.

[livingfruitvirus]

That makes me think, what exactly are the avaliable anime they could pick up now anyway? My mind's dry and I can't think of anything. More reason for Ergo Proxy not to suck or be average. It's been a slow season. No doubt due to the piquing DVD boom, saturated anime market, and Japan still jacking up license fees.


Samurai 7 and Gantsukousku.
Geneon said at AWA that AS passed on Gankutsuou. And I'm glad they did. Who thought coloring animation with bitmap images was a good idea?

And why buy Samurai 7 when we have its superior alternative?

[shoujoaifan]

I think the reason some people found Jasmine's voice annoying last week was because the VA was going for a higher pitched voice when it was called for Jasmine to be upset. I missed most of the commercial for the new episode next week, but from what I did hear, both singing and just talking, she could pull off a wonderful voice. Jasmine should be alot more likable next week.

[Beat]

And why buy Samurai 7 when we have its superior alternative?
Which is? Please don't say Boondocks or Perfect Hair Forever.

Yeah, it's a relatively slow season for the big door buster anime, at least in the States. Till then, not sure if AS will want anything.

[Fatneck]

Which is? Please don't say Boondocks or Perfect Hair Forever.
I'm taking a shot in the dark here, but I'm thinking he's talking about another certain Samurai show that's on the block.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

Till then, not sure if AS will want anything.

time for AS to fund Outlaw Star 2, Trigun 2, and Scryed 2 :anime:

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Maybe Samurai x Gun?

Never seen it so I wouldn't know if it's good or not.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

time for AS to fund Outlaw Star 2, Trigun 2, and Scryed 2 :anime:
The first two yes s-CRY-ed doesn't deserve a sequel unless it's significantly better.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

happy ratings day


Sunday, December 4th

Boondocks - 759,000
F-Guy - 686,000
Chicken - 653,000

always good to see Stroker fail :)


Up - none
Down - Boondocks, F-Guy, Chicken

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I swear I must be the only person around here that enjoys Stroker & Hoop.

[Tienshin]

I swear I must be the only person around here that enjoys Stroker & Hoop.


Nope. I think it is solidly underrated around these parts. It's a great show from my POV.

[William C. Maune]

Maybe Samurai x Gun?

I assume you mean Samurai Gun. It's ok (I can't say too much since I've only seen the first disc), but it seemed to have explicit content for the sake of having explicit content. It does have some nice action though and it looked like it had a story that could go places.

As for what AS could pick up, that question also crossed my mind recently and I haven't been able to come up with much. There just isn't much selection right now. Samurai 7 isn't half bad, but I'm not sure they'd want to go right to another samurai series. ADV's Ghost Stories dub might be interesting, if only for lack of anything better to acquire. There just isn't anything on the level of FMA, GitS or Champloo available right now, at least not that I can think of.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

Saturday, December 3rd

Boondocks - 391,000
GitS - 344,000
FMA - 310,000

I can guess why theres no Champloo :shrug:


Up - GitS
Down - Boondocks
New - FMA

[William C. Maune]

If Boondocks can't to 400,000 on Saturday, I'm not sure it matters what they put on Saturday. At least GitS seems to be getting boost from its Boondocks lead-in.

[Humble]

Well, at least GitS is getting okay ratings. :shrug:

-Humble

[Beat]

Abandoning Saturday to reruns seems like a better and better idea in retrospect, now that it's become abundantly clear that the night cannot generate any sort of consistent ratings no matter what is on.

[Scirel]

I don't think It really matters what is on saturday, even with boondocks 500,000 seems to be above average for that night.

[William C. Maune]

Abandoning Saturday to reruns seems like a better and better idea in retrospect, now that it's become abundantly clear that the night cannot generate any sort of consistent ratings no matter what is on.

I'd much rather have action on Saturday nights than reruns though.

[TnAdct1]

That makes me think, what exactly are the avaliable anime they could pick up now anyway? My mind's dry and I can't think of anything. More reason for Ergo Proxy not to suck or be average. Is Mai-Hime more of a Toonami show or an Adult Swim show?

[Lachesis]

Geneon said at AWA that AS passed on Gankutsuou. And I'm glad they did. Who thought coloring animation with bitmap images was a good idea?

And why buy Samurai 7 when we have its superior alternative?

Gankutsuou's fine, but it doesn't have much action. Samurai 7... is pretty lousy.

We've gone through the potential acquisitions before: Planetes, Monster, Peacemaker Kurogane, Requiem from the Darkness, Mai Hime... Nothing really standout here though.

I think some of the trouble comes from a lot of the really popular titles lately being really, really frickin' violent: Gantz, Elfen Lied, Gunslinger Girl, etc.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Yeah this con season has been pretty lame...

They probably should look at slightly older stuff from maybe a year or 2 earlier. Or ya know... just show reruns.

GitS beat FMA. Well good for GitS because it's so awesome right now but I wonder how bad it would be doing if it was before Boondocks like Champloo.

Maybe they should keep FMA first and put Boondocks and GitS after that and not bother with moving Stroker & Hoop (which BTW is a terrible idea for an already not excellently rated show).

[William C. Maune]

Maybe they should keep FMA first and put Boondocks and GitS after that and not bother with moving Stroker & Hoop (which BTW is a terrible idea for an already not excellently rated show).

Since Boondocks seems to be giving GitS a boost, leading off with Boondocks seems to be a pretty good idea. I don't really mind Boondocks on Saturday either; it fits in pretty well actually. I can't say I have the data the network has, but in my ideal world I'd like to see Boondocks/Champloo/FMA/GitS. Champloo just seems to be a good lead out to me considering Mcgruder's love of the show.

[Beat]

True, many a show is beyond Adult Swim's content barriers. Do you think they would have bothered with Paranoia Agent if they could have aired Gantz instead?

They'll surprise us. Always do.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Is Mai-Hime more of a Toonami show or an Adult Swim show?
Lesbiansim alone will keep it off Toonami. And no it's not like Orohime's friend on Bleach it's quite a bit more obvious and there's a girl x girl kiss towards the end. Mai-HiME was a great show up to the end IMO but the end was kinda... a drag. It'd be a decent filler. Better than plenty of shows.

And yeah the really popular stuff is too violent though I think they could air Gunslinger Girl now and that'd be awesome but probably wouldn't bring in ratings.

Let's note something though... Inuyasha and FMA are the two supposedly most successful anime on AS besides long time favs Trigun and Bebop so its seems likely they need another shonen to keep those audiences. At the same time AS shouldn't air shonen... Black Cat could walk the line enough but post episode 8 it wussed out a bit...

[William C. Maune]

They'll surprise us. Always do.

That's definitely true. Both CN and AS' action departments have a tendency of pulling out stuff we'd never expect, or that we've never even heard of. And a lot of times those end up being some of the better, or at least more interesting, acquisitions.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

And very often CN annouces something that the public wasn't even aware was licensed yet.

[William C. Maune]

And very often CN annouces something that the public wasn't even aware was licensed yet.

Or that never was licensed. (I'm still wondering how Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo happened, did CN cut out the middle man?)

[Anime Freak]

What about Scrapped Princess? seems perfect for the block :)

[Tienshin]

What about Scrapped Princess? seems perfect for the block :)

Really? It seems more in between, and Toonami is more than capable of handling that series were it to air on CN.

Edit: I have only seen the first 10 eps or so but based on that, it doesn't strike me as Adult Swim property material.

[Artimus Gigan]

Scrapped Princess would definetly be Toonami Material, it's no more as serious as IGPX.


However if anything I'd like AS to pick up Voices of a Distant Star or Place Promised in Our Early Days for movies. I think they could get thru with Gunslinger Girl, I personaly liked the series, but there's always the chance that he audaince may deflect it because it's little girls as the main characters. However I would think that Godannar would do well on AS, then again it's the only new mecha title that has kept my intrest....things like Fafner can go to anime hell, WHERE THEY BELONG! I mean there's a whole lotta bland like Mars Daybreak and such, there really isn't anything that keeps you anticipating the next DVD volume release.

[Jmanunknown]

I would love to see Gungrave, Last Exile, and R.O.D. The Tv series on AS but, G4 owns the rights to all three series. I think AS will probably pick up Blood+ this year when it gets licensed and maybe Samurai Gun or Gunslinger Girl.

[Zyzzybalubah]

I agree with some of the posters that Saturdays should just be reruns' night (seriously, it's never got that great of ratings and AS's promotion has always been rather weak for it, for the majority of the time that is.) Hopefully the anime ratings will improve when moved to weeknights and hey at least they're keeping it....

As for Anime (or action) suggestions, I don't have many but I can try to help:

1. Rurouni Kenshin Uncut: Like Sketch said, shonens tend to do well on AS (at times), when it was on Toonami the ratings were coming from the "wrong audience", and it's an enjoyable show for most part. I know it won't happen, but it's a suggestion and I wouldn't mind either way. If not the series, how about the movies and/or OVAs?

2. More Lupin. Like I said previously, if you're going to keep that show on for that long even despite it's "bad" ratings, why don't you pick up at least 26 more episodes? Movies are an option too.

3. Bug ADV for some more titles, even classic ones. You know they have to have something....

4. Ninja Scroll the Series: Could work? :)

5. American Action Originals: If you're going to be on a greenlighting series crazy, why not try one action title? Spike TV is getting an original anime (Afro Samurai), Nickelodeon has been having success with Avatar, IGPX on Toonami... nevermind that example. :sweat: Seriously, be risk-takers and try one action series out of the multiple comedies acquired/renewed. 13 episodes: If it's a hit pick up more, if it bombs, cancel it. That simple. And if you need someone with some ideas..... look no further than myself. :)

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Kenshin's ratings came from 12-17 mostly not 18-34. When Toonami refocused to 9-14 Kenshin was doing great but they decided not to renew it (probably because Naruto cost them a ton).

[Beat]

Godannar's too light (I personally love it, even if it can't stand up to GaoGaiGar), Ninja Scroll's got too much content, and everything else is too old.

If the Megas XLR people were with Williams Street, they'd probably air the Macross redub.

[Dr Crocodile]

Of possible anime aquisitons AS could make that I can think of right now and that we know haven't already been turned down, the below seem the most likely:

Probably:

Basilisk (Kind of like Ninja Scroll but less grotesque. Kind of like Romeo and Juliet but with ninja's, political intrigue, etc. People drop like flies in this show and overall it has a very adult feel to it. The probably the best of FUNI's recent aquisitions)

Ergo Proxy (Hasn't aired yet but looks like a really neat sci-fi show from the makers of WHR and Samurai Champloo. Hopefully it won't be super slow moving like WHR)

Gun x Sword (A bit slow to get going but a great action show that will likely appeal to fans of Outlaw Star, Trigun, Samurai Champloo and Scryed without feeling like a total retread)

Hellsing OVA (Likely not this year since this will be a multi-year project bu eventually)

Karas (Absolutely, if slightly confusing, amazing OVA to be released by Manga. A modern world take on Japanese folkore with tons of Sentai-espe fights. Breathtakingly beautiful. Only 6 episodes to so it won't be hard to fit.)


Maybe:

Speed Grapher + Trinity Blood (I don't particualarly like either show but there's stuff in there that would probably appeal to many and we know FUNI + AS have a good relationship)

Eureka 7 (Kind of a Gundam meets Rahxephon/Eva. I want to say this show should go to Toonami and it likely will if CN picks it up but you've got things like episode 20 with the main protaginist, a teenager, doing some "not very nice things" to put it VERY gently that would lose considerable impact if edited. I know Bandai will be pushing this pretty hard so if Toonami doesn't work out....)

[Artimus Gigan]

I dunno, Gun X Sword more or less rubbed me as "been there done that". It's like a big bowl of re-heated maccaroni and cheese, only it's like the kind at KFC...it clumps together and forms a sticky gooey blob that doesn't go anywhere.

[Duke]

Eureka 7 (Kind of a Gundam meets Rahxephon/Eva. I want to say this show should go to Toonami and it likely will if CN picks it up but you've got things like episode 20 with the main protaginist, a teenager, doing some "not very nice things" to put it VERY gently that would lose considerable impact if edited. I know Bandai will be pushing this pretty hard so if Toonami doesn't work out....)Bandai wants Eureka 7 to be their Naruto, so there's no way it'll air on Adult Swim.

What about Kiddy Grade? I'm sure they could get some interesting promos out of that. :P

Are Avenger and Planetes options?

[Zyzzybalubah]

I got one idea but many people may argue otherwise...

Tenchi GXP and/or Tenchi Muyo Ryo-ohki. Those could go to Toonami, but we all remember Tenchi was once on Adult Swim and I think it would great on there if editted on an Adult Swim level. According to a FUNI rep I talked to at Anime Central, they claimed no one picked up GXP because "there was a lot to edit out." Not sure how correct that is, but then again I've never seen it.

[Duke]

Tenchi GXP and/or Tenchi Muyo Ryo-ohki. Those could go to Toonami, but we all remember Tenchi was once on Adult Swim and I think it would great on there if editted on an Adult Swim level. According to a FUNI rep I talked to at Anime Central, they claimed no one picked up GXP because "there was a lot to edit out." Not sure how correct that is, but then again I've never seen it.GXP is a lot raunchier than any of the other Muyo series. It's not quite as raunchy as Excel Saga (especially episode 26), but it's close.

[shoujoaifan]

Damn, I was surprised to see "Saddle Rash" on last night, and damn, it it wasn't as good as it was years ago.

I don't know how it would've made it as a series if WS had decided differently, seeing as the main plot was about a gunfighter with no arms (who was a great character). If it was soley based off him, the joke could get old. Hell, maybe that's why they turned it down (ALTHOUGH the one-note joke that is "Minoriteam" died halfway through, and it got a season.)

But they could've focused on a revolving cast, like some of those old western shows, and the ones from the pilot could've been recurring characters. The old man was hilarious as the narrator. "Slim" was great, the gun thing didn't really play out for him (but was funny!), and was a great tough guy with a hell of a dry wit. Every scene with Hannah was perfect, such a great tough cowgirl while being oh-so-cute, tending to "Slim" with some tough love.

Some of My Favorite Lines:

(Hannah punches Slim)
Slim: What are you doing?
Hannah (punches him again): I'm trying to punch you out so you won't get killed (punches him again)
Slim: Stop that. (Gets punched again) Stop that.

(Hannah Tackles Slim): Uh, you forgot your gloves.
Slim: My gloves.
Hannah: Uh yeah.
Slim: Could you describe these gloves to me?

[The Collector]

I don't know why AS is wondering where Champloo is in the ratings, it's never been a solid top 3 even when it's the second show to air. The obvious reason for this is that it stinks. They should put it at the end of the premiers where it wouldn't drive viewers off. At this point, I'd rather watch GitS, and all the techno-babble in the first half of that show nearly puts me to sleep, and yet I still find it more interesting than Champloo.

The ratings for FMA are what confuse me. This is the show that was breaking records for anime last year, but it has yet to re-establish itself for some reason. It's only getting better but the ratings are getting worse, or at the very least, staying low. I don't understand that.

[livingfruitvirus]

I don't know why AS is wondering where Champloo is in the ratings, it's never been a solid top 3 even when it's the second show to air.
Where were you the first season? It was constantly in the top 3 for Saturday. And to date holds the record for strongest anime debut (606,000).


The ratings for FMA are what confuse me. This is the show that was breaking records for anime last year, but it has yet to re-establish itself for some reason. It's only getting better but the ratings are getting worse, or at the very least, staying low. I don't understand that.
All I can say is :shrug:

[Humble]

Other than the lack of a comedy lead in, the low ratings are probably a product of monthly schedule changes and the lack of advertising.

I can't remember the last time I saw a FMA commercial. :shrug:

-Humble

[Rurouni Kenshin]

FMA may not be doing great in terms of Saturday night ratings, but it must be doing pretty well on weekdays to stay on for almost 8 straight months.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Well... I don't know about that. It stayed at 1AM a very long time however that's still 1AM and since Inuyasha and FMA were the top rated anime Adult Swim had it's no surprise they were the top two slots for anime on weekdays. However neither of them come even close to what Futurama and Family Guy can pull in on weekdays... or even Aqua Teens. Still this Home Movies, s-CRY-ed and Lupin move to weekdays is ratings suicide which I doubt will last more than a month so FMA should be back on weekdays soon enough. But what I'm saying here is... you don't need to be a mega hit to keep a 1AM slot you just have to not bomb like Case Closed did.

But we must not forget that in season 1 FMA had some great ratings on Saturday night.

[Anime Freak]

Well... I don't know about that. It stayed at 1AM a very long time however that's still 1AM and since Inuyasha and FMA were the top rated anime Adult Swim had it's no surprise they were the top two slots for anime on weekdays. However neither of them come even close to what Futurama and Family Guy can pull in on weekdays... or even Aqua Teens. Still this Home Movies, s-CRY-ed and Lupin move to weekdays is ratings suicide which I doubt will last more than a month so FMA should be back on weekdays soon enough. But what I'm saying here is... you don't need to be a mega hit to keep a 1AM slot you just have to not bomb like Case Closed did.

But we must not forget that in season 1 FMA had some great ratings on Saturday night.
So if Lupin is such a ratings suicide....I can only wonder why AS renewed its license as surely its license ran out before Trigun and it's still around :shrug:

[Duke]

So if Lupin is such a ratings suicide....I can only wonder why AS renewed its license as surely its license ran out before Trigun and it's still around :shrug:Because the AS crew really, really like Lupin.

And Lupin's ratings weren't bad, they were just average and nowhere near FMA or IY.

[The Collector]

Originally Posted by Livingfruitvirus

Where were you the first season? It was constantly in the top 3 for Saturday. And to date holds the record for strongest anime debut (606,000).And where has it been since that debut? It got those numbers due to a great deal of promotion and hype, but after people saw it, the numbers fell hard. I'll grant you that it was in the top 3 most of the time, but I only remember it getting the 2 spot(the spot it should have carried the majority of the time) 2 or 3 times. That's nothing to be proud of.

[livingfruitvirus]

Anyone else able to count how many times the animators have drawn a hand with an extra finger in this Stroker and Hoop episode?

[beren]

god please hellsing. :)

The question will be its content however, I don't think what was showed on encore action could be shown on AS currently, although its style, tone and content are a perfect match. The problem is the decapitations, murders, rapes, maiming and the blood, ohh there is so much blood =). Also morel orel got ma for saying the word jesus over and over. I bet the oav takes it to a whole new level, boy I can't wait.

Outlaw star 2 hell yea, I think they already made a spin off, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Links but why not make a batch of 52, the show had good vibe that I like, will keep me from going into firefly relapse.

[Daffy Dork]

During TgttM last night, even thought I've seen the ep. many times, I was in STITCHES. I was ROTFL'ing throughout the whole thing and laughed myself to sleep.

[Scirel]

If Death Note is ever made into an anime, it would fit ASA pretty well. It reminds me of Paranoia Agent a great deal, if PA was from Little Slugger's perspective. ^_^;;

[Artimus Gigan]

If anything, I'd want Otogi Zoshi on AS



or Twelve Kingdoms....I mean AS did air the Esca movie

[Don_East]

Was anyone watching ATHF a few minutes ago?

They completely edut out "******ty elves" with "sweet little elves".

[brianycpht]

Why does AS have episode 6 of PHF listed this week? Isn't it supposed to be a continuing story?

[Master Moron]

The ratings for FMA are what confuse me. This is the show that was breaking records for anime last year, but it has yet to re-establish itself for some reason. It's only getting better but the ratings are getting worse, or at the very least, staying low. I don't understand that.

Unfortunately, it would appear that people downloaded the fansubs after episode 26 because they were too impatient to wait for new episodes. More evidence that fansubs hurt the anime industry.

[Tienshin]

Ah Venture Bros. Christmas special. Now that's a Christmas episode that doesn't suck.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

Ah Venture Bros. Christmas special. Now that's a Christmas episode that doesn't suck.

yeah! I watched and taped it last night :anime: I wonder if the second season will get a new Christmas special or maybe some other holiday?

[Anime Freak]

Unfortunately, it would appear that people downloaded the fansubs after episode 26 because they were too impatient to wait for new episodes. More evidence that fansubs hurt the anime industry.
Sorry but that argument just doesn't work too well, Inuyasha's ratings were still strong when it came back and there's plenty of fansubs of it avaialbale

[Master Moron]

Sorry but that argument just doesn't work too well, Inuyasha's ratings were still strong when it came back and there's plenty of fansubs of it avaialbale

I'm not sure an average of 400,000 can really be considered strong.

[Chad Bonin]

I forgot how much of a hottie Hannah was.

... wouldn't mind getting Saddle Rash from... well, you get the innuendo about to be spouted like a powerful stream.

[William C. Maune]

Sorry but that argument just doesn't work too well, Inuyasha's ratings were still strong when it came back and there's plenty of fansubs of it avaialbale

Inu Yasha is a lot more re-runnable because it is less heavy on continuity. Sure, there is continuity, but you can basically pick up the story anywhere and get about the same thing: Inu Yasha and Kagome like each other, but won't admit it. Miroku grabs Sango's butt, Sango gets mad. Kilala and Shippo do cute things. They all battle Naraku. Repeat. Nothing really ever changes Ultimately, people generally watch Inu Yasha more because they like the formula than because of their concern for the ongoing storyline.

Full Metal Alchemist on the other hand has a very specific continuity with twists, turns, and permanent changes. Sure, it has repeat value, but it is never going to have the same impact after the first time. Full Metal Alchemist knows very well how to cut off an episode leaving you wanting more. However, that only works when you don't know what is going to happen next. There is no formula that people can enjoy wherever they jump into the series. Characters change, people die, the plot moves forward. There's a big incentive to watch the show all the way through, but once it has been seen there isn't as much incentive to keep the casual fans coming back.

[Mr. Manager]

I'm not sure an average of 400,000 can really be considered strong.It is for Saturday.

[David Lucas]

Full Metal Alchemist on the other hand has a very specific continuity with twists, turns, and permanent changes. Sure, it has repeat value, but it is never going to have the same impact after the first time. Full Metal Alchemist knows very well how to cut off an episode leaving you wanting more. However, that only works when you don't know what is going to happen next. There is no formula that people can enjoy wherever they jump into the series. Characters change, people die, the plot moves forward. There's a big incentive to watch the show all the way through, but once it has been seen there isn't as much incentive to keep the casual fans coming back.

Damn both you, and Moron. I feel like a tool now. I got too impatient after episode 15, let alone 6. I mean, I understand how fansubs do hurt the anime community, but you can't expect us to not go there when given the option.

24 , Lost, and FMA are the the greatest shows I've ever seen. Every episode leaves you wanting more. The highest compliment you can give a television show.

However, to string someone along with a fantastic plot, great acting, wonderful direction, good emotional music, twists and turns at every angle, and overall, just characters tossed into extraordinary situations that you can easily relate to, and then just stop in the middle of a season is a cruel thing to do.

It's wrong. I understand sometimes Sweeps gets in the way, or a new show you're going to start airing, or production on the rest of the season fell behind and you just need time to give us quality like they have. For 24 and Lost this hasn't been too bad of a thing, 24 was starting to get the treatment of "never knowing when the **** it's on" that many a fantastic show has met its end early because of, but what did they do after it started becoming too big of a problem?

They held off the season premiere by like 3-4 months, then aired it continuously in what they call the "non-stop season". So how well did that work out? Well 24 is taking up their entire prime time line up damn near for the next 2 days, and they're both new episodes.

Now for FMA, we got cut off right in the middle of a series. The rest was already made and easily EASILY available, even at some comic stores. It didn't even get cut off after 25, which I felt would have been a very touching season finale, and although leaving you wanting more, it leaves a simple tender moment in 'ya letting you feel satisfied at this show.

No, they decided to cut it off after 26, which introduces new main characters and starts a whole new arc. It's a very hard thing to stay shy of a show like that when that's the episode they leave you off on. If Lost or 24's entire season had been available on in the internet after they stopped airings halfway through the season......

.....well, we probably wouldn't have 24 or Lost.

We all know that, but we're weak. Why do you think I try so hard to stop jack-asses from giving out too many spoilers back when everyone was

OMG wait tIlL you See tyhat King Bradley is "Wrath"

Because in a show like this when you have no clue what's going to happen next, and someone else does, and posts the major plot twist that you have no idea about all you know is that it has one of the answers you're looking for, and all you have to do is hold your mouse button down and scroll over the wording to gain this knowledge?

IT'S HARD NOT TO DO! It's VERY VERY HARD. Even when I know I shouldn't, even when I tell myself I'll never do it, 3 days later I'll find it and read it. I know what happens in the first 10 minutes of 24 tomorrow because of that.

Do you know how mad I am about that? I want to shoot someone. But guess what? There's more spoilers available, and I still might read one or two more before tomorrow night.

I'm weak and dumb when it comes to great entertainment. I've been starving for it for so long. Everyone else in the world has gotten their Paris Hilton shows and reality BS, and sitcoms that would make the skin melt off a man's face! We finally get decent programming, we get GREAT programming!

To show an anime like FMA halfway, and stop where they did, KNOWING fansubs are easily available, they were kidding themselves. If they were us and we were them, they would have had Episode 51 playing the next day after ep 26.

If they weren't done dubbing, or they needed more time for rights, or whatever the hell the reason was, they should have waited to premiere it.

They didn't rush Boondocks. They even said they're not rushing Venture Bros.

With Samurai Champloo, taking it off the air where they left off proved the same as the afore mentioned Inuyasha debate. Champloo can be picked up at almost any place and still be somewhat enjoyed.

I try to catch every episode of FMA, simply because seeing the episodes finally dubbed into English feels fresh to me. But if something else comes up instead, I won't make time to watch it. I know what happens already.

But damn it, I try. I'm sorry adult swim, take my first born as penance.

[Master Moron]

I don't like bumping anything else threads, but I just saw David Lucas' response and I feel like I have to respond. You pretty much just described exactly why anime will never become really mainstream among adults. I mean, ABC can maximize Lost's ratings by airing new episodes during sweeps and by building up an audience by airing reruns for a while. But, with anime its practically impossible. I mean, hypothetically, lets say there was an anime that was as popular as Lost that aired on network television. The networks would never be able to sustain their ratings because people would just download episodes online. Sure, they could burn through all the episodes at once, but then they'd waste episodes during periods when ratings aren't that important. Normally, splitting up premieres is a good way to build up an audience, but unfortunately that doesn't really seem to work with anime. I wish there was a way to just stop people from downloading episodes of series that are being broadcast on TV, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem possible.

And let me just say one more thing. The suspense is part of the experience of watching TV. Part of watching Lost and 24 is the anticipation of the next episode. I think you're cheating yourself by watching it all at once.